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2013-07-31 03:14:36 AM
fta He was also involuntarily taken to a mental health facility, police said. The extent of his commitment is unknown.

Hopefully 100%. What, are they going to leave a foot or a leg outside?
 
2013-07-31 03:34:44 AM

Notabunny: fta He was also involuntarily taken to a mental health facility, police said. The extent of his commitment is unknown.

Hopefully 100%. What, are they going to leave a foot or a leg outside?


Maybe they doubt his commitment to Sparklemotion.
 
2013-07-31 07:14:29 AM
It will if you stay there.
 
2013-07-31 07:24:40 AM
I'm confused.  Were the demons limited to his room because it makes no sense to start a fire in the closet to rid it of them.

I'm not saying I know exactly what to do in this instance but certainly lighting a fire in the closet is not the most efficient way to rid your room of demons.
 
2013-07-31 07:25:43 AM
Of course it won't help things. Fire opens a gate into Hell and conjures more of them.
 
2013-07-31 07:29:07 AM
Maybe the closet was their gateway in, in which case you need an explosion of some sort to close it.
 
2013-07-31 07:29:36 AM
I've been really high and gotten stuck in a time loop in front of my closet so I'm getting a kick out of this thread....
 
2013-07-31 07:30:56 AM

The Muthaship: It will if you stay there.


Sounds like he tried.
 
2013-07-31 07:33:04 AM
This is what happens if you watch Monsters, Inc. too many times.
 
2013-07-31 07:33:35 AM
But what if it did?

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2013-07-31 07:33:43 AM

Prince George: The Muthaship: It will if you stay there.

Sounds like he tried.


Reminds me of the old joke:

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for one night.

Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
 
2013-07-31 07:35:51 AM
Oh yeah your Honor?!?! Well then how would YOU get rid of the demons?
 
2013-07-31 07:36:59 AM
Dude, demons are immune to fire. Says so on page 40 of the monster manual.
 
2013-07-31 07:39:13 AM

chaddsfarkprefect: I'm confused.  Were the demons limited to his room because it makes no sense to start a fire in the closet to rid it of them.

I'm not saying I know exactly what to do in this instance but certainly lighting a fire in the closet is not the most efficient way to rid your room of demons.


No, the closet is the gateway. That's where you stop 'em.
 
2013-07-31 07:41:53 AM

wickedragon: Dude, demons are immune to fire. Says so on page 40 of the monster manual.


Even simple logic would prove it since demons come from hell.  Ya know, the eternal bonfire.
 
2013-07-31 07:42:51 AM
I read the headline as a room full of Demond's
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2013-07-31 07:45:55 AM
He shoulda called Ghostbusters.
 
2013-07-31 07:47:44 AM
Good things about hell.

1. None of that annoying check-in procedure like with St. Peter.
2. Due to recent health code changes, vats of boiling brimstone now use low-fat canola oil. (Although you can still get olive oil if you know the right demons).
3. Your "Do you smell something burning?" slays 'em, year after year.
4. Plenty of legal help available for filing "wrongful death" lawsuit.
5. Satan's confused attempts to torture masochists can be highly entertaining.
6. Prizes awarded for best crank phone calls to God.
7. Everywhere you look, there's a smoking section!
8. Your little "blue flame" trick now produces spectacular results.
 
2013-07-31 07:49:58 AM
"The extent of his commitment is unknown."

I don't know he seems pretty committed to his demon fighting.
 
2013-07-31 07:50:47 AM
Was he expecting track lighting instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjTd04W3v2o
 
2013-07-31 07:51:53 AM
The Muthaship:

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for one night.

Set a man on fire, and Tunisia will erupt into civil unrest spreading a carpet of political upheaval all over the middle east.


Fixed it for you.
 
2013-07-31 07:55:22 AM
Why was he arrested? Is it illegal to burn down your own house? It's his house after all.
 
2013-07-31 07:56:56 AM
I want to laugh, but I've been the roommate of that guy.  He starts out as the nice, polite and slightly-more-religious-than-you're comfortable-with-but-not-exactly-a-fundamentalist-type guy you have no problem introducing to your friends and family.  Then a few months later, you find out that actually he has schizophrenia and is off his meds when he starts harassing your neighbors and your other roommates with tales of his visions of the Devil being in the shower with him, and of God, who is telling him all sinners- which includes said neighbors and roommates- need to repent or they should die.  Not a comfortable situation.  This definitely sounds like a version of that.  I am definitely sympathetic to people with schizophrenia, so I hope I'm not coming off as callous, but that is a disease that can get serious quickly if someone who needs medication goes off them.  Glad he's getting help.
 
2013-07-31 07:57:01 AM

1000Airplanes: Why was he arrested? Is it illegal to burn down your own house? It's his house after all.


Probably can't even have a campfire in his yard, much less burn down his house.
 
2013-07-31 07:58:34 AM
My evil monkey keeps the demons out.
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2013-07-31 08:10:22 AM

MadWoman: I want to laugh, but I've been the roommate of that guy.  He starts out as the nice, polite and slightly-more-religious-than-you're comfortable-with-but-not-exactly-a-fundamentalist-type guy you have no problem introducing to your friends and family.  Then a few months later, you find out that actually he has schizophrenia and is off his meds when he starts harassing your neighbors and your other roommates with tales of his visions of the Devil being in the shower with him, and of God, who is telling him all sinners- which includes said neighbors and roommates- need to repent or they should die.  Not a comfortable situation.  This definitely sounds like a version of that.  I am definitely sympathetic to people with schizophrenia, so I hope I'm not coming off as callous, but that is a disease that can get serious quickly if someone who needs medication goes off them.  Glad he's getting help.


I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).
 
2013-07-31 08:14:11 AM
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2013-07-31 08:16:52 AM

wickedragon: I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).


I have an Aunt who is borderline schizophrenic and is mostly functional on low level psychotropics, however won't prevent her psychotic breaks that she periodically will have. The problem is that the drugs that do prevent her from having her psychotic breaks also put her into such a depressive state that she is for all purposes a non functional human being, she would literally forget to eat if it were not for my uncle taking care of her.

I don't know how one could live like that, and perfectly understand why one would eat the barrel of a shotgun if forced to pick between a world of crazy or a world where you brain is pea soup
 
2013-07-31 08:30:30 AM

VenomousDuck: Maybe the closet was their gateway in, in which case you need an explosion of some sort to close it.


You have to roll Fight or Lore, no weapons.

//obscure?
 
2013-07-31 08:34:59 AM
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2013-07-31 08:43:15 AM
I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).

I have an Aunt who is borderline schizophrenic and is mostly functional on low level psychotropics, however won't prevent her psychotic breaks that she periodically will have. The problem is that the drugs that do prevent her from having her psychotic breaks also put her into such a depressive state that she is for all purposes a non functional human being, she would literally forget to eat if it were not for my uncle taking care of her.

I don't know how one could live like that, and perfectly understand why one would eat the barrel of a shotgun if forced to pick between a world of crazy or a world where you brain is pea soup

I was hoping that by putting in the "needs meds" qualifier there I would be indicating that I by no means think every person with schizophrenia, or a mental disorder at all for that matter, should be drugged up.  Like you guys, I know people who feel like zombies when they are on their drugs and hate taking them.  It's an incredibly cruel disease that way.  The point I was hoping to make was rather that when it gets to the point where someone does something like this that endangers those around them, it's important to consider potential mental health explanations, and that in some cases drugs can help and are necessary for the person to not be a danger to the safety of others.  I absolutely grant that when examined as a whole, there are important discussions to have regarding whether or not the current drugs available allow for a decent quality of life for patients, and how the negative side effects of drugs for the patient can be balanced with the potential for harm if the patient is not on drugs (I'm speaking here of course about those with violent tendencies that accompany their hallucinations- I realize not all people with schizophrenia are violent).
 
2013-07-31 09:00:35 AM
wickedragon: MadWoman: I want to laugh, but I've been the roommate of that guy.  He starts out as the nice, polite and slightly-more-religious-than-you're comfortable-with-but-not-exactly-a-fundamentalist-type guy you have no problem introducing to your friends and family.  Then a few months later, you find out that actually he has schizophrenia and is off his meds when he starts harassing your neighbors and your other roommates with tales of his visions of the Devil being in the shower with him, and of God, who is telling him all sinners- which includes said neighbors and roommates- need to repent or they should die.  Not a comfortable situation.  This definitely sounds like a version of that.  I am definitely sympathetic to people with schizophrenia, so I hope I'm not coming off as callous, but that is a disease that can get serious quickly if someone who needs medication goes off them.  Glad he's getting help.

I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).


And that's your attitude on this.  Others such as my self, have a far different take on this.  There's a nine year old girl that's been resting in her grave in MIddletown CT since the late 1980's because she was stabbed to death while attending a Main St Festival, a harmless event sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce.  She was stabbed in the heart by a person that "didn't like the way the drugs made them feel".  It was over so fast the policeman standing not ten feet away or the mother standing next to her could do anything about any of it.

Sorry for your disability, take your F**kin' pills or go rot in the hospital.

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2013-07-31 09:16:32 AM

Marcintosh: wickedragon: MadWoman: I want to laugh, but I've been the roommate of that guy.  He starts out as the nice, polite and slightly-more-religious-than-you're comfortable-with-but-not-exactly-a-fundamentalist-type guy you have no problem introducing to your friends and family.  Then a few months later, you find out that actually he has schizophrenia and is off his meds when he starts harassing your neighbors and your other roommates with tales of his visions of the Devil being in the shower with him, and of God, who is telling him all sinners- which includes said neighbors and roommates- need to repent or they should die.  Not a comfortable situation.  This definitely sounds like a version of that.  I am definitely sympathetic to people with schizophrenia, so I hope I'm not coming off as callous, but that is a disease that can get serious quickly if someone who needs medication goes off them.  Glad he's getting help.

I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).

And that's your attitude on this.  Others such as my self, have a far different take on this.  There's a nine year old girl that's been resting in her grave in MIddletown CT since the late 1980's because she was stabbed to death while attending a Main St Festival, a harmless event sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce.  She was stabbed in the heart by a person that "didn't like the way the drugs made them feel".  It was over so fast the policeman standing not ten feet away or ...


the bulk of people with mental health problems do not have violent tendencies. seeing you have a large reaction to one little girl who was killed by a mental patient while off their meds, you must go absolutely ballistic every time you walk past a bar or package goods store. there are drunks and innocents killed across the country every night thanks to alcohol and poor judgement.
meanwhile, you're just one odd fender bender or a trip down a few stairs from going Special Ed yourself. count your blessings you were born supposedly sane. and when you grow up learn what 'sympathy' and 'empathy' means.
 
2013-07-31 09:18:16 AM

wickedragon: The Muthaship:

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for one night.

Set a man on fire, and Tunisia will erupt into civil unrest spreading a carpet of political upheaval all over the middle east.

Fixed it for you.


Laos is in a state of chaos.
 
2013-07-31 09:18:49 AM

Marcintosh: wickedragon: MadWoman: I want to laugh, but I've been the roommate of that guy.  He starts out as the nice, polite and slightly-more-religious-than-you're comfortable-with-but-not-exactly-a-fundamentalist-type guy you have no problem introducing to your friends and family.  Then a few months later, you find out that actually he has schizophrenia and is off his meds when he starts harassing your neighbors and your other roommates with tales of his visions of the Devil being in the shower with him, and of God, who is telling him all sinners- which includes said neighbors and roommates- need to repent or they should die.  Not a comfortable situation.  This definitely sounds like a version of that.  I am definitely sympathetic to people with schizophrenia, so I hope I'm not coming off as callous, but that is a disease that can get serious quickly if someone who needs medication goes off them.  Glad he's getting help.

I've met and talked to three schizophrenics, and two of them refused to take their medication for any prolonged time. And I understand them completely. I went to college with one of them and seeing her on her meds were depressing. It was like someone had taken a particularly exhausting run and then smoked some pot. She might as well not have been there. The one who were on her meds said she was so far off without them that she wasn't going to stop taking them, ever. The third person stopped taking his meds after suffering a stroke from taking them (doctor's conclusions, not his own).

And that's your attitude on this.  Others such as my self, have a far different take on this.  There's a nine year old girl that's been resting in her grave in MIddletown CT since the late 1980's because she was stabbed to death while attending a Main St Festival, a harmless event sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce.  She was stabbed in the heart by a person that "didn't like the way the drugs made them feel".  It was over so fast the policeman standing not ten feet away or ...


The two people I met who didn't take their meds were high-functioning. One was a student (got her masters and now works at a uni; still doesn't take her meds) and the other worked every day of his life until a second stroke confined him to the care of his wife (the second stroke was also attributed to prolonged use of his medication). Forcing these two to take their meds would have utterly ruined their lives. Are their lives worth nothing to you?
Sure, some schizophrenics should be forced to take their drugs if they are to be allowed to stay outside of a confined area.The problem is finding out which schizophrenics that should be. If you just say that all of them should be forced to take the drugs the increases in fatal stroke victims alone would outnumber the murder tally by schizophrenics easily every single year. And the cost of treating for the stroke victims that didn't die would be much higher than the cost of treating the worst schizophrenics are today.
All in all, I can't see that forcing those meds on all schizophrenics would lead to anything good at all.
 
2013-07-31 09:38:14 AM
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2013-07-31 10:00:14 AM

KrispyKritter: Marcintosh: wickedragon: MadWoman: I *snip*

And that's your attitude on this.  Others such as my self, have a far different take on this.  There's a nine year old girl that's been resting in her grave in MIddletown CT since the late 1980's because she was stabbed to death while attending a Main St Festival, a harmless event sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce.  She was stabbed in the heart by a person that "didn't like the way the drugs made them feel".  It was over so fast the policeman standing not ten f ...


the bulk of people with mental health problems do not have violent tendencies. seeing you have a large reaction to one little girl who was killed by a mental patient while off their meds, you must go absolutely ballistic every time you walk past a bar or package goods store. there are drunks and innocents killed across the country every night thanks to alcohol and poor judgement.
meanwhile, you're just one odd fender bender or a trip down a few stairs from going Special Ed yourself. count your blessings you were born supposedly sane. and when you grow up learn what 'sympathy' and 'empathy' means.

Poor choice of phrasing? or callous to children's deaths?
Having dealt with mental health issues in others, it's my experience that your opinion is incorrect.  Humans are animals, when animals get confused they become belligerent or in that case violent.
Special Ed (your term) from TBI is not mental illness.

There is no cure for mental illness.  None.  You can't "get better", it's not a cold or a virus, it doesn't "go away".  It's like Diabetes, you can take meds for it or not, your choice.  Not fair to gamble with society at large just because you "don't like the way they make you feel", not fair at all.


wickedragon: *snip*

The two people I met who didn't take their meds were high-functioning. One was a student (got her masters and now works at a uni; still doesn't take her meds) and the other worked every day of his life until a second stroke confined him to the care of his wife (the second stroke was also attributed to prolonged use of his medication). Forcing these two to take their meds would have utterly ruined their lives. Are their lives worth nothing to you?
Sure, some schizophrenics should be forced to take their drugs if they are to be allowed to stay outside of a confined area.The problem is finding out which schizophrenics that should be. If you just say that all of them should be forced to take the drugs the increases in fatal stroke victims alone would outnumber the murder tally by schizophrenics easily every single year. And the cost of treating for the stroke victims that didn't die would be much higher than the cost of treating the worst schizophrenics are today.
All in all, I can't see that forcing those meds on all schizophrenics would lead to anything good at all.
It all comes down to money doesn't it? Better doctors, better meds, better monitoring, better facilities/hospitals all require the will of people to spend money onthose less fortunate than most.  Currently there is obviously no will to do that, no will at all.Mental hospital in Middletown HAD over 3,000 patients in the 1970's.  Last I knew there were less than 800 patients.Where did those folks go?  Away?  They didn't "get better" so where are they? They've been released into "Patient Housing" if they're lucky.  If not, they're living in an SRO in town or under one of themany fine bridges in the area.

And that starts the problem we're writing about.
 
2013-07-31 10:12:16 AM
Marcintosh:
iat all comes down to money doesn't it? Better doctors, better meds, better monitoring, better facilities/hospitals all require the will of people to spend money onthose less fortunate than most.  Currently there is obviously no will to do that, no will at all.Mental hospital in Middletown HAD over 3,000 patients in the 1970's.  Last I knew there were less than 800 patients.Where did those folks go?  Away?  They didn't "get better" so where are they? They've been released into "Patient Housing" if they're lucky.  If not, they're living in an SRO in town or under one of themany fine bridges in the area.
And that starts the problem we're writing about.

Well, some of them got released when we stopped treating homosexuals and transexuals like psychotic deviants. But that is a minority.
Some of them got released because better meds allowed them normal lives. Where I live the biggest difference in those numbers came from new treatment for people with downs syndrome. Most are highfunctioning enough that they can make their own food, buy their own clothes and have menial jobs. These now live by themselves and get visits from caretakers a few times a week (or more if needed). Its cheaper than the old system and I really think its better for a majority of those that would otherwise be classified as patients and forced to live in a hospital, and only those that clearly cannot take care of themselves or left alone at all are hospitalized. And dangerous patients are taken care of in a separate facility. But then again I live in a socialist hell where people pay taxes and the government does stuff with stuff.
 
2013-07-31 11:13:50 AM
wickedragon: Marcintosh:
iat all comes down to money doesn't it? Better doctors, better meds, better monitoring, better facilities/hospitals all require the will of people to spend money onthose less fortunate than most.  Currently there is obviously no will to do that, no will at all.Mental hospital in Middletown HAD over 3,000 patients in the 1970's.  Last I knew there were less than 800 patients.Where did those folks go?  Away?  They didn't "get better" so where are they? They've been released into "Patient Housing" if they're lucky.  If not, they're living in an SRO in town or under one of themany fine bridges in the area.
And that starts the problem we're writing about.
Well, some of them got released when we stopped treating homosexuals and transexuals like psychotic deviants. But that is a minority.
Some of them got released because better meds allowed them normal lives. Where I live the biggest difference in those numbers came from new treatment for people with downs syndrome. Most are highfunctioning enough that they can make their own food, buy their own clothes and have menial jobs. These now live by themselves and get visits from caretakers a few times a week (or more if needed). Its cheaper than the old system and I really think its better for a majority of those that would otherwise be classified as patients and forced to live in a hospital, and only those that clearly cannot take care of themselves or left alone at all are hospitalized. And dangerous patients are taken care of in a separate facility
. But then again I live in a socialist hell where people pay taxes and the government does stuff with stuff.



"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~Mahatma Ghandi

You live in a fine area.
 
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