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(NPR)   You're a new parent who's been sharing every precious moment in your darling snowflake's life through pictures on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Vine, and Pinterest, but how can you be sure each moment is *really* preserved for all of history?   (npr.org) divider line 79
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2013-07-31 12:38:29 PM
Plastic case on your piano?
 
2013-07-31 12:39:25 PM
Ask the NSA?
 
2013-07-31 12:39:44 PM
Easy. The NSA is doing it for you.

www.nsa.gov
 
2013-07-31 12:40:16 PM
I just aim my camera at the sky and hit zoom. The picture slingshots around the sun and I can recapture those moments.
 
2013-07-31 12:41:00 PM
Nobody cares about anything you post online, equally nobody cares about anything you do in real-life.
Act accordingly.
 
2013-07-31 12:41:05 PM
Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?
 
2013-07-31 12:43:02 PM

lostcat: Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?


Plus burned DVDs AND a portable hard drive in a safe deposit box at the bank?
 
2013-07-31 12:43:15 PM
Who gives a sh*t?
 
2013-07-31 12:44:06 PM
Stick your hard drive in brine?
 
2013-07-31 12:44:21 PM
Burn it all to DVDs. They will still be readable long after you are dead. You will still be able to find a working drive 30 years from now, but may have no interface with whatever is passing as a computer then...
 
2013-07-31 12:44:28 PM
Because I made sure that a picture of Anthony Weiner's penis is superimposed over the lower-right corner of every image.

Everyone knows that pictures of a politician's penis will never disappear from the internet.
 
2013-07-31 12:44:52 PM
Your great great grandchildren will have photographs of your ancestors but not you. You stored your pictures on digital media. You chose poorly...
 
2013-07-31 12:44:55 PM

but how can you be sure each moment is *really* preserved for all of history?


Formaldehyde?
 
2013-07-31 12:45:30 PM
i'm at the prime "friends having babies" age and i find this sharing frankly disturbing- and i don't mean that in the sense of "man, its so annoying to see baby stuff appearing on my facebook wall" (after all, filtering on most of these social networks is quick and simple.)

for me the disturbing element is that every single picture of these children's lives are now accessible to anyone forever. I enjoy the occasional review of the scrapbook when i was a baby, but i most definetly would not want every single picture in there to be accessible to every single person on the planet (let alone first day of school, every school play video, etc etc etc.)

I mean, its bad enough that people overshare so much on their own lives, but to completely take that choice away from their kids (who will themselves one day be adults) when we still aren't really clear on what long term social ramifications are going to play out with the advent of oversharing seems to me to be questionable parenting at best. And thats not even getting into the wierdo's who might get those pictures...
 
2013-07-31 12:45:46 PM
Luckily my ute is captured in Kodachrome.
 
2013-07-31 12:45:49 PM

Arkanaut: Stick your hard drive in brine?


Is it weird that I read your post and immediately thought of the stickitinherpooper.jpg?
 
2013-07-31 12:47:17 PM
Easy -- Twice a year, we gather up the best photos of our daughter and print up books for our family on Shutterfly. That way, even if the digital photos vanish forever, there are physical albums we can rely on.

As for the rest, our phones automatically back up everything we take on Google+ and Dropbox. It's easy to prune those later on if you need to for space. And that way, they're always saved.
 
2013-07-31 12:47:21 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: Plastic case on your piano?


came to say 'baby quinn' them.
 
2013-07-31 12:47:27 PM
This is pretty ret@rded. My pics and vids are all on my pc, in folders by year and month. My phone files sync to pc with synched app. Backup to removable hd once per month and bring off-site. What's the problem?
 
2013-07-31 12:47:29 PM
Basically, what I get from the article is that "pictures are for old people" and that "young people are going to use timelines on sites like Facebook to paint the picture of their life"

Hmm.. There's a thought.  Maybe someone should start a business that prints out your entire Facebook timeline and puts it in a professional "album" for posterity.

I'm sure someone's thought of that already though. And no, I haven't Googled to check.
 
2013-07-31 12:49:28 PM
Syncme wireless app. Not "synched app" or whatever Swype spell check typed. Grr
 
2013-07-31 12:50:57 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: Plastic case on your piano?


and we're done.

/came for this
//leaving happy
///cheesecake!!!!! nom nom nom

(why yes it is lunchtime)
 
2013-07-31 12:51:45 PM
share.pdfonline.com
 
2013-07-31 12:52:24 PM
Please let me know.

I've never been one for taking photographs. Cheap cameras and a lack of talent or interest in photography are the main reasons.

But my family has a ton of photographs and I spent some money and time scanning them during my vacation. I only managed to get through 500-600 photos.

Some of them are very nice and I would like them to survive for future generations, if anybody cares, so I made some copies on thumb drives for my siblings.

But preserving this stuff (archival materials and copies) could be a time-consuming and expensive job, so I am open to ideas.

Apparently my grandmother, while working for the local company, documented three or more mills (and the fires). I never knew. I think these photos might interest provincial or federal archives. There's lots of other stuff which I've never seen or which my grandmothers showed us as children.

I'd hate to have to give all this stuff away for free to genealogical corporations but the web is the obvious way to preserve things you want to last, although it is vulnerable in some ways (no security, privacy, no guarantee it won't crash and take down civilization with it, or be taken down by civilization crashing).

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Label your photographs when they are taken or soon thereafter. Explain who, what, when, and where, maybe even why or how.

They become almost useless without names and dates at least.
 
2013-07-31 12:54:05 PM
Carbonite.

That stuff lasts forever.
 
2013-07-31 12:54:08 PM
My old photographs are now all faded and crappy. My digital photos (which can be printed, in case you didn't figure that shiat out already) will never deteriorate and are backed up.

What's the big farking deal?
 
2013-07-31 12:56:24 PM

Dellirium: Burn it all to DVDs. They will still be readable long after you are dead. You will still be able to find a working drive 30 years from now, but may have no interface with whatever is passing as a computer then...


Are you being sarcastic? Cds and dvds don't last very long, at least most of the ones that individuals burn. 1/2 of mine are today after sitting in a drawer fir 10 years. I'll stick with multiple hard drives, revolving off site. That way, when technology changes, I just change with it and stay current. I'm the guy carrying the pelican case from my office to my car every night. All files fit my3 companies off site every night.
 
2013-07-31 12:56:49 PM
no its not preserved, fark off and if you havent called the NSA to protest recently you can go to hell
 
2013-07-31 12:59:43 PM
I became a Grandpa this year, and started using a flash drive to store all the pics after they started piling up.

/and I don't save them all
 
2013-07-31 01:00:49 PM
I share nothing.  When I die, my memories die with me.
 
2013-07-31 01:01:17 PM

tlchwi02: i'm at the prime "friends having babies" age and i find this sharing frankly disturbing- and i don't mean that in the sense of "man, its so annoying to see baby stuff appearing on my facebook wall" (after all, filtering on most of these social networks is quick and simple.)

for me the disturbing element is that every single picture of these children's lives are now accessible to anyone forever. I enjoy the occasional review of the scrapbook when i was a baby, but i most definetly would not want every single picture in there to be accessible to every single person on the planet (let alone first day of school, every school play video, etc etc etc.)

I mean, its bad enough that people overshare so much on their own lives, but to completely take that choice away from their kids (who will themselves one day be adults) when we still aren't really clear on what long term social ramifications are going to play out with the advent of oversharing seems to me to be questionable parenting at best. And thats not even getting into the wierdo's who might get those pictures...


Seconded.  When we had our baby a couple months ago, the first thing I told all my relations when they came to visit was "You can take as many pictures as you want, print them out, show them to friends in person or via email....  but I do NOT want ANY pictures showing up on Facebook, Instagram, MyPicInternetSpace, etc."

My sibling's friends were evidently all bummed, judging by their Facebook posts of "Why??!  We want to see the baby!!!"  Yeah, no you don't.  We've never met.  You don't give a sh*t about my baby, just as I don't give a sh*t about yours.  Just get your fill of my sibling's selfies, and leave my baby out of it.

Mark Suckerberg doesn't need to have my kid's pictures until the end of time.  Nor do any chester's out there.
 
2013-07-31 01:01:53 PM
They will need the picture I took the other night of a giant poop that was almost all of three ears of fresh roasted corn I ate the night before. It was a good 80% corn and will impress my upcoming generations.
 
2013-07-31 01:02:17 PM
Time it was, amd what a time it was ...
A time of innocence; a time of confidences.
Long ago; it must be ...
I have a photograph.
Preserve your memories.
They're all that's left you.
 
2013-07-31 01:03:30 PM

mjohnson71: lostcat: Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?

Plus burned DVDs AND a portable hard drive in a safe deposit box at the bank?


Plus I keep copies on Amazon's cloud service.
 
2013-07-31 01:04:30 PM

jbrooks544: Dellirium: Burn it all to DVDs. They will still be readable long after you are dead. You will still be able to find a working drive 30 years from now, but may have no interface with whatever is passing as a computer then...

Are you being sarcastic? Cds and dvds don't last very long, at least most of the ones that individuals burn. 1/2 of mine are today after sitting in a drawer fir 10 years. I'll stick with multiple hard drives, revolving off site. That way, when technology changes, I just change with it and stay current. I'm the guy carrying the pelican case from my office to my car every night. All files fit my3 companies off site every night.


I've had DVDs go bad after a couple of years.

That why I store everything on Laser Disc.
 
2013-07-31 01:06:22 PM

Molavian: mjohnson71: lostcat: Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?

Plus burned DVDs AND a portable hard drive in a safe deposit box at the bank?

Plus I keep copies on Amazon's cloud service.


Be sure and leave your passwords in your will.
 
2013-07-31 01:07:09 PM

mjohnson71: lostcat: Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?

Plus burned DVDs AND a portable hard drive in a safe deposit box at the bank?


My understanding is that recordable DVDs are not archival and have a useable lifetime that degrades starting about 10 years out.

I do have an online backup service through my webhost, and I use that for the stuff that I particularly want to save. The NAS is full of every shot and video taken, whether or not it is in focus or exposed correctly.
 
2013-07-31 01:07:49 PM

brantgoose: Please let me know.

I've never been one for taking photographs. Cheap cameras and a lack of talent or interest in photography are the main reasons.

But my family has a ton of photographs and I spent some money and time scanning them during my vacation. I only managed to get through 500-600 photos.

Some of them are very nice and I would like them to survive for future generations, if anybody cares, so I made some copies on thumb drives for my siblings.

But preserving this stuff (archival materials and copies) could be a time-consuming and expensive job, so I am open to ideas.

Apparently my grandmother, while working for the local company, documented three or more mills (and the fires). I never knew. I think these photos might interest provincial or federal archives. There's lots of other stuff which I've never seen or which my grandmothers showed us as children.

I'd hate to have to give all this stuff away for free to genealogical corporations but the web is the obvious way to preserve things you want to last, although it is vulnerable in some ways (no security, privacy, no guarantee it won't crash and take down civilization with it, or be taken down by civilization crashing).

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Label your photographs when they are taken or soon thereafter. Explain who, what, when, and where, maybe even why or how.

They become almost useless without names and dates at least.


Want it preserved? Find a dark, unpopular cave and paint your favorites on the wall. A time proven method and future archeologists will love that shiat.
 
2013-07-31 01:08:55 PM
I think most of the above posts miss the point of the article.
It's not a case of how to store the images but how to find time to go through them all and make 'albums' of the best stuff.
In this snap-happy smartphone era we all take too many photos, maybe the answer is only talking them when we're higher than god on psychedelics?
 
2013-07-31 01:11:43 PM

EngineerBob: Your great great grandchildren will have photographs of your ancestors but not you. You stored your pictures on digital media. You chose poorly...


The whole Twentieth Century was the Stupid Ages. Telephones, tapes, the decline of letter-writing, instant color camera films that started to fade horribly as soon as they were  developed, cheap acidic paper--half of the documentation of the Twentieth Century is vanishing rapidly. Add to this the discarding of massive amounts of movie and radio recording, the disposal of library archives of newsprint, etc., and other acts of massive vandalism in the name of saving money, space or time, and you have a black hole.

Books can, if well-made and well-kept, last a couple of centuries at least, even if they were just popular novels or cookbooks. The precious manuscripts of the middle ages and antiquity were meant to last as long as possible, so they were made with the most durable materials--leather, vellum (also leather), bindings of metal, wood, etc.

We need to put a halt to sterile cost-based thinking. We need to learn value-based thinking again.

We don't need to archive everything, certainly not every moment of our trivial lives, but we should do so much better than we are willing to do because of the time and work involved.

And we seriously need to ensure that civilization never dies. Most of what the ancients and medieval people produced in the way of learning, scholarship and invention is still with us, but we are rapidly abandoning old ways and old knowledge that took thousands of years to acquire.

We'd regress to the early stone age without digital technology and electricity. Thankfully there are many artisans keeping old technologies alive as folksy art, but most of the household and farm work done before machines is a mystery even to modern farm families.

We wouldn't have matches or tinder boxes. We wouldn't have lie or soap or candles. We wouldn't have most crops or animals. Kiss the 1900s, the 1800s, and the 1700s good bye. We would probably have the stirrup and the saddle, but might not have the horse collar, which made it possible for horses to pull something heavier than Julius Caesar standing in a baby carriage.

I know of only one harness-maker in North America who still makes horse-collars. By coincidence, it is situated in the small town where I did my BA. If civilization were to collapse, it might have to start again from there.

Kinda cool, actually. We could pour down from the North with plows and carts and blacksmiths and take over New England, New York ... the savage backward lands of a dead Empire. Might make a good video game.
 
2013-07-31 01:14:28 PM

mcreadyblue: Molavian: mjohnson71: lostcat: Because I also have a 2TB RAID 1 NAS where everything is stored?

Plus burned DVDs AND a portable hard drive in a safe deposit box at the bank?

Plus I keep copies on Amazon's cloud service.

Be sure and leave your passwords in your will.


Covered. I have a hard copy of my Excel spreadsheet password list in my safety deposit box.
 
2013-07-31 01:18:41 PM
I'll just leave this here...

img6.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-31 01:19:29 PM
DVD-R and CDR have a shelf life. Keep them out of the light if you want them to last longer.
 
2013-07-31 01:20:31 PM
In the time my wife and I save not helicoptering over our children we're able to do both photo albums/scrapbooks and a reasonable amount of social media sharing. Suck it, NPR.
 
2013-07-31 01:24:26 PM
Of course, our pics have different captions than most people. Things like, "First stitches," "Busted with cigarettes, forced to smoke the whole pack," and "Ambulance ride."
 
2013-07-31 01:29:57 PM
I no longer speak to certain people due to this kind of behavior; I consider the constant onslaught of their baby shiat akin to harassment.
 
2013-07-31 01:34:34 PM

Pilikia: Of course, our pics have different captions than most people. Things like, "First stitches," "Busted with cigarettes, forced to smoke the whole pack," and "Ambulance ride."


blog.chabad.edu

my house too.  complete with "first broken leg"  (he did go on to break the other leg, about 6 years later)
 
2013-07-31 01:36:06 PM

YoOjo: Nobody cares about anything you post online, equally nobody cares about anything you do in real-life.
Act accordingly.


You may be the star of your own life story but you're "Random Asshole #56" in everyone else's.
 
2013-07-31 01:37:16 PM

barefoot in the head: Time it was, amd what a time it was ...
A time of innocence; a time of confidences.
Long ago; it must be ...
I have a photograph.
Preserve your memories.
They're all that's left you.


That's the worst Haiku I've ever read.
 
2013-07-31 01:40:40 PM

tlchwi02: i'm at the prime "friends having babies" age and i find this sharing frankly disturbing- and i don't mean that in the sense of "man, its so annoying to see baby stuff appearing on my facebook wall" (after all, filtering on most of these social networks is quick and simple.)

for me the disturbing element is that every single picture of these children's lives are now accessible to anyone forever. I enjoy the occasional review of the scrapbook when i was a baby, but i most definetly would not want every single picture in there to be accessible to every single person on the planet (let alone first day of school, every school play video, etc etc etc.)

I mean, its bad enough that people overshare so much on their own lives, but to completely take that choice away from their kids (who will themselves one day be adults) when we still aren't really clear on what long term social ramifications are going to play out with the advent of oversharing seems to me to be questionable parenting at best. And thats not even getting into the wierdo's who might get those pictures...


I'm at the same point in my life -- lots of babies happening and thousands of pictures online. I wonder what it will be like for the children of these babies, and the grandchildren of these babies. How many pictures did you have growing up of your grandparents? Can you imagine hundreds of pictures over 80 years?
 
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