give me doughnuts: This is even stupider than the Citizens United decision.
Mikey1969: Gun ownership and freedom of religion are the only two that are reasonably intact, and pretty soon it will just be freedom of religion...
BraveNewCheneyWorld: we need to THROW THESE PEOPLE OUT OF OFFICE! Wtf is wrong with us?
Flargan: Others have argued in the recent NSA debacle that the power of the Executive during a time of war grants authority to override a great deal of existing laws. I think that's a pretty broad way of looking at Executive powers but I suppose it's worth discussing.
Mikey1969: Deneb81: Mikey1969: Bendal: What if you use your phone only in the privacy of your home? Is the data still not covered under the 4th Amendment?You aren't getting it... You HAVE no privacy "in your own home", since that situation is totally voluntary. Using this logic, they could follow you and listen anywhere, except when the government actively forces you to be there, and if you got up and walked in a room by yourself, I'm sure that could be seen as "voluntary", and anything you do wouldn't be private.No no no.Info you have to volunteer to the phone company JUST SO THEY CAN CONNECT YOUR CALL is not content:1) I am here.2) I want to make a call3) I want this other number to receive the callThe 4th protects content not THAT you made a call.You don't "volunteer" that information at all. Just by walking around all day, your phone is trading off location data, smart phone or dumb, it is constantly telling the towers where it is, there is no "voluntary" about it. It happens as long as the phone is on.The point that you don't seem to be getting is the "voluntary" part. If that is the main criteria they use, then nothing you do is safe, because pretty much EVERYthing you do is "voluntary", and this WILL be twisted to expand past simply gathering your phone location, a little bit at first, and then more and more and more.
FarkedOver: phenn: FarkedOver: neversubmit: But it's the conspiracy nuts that are crazy, yeah right!Yes, they are.Except for the part where they were right about shiat like this.Which still doesn't change the fact that they are crazy and should be marginalized for their bat-shiattery.
qorkfiend: Karac: When you use a cell phone, you're volunteering certain information to Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc, etc, etc. Now maybe I missed a few articles, but I'm not aware that Uncle Sam bought out any of those providers.Uncle Sam doesn't have to own it to ask it for records, you know.
FarkedOver: neversubmit: But it's the conspiracy nuts that are crazy, yeah right!Yes, they are.
Deneb81: "For records showing WHERE they have been used"Not what was said.You provide your location to your provider without restriction when your phone sends a request for a line. That's NOT the same as content, and NOT the same thing as face to face speech.It's like sending a letter with a return address then gettin upset the government knows who you sent it to, where you put your address as, and where you mailed it from. No shiat - you put that on the envelope in order to mail it and put it in the mailbox! You 'volunteered' that information!
Deneb81: In what way?
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