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(The New York Times)   Why people should read authors even if they are total dickheads: "If we didn't read people who were bastards, we'd never read anything. Even the best of us are at least part-time bastards"   (nytimes.com) divider line 101
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2013-07-31 07:12:09 AM
Yeah, but like Morrissey pointed out, some girls are bigger than others, and some authors are bigger dickheads than others...
 
2013-07-31 07:24:40 AM
If we didn't consume any media just because the creator occasionally was a farkstick then we'd all be sitting in personal sensory deprivation bubbles...created by someone who's probably a right bleeding bastard.
 
2013-07-31 08:02:25 AM
Just because the NYTimes like dick writers, doesn't mean that all writers are dicks.

Stupid article.
 
2013-07-31 08:13:24 AM
It's not so much that I don't read authors who are bastards. I just don't read authors who are such colossal bastards that I can't stand the thought of them, which distracts me from the book. China Mieville, Nicholas Sparks, etc.
 
2013-07-31 08:15:24 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If we didn't consume any media just because the creator occasionally was a farkstick then we'd all be sitting in personal sensory deprivation bubbles...created by someone who's probably a right bleeding bastard.


Pretty much this. I don't agree with a lot of actors, musicians, producers, or directors on every single issue or life choice either... but I don't let that stop me from enjoying their films, shows, albums, and concerts.

Hell, outside of the entertainment bubble, nobody likes Roman Polanski after he drugged and anally raped a child. But his films are still watched.
 
2013-07-31 08:16:55 AM
Was working on a friend-of-a-friend's computer, cleaning off malware and toolbars, when I noticed that all the media on the system was of the Christian variety.  Christian music, christian videos, bookmarks to nothing but christian websites (yeah, conservapedia).   Living in such an isolationist nature mystifies and partially terrifies me, there is this subculture right in the middle of America that might as well be separated by geography and language.

Avoiding this inbred mindset is exactly why I read Atlas Shrugged now and then, why I grit my teeth (or laugh) while listening to Hannity.  Stepping outside of your mental comfort zone is a good thing, having literally everyone around you agree with you on everything leads to a small, small mind.
 
2013-07-31 08:21:33 AM
I just started to mentally compile a list of books I wouldn't have read if I didn't read books written by awful people. It got so big, so fast, I gave up. I'd be borderline illiterate.
 
2013-07-31 08:21:37 AM
Didn't the guy who wrote the Dr Seuss books say he hated kids?
 
2013-07-31 08:21:54 AM
Nobody gets through life without being an asshole, at least once.

Nobody.
 
2013-07-31 08:22:13 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: Was working on a friend-of-a-friend's computer, cleaning off malware and toolbars, when I noticed that all the media on the system was of the Christian variety.  Christian music, christian videos, bookmarks to nothing but christian websites (yeah, conservapedia).   Living in such an isolationist nature mystifies and partially terrifies me, there is this subculture right in the middle of America that might as well be separated by geography and language.

Avoiding this inbred mindset is exactly why I read Atlas Shrugged now and then, why I grit my teeth (or laugh) while listening to Hannity.  Stepping outside of your mental comfort zone is a good thing, having literally everyone around you agree with you on everything leads to a small, small mind.


I mostly agree with this but, I would like everyone around me to not believe that the earth was created, literally, in just under a week.  I do see where you're coming from though
 
2013-07-31 08:23:10 AM

abhorrent1: Didn't the guy who wrote the Dr Seuss books say he hated kids?


Yeah, I think Warehouse 13 taught me that H.G. Wells and Beatrice Potter were nefarious as well.
 
2013-07-31 08:24:27 AM
Harlan Ellison for $100 Alex...
 
2013-07-31 08:27:03 AM
Who gives a shiat about the personal lives of authors? If the book is good, read it. If it isn't don't.

This is true of scholarship as well. One of the greatest historians of early America was apparently an alcoholic who beat his wife. That sucks, but it doesn't change the fact that he was one of the greatest historians of early America. Was everyone just supposed to ignore his work because he was a dick?
 
2013-07-31 08:28:00 AM
I used to enjoy reading Harlan Ellison when I was a kid.  I'd hate to be anywhere around him if an angry thunderhead began forming though.
 
2013-07-31 08:31:03 AM
Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).
 
2013-07-31 08:35:19 AM
You know, I was wondering if this was a viral marketing scheme for "Enders Game".
 
2013-07-31 08:36:13 AM
I have no problem reading books by or about jerks.  I just won't give money to  authors who are going to use it to try and take away or repress minority's rights.
 
2013-07-31 08:36:33 AM
You think I'm giving a click to a leftist rag like the Times?  Puh-leeze!
 
2013-07-31 08:36:40 AM
Does it apply to women also?

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2013-07-31 08:37:07 AM
Artists can be self-absorbed, irrational dicks.  Sometimes you can look past it and enjoy their work.  Sometimes you stop paying attention because you can't see past it.
 
2013-07-31 08:38:35 AM

Spaced Lion: It's not so much that I don't read authors who are bastards. I just don't read authors who are such colossal bastards that I can't stand the thought of them, which distracts me from the book. China Mieville, Nicholas Sparks, etc.


Just a question : I've got a Mieville book for which I still need to gather the courage required to read it, but I don't know anything about him. Why do you consider him as a colossal bastard ?
 
2013-07-31 08:38:39 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).


Does Mel Gibson also get a pass?  I still find it hard to believe he is essentially blackballed, yet Polanski is adored.  I enjoy them both greatly.  It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.
 
2013-07-31 08:39:14 AM
And if this story was from a conservative link you'd have tons of wannabe-liberals screaming it's stupid and dismissing it as false.
 
2013-07-31 08:40:56 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such


Christ on a cracker, I found his ham-fisted politics overbearing and insufferable BEFORE my personal politics started its leftward turn.
 
2013-07-31 08:41:47 AM
You hear that Orson Scott Card?! Even if you are an asshole people should read you and go see Enders Game the movie and let you write Superman!
 
2013-07-31 08:43:14 AM

Outrageous Muff: And if this story was from a conservative link you'd have tons of wannabe-liberals screaming it's stupid and dismissing it as false.


I know you're kind of new here but most people don't finish reading the whole headline let alone actually click the link.
 
2013-07-31 08:45:42 AM

Montag19: Does Mel Gibson also get a pass? I still find it hard to believe he is essentially blackballed, yet Polanski is adored. I enjoy them both greatly. It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.


And in what parts of "Gore-Guilting Fundie Christians" and "90 Minute Chase Scene with Some Bits of History and Predator Thrown In" did you see a brilliant filmmaker?
 
2013-07-31 08:50:35 AM

Montag19: It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.


I hear you.  He could have been the next Adam Sandler.
 
2013-07-31 08:51:37 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: Was working on a friend-of-a-friend's computer, cleaning off malware and toolbars, when I noticed that all the media on the system was of the Christian variety.  Christian music, christian videos, bookmarks to nothing but christian websites (yeah, conservapedia).   Living in such an isolationist nature mystifies and partially terrifies me, there is this subculture right in the middle of America that might as well be separated by geography and language.

Avoiding this inbred mindset is exactly why I read Atlas Shrugged now and then, why I grit my teeth (or laugh) while listening to Hannity.  Stepping outside of your mental comfort zone is a good thing, having literally everyone around you agree with you on everything leads to a small, small mind.


Honestly, that's a good way to do things.  As far as political things go, though, you can skip Hannity and instead read the WSJ Opinion page.  Hannity is just a professional troll.
 
2013-07-31 08:53:48 AM
Writers think. Very few people do that. We are dickheads, because none of us can believe that you trust the media instead of thinking.

Now shut up and give me your money.
 
2013-07-31 08:54:00 AM

meanmutton: the opposite of charity is justice: Was working on a friend-of-a-friend's computer, cleaning off malware and toolbars, when I noticed that all the media on the system was of the Christian variety.  Christian music, christian videos, bookmarks to nothing but christian websites (yeah, conservapedia).   Living in such an isolationist nature mystifies and partially terrifies me, there is this subculture right in the middle of America that might as well be separated by geography and language.

Avoiding this inbred mindset is exactly why I read Atlas Shrugged now and then, why I grit my teeth (or laugh) while listening to Hannity.  Stepping outside of your mental comfort zone is a good thing, having literally everyone around you agree with you on everything leads to a small, small mind.

Honestly, that's a good way to do things.  As far as political things go, though, you can skip Hannity and instead read the WSJ Opinion page.  Hannity is just a professional troll.


Where do you draw the line though? I'm guessing you don't check out people's opinions on stormfront or see whats going on at NAMBLA meetings. I think when a person starts victimizing other groups you can safely ignore their opinions.
 
2013-07-31 08:54:12 AM

mr intrepid: You know, I was wondering if this was a viral marketing scheme for "Enders Game".


OSC was who I thought of first too.
 
2013-07-31 08:54:49 AM

EyeballKid: Montag19: Does Mel Gibson also get a pass? I still find it hard to believe he is essentially blackballed, yet Polanski is adored. I enjoy them both greatly. It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.

And in what parts of "Gore-Guilting Fundie Christians" and "90 Minute Chase Scene with Some Bits of History and Predator Thrown In" did you see a brilliant filmmaker?


I saw potential.  I didn't see the word brilliant anywhere in the post until you wrote it.  Gibson made some really good movies on a grand scale, and I was looking forward to seeing more of his films, that is all.
 
2013-07-31 08:55:43 AM

Montag19: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).

Does Mel Gibson also get a pass?  I still find it hard to believe he is essentially blackballed, yet Polanski is adored.  I enjoy them both greatly.  It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.


I'll watch Braveheart or Lethal Weapon on occasion, but it's not like Gibson has or will ever make a Chinatown.
 
2013-07-31 08:59:11 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).


It really sounds like you're saying that owning slaves or raping a child is worse than campaigning against marriage equality.
 
2013-07-31 09:00:04 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Montag19: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).

Does Mel Gibson also get a pass?  I still find it hard to believe he is essentially blackballed, yet Polanski is adored.  I enjoy them both greatly.  It saddens me though that we will never see the full potential that was Mel Gibson the film maker.

I'll watch Braveheart or Lethal Weapon on occasion, but it's not like Gibson has or will ever make a Chinatown.


True.  I was looking forward to seeing Gibson's viking movie.  I am glad Polanski is still pretty active, I absolutely loved The Ghost Writer, easily one of my favorite movies.
 
mhd
2013-07-31 09:00:30 AM
Of course this gets easier if the author is dead or the book is borrowed/downloaded, as at least you don't have to worry about supporting some egregious dicktard financially. Not that I mind if they're just bastards, but I tend to draw a line if my contribution would in turn finance some political movements I don't care that much about.
 
2013-07-31 09:01:35 AM

Eapoe6: Writers think. Very few people do that. We are dickheads, because none of us can believe that you trust the media instead of thinking.

Now shut up and give me your money.


Well... I won't pay you any money for your writing, but I will write a review indicating that your work is part of a postmodern vanguard that obliterates a culture of racial and colonial oppression.

/... which no one will pay for
 
2013-07-31 09:03:24 AM

clkeagle: Hell, outside of the entertainment bubble, nobody likes Roman Polanski after he drugged and anally raped a child. But his films are still watched.


Hollywood's love of Roman Polanski is one of those things I'll never understand.  It's one thing to be a racist anti-Semite like Mel Gibson.  It's a whole 'nother level to be a child predator.
 
2013-07-31 09:06:39 AM

meanmutton: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).

It really sounds like you're saying that owning slaves or raping a child is worse than campaigning against marriage equality.


I meant to say the opposite of that.  It sounds like you're saying that what Card did (basically, having different political opinions than you) is worse than what Polanski did (drug and rape a child).
 
2013-07-31 09:07:27 AM
"The great artists of the world are never Puritans, and seldom respectable. No virtuous man--that is, virtuous in the Y.M.C.A. sense--has ever painted a picture worth looking at, or written a symphony worth hearing, or a book worth reading.."

  -- H.L. Mencken
 
2013-07-31 09:07:54 AM

GoldSpider: clkeagle: Hell, outside of the entertainment bubble, nobody likes Roman Polanski after he drugged and anally raped a child. But his films are still watched.

Hollywood's love of Roman Polanski is one of those things I'll never understand.  It's one thing to be a racist anti-Semite like Mel Gibson.  It's a whole 'nother level to be a child predator.


Hollywood is much more familiar with anally raping children then hating Jews. I mean have you seen Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls?
 
2013-07-31 09:09:12 AM

Fissile: "The great artists of the world are never Puritans, and seldom respectable. No virtuous man--that is, virtuous in the Y.M.C.A. sense--has ever painted a picture worth looking at, or written a symphony worth hearing, or a book worth reading.."

  -- H.L. Mencken


Is there something I don't know about Mozart or Beethoven?
 
2013-07-31 09:09:26 AM

metallion: Harlan Ellison for $100 Alex...


I heard if you write Ellison a snail mail letter telling him you liked the re-write of "City on the Edge of Forever" better, he will travel to your location at his personal expense and kneecap you.

www.toplessrobot.com
 
2013-07-31 09:13:47 AM
I prefer to know as little as possible about the personal lives or creative processes of artists. I'll judge the work on its own merits.
 
2013-07-31 09:13:56 AM

justinguarini4ever: I mean have you seen Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls?


No need to be uncivil!
 
2013-07-31 09:18:04 AM

meanmutton: meanmutton: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless your assbaggery starts bleeding into your work (Terry Goodkind) or you become such a colossal dickhead (Orson Scott Card) I'm willing to let your personal life by yours. Sometimes I'm even willing to overlook terrible things if your art is great enough (Roman Polanski, basically anybody who owned slaves, etc.).

It really sounds like you're saying that owning slaves or raping a child is worse than campaigning against marriage equality.

I meant to say the opposite of that.  It sounds like you're saying that what Card did (basically, having different political opinions than you) is worse than what Polanski did (drug and rape a child).


I'm just saying that if you are such an enormous asshole that your name itself conjures up in my mind your frothing, insane ramblings, you're probably staying on the shelf when I'm browsing for things to read. Had Polanski made it his life's work to normalize raping children, I probably wouldn't be able to overlook that. It's not that political differences are worse than child rape in my mind. It's how much of an asshole you make yourself out to be in the process.

The Tom Cruise effect: I can't see him anymore without thinking of him losing his mind on Oprah and all his weird Scientology videos. His douchebaggery has made him nearly impossible to watch because the man is bigger than the role.
 
2013-07-31 09:18:45 AM
I don't read authors that i know the be assholes. Much in the same way that i wouldn't walk up and hand someone $5 that i knew was an asshole.
 
2013-07-31 09:21:30 AM
If your "culture" depends on criminals and deadbeats, perhaps it's time to evaluate its worth to society.
 
2013-07-31 09:22:02 AM

GoldSpider: Fissile: "The great artists of the world are never Puritans, and seldom respectable. No virtuous man--that is, virtuous in the Y.M.C.A. sense--has ever painted a picture worth looking at, or written a symphony worth hearing, or a book worth reading.."

  -- H.L. Mencken

Is there something I don't know about Mozart or Beethoven?


Mozart had an obsession with poop and Beethoven had anger issues. If they were around today it would probably end up reported as Mozart had a shiat fetish and Beethoven was an abuser.
 
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