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(CNN)   Team Atheist is beating Team Christianity in winning Millennials to their side, presumably with lots and lots of trophies   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 316
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2013-07-31 09:40:04 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-07-31 09:50:54 AM  
You're a winner in my book with that headline Smitty!
 
2013-07-31 09:52:28 AM  
Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.
 
2013-07-31 10:00:22 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.


I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.
 
2013-07-31 10:00:26 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.


2/10   You need to wait til the thread gets fired up first.   Going balls in before the believers on both sides can check in makes you too obvious
 
2013-07-31 10:00:35 AM  
You make it sound like there's some kind of convincing atheistic logic here.  There isn't.  Millenials are lazy f*cks, and their choices are to go to get up early on Sunday morning and go to church and sing terrible songs awkwardly, or they can sleep in and do nothing.
 
2013-07-31 10:01:59 AM  
As an atheist I find this-actually I'm just gonna have coffee. Live and let live.
 
2013-07-31 10:02:20 AM  
We have a team?

Huh. News to me. I thought it was kind of the opposite.
 
2013-07-31 10:02:22 AM  
Thank Christ.
 
2013-07-31 10:02:55 AM  
Wait, people who are healthy all the time and feel near-invulnerable don't want to be dictated to by the divine?

SHOCKING!

If only there was some kind of story about wicked youths...

Did you know that you can get confirmed (or just start going to church) later in life?
 
2013-07-31 10:03:00 AM  
Am I the only one tired of every damn news article referencing reddit.com as though it's some glorious spot on the internet, housing all of the answers to life's burning questions.  And apparently they're "really good" at crime fighting, too.
 
2013-07-31 10:03:01 AM  
While Christians have played sloppy defense, secular Americans have been showing off some impressive offense, giving young Christians plenty of reasons to lose faith in organized religion.

For instance, atheists dominate the Internet, rallying to thriving websites and online communities in lieu of physical meeting spaces.


This guy's reasoning is a little sloppy. Are young people becoming atheists because they see more atheists on the internet? Or are there more atheists on the internet because young people are more likely to be atheists and on the internet?
 
2013-07-31 10:03:05 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.


It's not the knowing or not-knowing that's the problem.

It's the ones that are, as Carlin put it, "Talking to God on a two-way radio". These are the ones who are trying to legislation and policy based on their religious beliefs. These same beliefs, unsurprisingly, benefit a select few to the detriment of the rest.

So yeah, some guy on the corner waving a Bible and shouting about God can be ignored. Stuff that same looney into a suit with a clean shave and give him a chance to write laws based on his beliefs, and we see what the result.

So, no, they're not just harmless people.
 
2013-07-31 10:03:57 AM  
*trying to write

/coffee before posting, apparently
//yeah, probably fed the troll
///meh
 
2013-07-31 10:04:02 AM  

Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.


But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.
 
2013-07-31 10:06:47 AM  
FTFA: For instance, atheists dominate the Internet, rallying to thriving websites and online communities in lieu of physical meeting spaces.

Stopped reading right there.  A quick scroll down my facebook wall makes it pretty evident that this is NOT the case.
 
2013-07-31 10:06:51 AM  

LL316: Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.

But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.


Except there is actual scientific evidence for the big bang and hence no leap of faith needed, unlike the book of Bronze Age fairy tales so many people seem ready to base their lives off of.
 
2013-07-31 10:07:38 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: You make it sound like there's some kind of convincing atheistic logic here.  There isn't.  Millenials are lazy f*cks, and their choices are to go to get up early on Sunday morning and go to church and sing terrible songs awkwardly, or they can sleep in and do nothing.


Don't forget the implied suggestion that you fork over 10% of your income. So you can go do all of that on Sunday morning and then get socially shamed into handing over your money during their public plate-passing. Or you can sleep in, make yourself a nice breakfast, choose whether to sing awkwardly (I'm not gonna judge), and then, do nothing.

/the superior choice is clear.
 
2013-07-31 10:08:03 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: You make it sound like there's some kind of convincing atheistic logic here.  There isn't.  Millenials are lazy f*cks, and their choices are to go to get up early on Sunday morning and go to church and sing terrible songs awkwardly, or they can sleep in and do nothing.


Yep. It's all laziness, and definitely not that many young Christians disagree with the fundamental teachings of their church.

FTFA: A 2012 study by the Public Religion Research Institute (PDF) showed that many Christians aged 18-24 felt that Christianity was hypocritical (49%), judgmental (54%) and anti-gay (58%).
 
2013-07-31 10:08:09 AM  
Maybe the younger generation is just sick of the bullshiat that the Church pushes...?

Consider that many younger people have plenty of gay friends and know they're not the devil like the Church seems to spew, then starts questioning tons of other shiat it spews... oh fark, this religion just lies and hates, fark them!
 
2013-07-31 10:08:32 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.


Good trolling. How do you know god wasn't created just to confuse you and such descriptors as him being "beyond your understanding" make it so you don't actively try to figure the shell game out?
 
2013-07-31 10:09:28 AM  

LL316: Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.

But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.


No I assume the Big bang occurred because of many reasons.  A very compelling one being the extreme level of uniformity found in the cosmic background radiation which leads us to believe that at some point in the distant past everywhere was really really close to everywhere else.
 
2013-07-31 10:10:00 AM  
Hm...a nice religion thread, eh? Lemme go grab my popcorn and a coke.
 
2013-07-31 10:10:18 AM  

Source4leko: Except there is actual scientific evidence for the big bang and hence no leap of faith needed,


You're assuming that your senses are accurate, that you're perceiving the world roughly as it is. But since your only information comes from your senses, you have no way to verify they exist. To assume the physical world exists, and that you are perceiving it, is a leap of faith every bit as big as believing in a god. Maybe you're just a computer simulation. Or a brain in a jar. Or whatever.

Yay for epistemology.
 
2013-07-31 10:10:30 AM  
Or maybe the younger generation is actually smarter than the previous ones because they are able to see through all the lying bullshiat better than people were in the past.
 
2013-07-31 10:10:36 AM  

LL316: Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.

But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.


Not really. It's more like, one side advocates blinding yourself to a scientific understanding of the world, and the other side embraces it.
 
2013-07-31 10:10:56 AM  
The real swing will happen in the next decade or two.

It used to be that barely/mildly religious parents would indoctrinate their kids into the church they grew up with because that is what you do.  That is what everyone expected.  The religion you grew up with was always the default state of your spirituality.

Today its different.  Parents aren't dragging their kids to church in the same numbers.  That means the default faith is no faith.  Over time this will increase the number of non-believers by some exponential rate.

Thats the route I am taking with my kids.  Both the wife and I grew up Catholic, but we're holding off on any religious indoctrination while they are young,  When they are older they can choose whatever path they want to take without the baggage of having to leave behind a belief system that has always been a part of their lives.  If they end up being Catholic, Jewish or whatever...........then fine.  At least it will be their choice.
 
2013-07-31 10:11:41 AM  
You don't suppose tying 'Christianity' to extremely right wing, purely secular politics could have something to do with it?
 
2013-07-31 10:12:13 AM  

D-Liver: LL316: Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.

But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.

Not really. It's more like, one side advocates blinding yourself to a scientific understanding of the world, and the other side embraces it.


So its more like one side actively embraces total ignorance and the other doesn't.  Hmmmmm........
 
2013-07-31 10:12:20 AM  

Il Douchey: Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.


Wrong. We can "wrap our heads around it" just fine. And once we do, we deduce that it is simply a sham, prompted by fear of the dark, and exploited by charlatans.

One only need study the various religions and their tenets and then ask yourself a simple series of questions to expose the falsehood:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

...Then he is not omnipotent.


Is he able, but not willing?

...Then he is not benevolent.


Is he both able and willing?

...Then, from whence cometh evil?


Is he neither able nor willing?

...Then why call him God?
 
2013-07-31 10:12:29 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.




I feel the same way about Hhiuhbpg7hv. It's ridiculous to think everyone would get it.
 
2013-07-31 10:12:52 AM  

LL316: Egoy3k: Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.

I also can't wrap my head around how a teapot got into an orbit equidistant between Earth and Mars. I also don't go around assuming that there is one out there.

But you assume the big bang theory happened?  Why?  Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.


As an agnostic, I don't deny the possibility that there is a being of immense power out there.  Though I'm as close to certain as possible that if there is, it doesn't necessarily watch over us, it doesn't care that anyone worships it, it doesn't judge us based on our life's merits, and we certainly can never know about it as long as we remain finite beings that apply the concepts of a beginning and an end to everything.  The human species cannot possibly comprehend such a being.  So my huge doubt is Earthly religions themselves, and not in the possibility of "a god".
 
2013-07-31 10:13:52 AM  
Oh, and let's not forget the ancient Egyptian tale of Horus, where the Christians directly lifted their story of Jesus from.
 
2013-07-31 10:15:12 AM  

Il Douchey: Atheists are every bit as presumptuous as the religiosos.  Just because you can't wrap your head around the idea of something bigger, something above our plane of consciousness, you are certain that nothing like that can possibly exist.  People trying to understand God is like dogs trying to understand mathematics; maybe it's just beyond our skill set.  You don't know, I don't know, the pope doesn't know.  Let it go.


Something bigger and above our plane of consciousness can't exist.  Bigger...above our plane...

Like this?

i171.photobucket.com

It exists.  BOOM!  CHECKMATES!!!1!
 
2013-07-31 10:15:59 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Oh, and let's not forget the ancient Egyptian tale of Horus, where the Christians directly lifted their story of Jesus from.


Or that the early Christians co-opted pagan holidays to get more people to convert.
 
2013-07-31 10:16:31 AM  
Well, I never understood religion. It always seemed a joke to me. Whenever I enter a church or synagogue, I get the chills. It's all so weird and eerie.

/I may be the devil
 
2013-07-31 10:17:22 AM  
I like to imagine that life on our planet sprang from an alien stopping here and taking a whiz billions of years ago.
 
2013-07-31 10:18:33 AM  

LL316: But you assume the big bang theory happened? Why? Because someone smart than you said so?

Both require huge leaps of faith, so I don't see how anyone can look down their nose at anyone else in regards to the God / no God thing.


You assume that all atheists consider the big bang theory to be true. You are wrong.

Atheists have no beliefs that are necessarily in common with each other. This includes any scientific theories like abiogenisis, evolution and the big bang theory. Many atheists may feel that some or all of these theories have merit (i.e. good supporting evidence) but this has nothing to do with atheism.
 
2013-07-31 10:18:36 AM  

Source4leko: Except there is actual scientific evidence for the big bang and hence no leap of faith needed


All science is based on assumptions.  Assumptions that seem to work but have not or can not be proven.  We physicists generally try to cover this little truth up by give the assumptions higher status by calling them "Laws" or "First Principles".   However at the end of the day ALL of them must be taken on faith.   Nobody can prove the second law of thermodynamics, we can however show that it works in every experiment we have tried, but that hardly constitutes a proof.
 
2013-07-31 10:19:50 AM  

Waldo Pepper: No worries, Once life smacks them around a bit and they start wondering if this is all there is in life. God has a way of winning them back.

Now off to play some pinball while the Atheist gloat in all their foolishness.


Ah, yes, the "no atheists in foxholes" argument.  Wonder when it would show up.

/ back to shining my glorious atheist trophies I didn't know I had
 
2013-07-31 10:19:58 AM  

slackux: FTFA: For instance, atheists dominate the Internet, rallying to thriving websites and online communities in lieu of physical meeting spaces.

Stopped reading right there.  A quick scroll down my facebook wall makes it pretty evident that this is NOT the case.


"Like" if you luv Jesus and have Been Saved By Him
"Share" if you Live for Him and luv UR family too!!!!!!
"Ignore" if u kill animals b/c luv Satan!

~~~~~~****~~~~~~

I'm conflicted.
 
2013-07-31 10:21:25 AM  
I always thought the following question worked:

If no one told you about God, would you still believe?

Of course, they answer yes, however...

There are thousands or millions of people currently on this planet that have never heard of God.  And generations before them that have lived and died and never heard of God.  So how does that work?  God created everything but needs people to knock on doors to tell them about him, because he's shy.  Aside of the whole kill everything with floods and nuke cities kinda shy.
 
2013-07-31 10:21:25 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-07-31 10:22:29 AM  
I wonder what it means when people say atheists "dominate the internet". Are there any actual stats on this? The internet is a big place, and it seems more likely to me that atheists merely dominate the places journalists tend to visit.
 
2013-07-31 10:22:40 AM  

Waldo Pepper: No worries, Once life smacks them around a bit and they start wondering if this is all there is in life. God has a way of winning them back.

Now off to play some pinball while the Atheist gloat in all their foolishness.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that having shiatty things happen to us will not make us more inclined to believe in an all powerful entity who loves and cares for each and every one of us.  I'm pretty sure that would do the opposite.
 
2013-07-31 10:24:56 AM  

DamnYankees: I wonder what it means when people say atheists "dominate the internet". Are there any actual stats on this? The internet is a big place, and it seems more likely to me that atheists merely dominate the places journalists tend to visit.


Stop asking questions like that unless you want to Atheist shadow government to send the grey helicopters

/Black helicopters are sooo monotheist.
 
2013-07-31 10:26:09 AM  

MonoChango: Nobody can prove the second law of thermodynamics, we can however show that it works in every experiment we have tried, but that hardly constitutes a proof.


"Proof" outside of observation is philosophy.  I can't "prove" that the next time I drop a baseball it will fall down, not up.  Even if I drop it, it doesn't prove the next time it will fall either.  There may be some insignificant chance that some exception to the known physical laws will come into play and physics will be revised.

As someone who enjoys a friendly wager, I wouldn't bet on it though.
 
2013-07-31 10:26:10 AM  

MonoChango: Source4leko: Except there is actual scientific evidence for the big bang and hence no leap of faith needed

All science is based on assumptions.  Assumptions that seem to work but have not or can not be proven.  We physicists generally try to cover this little truth up by give the assumptions higher status by calling them "Laws" or "First Principles".   However at the end of the day ALL of them must be taken on faith.   Nobody can prove the second law of thermodynamics, we can however show that it works in every experiment we have tried, but that hardly constitutes a proof.


true. the likelihood that god and scientific theory are real still aren't on a par though. are you trying to suggest they are?
 
2013-07-31 10:26:44 AM  
Atheism is not a religion, atheists are not a "group" in any organized sense, unless you are actually in some sort of organization, it's just what's left over when people decide not to follow a major religion. I wish people who write these things would stop trying to put me in the same category, just because we have exactly one (lack of) belief in common.
 
2013-07-31 10:26:48 AM  
As for this story ... personally I believe that the reason for a growing segment of the population is becoming atheists is simply the massive increase of access to different opinions that the internet has brought.

It used to be that your parents indoctrinated you into their religion, your local community fully reinforced this indoctrination and you were pretty much an adult before you really started to hear differing opinions.

Now people are exposed to concise arguments for both sides as early teenagers.

Indoctrination is much weaker when it is interrupted in the early teenage years. They are just learning to question their parents authority and the religion that was force-fed them becomes part of this questioning. In the past religion just wasn't on the table for teenage re-evaluation.

P.S. We are not a team. We are the people who have chosen not to join a team.
P.P.S. Yes some atheists join teams ... they are a small portion of atheists and using them to represent all atheists is dishonest
 
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