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(Science Recorder)   The bad news: A runaway greenhouse effect is possible on Earth. The good news: Humans won't be responsible   (sciencerecorder.com) divider line 10
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2013-07-31 10:56:21 AM
2 votes:
What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?
2013-08-01 09:47:12 AM
1 votes:

prjindigo: It DOES expand. The atmosphere would expand and all blow away in the solar wind long before we reached such a temperature.


Yeah, like on Venus with its tenuous atmosphere?
2013-08-01 04:42:40 AM
1 votes:

DarwiOdrade: AGW is to runaway greenhouse effect as a bulldozer is to plate tectonics

This article isn't trying to say anything about AGW, so can we stop the usual climate change antics now?


The relevence to sceptics is that it helps to clarify the vastly different amounts of CO2 on Earth and Venusm and the vast differences in the amount (and nature) of greenhouse effect in play. This is good. It helps dispel rumours put about by alarmists in the past that Earth will become Venus.
2013-08-01 04:34:56 AM
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HighZoolander: Suddenly deniers believe what (they think) scientists are saying.


So which is it? Are sceptics wrong in what they thing scientists are saying?

Or are they right, but somehow invalid for believing some scientists more than others?

Having split out your double-barrelled comment into its constituent parts, I see that each is weak and feeble. Conjoining multiple weak arguments to make one that looks strong is a comm on trick among climate alarmists. IPCC reports contain thousands of weak arguments without ever once *really* justifying the alarmism.

It has to do I think with a post-modern notion that all arguments should be equally valid or at least that there should not be absolutes of truth, which reduces the differential merit of arguments. With that in place it becomes a war of numbers, most clearly seen in the ridiculous non-sense filled "sceptical science" propaganda site.

But of course, if you can think up one weak argument, you can think up a hundred, but that;s still miles away from even a single good argument. So the whole thing reamins weak and feeble.
2013-07-31 02:36:06 PM
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Jarhead_h: GoldSpider: What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?

By better you mean one where everyone has rationed electricity, requires a child permit to procreate, is vegetarian, all dead bodies are processed for fertilizer, lives in a 500 sq ft apartment in a sectored mega-city, and has a ration limit on there purchases based on their "carbon allotment?"  Because that's the world being pushed to combat global cooli-warmi-climate chan- venus... fark it I'm just gonna call it manbearpig. That's the dystopian hellhole where this road leads.  That's your BETTER WORLD that the Malthusians chicken-littling all of this want.


Damn man, I've heard of setting up and knocking down strawmen, but you nuked that farker from orbit.
2013-07-31 02:14:46 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?


By better you mean one where everyone has rationed electricity, requires a child permit to procreate, is vegetarian, all dead bodies are processed for fertilizer, lives in a 500 sq ft apartment in a sectored mega-city, and has a ration limit on there purchases based on their "carbon allotment?"  Because that's the world being pushed to combat global cooli-warmi-climate chan- venus... fark it I'm just gonna call it manbearpig. That's the dystopian hellhole where this road leads.  That's your BETTER WORLD that the Malthusians chicken-littling all of this want.
2013-07-31 01:20:33 PM
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GoldSpider: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Better is a subjective term, you may like different things than I.

Personally I'm a fan of less pollution, cleaner air, more efficient technology, and saving money, but I understand that sort of thing isn't for everybody.


Yeah, I'm learning that lots of people are for that in their immediate area, but fark someone living in a less affluent area.

"Put it where the poors are" is SOP for anything NIMBYs don't want anything built near them.  Then they complain about having to drive long distances to get to anything, so you propose to put a new bus route in for them.

But don't cause any more traffic congestion!  And for godsakes, don't you dare widen that road.  Bike lanes?!?  Not in their neighborhood!  Actually connecting the west side and east side of town with a new road saving them 20-30 minutes of travel time?  FARK THAT*!!!!

I live close to work, but in choosing that, I live surrounded by 90% of the industry in a city of 150K.  I get rained on by the steam plume from an MDF plant when I ride my bike to work.  Thankfully it's just water and sawdust, but EWW!!!

//Rant done.

*Seriously, people are fighting a connector street that changes driving not just around the hill but way out of their way to go around it, to going over it, and it would save them 20 minutes of drive time.  Why are they fighting it?  Because the rest of the city could also use it, and fark those people, that's why.
2013-07-31 11:17:03 AM
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PirateKing: ITT: People who confuse 'runaway' with 'existing' and insist that because we can't cause a 'runaway', we can't cause the greenhouse effect at all.


This.  This article has nothing to do with man-made climate change.  It's describing what's been known for a long time, they're just saying we will enter the catastrophic zone a little bit earlier than previously thought.
2013-07-31 10:48:11 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: But it's going to to happen, is happening, and there isn't a goddamn thing humans can do about it.


That has absolutely nothing to do with what this study was about.
2013-07-31 10:42:52 AM
1 votes:
Yep.
You can argue the causes of climate change, scream and stamp your feet that it's not happening all you want....whatever.
But it's going to to happen, is happening, and there isn't a goddamn thing humans can do about it.
 
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