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2013-07-31 09:22:33 AM
I wish one manager would memorize the Earl Weaver "You're here and your crew is here just to fark us" rant and use it during a game. It is the "To be or not to be" of managerial batshiattery.

Over to you, Joe Maddon.
 
2013-07-31 09:25:49 AM
I was watching that game, and the call was bullshiat.  The Red Sox didn't do themselves any favors with the dumbass running mistake by Nava either.

This was the same series where Ortiz went all rage-y.  His conduct aside, which was reprehensible and he should be suspended for it, he did get screwed at the plate.
 
2013-07-31 09:45:21 AM
We can't have replay though because we need to preserve the important, historic tradition of fat, old guys ruining baseball games because they're either incompetent or egotistical.

Instituting a system whereby the correct call would be made would be worse than burning the Constitution and spreading the ashes over communist France.
 
2013-07-31 09:57:33 AM
It was a close call that he missed, you can't say he blew it.  There is no other mechanism in place other than a split second view with the naked eye.  I can see how Boston fans want to blame the ump, but if it was San Diego vs. Arizona you would see it like it really is.

Blame the system not the call.
 
2013-07-31 10:00:07 AM
More angles, more broadcast calls of the same play

http://wapc.mlb.com/tb/play/?tcid=mm_tb_vid&c_id=tb&content_id=29262 59 3
 
2013-07-31 10:18:05 AM

sigdiamond2000: We can't have replay though because we need to preserve the important, historic tradition of fat, old guys ruining baseball games because they're either incompetent or egotistical.

Instituting a system whereby the correct call would be made would be worse than burning the Constitution and spreading the ashes over communist France.


And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

Yes it is a business but it is also still just a game.  How many fans remember plays that were overturned on replays vs those games where a blown call lost or won their team a game.
 
2013-07-31 10:18:18 AM
Meals had plenty of time to get into better position instead of staring at the catcher's back.
 
2013-07-31 10:18:55 AM
Terrible call, but give it up for Molina for knowing exactly how to sell that play and block a decent view. Ump picked the worst possible spot to watch that play from.
 
2013-07-31 10:23:54 AM

blunto: It was a close call that he missed, you can't say he blew it.  There is no other mechanism in place other than a split second view with the naked eye.  I can see how Boston fans want to blame the ump, but if it was San Diego vs. Arizona you would see it like it really is.

Blame the system not the call.


That one is at least closer than some that have made the news in the last year or so. I can see how someone would miss that one. Wasn't there one just a month or two ago where you could see it was a bad call without replay?
 
2013-07-31 10:24:36 AM
They should publish the hotel where the umps are staying for every game.
 
2013-07-31 10:28:51 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Meals had plenty of time to get into better position instead of staring at the catcher's back.


I was thinking the same thing at first, but what's a better spot? He couldn't stand behind the plate in case the catcher missed or in front of the plate (obviously), and the runner was coming from the other side. I think he got in the right place to not interfere with the play, even if it wasn't the absolute best in terms of sight-lines.
 
2013-07-31 10:33:21 AM

Waldo Pepper: And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.


I love how the two most common arguments against instant replay are:

1) It will take too much time
2) It will remove the tradition of managers standing up for their players and arguing (and wasting time).


Replay would not be a noticeable time increase and by decreasing arguments (add a rule that if you argue a replay call you are immediately ejected and suspended 3 games) it will most likely speed up the game. The NFL system certainly has issues, but such as system would be stupid to add in MLB, you want hockey's. and since the replay will always be of very limited scope, doing it live will have minimal delays. This game certainly would have been sped up if an instant replay reversed the call and the manager stayed on his bench.
 
2013-07-31 10:48:27 AM

Waldo Pepper: sigdiamond2000: We can't have replay though because we need to preserve the important, historic tradition of fat, old guys ruining baseball games because they're either incompetent or egotistical.

Instituting a system whereby the correct call would be made would be worse than burning the Constitution and spreading the ashes over communist France.

And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

Yes it is a business but it is also still just a game.  How many fans remember plays that were overturned on replays vs those games where a blown call lost or won their team a game.


In the time it takes to bring the next batter up to bat, the TV broadcasters can show people at home what, four or five different angles?  Why not have an off-field official review the tape?  If he sees someone screw something up, he can fix it.
 
2013-07-31 10:55:19 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Meals had plenty of time to get into better position instead of staring at the catcher's back.


Jerry Meals was right on top of the plate in Atlanta and he farked that up too
 
2013-07-31 10:55:32 AM
Without instant replay many people just about die over how unfair the world is. DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE FROM SAD ANGER MLB? DO YOU????!!!??? These people take mood enhancing drugs just to get over it MLB! YOU are the cause of increased MED use amongst civilians!
 
2013-07-31 10:56:21 AM
How did I know that was going to be the play before I even clicked on the link.

/Saw it live on TV and even I could tell he f'ed it up
//Damn Jerry Meals is terrible
 
2013-07-31 11:33:56 AM
oh fer farksake, if you care even the slightest about either team this play has been on a loop on sports center for about two days.

yes, the ump got the call wrong because of where he was positioned.  umps aren't going to be in the perfect spot to see everything 100% of the time.
 
2013-07-31 11:46:04 AM

dywed88: Waldo Pepper: And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

I love how the two most common arguments against instant replay are:

1) It will take too much time
2) It will remove the tradition of managers standing up for their players and arguing (and wasting time).


Replay would not be a noticeable time increase and by decreasing arguments (add a rule that if you argue a replay call you are immediately ejected and suspended 3 games) it will most likely speed up the game. The NFL system certainly has issues, but such as system would be stupid to add in MLB, you want hockey's. and since the replay will always be of very limited scope, doing it live will have minimal delays. This game certainly would have been sped up if an instant replay reversed the call and the manager stayed on his bench.


Hockey's is just used for goals and there is always a stoppage in play after a goal or suspected goal.

There is no place in Baseball for replays not everything is made better by technology.  Imagine how horrible the game will become and how lazy the umps will be after you take away their need to be fast and accurate.

Again I give you the NFL and what replay has done to the decision making of the refs. Now we have a game where their is stoppage of play for 5 minutes while the "refs get it right"  Play the game they way it was meant to be played.

As someone stated above, part of baseball is the defensive player being in position to block the Umps view if need and the offensive player being able to sell being safe. 

The Human element on all sides is what makes baseball a beautiful game and the NFL taking away the human element is what is driving the NFL into the No Fun league
 
2013-07-31 11:49:00 AM
I strongly suspect that Jerry Meals is betting on baseball, and rigging games with these calls. He needs to be investigated.
 
2013-07-31 11:49:02 AM
Eh, there have been worse blown calls.

/Bring the replay anyway.
 
2013-07-31 11:50:51 AM

Waldo Pepper: The Human element on all sides is what makes baseball a beautiful game and the NFL taking away the human element is what is driving the NFL into the No Fun league


Which clearly explains why MLB is killing it in the ratings while the NFL is fighting for viewers.
 
2013-07-31 11:50:52 AM
Go Rays!
 
2013-07-31 11:53:50 AM

Waldo Pepper: dywed88: Waldo Pepper: And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

I love how the two most common arguments against instant replay are:

1) It will take too much time
2) It will remove the tradition of managers standing up for their players and arguing (and wasting time).


Replay would not be a noticeable time increase and by decreasing arguments (add a rule that if you argue a replay call you are immediately ejected and suspended 3 games) it will most likely speed up the game. The NFL system certainly has issues, but such as system would be stupid to add in MLB, you want hockey's. and since the replay will always be of very limited scope, doing it live will have minimal delays. This game certainly would have been sped up if an instant replay reversed the call and the manager stayed on his bench.

Hockey's is just used for goals and there is always a stoppage in play after a goal or suspected goal.

There is no place in Baseball for replays not everything is made better by technology.  Imagine how horrible the game will become and how lazy the umps will be after you take away their need to be fast and accurate.

Again I give you the NFL and what replay has done to the decision making of the refs. Now we have a game where their is stoppage of play for 5 minutes while the "refs get it right"  Play the game they way it was meant to be played.

As someone stated above, part of baseball is the defensive player being in position to block the Umps view if need and the offensive player being able to sell being safe. 

The Human element on all sides is what makes baseball a beautiful game and the NFL taking away the human element is what is driving the NFL into the No Fun league


There's plenty of time between batters for someone to review tape.  We see it at home.  Every single batter gets like 3-5 replays before the next one is up to bat.  It wouldn't increase the game time one bit to have an off-field official review the play every time.

Baseball isn't a beautiful game because umps fark up.  No one is there to see Jerry Meals or Angel Hernandez or Chad Fairchild or Jim Joyce screw a team out of a run or a perfect game or toss the game's best hitter from the game.  The game is beautiful when you don't even realize the umps are there.
 
2013-07-31 11:57:15 AM
Umpires already don't have a need to be "fast and accurate" because there are zero consequences for blowing obvious calls, incorrectly applying rules, and picking fights with players and managers
 
2013-07-31 11:58:25 AM
I'm guessing this is the play at the plate that affected the outcome of the AL East standings and leader.  Not that the Red Sox would have won, but I'm sure that one gave enough attention to the right people.
 
2013-07-31 12:13:07 PM
Umpires blow calls every day, but the one time in the past 100 years that a call has actually gone against the RedSox, ESPN decides to devote 1,000 hours on the subject, as if it were a guarantee that the Sox would have won that game in the 9th inning or later.

Get over it, Boston.  Until MLB lets the A's replay their game against the Indians with a tie game after allowing Rosales homer, we don't have a lot of sympathy for you.

And Jeremy Giambi was safe in 2001, too.  Fark the entire world!!
 
2013-07-31 12:15:21 PM
Replay - because nothing adds more excitement to a game than looking for the flag every time something happens.

/safe?  out?  he ain't nothing until the ump calls it
 
2013-07-31 12:30:31 PM

R.A.Danny: They should publish the hotel where the umps are staying for every game.


Naah... Umpires can make dumb calls, but they're "honest" dumb calls. I'd never question the actual integrity of a MLB umpire. Except Angel Hernandez. That guy is a grudge-carrying, vindictive, mendacious insult to the game. He's not an inept umpire, he's corrupt.
 
2013-07-31 12:39:22 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Naah... Umpires can make dumb calls, but they're "honest" dumb calls. I'd never question the actual integrity of a MLB umpire.


"Please do not shoot the umpire. He is doing the best he can."


- Actual sign outside a Kansas city baseball game in the 1890s
 
2013-07-31 12:47:18 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Naah... Umpires can make dumb calls, but they're "honest" dumb calls. I'd never question the actual integrity of a MLB umpire.

"Please do not shoot the umpire. He is doing the best he can."


- Actual sign outside a Kansas city baseball game in the 1890s


Did you notice the pitching match-up for today's A's-Blue Jay's game? Colon vs. Dickey. Marquee game, and... It's. Not. Being. Televised.
 
2013-07-31 12:53:10 PM
Striking out with runners on second and third to end the game?

50-plus games left?

Non-issue.
 
2013-07-31 12:54:18 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Striking out with runners on second and third to end the game?

50-plus games left?

Non-issue.


Also, it's been done.
 
2013-07-31 12:56:39 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Did you notice the pitching match-up for today's A's-Blue Jay's game? Colon vs. Dickey. Marquee game, and... It's. Not. Being. Televised.


Haha. I knew Steroidal was on the bump for my boys today, but did not know the opposing pitcher. Gentlemen, set your joke phasers to.... grade school!
 
2013-07-31 01:03:38 PM

Demetrius: This was the same series where Ortiz went all rage-y.


Uh, you know that Ortiz blew up in Baltimore, and this game was in Boston was against the Rays, right?

Other than that, yeah, it was the same series.
 
2013-07-31 01:13:37 PM
Yeah, I realized that afterwards. I am a dope.
 
2013-07-31 01:41:44 PM

LessO2: Demetrius: This was the same series where Ortiz went all rage-y.

Uh, you know that Ortiz blew up in Baltimore, and this game was in Boston was against the Rays, right?

Other than that, yeah, it was the same series.


See, you're doing exactly what Shaughnessy is talking about!  You're overlooking Ortiz because he's a Boston sports icon.  It was a poor decision and a poor example and you're giving him a pass.  Even if this is the wrong thread!
 
2013-07-31 01:49:57 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Did you notice the pitching match-up for today's A's-Blue Jay's game? Colon vs. Dickey. Marquee game, and... It's. Not. Being. Televised.

Haha. I knew Steroidal was on the bump for my boys today, but did not know the opposing pitcher. Gentlemen, set your joke phasers to.... grade school!


Will they both succumb to Dix?
 
2013-07-31 02:11:46 PM
After 10? or so losing seasons, I can see why the Ray Fans are finally coming out of the wood work they actually have a shot to blow it in the play off.
 
2013-07-31 02:30:20 PM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Did you notice the pitching match-up for today's A's-Blue Jay's game? Colon vs. Dickey. Marquee game, and... It's. Not. Being. Televised.

My favorite headline in the Orange County Register

COLON POUNDED AGAIN
 
2013-07-31 02:55:29 PM
Waldo Pepper:

Again I give you the NFL and what replay has done to the decision making of the refs. Now we have a game where their is stoppage of play for 5 minutes while the "refs get it right"  Play the game they way it was meant to be played.

I think the referees take too long to review instant replay (it should be done upstairs), but I will gladly wait for the correct call to be made versus letting the incorrect call stand because "it's meant to be like that". NFL has no tradition like MLB - they change the rules every year, for God's sake. And I love it. Nothing pisses me off more than an incorrect call.

The Human element on all sides is what makes baseball a beautiful game and the NFL taking away the human element is what is driving the NFL into the No Fun league

Humans are inconsistent and easily fooled. That's what makes games of all kinds fun, but I do not want those attributes in referees. That is not fun.
 
2013-07-31 03:06:32 PM
I didn't think it was that bad of a call - probably wrong but it's nowhere near some of the incompetence we've seen this year.
 
2013-07-31 03:28:03 PM

Treygreen13: I didn't think it was that bad of a call - probably wrong but it's nowhere near some of the incompetence we've seen this year.


It was a close play. What made it egregious was how out of position the umpire was. Just like the players, there is no excuse for an umpire's lack of hustle.
 
2013-07-31 03:36:21 PM

steveGswine: Replay - because nothing adds more excitement to a game than looking for the flag every time something happens.

/safe?  out?  he ain't nothing until the ump calls it


Terrible argument.  He was safe, the ump called him out.  Replay would have allowed him to see that, and correct it.

Use replay only be on close calls like this, not balls/strikes.   I just don't understand the opposition to replay.  Institute it, the umps can view it again, then make a decision.  Putting a 90 second time limit solves the issue of "lengthening the game".  Put it in, and managers can't argue with the call after they review it.  Even in football, it could still be a bad call and coaches could still be pissed, but the game goes on.
 
2013-07-31 03:44:41 PM

Waldo Pepper: dywed88: Waldo Pepper: And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

I love how the two most common arguments against instant replay are:

1) It will take too much time
2) It will remove the tradition of managers standing up for their players and arguing (and wasting time).


Replay would not be a noticeable time increase and by decreasing arguments (add a rule that if you argue a replay call you are immediately ejected and suspended 3 games) it will most likely speed up the game. The NFL system certainly has issues, but such as system would be stupid to add in MLB, you want hockey's. and since the replay will always be of very limited scope, doing it live will have minimal delays. This game certainly would have been sped up if an instant replay reversed the call and the manager stayed on his bench.

Hockey's is just used for goals and there is always a stoppage in play after a goal or suspected goal.

There is no place in Baseball for replays not everything is made better by technology.  Imagine how horrible the game will become and how lazy the umps will be after you take away their need to be fast and accurate.

Again I give you the NFL and what replay has done to the decision making of the refs. Now we have a game where their is stoppage of play for 5 minutes while the "refs get it right"  Play the game they way it was meant to be played.

As someone stated above, part of baseball is the defensive player being in position to block the Umps view if need and the offensive player being able to sell being safe. 

The Human element on all sides is what makes baseball a beautiful game and the NFL taking away the human element is what is driving the NFL into the No Fun league


You realize there is a break between every play in a ball game?

Most of the issues the replays show the audience (even those at the field) the error before the next pitch is thrown.

As I said, you have a replay official he can overturn this call in far less time than having the manager shouting at the umpire. It would have saved time.
 
2013-07-31 03:48:58 PM

dywed88: Most of the issues the replays show the audience (even those at the field) the error before the next pitch is thrown.


They generally don't how replays of "close" plays at the stadium.  I always have to get my phone out and use my slingbox to rewind the game to see how bad the calls are.
 
2013-07-31 03:51:25 PM
*show
 
2013-07-31 03:52:44 PM
If Meals gets anywhere near umping in the post season it will be a travesty.
 
2013-07-31 03:58:27 PM

Arpeggi760: steveGswine: Replay - because nothing adds more excitement to a game than looking for the flag every time something happens.

/safe?  out?  he ain't nothing until the ump calls it

Terrible argument.  He was safe, the ump called him out.  Replay would have allowed him to see that, and correct it.

Use replay only be on close calls like this, not balls/strikes.   I just don't understand the opposition to replay.  Institute it, the umps can view it again, then make a decision.  Putting a 90 second time limit solves the issue of "lengthening the game".  Put it in, and managers can't argue with the call after they review it.  Even in football, it could still be a bad call and coaches could still be pissed, but the game goes on.


Frankly, I'd rather have a computerized system calling a consistent strike zone than having umps do it but that's a completely different conversation.

As far as reviews -- don't have the guys on the field handle it.  Do it like they do in hockey; an extra official reviews every play and if there's something that needs to be handled, he buzzes the home plate ump and lets him know what's happened.
 
2013-07-31 04:42:40 PM

dywed88: Waldo Pepper: And it should stay as much of a game and not a game of replays as long as possible.  These Umps make the correct call something like 98% of the time. They are part of the game.  Football has become almost unbearable at times with how long the refs take to make a call as they live in fear of being wrong on replay.

I love how the two most common arguments against instant replay are:

1) It will take too much time
2) It will remove the tradition of managers standing up for their players and arguing (and wasting time).


Replay would not be a noticeable time increase and by decreasing arguments (add a rule that if you argue a replay call you are immediately ejected and suspended 3 games) it will most likely speed up the game. The NFL system certainly has issues, but such as system would be stupid to add in MLB, you want hockey's. and since the replay will always be of very limited scope, doing it live will have minimal delays. This game certainly would have been sped up if an instant replay reversed the call and the manager stayed on his bench.


Same argument against the DH. "Durrr...it's how we've always done it. We don't know how to do it diff-urnt!"
 
2013-07-31 04:47:29 PM
Still no replay on home plate calls?

The 3 Tampa fans will call for it the second it costs their team a big game.
 
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