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(Washington Post)   The conviction of Army private Bradley Manning on espionage charges means that the United States will prosecute WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as a co-conspirator   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-07-31 09:34:59 AM  
It's almost like stealing classified information is illegal and vastly different than posting an album for torrenting.
 
2013-07-31 09:37:32 AM  
Good!
 
2013-07-31 09:37:58 AM  
In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.
 
2013-07-31 09:38:46 AM  
The government voluntarily stored that classified info on computers as per the 5th circuit court. The government is not protected from searches of its information.
 
2013-07-31 09:39:09 AM  

hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.


but but but...America is evil for having government secrets! They are the real criminals here!
 
2013-07-31 09:39:33 AM  
And the NY Times? and USA Today? and every other paper and blog and person who linked to it? uh-oh!
 
2013-07-31 09:46:57 AM  

Giltric: The government voluntarily stored that classified info on computers as per the 5th circuit court. The government is not protected from searches of its information.


/win!
 
2013-07-31 09:48:14 AM  

hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.


Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
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2013-07-31 09:51:25 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.

Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
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Yes, because stealing classified documents about State Dept communications from the 70's is the same as protesting segregation.  If I was you I'd start photoshopping pictures of Assange as Jesus so you can worship him properly.
 
2013-07-31 09:53:41 AM  
They're missing out on a win-win if they don't sentence him to time served. The government gets to show that they will prosecute if you leak, and it serves as an implicit endorsement that what Manning did both wasn't that harmful to national security and was information worth leaking.
 
2013-07-31 09:53:42 AM  
Umm....  jurisdiction?
 
2013-07-31 09:58:44 AM  

GoldSpider: Umm....  jurisdiction?


you give me that juris-my-diction crap, you can cram it up your ass.
 
2013-07-31 10:06:55 AM  

Aristocles: Good!


This.
 
2013-07-31 10:07:32 AM  
Welp,   he can spend 30 years in jail for his endeavor.    I hope it was worth it Bradley.    Have a nice couple of decades in prison.   See ya'
 
2013-07-31 10:08:04 AM  
he gave us the collateral murder video in which a dozen innocent people (including children) were attacked by our military.
most lost their lives.

and the only justice we care to seek is to see the person that showed us this video tortured and imprisoned.

we are a sad, sad, lot
 
2013-07-31 10:16:07 AM  

Azteki: he gave us the collateral murder video in which a dozen innocent people (including children) were attacked by our military.
most lost their lives.

and the only justice we care to seek is to see the person that showed us this video tortured and imprisoned.

we are a sad, sad, lot


I'm curious as to what the full load of 'classified info' consisted of.  I'm sure there was more to it than just the shooting video.  Yes, the military shooting up a bunch of people it shouldn't have should be exposed and dealt with.  But if there were legitimate confidential bits of info that put our soldiers (or other US citizens) at risk by its exposure...well, sorry, Brad, but tough shiat.
 
2013-07-31 10:16:07 AM  
Remember kids, just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's illegal!

[Just taking a page from the Bush playbook there.]
 
2013-07-31 10:19:26 AM  
Boing-Boing will delete your comment if you claim Manning is a criminal or did something wrong.
 And if they don't delete it, you'll get attacked as if you are advocating Nazi child molestation.
 
2013-07-31 10:24:12 AM  
Bradley Manning is a hero, and this whole ordeal is a sad testament to what our nation has become. Its also a sad statement regarding the American people, that we (as a whole) lack the integrity to see whats right and wrong. They can spy on us, but we cant expose their crimes? Pathetic. We dont deserve heroes like Manning and Snowden, but I hope we get more like them, anyways.
 
2013-07-31 10:24:58 AM  
Move along, citizen, nothing to see here.

And anyway, isn't Big Brother on tonight?
 
2013-07-31 10:27:45 AM  

Azteki: he gave us the collateral murder video in which a dozen innocent people (including children) were attacked by our military.
most lost their lives.

and the only justice we care to seek is to see the person that showed us this video tortured and imprisoned.

we are a sad, sad, lot


But he didn't just release the videos, if that was all, he might have won the trial (might), instead he released a bunch of things that weren't "whistle blowing", just harmful to security. I'm not even sure if the videos were his original intent, or videos that wiki found while searching for useful information.
 
2013-07-31 10:28:49 AM  
Fine, the kid broke the law, put him in prison. I assume prosecutions of high level government officials who regularly leak classified information for their own benefit will be pursued in the near future? Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
2013-07-31 10:35:16 AM  

Giltric: The government voluntarily stored that classified info on computers as per the 5th circuit court. The government is not protected from searches of its information.


no reasonable expectation of privacy
 
2013-07-31 10:44:45 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Remember kids, just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's illegal!

[Just taking a page from the Bush playbook there.]


Or the NSA's or George Zimmerman's
 
2013-07-31 10:53:52 AM  
Sure are a lot of boot licking loyalists up in here.

Rules are rules.

Crucify him! Crucify him!
 
2013-07-31 11:39:50 AM  

hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.


So what did Assange do that was illegal?
 
2013-07-31 11:41:36 AM  

Azteki: he gave us the collateral murder video in which a dozen innocent people (including children) were attacked by our military.
most lost their lives.

and the only justice we care to seek is to see the person that showed us this video tortured and imprisoned.

we are a sad, sad, lot


Yeah conveniently gloss over how they edited out the war crimes being committed by AQ which resulted in the deaths of civilians....
 
2013-07-31 11:44:09 AM  

eiger: Fine, the kid broke the law, put him in prison. I assume prosecutions of high level government officials who regularly leak classified information for their own benefit will be pursued in the near future? Yeah, that's what I thought.


I wish, they're a big problem.

However, with this particular situation, people need to look at the larger picture.  Bradley is one of a few 'leakers' were who groomed/coached by Assange - who stands to profit from their activities.  They take all of the direct risk, he gets the fame/fortune.

We have established whistleblowing procedures in the US, if you have some shocking revelation, use the appropriate channels.  Don't contact someone out to use you until you're no longer useful.

This is best highlighted by the recent Snowden issue.  He got involved with Assange, who appears to have implied that he could get safe passage for him.  That fell through, because someone higher up the food chain didn't like the influence Assange had within his government.  Now, Snowden is left struggling.
 
2013-07-31 12:04:50 PM  
This will continue to be amusing for years to come as Assange's US prosecution continues to be 'just around the corner' forever.

/won't happen
 
2013-07-31 12:27:34 PM  

xanadian: But if there were legitimate confidential bits of info that put our soldiers (or other US citizens) at risk by its exposure...well, sorry, Brad, but tough shiat.


The US military has said that not one person was hurt or killed as a result of the leaks. I see no reason to doubt that statement.
 
2013-07-31 12:35:02 PM  

Outrageous Muff: It's almost like stealing classified information is illegal and vastly different than posting an album for torrenting.


Oh please, revealing classified information is nothing like torrenting an album. One is the greatest treason known to man and could lead to the end of civilization as we know it and the other is just revealing a few military secrets.

This message bought to you by the RIAA.
 
2013-07-31 12:37:12 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: eiger: Fine, the kid broke the law, put him in prison. I assume prosecutions of high level government officials who regularly leak classified information for their own benefit will be pursued in the near future? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I wish, they're a big problem.

However, with this particular situation, people need to look at the larger picture.  Bradley is one of a few 'leakers' were who groomed/coached by Assange - who stands to profit from their activities.  They take all of the direct risk, he gets the fame/fortune.

We have established whistleblowing procedures in the US, if you have some shocking revelation, use the appropriate channels.  Don't contact someone out to use you until you're no longer useful.

This is best highlighted by the recent Snowden issue.  He got involved with Assange, who appears to have implied that he could get safe passage for him.  That fell through, because someone higher up the food chain didn't like the influence Assange had within his government.  Now, Snowden is left struggling.



Yes, if you have a shocking revelation be sure to use the appropriate channels. Because everyone up and down the food chain in said channel will surely do the right thing, jeopardize their paychecks and release shocking information about their own organization. Sure.

These guys knew what they were getting into. They fully realize that if you're lucky you'll get suicided by some mysterious means: robbery gone wrong, ricin pellet in the leg, cyber hack on your car making it crash uncontrollably in L.A., etc.

If you're unlucky and have gained too much publicity to merit a mysterious demise, you get the COINTELPRO treatment, a lifetime of torture in a 5'x5' concrete room, and maybe regular rapings by another inmate. Hey, that's rape by proxy, we didn't do it, our hands are clean! We contract that shiat out!

If you want to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs. Sometimes those eggs are you.
 
2013-07-31 12:40:23 PM  

Andrew Wiggin: GoldSpider: Umm....  jurisdiction?

you give me that juris-my-diction crap, you can cram it up your ass.


Those orders were for your protection.
 
2013-07-31 01:02:37 PM  

hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.


Bankers and hedge fund managers laugh at you.
 
2013-07-31 01:03:27 PM  
"Conspirator" is rather a stretch, unless they have evidence the man solicited information from Manning before the fact.  Assange is under no obligations regarding just possessing the information unless his nation of citizenship has a treaty provision regarding it, iirc.
 
2013-07-31 03:11:34 PM  
danwinkler: Bradley Manning is a hero, and this whole ordeal is a sad testament to what our nation has become. Its also a sad statement regarding the American people, that we (as a whole) lack the integrity to see whats right and wrong. They can spy on us, but we cant expose their crimes? Pathetic. We dont deserve heroes like Manning and Snowden, but I hope we get more like them, anyways.Yeah, hero, not so much.  But at least he faced up to what he did and is serving time.  I don't think the American people lack integrity, I think they lack intelligence, as well as introspection - "What does this mean to me and the country I live in?"  They would rather process simpler problems, like whether a dancer should stay or be voted off.Manning got what he deserved because of the position he occupied and the indiscretion of the material provided.  Criminal acts were revealed, vital intel was revealed and most of it was just plain useless or mundane.  He now becomes a mirror of what YOU think he was prosecuted for.  If he thinks it was worth the time, then it's no punishment but the fruits of his actions.  I don't know about that.Some wish that they could live in the kind of America that phony patriots constantly proclaim as being the best in the world - no irony and no black marks.  If we assume that the US has perpetrated acts that we'd all be ashamed of, but that, on the whole, it is more of a force for good than not, I guess that's easier to live with and hopefully closer to the truth - others don't see it that way.  Manning simply showed us, like Snowden did, what our country is capable of.  But both broke the law.By the way, if you think that a NEW law or NEW Government directive will stop the government from spying on you, you are gullible with a capital "G".  The capability is ALWAYS there and will ALWAYS be used.....because it's ALWAYS there and they will use those capabilities when it is convenient for them to do so.
It is useful to have a Julian Assange around or good investigative journalism.  If someone or some agency within the Government is perpetrating acts that we'd be ashamed of, there are still other folks who are just shocked or indignant or outraged enough to continue to provide THAT vital check - those inside folks can still be heroes and the Assanges and the journalists can still play a vital role to insuring that check is still there.  When they are indiscriminate, they are mostly just coercive blabbermouths.  Look at the mirror and call them what you will.
 
2013-07-31 03:13:10 PM  
If the government can search our computers and copy our data, we can do the same. Manning, Assange and Snowden are real heroes.
 
2013-07-31 03:16:26 PM  
Secret laws and secret trials are not compatible with a healthy democracy. The judge tried her best to keep the trial inaccessible to journalists and the public.
 
2013-07-31 03:16:40 PM  

danwinkler: Bradley Manning is a hero, and this whole ordeal is a sad testament to what our nation has become. Its also a sad statement regarding the American people, that we (as a whole) lack the integrity to see whats right and wrong. They can spy on us, but we cant expose their crimes? Pathetic. We dont deserve heroes like Manning and Snowden, but I hope we get more like them, anyways.


It's worse than that. Those who support our wars of aggression are convinced that they know right from wrong, and that we are so morally superior to our "enemy" that we can set aside all of our moral values to get the job done. We, as a people, are no different from the Germans of the 1930s.
 
2013-07-31 03:51:26 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.

Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
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/hot


No it was wrong on a lot of levels. I'm a liberal free speech type but I was also in the military.

A.) he broke his oath
B.) If he had information of wrong doing he should have gone through his chain of command not some website
C.) he not only published wrong acts but also alot of other sensitive information that made our relationships harder across the world.
D.) he broke his oath

This goes for Snowden as well.
 
2013-07-31 04:06:45 PM  

Giltric: The government voluntarily stored that classified info on computers as per the 5th circuit court. The government is not protected from searches of its information.



<grin>
 
2013-07-31 04:16:34 PM  

danwinkler: Bradley Manning Scooter Libby is a hero, and this whole ordeal is a sad testament to what our nation has become. It's also a sad statement regarding the American people, that we (as a whole) lack the integrity to see what's right and wrong. They can spy on us We act all butthurt that the evil gubmint has access to the same personal information we volunteer to corporate Amerika, but we cant expose their crimes pretend that our own democratically elected evil gubmint doesn't have the right to keep secrets of its own? Pathetic. We don't deserve heroes like Manning and Snowden Bush and Cheney, but I hope we get more like them, anyways.


My world is umop-apisdn so it's like I'm reading in a mirror.

\DeathByGeekSquad is right about Assange using Manning and Snowden like toilet paper. They gave up their lives for nothing (since most people don't give a damn about what they leaked), while Julian continues to hide out in his Ecuadoran embassy, safe from U.S. prosecution.
 
2013-07-31 04:35:02 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Tyrone Slothrop: hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.

Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
/hot

No it was wrong on a lot of levels. I'm a liberal free speech type but I was also in the military.

A.) he broke his oath
B.) If he had information of wrong doing he should have gone through his chain of command not some website
C.) he not only published wrong acts but also alot of other sensitive information that made our relationships harder across the world.
D.) he broke his oath

This goes for Snowden as well.



A) If you start to realize the whole system is a farce and you've been lied to your whole life, keeping your "oath" is a sign of boot-licking servility at best, and stupidity at worst. Oath-breaking isn't just for politicians.

B) Working through the chain of command to get permission to release information that will paint the US in an unfavorable light? Are you shiatting me? You couldn't possibly have been in the military.

C) Tough noogies, US of A. Don't be a bully, don't be a fascist, don't be a dick.

D) see A
 
2013-07-31 04:44:55 PM  

SuperTramp: Move along, citizen, nothing to see here.

And anyway, isn't Big Brother on tonight?


Tonight, and every night...

/be seeing you
 
2013-07-31 04:47:18 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: All2morrowsparTs: Tyrone Slothrop: hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.

Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
/hot

No it was wrong on a lot of levels. I'm a liberal free speech type but I was also in the military.

A.) he broke his oath
B.) If he had information of wrong doing he should have gone through his chain of command not some website
C.) he not only published wrong acts but also alot of other sensitive information that made our relationships harder across the world.
D.) he broke his oath

This goes for Snowden as well.


A) If you start to realize the whole system is a farce and you've been lied to your whole life, keeping your "oath" is a sign of boot-licking servility at best, and stupidity at worst. Oath-breaking isn't just for politicians.

B) Working through the chain of command to get permission to release information that will paint the US in an unfavorable light? Are you shiatting me? You couldn't possibly have been in the military.

C) Tough noogies, US of A. Don't be a bully, don't be a fascist, don't be a dick.

D) see A


A) Good lord that is drama queen level whining. If you Joined the army there is at least some expectation of servitude, being the armed services and all. If he broake his oath than he better be a man and take his punishment. I mean a martyr is only a martyr if he spends some time suffering.

B) If he was truly a brave crusader he would have at least gone to the JAG or the IG. Again, if he wants to be martyr you gotta suffer.

C) Yah because some of the stuff that was let out let others be bigger bullies and dicks.

D) see A.
 
2013-07-31 05:30:25 PM  

DrPainMD: If the government can search our computers and copy our data, we can do the same. Manning, Assange and Snowden are real heroes.


That's probably the most specious reasoning ever presented in a Manning thread. Excellent work!
 
2013-07-31 06:18:02 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Lawyers With Nukes: All2morrowsparTs: Tyrone Slothrop: hinten: In other news, person does something illegal, gets prosecuted.

Of course, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
/hot

No it was wrong on a lot of levels. I'm a liberal free speech type but I was also in the military.

A.) he broke his oath
B.) If he had information of wrong doing he should have gone through his chain of command not some website
C.) he not only published wrong acts but also alot of other sensitive information that made our relationships harder across the world.
D.) he broke his oath

This goes for Snowden as well.


A) If you start to realize the whole system is a farce and you've been lied to your whole life, keeping your "oath" is a sign of boot-licking servility at best, and stupidity at worst. Oath-breaking isn't just for politicians.

B) Working through the chain of command to get permission to release information that will paint the US in an unfavorable light? Are you shiatting me? You couldn't possibly have been in the military.

C) Tough noogies, US of A. Don't be a bully, don't be a fascist, don't be a dick.

D) see A

A) Good lord that is drama queen level whining. If you Joined the army there is at least some expectation of servitude, being the armed services and all. If he broake his oath than he better be a man and take his punishment. I mean a martyr is only a martyr if he spends some time suffering.

B) If he was truly a brave crusader he would have at least gone to the JAG or the IG. Again, if he wants to be martyr you gotta suffer.

C) Yah because some of the stuff that was let out let others be bigger bullies and dicks.

D) see A.


<Shill detected>

Do you know how we know you're not a "liberal free speech type"?
 
2013-07-31 06:36:16 PM  

danwinkler: Bradley Manning is a hero, and this whole ordeal is a sad testament to what our nation has become. Its also a sad statement regarding the American people, that we (as a whole) lack the integrity to see whats right and wrong. They can spy on us, but we cant expose their crimes? Pathetic. We dont deserve heroes like Manning and Snowden, but I hope we get more like them, anyways.


Oh bull farking hooshiat.
Hero. One who breaks the law because he's a disaffected homosexual loner with emotional problems.
I don't get why or how these people can even qualify for a security clearance nowadays.
 
2013-07-31 08:48:12 PM  

Azteki: he gave us the collateral murder video in which a dozen innocent people (including children) were attacked by our military.
most lost their lives.

and the only justice we care to seek is to see the person that showed us this video tortured and imprisoned.

we are a sad, sad, lot


Soldiers will kill you and whoever you're walking around with if you point grenade launchers at them. As for the children, don't bring them into a battle and they won't get shot.
 
2013-07-31 09:19:12 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: DeathByGeekSquad: eiger: Fine, the kid broke the law, put him in prison. I assume prosecutions of high level government officials who regularly leak classified information for their own benefit will be pursued in the near future? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I wish, they're a big problem.

However, with this particular situation, people need to look at the larger picture.  Bradley is one of a few 'leakers' were who groomed/coached by Assange - who stands to profit from their activities.  They take all of the direct risk, he gets the fame/fortune.

We have established whistleblowing procedures in the US, if you have some shocking revelation, use the appropriate channels.  Don't contact someone out to use you until you're no longer useful.

This is best highlighted by the recent Snowden issue.  He got involved with Assange, who appears to have implied that he could get safe passage for him.  That fell through, because someone higher up the food chain didn't like the influence Assange had within his government.  Now, Snowden is left struggling.


Yes, if you have a shocking revelation be sure to use the appropriate channels. Because everyone up and down the food chain in said channel will surely do the right thing, jeopardize their paychecks and release shocking information about their own organization. Sure.

These guys knew what they were getting into. They fully realize that if you're lucky you'll get suicided by some mysterious means: robbery gone wrong, ricin pellet in the leg, cyber hack on your car making it crash uncontrollably in L.A., etc.

If you're unlucky and have gained too much publicity to merit a mysterious demise, you get the COINTELPRO treatment, a lifetime of torture in a 5'x5' concrete room, and maybe regular rapings by another inmate. Hey, that's rape by proxy, we didn't do it, our hands are clean! We contract that shiat out!

If you want to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs. Sometimes those eggs are you.


You have no idea what COINTELPRO was do you?
 
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