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(NYPost)   If Bill and Hillary Clinton think you're a low-class politician, you may have a problem   (nypost.com) divider line 38
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2013-07-31 07:17:03 AM
Jeezus, who trolls this early in the morning?
 
2013-07-31 07:33:00 AM

Wooly Bully: Jeezus, who trolls this early in the morning?


Lulz addiction is a very serious condition.
 
2013-07-31 07:43:22 AM

Wooly Bully: Jeezus, who trolls this early in the morning?


The Clintons, apparently.

"Don't you DARE compare Huma's husband showing his dick to random women to Hillary's husband showing his dick to random women."

The only reason Bill Clinton wasn't sexting woken is because sexting wasn't around when he was doing most of his philandering.
 
2013-07-31 07:43:42 AM
I, for one, see nothing wrong with the headline.
 
2013-07-31 07:46:36 AM
repeat?
 
2013-07-31 07:47:51 AM
With not a hint of irony.....
 
2013-07-31 07:47:51 AM

Tumunga: I, for one, see nothing


well, there's a surprise
 
2013-07-31 07:52:26 AM

timswar: Wooly Bully: Jeezus, who trolls this early in the morning?

The Clintons, apparently.

"Don't you DARE compare Huma's husband showing his dick to random women to Hillary's husband showing his dick to random women."

The only reason Bill Clinton wasn't sexting woken is because sexting wasn't around when he was doing most of his philandering.


As a society we put a huge value on those who are successful at what they do.  Bill got a little something-something while Anthony just flirted poorly.
 
2013-07-31 07:57:33 AM
who? and who?
 
2013-07-31 07:59:51 AM
Don't get me wrong, what he did was monumentally stupid, but we're going to lose our minds over some dick pics that apparently the chicks who received wanted to see and low grade sexy talk?  Alrighty, then.  Let the self-righteous indignation at this guy's junk continue unabated, I guess.
 
2013-07-31 08:06:11 AM
Sure, Bill and Hillary are low class on an absolute basis. But relative to other pols (of either party) they are probably about average.

Remember, to just think you are personally qualified to run the country/state/ city of new york you have to be somewhat of an egotistical asshole.
 
2013-07-31 08:08:42 AM

somedude210: repeat?


More of a follow-up.
 
2013-07-31 08:10:08 AM

Cheron: timswar: Wooly Bully: Jeezus, who trolls this early in the morning?

The Clintons, apparently.

"Don't you DARE compare Huma's husband showing his dick to random women to Hillary's husband showing his dick to random women."

The only reason Bill Clinton wasn't sexting woken is because sexting wasn't around when he was doing most of his philandering.

As a society we put a huge value on those who are successful at what they do.  Bill got a little something-something while Anthony just flirted poorly.


I disagree. I think it's just time and scandal fatigue that's sort of erased the outrage over Clinton.

Sure everyone remembers Monica, but she was just the end of a string of women who were coming forward about Clinton. Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, and I swear there was a fourth somewhere.

And a lot of that came out before he was elected.

Okay. I changed my mind. I think people just like Bill more than Tony and were more willing to ignore for Bill than they are now for Tony.
 
2013-07-31 08:10:33 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Don't get me wrong, what he did was monumentally stupid, but we're going to lose our minds over some dick pics that apparently the chicks who received wanted to see and low grade sexy talk?  Alrighty, then.  Let the self-righteous indignation at this guy's junk continue unabated, I guess.


Here's why the sexting scandals make him politically anathema:

1. Bad Judgement
2. Wife is not cool with it
3. Opens himself up to be blackmailed
 
2013-07-31 08:12:41 AM

Aristocles: Doctor Funkenstein: Don't get me wrong, what he did was monumentally stupid, but we're going to lose our minds over some dick pics that apparently the chicks who received wanted to see and low grade sexy talk?  Alrighty, then.  Let the self-righteous indignation at this guy's junk continue unabated, I guess.

Here's why the sexting scandals make him politically anathema:

1. Bad Judgement
2. Wife is not cool with it
3. Opens himself up to be blackmailed


Plus he publicly lied about it the first time around and then lied about the timing of these dalliances. People don't like lying from low-level politicians. You've gotta be a big shot for people to look past that.
 
2013-07-31 08:12:49 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Don't get me wrong, what he did was monumentally stupid, but we're going to lose our minds over some dick pics that apparently the chicks who received wanted to see and low grade sexy talk?  Alrighty, then.  Let the self-righteous indignation at this guy's junk continue unabated, I guess.


If he stood up when he was in congress and this happened the first time and simply said 'hell yeah I sent it to her, i got a piece of that ass too, and Id do it again. Hell I will fark any 7's or better at this conference'. I would be with you.

he resigned a significant job in disgrace and begged for forgiveness. Then he did the same damn thing, mislead people about when it happened, and apparently was never sincere the first time.

its not a problem of him showing his dick off, its a problem of him being an unsincere liar who is incapable of learning from his mistakes as well as incapable of not getting busted for stupid shiat in the first place.
 
2013-07-31 08:15:03 AM
www.zennie62blog.com
 
2013-07-31 08:16:17 AM

timswar: Sure everyone remembers Monica, but she was just the end of a string of women who were coming forward about Clinton. Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, and I swear there was a fourth somewhere.


Don't forget the murder of Vince Foster.

The entire Whitewater investigation doesn't become any less stupid with the passage of time.  It's only notable aspect is that it appears to be a fixed point in history when it's possible to identify when the GOP ran off the rails in their crazy train.
 
2013-07-31 08:18:41 AM
What exactly makes the Clintons "low class" politicians?

Even most Republicans give them grudging respect.
 
2013-07-31 08:24:45 AM

GoldSpider: What exactly makes the Clintons "low class" politicians?

Even most Republicans give them grudging respect.


As do most Americans, the only folks that seen fixated on the BJ are obscure radio show jockeys and over weight bloated white men on their fifth marriage.
 
2013-07-31 08:27:08 AM

Aristocles: Doctor Funkenstein: Don't get me wrong, what he did was monumentally stupid, but we're going to lose our minds over some dick pics that apparently the chicks who received wanted to see and low grade sexy talk?  Alrighty, then.  Let the self-righteous indignation at this guy's junk continue unabated, I guess.

Here's why the sexting scandals make him politically anathema:

1. Bad Judgement
2. Wife is not cool with it
3. Opens himself up to be blackmailed


I agree with you on all but the last one. That would be like trying to blackmail a porn star with a sex tape.
 
2013-07-31 08:28:35 AM
Someday, Americans will grow up and have a mature, adult perspective on sex.

The truth is that over half of American's have cheated on their spouses or significant others at one time or another. Initially that stat seems skewed towards the men until you dig a little deeper and find that it's actually pretty close to 50/50 in terms of gender, women are simply better at lying to themselves with things like "well that doesn't count because my husband wasn't paying attention to me and that guy was just so darned cute I couldn't help it".

Bill Clinton got his dick sucked by someone who wasn't his wife while he was president during an unprecedented economic boom. You know what, I don't care, he did the job and did a good job of it. Any infidelity was between him and his wife and didn't need a congressional special investigator.

Weiner being a little cockproud doesn't bother me. That has nothing to do with his job and is between him and his wife. And I can guarantee you that a significant number of people who are "outraged" at his behavior are hypocrites who are or have cheated on their spouses at some point.

And in the spirit of full disclosure, years ago I was the "other man". We were never caught but if I had to make a list of the five things I regretted most in my life that would be number one and I'd have to struggle to come up with the other four.
 
2013-07-31 08:30:04 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: the BJ


The BJ itself is nothing.  Most people like BJs.  But, there are people who aren't that fond of people who cheat on their spouse, take advantage of 19 year old interns, lie to the public, lie to a grand jury, and have a track record riddled with sexual harassment allegations and worse.

Me?  I just get annoyed at people who sell state secrets to China.
 
2013-07-31 08:32:30 AM

The Muthaship: The BJ itself is nothing.  Most people like BJs.  But, there are people who aren't that fond of people who cheat on their spouse, take advantage of 19 year old interns, lie to the public, lie to a grand jury, and have a track record riddled with sexual harassment allegations and worse.


Stop infantilizing women. A 19 year old is capable of making an informed decision about whose cock she puts in her mouth.
 
2013-07-31 08:32:49 AM

The Muthaship: Me? I just get annoyed at people who sell state secrets to China.


How do you feel about a president who twists facts to gin up public support for two wars we later found to be a waste in every way imaginable?
 
2013-07-31 08:39:45 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Stop infantilizing women. A 19 year old is capable of making an informed decision about whose cock she puts in her mouth.


Absent his history of using his positions of power to coerce women into sex, I'd go along with you on that.
 
2013-07-31 08:47:11 AM

The Muthaship: Absent his alleged history of using his positions of power to coerce women into sex, I'd go along with you on that.


FTFY

I live in Arkansas. Bill's philandering was well known but the specter of coercion never came up until the Republicans went after him hammer and tongs with whatever dirt they could scrape up or fabricate entirely. The fact is that the man didn't need to coerce young women into bed, he was good looking, a smooth talker, and powerful. I'm surprised that they didn't install a take-a-number system in the governor's mansion.
 
2013-07-31 09:05:57 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Muthaship: Absent his alleged history of using his positions of power to coerce women into sex, I'd go along with you on that.

FTFY


I wonder if Paula Jones has spent her alleged settlement yet.
 
2013-07-31 09:50:16 AM

The Muthaship: I wonder if Paula Jones has spent her alleged settlement yet.


Yeah, absolutely no way that wasn't an opportunistic civil suit that was later kicked off the docket for failure to demonstrate harm or coercion.
 
2013-07-31 10:00:22 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: kicked off the docket for failure to demonstrate harm or coercion


Is that what 'settled out of court' means?  I always wondered that....
 
2013-07-31 10:15:29 AM

The Muthaship: Monkeyhouse Zendo: kicked off the docket for failure to demonstrate harm or coercion

Is that what 'settled out of court' means?  I always wondered that....


If you're going to cite a civil case, you should probably at least be familiar with what happened. A settlement agreement was reached andit was kicked for failing to demonstrate harm. You do realize that both can occur, since the lawyers don't hammer out an agreement in court and the judge doesn't review the merits of the case in court, right?

1. Clinton agreed to settle rather than proceed with trial before going before the judge.
2. The judge determines that the case has no merit before going to court.
3. Everyone shows up in court
4. Settlement is announced.
5. Judge says "okay but this wasn't going to trial anyway since it has no merit"
6. Paula Jones gets her payday and the Republicans get their talking point
 
2013-07-31 10:19:36 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: 1. Clinton agreed to settle rather than proceed with trial before going before the judge.
2. The judge determines that the case has no merit before going to court.
3. Everyone shows up in court
4. Settlement is announced.
5. Judge says "okay but this wasn't going to trial anyway since it has no merit"
6. Paula Jones gets her payday and the Republicans get their talking point


Makes perfect sense to me.  When people sue me for completely fabricated things, I just pay them anyway.
 
2013-07-31 10:48:48 AM

The Muthaship: Makes perfect sense to me.  When people sue me for completely fabricated things, I just pay them anyway.


I guess if you want to be intentionally obtuse and ignore the political ramifications of a public civil suit regardless of its merits, be my guest. The fact is that your example of "coercion" was settled out of court and, had it not been settled, would have been thrown out for lack of merit.
 
2013-07-31 10:52:48 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Muthaship: Makes perfect sense to me.  When people sue me for completely fabricated things, I just pay them anyway.

I guess if you want to be intentionally obtuse and ignore the political ramifications of a public civil suit regardless of its merits, be my guest. The fact is that your example of "coercion" was settled out of court and, had it not been settled, would have been thrown out for lack of merit.


Dude, it was public for a long time before the settlement (and even more so after).  It led to his perjury conviction and disbarment.  He settled for 20% over the asking price.  There was a summary judgment for Clinton at one time, but it didn't hold because the court found he intentionally lied.  You can continue to think he's pure as the driven snow.  I'm just telling you why some people think he's slimy.
 
2013-07-31 10:57:49 AM

The Muthaship: Dude, it was public for a long time before the settlement (and even more so after).  It led to his perjury conviction and disbarment.  He settled for 20% over the asking price.  There was a summary judgment for Clinton at one time, but it didn't hold because the court found he intentionally lied.  You can continue to think he's pure as the driven snow.  I'm just telling you why some people think he's slimy.


I don't think he's "pure as driven snow" and he's definitely sleazy. You'll get no argument from me there. I'm simply annoyed by your assumption of coercion and casting the young women who opted to get in bed with him as a pack of victims.
 
2013-07-31 11:04:38 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I'm simply annoyed by your assumption of coercion and casting the young women who opted to get in bed with him as a pack of victims.


Ok.  I understand.  But, there were allegations of coercion in prior acts, one of which resulted in a large court settlement.  And the power dynamic between a sitting president and a 19 year old intern is troubling to to me.  Maybe it was totally consensual.  In fact, I doubt she protested one bit, and may have been excited to be asked.  But, to me, it's still taking advantage of his position to do that.
 
2013-07-31 12:07:14 PM

The Muthaship: And the power dynamic between a sitting president and a 19 year old intern is troubling to to me.  Maybe it was totally consensual.  In fact, I doubt she protested one bit, and may have been excited to be asked.  But, to me, it's still taking advantage of his position to do that.


The fundamental question is whether she was coerced or acted of her own free will. If the power differential was not used to coerce then it is irrelevant and in fact may be a source of attraction. You're skating very close to the line of reasoning that power differentials are inherently coercive which is simply a way to avoid the admission of agency when it is inconvenient.
 
2013-07-31 04:29:10 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: If the power differential was not used to coerce then it is irrelevant and in fact may be a source of attraction. You're skating very close to the line of reasoning that power differentials are inherently coercive which is simply a way to avoid the admission of agency when it is inconvenient


So, would you say the power differential between a president and his 19 year old intern is greater or less than that between a high school math teacher and his 18 year old student?
 
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