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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Netflix removes 'Star Trek III' because shockingly, not every Star Trek nerd speaks Klingon   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 70
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2013-07-31 10:01:49 AM
Who cares about that?  Why did they remove MST3K?!

/Amazon Prime...slowly leaking episodes in.
 
2013-07-31 10:33:26 AM
I have the first six on BluRay, so it doesn't matter to me.

/ST3 is better than people say
 
2013-07-31 10:37:28 AM

UberDave: Who cares about that? Why did they remove MST3K?!


Because of sites like this that tell you every way imaginable you can stream or watch nearly every episode?
 
2013-07-31 10:39:59 AM
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NETFLIIIIIIIIIXX!!!!
 
2013-07-31 10:41:00 AM
Eh, I think there is some kind of copyright issue.

Over at Amazon Prime it's only available as a paid rental despite the fact that Amazon has an exclusive contract with Paramount, which includes all Star Trek properties (except the new movies) and in better quality than what Netflix gets.
 
2013-07-31 10:43:22 AM
stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.
 
2013-07-31 10:43:53 AM
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but the VHS version I remember watching back in the day had subtitles for the Klingon parts of the movie. How hard would it have been for them to get that right?
 
2013-07-31 10:46:25 AM
We actually tried to watch this a few weeks ago because my kid had never seen the first round of movies.  The problem wasn't poor subtitles, it was that there were no subtitles.  Why would they need to translate this themselves?  Why is there a version even out there with no subtitles?

/Okay, it is not really that important.
 
2013-07-31 10:49:40 AM
Pulling it due to the subtitles being accidentally omitted makes sense.

But saying Netflix is pulling it due to a lack of "authentic subtitles" must be some sort of joke.
 
2013-07-31 10:51:52 AM

DanZero: UberDave: Who cares about that? Why did they remove MST3K?!

Because of sites like this that tell you every way imaginable you can stream or watch nearly every episode?


Without looking at that site, I know you can get *all* of them all for free by just going to YouTube...hell, links to them are greenlit on Fark regularly.  But I don't have a decent PC media center hooked to my TV at the moment.  It's something I'm doing soon and MST3K YouTube availability has been a big motivator for that (plus, I'm dropping cable completely).
 
2013-07-31 10:52:37 AM

Sarcasm Incarnate: We actually tried to watch this a few weeks ago because my kid had never seen the first round of movies.  The problem wasn't poor subtitles, it was that there were no subtitles.  Why would they need to translate this themselves?  Why is there a version even out there with no subtitles?

/Okay, it is not really that important.


that means that the version that was on netflix was ripped from a dvd without hardcoded subs.  no one thought to code them.  happens from time to time on foreign films as well.
 
2013-07-31 10:53:06 AM
I...(boot to the screen) HAVE HAD...(boot to the screen) ENOUGH OF NETFLIX (boot to the screen)

/AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-07-31 10:55:17 AM

frepnog: stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.


I don't think it so bad as long as you turn it off after Christopher Lloyd's character dies.
 
2013-07-31 11:04:25 AM

UberDave: Who cares about that?  Why did they remove MST3K?!

/Amazon Prime...slowly leaking episodes in.


This is all you need.
 
2013-07-31 11:05:01 AM
...nevermind.
 
2013-07-31 11:12:06 AM

Great Janitor: /ST3 is better than people say


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I've always considered it better than IV, therefore wrecking the odd/even ST film myth.
 
2013-07-31 11:12:17 AM

frepnog: Sarcasm Incarnate: We actually tried to watch this a few weeks ago because my kid had never seen the first round of movies.  The problem wasn't poor subtitles, it was that there were no subtitles.  Why would they need to translate this themselves?  Why is there a version even out there with no subtitles?

/Okay, it is not really that important.

that means that the version that was on netflix was ripped from a dvd without hardcoded subs.  no one thought to code them.  happens from time to time on foreign films as well.


Heh, I accidentally did that the first time I encoded X-Men: First Class. Forgot how much German was in it when I ran it through Handbrake...

Great Janitor: I have the first six on BluRay, so it doesn't matter to me.

/ST3 is better than people say


It's not bad... decent story, plus one of the more entertaining examples of ham-to-ham combat in film history. I read the novel before finally catching the movie... it had about twice as much story (mostly between the films, including Savik banging David after Spock's wake, and Sulu named and then passed over as Excelsior's first commander).
 
2013-07-31 11:15:04 AM

ColSanders: Great Janitor: /ST3 is better than people say



I've always considered it better than IV, therefore wrecking the odd/even ST film myth.


Had an fantastic soundtrack, although Horner is horrible about re-using phrases and voicings
 
2013-07-31 11:20:43 AM

clkeagle: Heh, I accidentally did that the first time I encoded X-Men: First Class. Forgot how much German was in it when I ran it through Handbrake...


my star wars encodes were a biatch as well.  so much alien nonsense.
 
2013-07-31 11:28:15 AM
I just wish Netflix would put up First Contact.
 
2013-07-31 11:30:21 AM

zarberg: Horner is horrible about re-using phrases and voicings


I defy anyone to differentiate Aliens from Star Trek 2.

As for Trek 3, what's not to like? The first real use of the "modern" Klingon, the first Bird of Prey, stealing the Enterprise, blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu is a faaaabulous bad ass, Doc Brown's Klingon and Kirk's pussy son is killed. It has it all.
 
2013-07-31 11:31:09 AM

frepnog: stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.


I'm going to disagree with you there.  Star Trek 3 is without a doubt the best of the odd numbered movies and shouldn't even be considered a bad movie at all. It takes place instantly after the events of Star Trek 2 instead of doing the cop out of taking place years later.  The stealing the Enterprise sequence is one of the best scenes in all the Star Trek movies.  The villian, Kruge is probably one of the best baddies in the Trek universe.  Unlike Khan, he was born and raised in the 23rd century and knows how his ship works and the correct tactics.  He doesn't fall for Kirk's bluff, he's not concerned for his own personal power or glory (unlike the Duras sisters or the jackass Klingon captain from Star Trek: V) but rather he's concerned about the future of his people now that the Federation has developed a torpedo that can one shot wipe out all life on a planet and sees it as a doomsday device for Federation expansion.  He doesn't destroy the Grissom because the Grissom is a science vessel and thus, not an honorable combat, he doesn't even want it's crew dead.  In short, Kruge is probably the best developed baddie in all the Trek movies.  He's also the only baddie to have witnessed the deaths of his crew and was actually seen mourning their loss.  Too many bad guy leaders lose large numbers and take it as their people being disposable.  Yeah, Kruge will kill his mean for disobeying his men if he feels it's needed (though, Kruge did say to not kill the crew of the Gissom, and the gunner did just that resulting in Kruge executing the gunner and calling him an animal, which shows that Kruge isn't really a cold blooded killer, he killed a crew member who was a cold blooded killer), but he respects his men and values them.

The movie also has Shatner's best moment in all of Trek, that being his trying to bluff Kruge into a surrender, failing, and then the long pause as he waits to find out who: David, Saavik or Spock, is about to die.  His son, a former cadet now officer who served under him, or the resurrected body of his dead best friend and first officer.  Really, there is no good outcome to this situation.  Then to Saavik's voice, this means that either his son is dead or his best friend will never return.  The news of his son dying is that emotional blow.  Shatner shows it well.  It's not over the top, you can almost feel the pain of that scene.  And the later scene as Kirk looks up and sees the Enterprise burn up in the atmosphere above their heads, Kirk asking what he had done.  He's lost his career, his ship, his friend, his son and the very real chance that the only thing he has left, his freedom, could be lost as well.

Plus, even though this movie ends with the magic reset button getting pressed with Spock's body and mind being restored, there is still no happy ending, Kirk and crew are still renegades staying on Vulcan (I guess Vulcan doesn't extradite fugitives), the Enterprise is lost and while Spock's soul and memories are back in his body, he's not 100%, it's clear that he's going to have some recovering to do.
 
2013-07-31 11:36:44 AM

Mugato: I defy anyone to differentiate Aliens from Star Trek 2.


can you explain what you mean here?

Aliens is the greatest movie ever made that isn't Robocop (the actual greatest movie ever made).
 
2013-07-31 11:44:04 AM

frepnog: Mugato: I defy anyone to differentiate Aliens from Star Trek 2.

can you explain what you mean here?

Aliens is the greatest movie ever made that isn't Robocop (the actual greatest movie ever made).


He means the soundtrack. Add in The Rocketeer too
 
2013-07-31 11:50:07 AM

frepnog: Mugato: I defy anyone to differentiate Aliens from Star Trek 2.

can you explain what you mean here?

Aliens is the greatest movie ever made that isn't Robocop (the actual greatest movie ever made).


I mean the musical scores.
 
2013-07-31 11:50:11 AM

Great Janitor: frepnog: stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.

I'm going to disagree with you there.  Star Trek 3 is without a doubt the best of the odd numbered movies and shouldn't even be considered a bad movie at all. It takes place instantly after the events of Star Trek 2 instead of doing the cop out of taking place years later.  The stealing the Enterprise sequence is one of the best scenes in all the Star Trek movies.  The villian, Kruge is probably one of the best baddies in the Trek universe.  Unlike Khan, he was born and raised in the 23rd century and knows how his ship works and the correct tactics.  He doesn't fall for Kirk's bluff, he's not concerned for his own personal power or glory (unlike the Duras sisters or the jackass Klingon captain from Star Trek: V) but rather he's concerned about the future of his people now that the Federation has developed a torpedo that can one shot wipe out all life on a planet and sees it as a doomsday device for Federation expansion.  He doesn't destroy the Grissom because the Grissom is a science vessel and thus, not an honorable combat, he doesn't even want it's crew dead.  In short, Kruge is probably the best developed baddie in all the Trek movies.  He's also the only baddie to have witnessed the deaths of his crew and was actually seen mourning their loss.  Too many bad guy leaders lose large numbers and take it as their people being disposable.  Yeah, Kruge will kill his mean for disobeying his men if he feels it's needed (though, Kruge did say to not kill the crew of the Gissom, and the gunner did just that resulting in Kruge executing the gunner and calling him an animal, which shows that Kruge isn't really a cold blooded killer, he killed a crew member who was a cold blooded killer), but he respects his men and values them.

The movie also has Shatner's best moment in all of Trek, that being his trying to bluff Kruge into a surrender, failing, and then the long pause as he waits to find out who: David, Saavik or Spock, i ...


your synopsis is greater than the actual film.
 
2013-07-31 11:58:07 AM

Mugato: frepnog: Mugato: I defy anyone to differentiate Aliens from Star Trek 2.

can you explain what you mean here?

Aliens is the greatest movie ever made that isn't Robocop (the actual greatest movie ever made).

I mean the musical scores.


hmm.  never paid that much attention to it.  will have to investigate for curiosity.
 
2013-07-31 12:18:35 PM

maltedmothball: I...(boot to the screen) HAVE HAD...(boot to the screen) ENOUGH OF NETFLIX (boot to the screen)

/AHHHHHHHHHHHH!


This got an actual lol out of me. Well played, sir.
 
2013-07-31 01:57:45 PM
ST:III is my favorite of the TREK films.  Including all the reasons given by Great Janitor above, I'd like to add one that'll open me up to ridicule, but here goes anyway.  The Enterprise crew worked together as a team, with no unnecessary bickering or squabbling between them.  They're all dedicated to the same cause, despite the personal consequences.

Too many movies made recently has had characters constantly arguing: the new versions of Homes & Watson, Lone Ranger & Tonto, Kirk & Spock, Green Hornet & Kato, and on and on and on.  It's too easy to make characters constantly trading snarky one-liners, instead of being on the same team and being focused on a common goal.  Conflict is great, but it's doesn't have to be expressed with arguing all the time.

Anyway, go ahead and say I want feel-good, touchy-feely movies (which isn't what I want at all).  I just appreciate the effort in writing above petty squabbles.
 
2013-07-31 02:09:16 PM
My wife an I have an ongoing argument over which movie was worse: Star Trek III or Ishtar. I have to admit, they're close but Star Trek III was a tiny bit better.
 
2013-07-31 02:15:06 PM

Dack48: I just wish Netflix would put up First Contact.


I watched it on Amazon Prime last night.
 
2013-07-31 03:15:52 PM

Lodger: I'd like to add one that'll open me up to ridicule, but here goes anyway.  The Enterprise crew worked together as a team, with no unnecessary bickering or squabbling between them.  They're all dedicated to the same cause, despite the personal consequences.


And no one involved, even Kirk, knew that this would result in Spock being reborn physically. All Kirk knew was that Spock's "katra" needed to be laid to rest. More importantly, Kirk asked his friends for help with no explanation and they didn't hesitate. I can relate to that kind of friendship and it's rare and makes for a great story.
 
2013-07-31 03:31:15 PM

Lodger: Too many movies made recently has had characters constantly arguing


that was my only real problem with Iron Man 3 - Tony and Rhodey's buddy cop bickering.  Come on.  You going to tell me that Tony farking Stark didn't know that not all magazines fit all guns??
 
2013-07-31 03:32:22 PM

Dadoo: My wife an I have an ongoing argument over which movie was worse: Star Trek III or Ishtar. I have to admit, they're close but Star Trek III was a tiny bit better.


My wife and I have that argument between Ishtar and Star Wars: attack of the Clones. Ishtar is better IMO.
 
2013-07-31 03:40:50 PM

r1niceboy: Dadoo: My wife an I have an ongoing argument over which movie was worse: Star Trek III or Ishtar. I have to admit, they're close but Star Trek III was a tiny bit better.

My wife and I have that argument between Ishtar and Star Wars: attack of the Clones. Ishtar is better IMO.


winnar winnar chicken dinnar.  AOTC is farking HORRIBLE.  I love star wars.  watching that movie is like being raped.
 
2013-07-31 03:54:45 PM
Kramer: Yeah, I know Jerry will tell you that The Wrath of Khan is the better picture...

ST:III is definitely among the top 3 original six, with 2 and 6 being the others.

4 f*cking blows
 
2013-07-31 03:55:27 PM

frepnog: r1niceboy: Dadoo: My wife an I have an ongoing argument over which movie was worse: Star Trek III or Ishtar. I have to admit, they're close but Star Trek III was a tiny bit better.

My wife and I have that argument between Ishtar and Star Wars: attack of the Clones. Ishtar is better IMO.

winnar winnar chicken dinnar.  AOTC is farking HORRIBLE.  I love star wars.  watching that movie is like being raped.


AOTC wasn't the greatest movie ever, but Phantom Menace is the worst of the prequel movies, and hell, lump all the Trek movies and Star Wars movies into one pile and pick the worst movie of the lot, it's going to be The Phantom Menace.
 
2013-07-31 03:58:30 PM

frepnog: r1niceboy: Dadoo: My wife an I have an ongoing argument over which movie was worse: Star Trek III or Ishtar. I have to admit, they're close but Star Trek III was a tiny bit better.

My wife and I have that argument between Ishtar and Star Wars: attack of the Clones. Ishtar is better IMO.

winnar winnar chicken dinnar.  AOTC is farking HORRIBLE.  I love star wars.  watching that movie is like being raped.


I've completely blocked the prequels out of my mind. Is that the one in which C-3PO says "what a drag!"? Because that made me almost walk out of the theater.
 
2013-07-31 03:58:43 PM

Great Janitor: AOTC wasn't the greatest movie ever, but Phantom Menace is the worst of the prequel movies, and hell, lump all the Trek movies and Star Wars movies into one pile and pick the worst movie of the lot, it's going to be The Phantom Menace.


Liam Neeson.  Your argument is invalid.

Hell, the Ep 1 pod race is better than the entire AOTC film.  Ep 1 isn't great but sweet monkey jesus AOTC is BADDDD.  I mean "gave 3 out of 4 lab rats cancer" bad.
 
2013-07-31 04:01:47 PM
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2013-07-31 04:03:06 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Kramer: Yeah, I know Jerry will tell you that The Wrath of Khan is the better picture...

ST:III is definitely among the top 3 original six, with 2 and 6 being the others.

4 f*cking blows


4 was the first one I saw in theaters that I actually remember (my parents say I saw 2 and 3 in the theaters, but I don't remember, and given that I remember seeing 'Return of the Jedi' in theaters and I was 4, I doubt I saw ST:3 in the theaters).  Anyhow, ST4 seemed to be that one I just didn't like.  And I figured it was two things: 1) The crew isn't in their uniforms until the end of the movie and the Enterprise isn't seen until the end of the movie as well.  Just seems that a Star Trek movie should have the crew in uniform and on the Enterprise.  2) We had a Beta VCR growing up, and ST4 was the only Trek movie we had on Beta, so it was the one we saw the most and I kept wanting to see the others.

Now I know why I had a problem with ST4, the whale probe plot. It makes no farking sense.  Spock: "Only human arrogance would assume the message is for them."  No, we assume the message from a probe being beamed to Earth would be for the humans because we're the ones with the ability to receive it!  How to whales talk to aliens somewhere else in the galaxy?
 
2013-07-31 04:03:18 PM

Great Janitor: AOTC wasn't the greatest movie ever, but Phantom Menace is the worst of the prequel movies, and hell, lump all the Trek movies and Star Wars movies into one pile and pick the worst movie of the lot, it's going to be The Phantom Menace.


If the dialog and acting didn't suck so much, AOTC wouldn't be that bad. It had a plot anyway.
 
2013-07-31 04:21:02 PM

Great Janitor: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Kramer: Yeah, I know Jerry will tell you that The Wrath of Khan is the better picture...

ST:III is definitely among the top 3 original six, with 2 and 6 being the others.

4 f*cking blows

4 was the first one I saw in theaters that I actually remember (my parents say I saw 2 and 3 in the theaters, but I don't remember, and given that I remember seeing 'Return of the Jedi' in theaters and I was 4, I doubt I saw ST:3 in the theaters).  Anyhow, ST4 seemed to be that one I just didn't like.  And I figured it was two things: 1) The crew isn't in their uniforms until the end of the movie and the Enterprise isn't seen until the end of the movie as well.  Just seems that a Star Trek movie should have the crew in uniform and on the Enterprise.  2) We had a Beta VCR growing up, and ST4 was the only Trek movie we had on Beta, so it was the one we saw the most and I kept wanting to see the others.

Now I know why I had a problem with ST4, the whale probe plot. It makes no farking sense.  Spock: "Only human arrogance would assume the message is for them."  No, we assume the message from a probe being beamed to Earth would be for the humans because we're the ones with the ability to receive it!  How to whales talk to aliens somewhere else in the galaxy?


Funny, it was the first one I saw in theaters. We're probably the same age. It's a fine movie. It's just that take away the first ten minutes and the last 5 it's not Star Trek at all. It's a group of misfits getting into misadventures for 80 minutes.
 
2013-07-31 04:24:36 PM
It's ok. Netflix people are all PtaQ's anyhow
 
2013-07-31 04:35:14 PM

viscountalpha: It's ok. Netflix people are all PtaQ's anyhow


Only a Va'rool would use such language in public.
 
2013-07-31 04:46:00 PM

Great Janitor: viscountalpha: It's ok. Netflix people are all PtaQ's anyhow

Only a Va'rool would use such language in public.


Romulan curse, actually...

/nerd
 
2013-07-31 05:18:00 PM

Great Janitor: frepnog: stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.

I'm going to disagree with you there.  Star Trek 3 is without a doubt the best of the odd numbered movies and shouldn't even be considered a bad movie at all. It takes place instantly after the events of Star Trek 2 instead of doing the cop out of taking place years later.  The stealing the Enterprise sequence is one of the best scenes in all the Star Trek movies.  The villian, Kruge is probably one of the best baddies in the Trek universe.  Unlike Khan, he was born and raised in the 23rd century and knows how his ship works and the correct tactics.  He doesn't fall for Kirk's bluff, he's not concerned for his own personal power or glory (unlike the Duras sisters or the jackass Klingon captain from Star Trek: V) but rather he's concerned about the future of his people now that the Federation has developed a torpedo that can one shot wipe out all life on a planet and sees it as a doomsday device for Federation expansion.  He doesn't destroy the Grissom because the Grissom is a science vessel and thus, not an honorable combat, he doesn't even want it's crew dead.  In short, Kruge is probably the best developed baddie in all the Trek movies.  He's also the only baddie to have witnessed the deaths of his crew and was actually seen mourning their loss.  Too many bad guy leaders lose large numbers and take it as their people being disposable.  Yeah, Kruge will kill his mean for disobeying his men if he feels it's needed (though, Kruge did say to not kill the crew of the Gissom, and the gunner did just that resulting in Kruge executing the gunner and calling him an animal, which shows that Kruge isn't really a cold blooded killer, he killed a crew member who was a cold blooded killer), but he respects his men and values them.

The movie also has Shatner's best moment in all of Trek, that being his trying to bluff Kruge into a surrender, failing, and then the long pause as he waits to find out who: David, Saavik or Spock, i ...


All of that, plus John Larroquette

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2013-07-31 05:36:28 PM
People who are called the Romans, they go the house.
 
2013-07-31 06:45:56 PM

Dack48: I just wish Netflix would put up First Contact.


Seriously, this.

Been rewatching TNG and looking forward to the movies but just noticed the other day that they don't have Generations or First Contact but they do have Insurrection and Nemesis.

WTF, Netflix?

I see that a lot with them actually. They'll have parts 2&3 of a movie trilogy for example but not part 1 - honestly, why bother?

Luckily, with only a minor inconvenience of changing my DNS settings, I can get both Canadian and American Netflix and the Canadian one has Generations and First Contact (but not the next two - again I say WTF?).
 
2013-07-31 07:22:25 PM

frepnog: stark trek 3 is a nigh unwatchable turd.


You don't like Star Trek.
 
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