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2013-07-31 12:01:03 PM
steamingpile:
I don't get the reason for why they had to fire him, sure he made a mistake but unless this is an ongoing thing then he didn't need to be fired. If anything it sounds like they deserve to be shamed since it sounds like they had lunch catered and didn't tip shiat.

Are you kidding?  If I had been his manager and saw him talk shiat IN the resturant to their faces I would have fired him.  Let alone publicly insulting a customer.  You don't argue with, insult, embarras, or otherwise agitate a customer unnecissarily.

Maybe a sharp word to a customer, then stopping immediately and apologizing.  Putting something in PRINT as though it were the opinion of the company, oh hell no, you're fired.
 
2013-07-31 12:02:32 PM

Southern100: Why? A food truck is just a mobile fast food restaurant. Do you tip at McDonalds? Wendy's? Jack-in-the-Box? Subway? Shipley's Donuts?

How about if you order 20 pizzas from Pizza Hut and pick up the order instead of having it delivered? Do you tip then?

What's next, tipping the people behind the deli counter at your local WalMart because they sliced you a couple pounds of ham? After all, we know they make shiat wages.


This.

I only tip if someone delivers the food to my table.  I would never tip a food truck, especially considering the prices they charge.  Food trucks are supposed to be cheap.  I once paid $4 for a cupcake, only because my kid was begging for one.  No one would I have ever tipped that guy.
 
2013-07-31 12:07:48 PM

ciberido: NickelP: Sigh...: Glass, Lewis and Co. ....

You have lost my business, and any referrals I might ever give because of your actions.   First)  Cheap bastards, nickle and diming the little guy?   Second)  Crushing some poor dude who works on a food truck.

Food Truck worker dude...   Tips are always voluntary.  You were wrong to shame them.  People are schmucks, get used to it.   If you don't want bad tips, get out of the business entirely.

Food Truck Owner dude...   You need clear policies and expectations.

Sounds like he has one.  Food truck cooks are not permitted to badmouth customers on twitter or they will be fired.  Pretty reasonable too

Again, FTFA: "The company has a way of doing things and he thought I'd understood that. I had embarrassed him and the company and that was that."

The "he thought I'd understood that" implies that he DIDN'T have clear policies and expectations.

Is everyone in this thread just taking the day off from actually READING the articles?


Oh, bullshiat, the liberal-arts degree hipster chimp had an overdeveloped sense of self importance and it ran straight into reality. Today he learned he's not just replaceable, but easily replaceable.
 
2013-07-31 12:33:18 PM
I don't make jack, and I bring the news to people on my company's website. I think I'll add a Paypal tip widget in the right rail on every page. I wonder how long it would take for my boss to notice...
 
2013-07-31 12:40:34 PM

puffy999: I really, really don't like waiters/waitresses who expect large tips in this country... I go to a restaurant for f*cking food, not to talk to you, so I've always wondered why the cooks aren't getting the tips.

Anyway, a food truck, for a large order, should definitely receive some sort of tip. Those guys are doing EVERYTHING.


In short?  Cooks are paid more than the general $2 something an hour.  And they are in the BOH because they don't like people.  Trust me.  You don't want a cook serving you your food =)

/10+ years in the industry.
//Got a regular 9-5 and got the fark out of Dodge.
 
2013-07-31 12:49:21 PM

farkerofDOOM: n short?  Cooks are paid more than the general $2 something an hour.  And they are in the BOH because they don't like people.  Trust me.  You don't want a cook serving you your food =)


Most cooks, if you met them, you wouldn't want them preparing your food... and you'd probably no longer feel safe in the restaurant knowing they're in the other room.
 
2013-07-31 12:52:00 PM

lewismarktwo: For those of you bemoaning the cost of some grilled cheese sammiches just consider that any fancy melted cheese sammich is called a 'grilled cheese' these days.  All manner of fixins including sauteed veggies and truffle slices... sometimes even meat.


Quiet Hipster. Grilled Cheese only requires two ingredients, cheese and bread (possibly three, if you want butter on top of the bread as it's grilled into the sandwich). Anything else is a different name for a sandwich and it is not worth $7 dollars anywhere.
 
2013-07-31 12:56:38 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: lewismarktwo: For those of you bemoaning the cost of some grilled cheese sammiches just consider that any fancy melted cheese sammich is called a 'grilled cheese' these days.  All manner of fixins including sauteed veggies and truffle slices... sometimes even meat.

Quiet Hipster. Grilled Cheese only requires two ingredients, cheese and bread (possibly three, if you want butter on top of the bread as it's grilled into the sandwich). Anything else is a different name for a sandwich and it is not worth $7 dollars anywhere.


The value of something is what the market bears.

If people will pay 7 bucks for a grilled cheese, then apparently it's worth 7 bucks.

Avg lunch in manhattan is about 12-15 dollars.


But I suppose I am just bragging, according to certain Midwest hipster farkers.
 
2013-07-31 01:04:32 PM

MugzyBrown: farkerofDOOM: n short?  Cooks are paid more than the general $2 something an hour.  And they are in the BOH because they don't like people.  Trust me.  You don't want a cook serving you your food =)

Most cooks, if you met them, you wouldn't want them preparing your food... and you'd probably no longer feel safe in the restaurant knowing they're in the other room.


I was pretty lucky in the places I worked... I had no reservations about all but one of the cooks I had worked with.  One of them was just so f'd up on his drug du jour that he couldn't be trusted around food.  Not so much that it wouldn't be safe to eat - just that he'd give you what he thought would be delicious together ;-)  (Liver topped burger with blue cheese... *shudder*)

It's more the personality of a cook that keeps them to BOH.  Your server (usually) is gracious and will make sure that every single substitution you ask for is accommodated.  When said server goes into the kitchen to explain why the menu item of yellowfin black and white sesame tuna, served rare with a cucumber salad, warm sushi rice with crab and sesame avocado with wasabi cream is now tuna with lemon only, cooked well done, with jicama slaw, rice pilaf, and a teriyaki reduction.... yeah.... your server will tell you "No problem!", the cook is now calling your server a f'ing retahded cockhole and listing off a number of other colorful descriptions of what they think of the person who made the special order.

I don't miss being out of food service - I do miss the people I worked with though.  You find a more rough-n-tumble patchwork group... incredibly weird but fiercely loyal and devoted.
 
2013-07-31 01:05:05 PM

EffervescingElephant: Musikslayer: For those who didn't read the article or the additional linked article:
1. The guy who got fired wrote the linked article. He's a douche, and basically admits that.
2. It wasn't 20 sammiches, it was 12 and 5-6 shakes.
3. 12 people were actually there. This was not a phone order, 12 employees of Glass Lewis were ordering, separately. The fact that they paid with one credit card is irrevelant, in fact it was helpful to the truck as it saved credit card charges and was far quicker.
4. They picked up their orders individually. When they did, the fired guy harrased them and asked if they had planned not to tip.

So, to recap: the fired guy is an idiot and a douche. The 12 people were just 12 people standing at a food truck. Douche is shaming ordinary people, not some mega-corporation (BTW, they do financial research). The owner was correct in firing him.


Yea, I'm going to have to agree here - 170.00 = about 12 sandwiches and 5 or 6 shakes according to the menu. 12 people lined up at the truck - paid with one credit card.

However i don't have an issue with tip shaming when it is deserved -


We don't actually know that it was deserved. The guy's article makes it quite clear that he has a chip on his shoulder and is a moron. It's entirely possible that the food was slow and came with an attitude. He admits in his article that he was shaking down individuals. Odds are heavy that bossman was taking out 11 co-workers and they didn't even think about the tip since they were being treated to lunch. If he is as much of a douche in real life as he was in his article (BTW the kid is an intern for some online hipster magazine), he's not going to get tips.

A few months back, a waitress gave us some snide comment about not leaving a tip. Unfortunately for her, she was looking at the table from an angle, and couldn't see the generous tip we left. We raised hell with the manager, said we would never come back, and we never did.(I was man enough to leave the tip there, which I considered taking back).  On another occasion, some airline bag guy came up and made a big stink about how he wasn't being tipped (I was with a large group) and was really rude about it. What he didn't see was my hand, which had tip money in it for him. He didn't get it of course.  The "Shaming" thing can really backfire on the waitstaff and especially the owner, as it's not always accurate. I usually pay the bill and then walk back to the table with the tip- so if someone doesn't see a tip and starts "shaming", they will not only lose the tip but chances are they will lose their job.
 
2013-07-31 01:05:36 PM

steamingpile: If you order food from any place where they prepare it as you order it and you don't tip then you are the asshole. These people hustle to get your food ready for you so show a little gratitude.


Yeah, this. There's a real difference between "12 orders individually" and "one order for 12 peoples' worth of food" that goes beyond how many times you have to open the cash drawer.

The BF works for a major fast food chain and they're given 2 minutes as their benchmark for duration of an order (from the time ordering begins to the time the food is delivered), so let's say for a hipster douchey fancy-ass truck that we'll let them have 3 minutes to grill us a cheese. 10 people individually ordering should take no longer than half an hour (if they absolutely suck at multitasking; realistically it'll be like 15-20 minutes). Ten people ordering at once should take 3 minutes, but will probably take 5 since it's being cooked inside a food truck and not, say, in a full size kitchen that can accommodate that large an order at once.

Large-order tips are, as I have always understood them, to compensate for the fact that your restaurant is turning an absolutely silly amount of food out in roughly the same amount of time as a more "normal" order would take. And that's not really wrong of them. And yes, I actually do tip the Chinese restaurant or pizza place when I go to get a take-out order for a large amount of people, because they busted their butts to get it out to me in a standard time window, which is above and beyond regular service.

/grew up in a catering kitchen
//slung lattes for 2 years in college
///some extra slashies for whoever wants em
//
 
2013-07-31 01:07:34 PM

farkerofDOOM: was pretty lucky in the places I worked... I had no reservations about all but one of the cooks I had worked with.  One of them was just so f'd up on his drug du jour that he couldn't be trusted around food.  Not so much that it wouldn't be safe to eat - just that he'd give you what he thought would be delicious together ;-)  (Liver topped burger with blue cheese... *shudder*)


I worked at Chilis for a couple years.. one near Atlantic City and one near Camden, NJ.  Most of the cooks were whacked out on smack or crack.
 
2013-07-31 01:11:17 PM

Musikslayer: EffervescingElephant: Musikslayer: For those who didn't read the article or the additional linked article:
1. The guy who got fired wrote the linked article. He's a douche, and basically admits that.
2. It wasn't 20 sammiches, it was 12 and 5-6 shakes.
3. 12 people were actually there. This was not a phone order, 12 employees of Glass Lewis were ordering, separately. The fact that they paid with one credit card is irrevelant, in fact it was helpful to the truck as it saved credit card charges and was far quicker.
4. They picked up their orders individually. When they did, the fired guy harrased them and asked if they had planned not to tip.

So, to recap: the fired guy is an idiot and a douche. The 12 people were just 12 people standing at a food truck. Douche is shaming ordinary people, not some mega-corporation (BTW, they do financial research). The owner was correct in firing him.


Yea, I'm going to have to agree here - 170.00 = about 12 sandwiches and 5 or 6 shakes according to the menu. 12 people lined up at the truck - paid with one credit card.

However i don't have an issue with tip shaming when it is deserved -

We don't actually know that it was deserved. The guy's article makes it quite clear that he has a chip on his shoulder and is a moron. It's entirely possible that the food was slow and came with an attitude. He admits in his article that he was shaking down individuals. Odds are heavy that bossman was taking out 11 co-workers and they didn't even think about the tip since they were being treated to lunch. If he is as much of a douche in real life as he was in his article (BTW the kid is an intern for some online hipster magazine), he's not going to get tips.

A few months back, a waitress gave us some snide comment about not leaving a tip. Unfortunately for her, she was looking at the table from an angle, and couldn't see the generous tip we left. We raised hell with the manager, said we would never come back, and we never did.(I was man enough to ...


The airline bag handlers (curbside check in) at JFK used to loudly announce that it was "6 dollars per bag" when in fact, there is no fee.  That's just what they wanted to be tipped. one time I stood there announcing that there actually was no fee for handling the bags.

Yeah, I am not against you getting a tip, but misleading people into thinking it's a fee is horseshiat.

And yes, I spent 4 years in the service industry busting my ass for tips.
 
2013-07-31 01:15:07 PM
Twitter will be the cause of the fall of the American empire.  First this "shaming" fad has created an environment where people do not interact with others and try to solve whatever problem they may have, instead individual 1 acts rudely calling out individual number 2 for doing something rude.  Almost an imperfect circle of life in 140 characters or less.

Mark my words... before too long, some prominent politician is going to lose his job because he tweeted his junk....
 
2013-07-31 01:15:25 PM

lordargent: Deadite: Which if you've never seen it or eaten it looks like this if you order whats known as a Navajo Taco around here.

Taco salad around these parts.


We have those as well but taco salads are made with tortilla's and are crunchy, the pic I posted uses frybread and is like a taco salad with a soft taco that is deep fried in heart stopping goodness and yet is still soft.
 
2013-07-31 01:16:13 PM

tripleseven: Musikslayer: EffervescingElephant: Musikslayer: For those who didn't read the article or the additional linked article:
1. The guy who got fired wrote the linked article. He's a douche, and basically admits that.
2. It wasn't 20 sammiches, it was 12 and 5-6 shakes.
3. 12 people were actually there. This was not a phone order, 12 employees of Glass Lewis were ordering, separately. The fact that they paid with one credit card is irrevelant, in fact it was helpful to the truck as it saved credit card charges and was far quicker.
4. They picked up their orders individually. When they did, the fired guy harrased them and asked if they had planned not to tip.

So, to recap: the fired guy is an idiot and a douche. The 12 people were just 12 people standing at a food truck. Douche is shaming ordinary people, not some mega-corporation (BTW, they do financial research). The owner was correct in firing him.


Yea, I'm going to have to agree here - 170.00 = about 12 sandwiches and 5 or 6 shakes according to the menu. 12 people lined up at the truck - paid with one credit card.

However i don't have an issue with tip shaming when it is deserved -

We don't actually know that it was deserved. The guy's article makes it quite clear that he has a chip on his shoulder and is a moron. It's entirely possible that the food was slow and came with an attitude. He admits in his article that he was shaking down individuals. Odds are heavy that bossman was taking out 11 co-workers and they didn't even think about the tip since they were being treated to lunch. If he is as much of a douche in real life as he was in his article (BTW the kid is an intern for some online hipster magazine), he's not going to get tips.

A few months back, a waitress gave us some snide comment about not leaving a tip. Unfortunately for her, she was looking at the table from an angle, and couldn't see the generous tip we left. We raised hell with the manager, said we would never come back, and we never did.(I was m ...


And I will clarify that, this was at least 8 years ago.  I think they've instituted a fee now.

However, a quick online search implies the scam has just changed (they weigh your bag, tell you it's overweight but if you tip them they won't charge you)
 
2013-07-31 01:23:54 PM
Has anyone mentioned yet about how tipping is just nice people subsidizing the meals of jerks?
 
2013-07-31 01:30:20 PM
Deadite: We have those as well but taco salads are made with tortilla's and are crunchy, the pic I posted uses frybread and is like a taco salad with a soft taco that is deep fried in heart stopping goodness and yet is still soft.

Flour tortillas puff up like that when fried (but then is hollow and crunchy), from the wiki description, it sounds like frybread is denser (like a Johnnycake?).
 
2013-07-31 01:31:14 PM
Johnnycake

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-31 01:42:10 PM
MugzyBrown:
I worked at Chilis for a couple years.. one near Atlantic City and one near Camden, NJ.  Most of the cooks were whacked out on smack or crack.


I'm totally shocked.  Honest.  So many talented cooks want to work at places like Chilis they should have the pick of the litter.

/Applebees in Charleston is a great place to meet pharmie addicts.
//Front and back of house.
 
2013-07-31 01:45:53 PM

tripleseven: DarkSoulNoHope: lewismarktwo: For those of you bemoaning the cost of some grilled cheese sammiches just consider that any fancy melted cheese sammich is called a 'grilled cheese' these days.  All manner of fixins including sauteed veggies and truffle slices... sometimes even meat.

Quiet Hipster. Grilled Cheese only requires two ingredients, cheese and bread (possibly three, if you want butter on top of the bread as it's grilled into the sandwich). Anything else is a different name for a sandwich and it is not worth $7 dollars anywhere.

The value of something is what the market bears.

If people will pay 7 bucks for a grilled cheese, then apparently it's worth 7 bucks.

Avg lunch in manhattan is about 12-15 dollars.


But I suppose I am just bragging, according to certain Midwest hipster farkers.


$7 for a sandwich in a business area is pretty reasonable.  if it's on fresh bread with decent ingredients, that's not bad at all.  however, if i was in some gas station in the middle of no-where.... i would not pay $7 for a sandwich.  lunch prices include a convenience price, by which i mean, the mark up a restaurant can charge for that location. it is a business afterall, not some humanitarian service to make sure we're happy and fat.

/ air at sea level is a lot cheaper than air on mt Everest
 
2013-07-31 02:05:17 PM

Musikslayer: EffervescingElephant: Musikslayer: For those who didn't read the article or the additional linked article:
1. The guy who got fired wrote the linked article. He's a douche, and basically admits that.
2. It wasn't 20 sammiches, it was 12 and 5-6 shakes.
3. 12 people were actually there. This was not a phone order, 12 employees of Glass Lewis were ordering, separately. The fact that they paid with one credit card is irrevelant, in fact it was helpful to the truck as it saved credit card charges and was far quicker.
4. They picked up their orders individually. When they did, the fired guy harrased them and asked if they had planned not to tip.

So, to recap: the fired guy is an idiot and a douche. The 12 people were just 12 people standing at a food truck. Douche is shaming ordinary people, not some mega-corporation (BTW, they do financial research). The owner was correct in firing him.


Yea, I'm going to have to agree here - 170.00 = about 12 sandwiches and 5 or 6 shakes according to the menu. 12 people lined up at the truck - paid with one credit card.

However i don't have an issue with tip shaming when it is deserved -

We don't actually know that it was deserved. The guy's article makes it quite clear that he has a chip on his shoulder and is a moron. It's entirely possible that the food was slow and came with an attitude. He admits in his article that he was shaking down individuals. Odds are heavy that bossman was taking out 11 co-workers and they didn't even think about the tip since they were being treated to lunch. If he is as much of a douche in real life as he was in his article (BTW the kid is an intern for some online hipster magazine), he's not going to get tips.

A few months back, a waitress gave us some snide comment about not leaving a tip. Unfortunately for her, she was looking at the table from an angle, and couldn't see the generous tip we left. We raised hell with the manager, said we would never come back, and we never did.(I was man enough to ...



I thought i made it clear in my post that i didn't think that the shaming was deserved...this was 12 people ordering food paid with one credit card - no different than if i decided to pay for the 12 people standing in line ahead of me - does that put me on the hook for paying a tip, just because i decide to pay for everyone's meal?

They were no different than anyone else in that line other than they happened to be in a group from the same place.

i don't know what the tipping standards are for food trucks, I assume they make minimum wage or better.

The ONLY people that deserve tips are the folks that work for LESS than minimum wage - and tips are compensation based on incentive and performance.

Putting a tip jar at a take out window should be for situations where someone has special or unusual requests, or goes beyond what is expected. The guy gets paid to make sandwiches and hand them to me. I'm not obligated to pay him anything more...if he doesn't like his pay, he needs to take it up with the boss or find another job. (again assuming they are making minimum wage or more) - you don't tip the guy at McDonald's - I don't see how a food truck is any different.

I said i think what the guy did was wrong - the shaming wasn't deserved based on the facts. BUT - as consumers we can say whatever we want about companies and their products, sometimes people write complete shiate about restaurants and no one is stopping them. If customers behave badly, i don't see why we cant identify them.

I can see your point on how it can backfire  - I might have to reconsider my stance on that


/have worked in the food industry, at a counter, as a waiter, line cook and fast food
 
2013-07-31 02:24:54 PM

lordargent: Johnnycake

[upload.wikimedia.org image 668x600]


That looks more like frybread... what you'd make an Indian Taco with. Which are delicious.
 
2013-07-31 02:50:56 PM

lordargent: Johnnycake

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1.bp.blogspot.com

Hoecake.

/Hoes gotta eat too!
 
2013-07-31 03:49:38 PM

bighairyguy: Here's a tip, don't expect a tip.


He's is a tip, don't tip expect anything but the bare minimum of rude service next time. Seriously, next time you want to eat out go to the gas station, buy a bean burrito and heat it in the microwave. Because people like you just waste service peoples time.
 
2013-07-31 03:57:48 PM

gibbon1: bighairyguy: Here's a tip, don't expect a tip.

He's is a tip, don't tip expect anything but the bare minimum of rude service next time. Seriously, next time you want to eat out go to the gas station, buy a bean burrito and heat it in the microwave. Because people like you just waste service peoples time.


We're talking about a guy who makes grilled cheese sandwiches for a living, not a lap dance.
What exactly does bare minimum rude service look like vs absolute maximum best service?  In my book "I give you money, you give me a sandwich" is the definition of both of those.  Sure, the guy might spit in it or something, but I consider that below minimum service.  If there's a possibility to go above the maximum grilled cheese making service, I'm not sure I want to know what that is.  Maybe I'll just live in ignorant bliss.
 
2013-07-31 04:02:53 PM

gibbon1: bighairyguy: Here's a tip, don't expect a tip.

He's is a tip, don't tip expect anything but the bare minimum of rude service next time. Seriously, next time you want to eat out go to the gas station, buy a bean burrito and heat it in the microwave. Because people like you just waste service peoples time.


So which roach coach, I'm sorry, "meal wagon" do you drive?
 
2013-07-31 04:16:15 PM

lordargent: Johnnycake

[upload.wikimedia.org image 668x600]


I'm not sure never had a johnnycake but from appearances yes.
 
2013-07-31 05:22:38 PM

mike_d85: steamingpile:
I don't get the reason for why they had to fire him, sure he made a mistake but unless this is an ongoing thing then he didn't need to be fired. If anything it sounds like they deserve to be shamed since it sounds like they had lunch catered and didn't tip shiat.

Are you kidding?  If I had been his manager and saw him talk shiat IN the resturant to their faces I would have fired him.  Let alone publicly insulting a customer.  You don't argue with, insult, embarras, or otherwise agitate a customer unnecissarily.

Maybe a sharp word to a customer, then stopping immediately and apologizing.  Putting something in PRINT as though it were the opinion of the company, oh hell no, you're fired.


Hopefully the NSA will soon give business owners complete access to employee phone calls and Internet activity.
 
2013-07-31 05:25:04 PM

Lady Indica: I'd farking love to pay that $7 for grilled cheese because that would be pretty goddamned cheap for the Bay Area. I pay that for a premade sammich at Whole Foods.


Aren't the made-to-order sandwiches at WFs around $7? They are at the Oakland location. A sandwich that includes meat, cheese, and all the trimmings requested.

$7 for frying two pieces of buttered bread with cheese in between is a rip off. Unless the cheese is exceptional in some manner, or something else(truffle oil?) is added to it.

Grilled cheese sandwiches are served often because they're cheap and easy to make. Pay that much and see it as a convenience fee, not as getting decent food for the money.
 
2013-07-31 05:36:49 PM

mcreadyblue: Hopefully the NSA will soon give business owners complete access to employee phone calls and Internet activity.


I know some companies were (trying to) require new employees to hand over the passwords to their Facebook, Twitter, and other social media accounts, but I think that one's still up in the air since CISPA was shot down.

I just follow a simple rule; I use social media only to (a) communicate and share pictures and such with family and friends, not the other 8 billion people on the planet, and (b) never ever post anything that I wouldn't want my boss, my mother, or my grandmother to see (were she still around to see it in the first place).
 
2013-07-31 05:52:13 PM

Lady Indica: Southern100: puffy999: I really, really don't like waiters/waitresses who expect large tips in this country... I go to a restaurant for f*cking food, not to talk to you, so I've always wondered why the cooks aren't getting the tips.

Anyway, a food truck, for a large order, should definitely receive some sort of tip. Those guys are doing EVERYTHING.

Why? A food truck is just a mobile fast food restaurant. Do you tip at McDonalds? Wendy's? Jack-in-the-Box? Subway? Shipley's Donuts?

How about if you order 20 pizzas from Pizza Hut and pick up the order instead of having it delivered? Do you tip then?

What's next, tipping the people behind the deli counter at your local WalMart because they sliced you a couple pounds of ham? After all, we know they make shiat wages.

You can't and don't preorder food for 70 people at McDonalds. Or Wendy's. Or Jack in the Box. Oh sure perhaps a wee place in Peoria will...but in San Francisco? AHAHAHA. No. fark no. Especially NOT during the lunch rush.
They didn't order the food and pick it up, it was delivered.
If you pre-order food, and have it delivered...you should tip. Don't be a farking jackass. If you place a large order for food for an entire office, you should also tip.


While I'd agree with you in principle about tipping on delivery orders... to be pedantic... off the top of my head, I don't tip at Subway, Quizno's or Chick-Fil-A and all of them allow you to order large quantities of food for an entire office.

Seriously though, if it's delivered to an office, not picked up... what kind of A-hole wouldn't tip? I mean, it isn't like the boss isn't paying is it? It's not even your money.

/also to the point earlier... I was a cook, and we had ridiculously large orders to fill, and not once did the waitress share her tip with us when all she did was check the customer out at the register.
//tipping should be eliminated entirely, or the tips should go primarily to the cooks.
 
2013-07-31 06:53:41 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: /Hoes gotta eat too!


He just got traded to the Astros, so he's gotta drink too...
 
2013-07-31 07:11:46 PM
Roach coach guy lipping off to Masters of the Universe?  Villein ye are, and villein ye shall remain.
 
2013-07-31 07:32:10 PM

beer4breakfast: Lady Indica: I'd farking love to pay that $7 for grilled cheese because that would be pretty goddamned cheap for the Bay Area. I pay that for a premade sammich at Whole Foods.

Aren't the made-to-order sandwiches at WFs around $7? They are at the Oakland location. A sandwich that includes meat, cheese, and all the trimmings requested.

$7 for frying two pieces of buttered bread with cheese in between is a rip off. Unless the cheese is exceptional in some manner, or something else(truffle oil?) is added to it.

Grilled cheese sandwiches are served often because they're cheap and easy to make. Pay that much and see it as a convenience fee, not as getting decent food for the money.


You know how I know you didn't read the thread?
 
2013-07-31 07:41:42 PM
RevMark: That looks more like frybread... what you'd make an Indian Taco with. Which are delicious.

Probably a regional name for the same or similar thing.

"Johnnycake (also jonnycake, johnny cake, journey cake, shawnee cake and johnny bread) is a cornmeal flatbread that was an early American staple food and is prepared on the Atlantic coast from Newfoundland to Jamaica.[1] The food probably originates from the native inhabitants of North America. It is still eaten in the West Indies, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, Colombia, and Bermuda[2] as well as in the United States. In Australia a johnny cake was made with wheat meal and baked on the ashes or fried in a pan."
 
2013-07-31 07:43:07 PM
RevMark: That looks more like frybread... what you'd make an Indian Taco with. Which are delicious.

VS

"Frybread (also spelled fry bread) is a flat dough fried or deep-fried in oil, shortening, or lard. The dough is generally leavened by yeast or baking powder.[citation needed] Frybread can be eaten alone or with various toppings such as honey, jam, or hot beef. Frybread can also be made into tacos (Indian tacos). It is a simple complement to meals."

// fried + bread, close enough to probably not make much of a difference.
 
2013-07-31 07:51:00 PM
Fark food trucks.
 
2013-07-31 07:59:16 PM

C0rf: thamike: I have absolutely no sympathy for overpriced food truck tourist behemoths clogging up the city and nudging out the Salvadoran couple that makes the best pupusas in town

You know how I knew you're near DC before clicking on your profile?

/Pupuserías FTW


Pupusas, Pho, and Peruvian chicken.  It's really the only charm besides low unemployment that Northern VA has.
 
2013-07-31 07:59:35 PM
RoyBatty:

Okay, I vote everyone dies in this story.

I may have to do a PhotoShop with this sentiment because it accurately expresses my feelings on so many occasions.
 
2013-07-31 08:06:57 PM

lordargent: "Frybread (also spelled fry bread) is a flat dough fried or deep-fried in oil, shortening, or lard. The dough is generally leavened by yeast or baking powder.[citation needed] Frybread can be eaten alone or with various toppings such as honey, jam, or hot beef. Frybread can also be made into tacos (Indian tacos). It is a simple complement to meals."

// fried + bread, close enough to probably not make much of a difference.


My mother used to make that, except she called it Hot Water Cornbread.. made out of cornmeal, natch.

I loved it with butter & syrup.
 
2013-07-31 08:24:27 PM
I lean towards the company's viewpoint, honestly. We don't know why the company didn't leave a tip - for example, many food service providers roll a gratuity into the bill on large orders, and that assumption may have been made here - but I do know that an employee should not put an employer into the position that this chucklehead did, and then act surprised when their employer fires them for being a chucklehead.

What chuckleheads don't yet understand is that, despite urgings to the contrary, the lifetime of online information is practically  forever.Even if a single provider or ISP pulls the information off their site, the rapidity at which information propagates makes it devilishly hard to undo harm. Cached sites, screenshots, forums, etc. - once it's up, chances are that it's up forever. This chucklehead caused harm to the business of his employer, and for no useful reason. To appease a customer that apparently is willing to drop $170 a pop with them, the employer had to make a gesture, and firing this chucklehead was a fairly solid one.
 
2013-07-31 08:28:05 PM

FormlessOne: I lean towards the company's viewpoint, honestly. We don't know why the company didn't leave a tip - for example, many food service providers roll a gratuity into the bill on large orders, and that assumption may have been made here - but I do know that an employee should not put an employer into the position that this chucklehead did, and then act surprised when their employer fires them for being a chucklehead.

What chuckleheads don't yet understand is that, despite urgings to the contrary, the lifetime of online information is practically  forever.Even if a single provider or ISP pulls the information off their site, the rapidity at which information propagates makes it devilishly hard to undo harm. Cached sites, screenshots, forums, etc. - once it's up, chances are that it's up forever. This chucklehead caused harm to the business of his employer, and for no useful reason. To appease a customer that apparently is willing to drop $170 a pop with them, the employer had to make a gesture, and firing this chucklehead was a fairly solid one.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-31 08:35:08 PM
FormlessOne: I lean towards the company's viewpoint, honestly. We don't know why the company didn't leave a tip - for example, many food service providers roll a gratuity into the bill on large orders, and that assumption may have been made here - but I do know that an employee should not put an employer into the position that this chucklehead did

This automatic tip thing needs to stop. When did tips go from being a reward to an expected thing.

Put a service charge on the bill and pay your servers a legitimate wage.

THEN if service is above normal, I will give an additional tip that's in line with the level of service received.
 
2013-07-31 09:07:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: This! I would never eat any sandwich that costs this much. I'm so glad that I live here in Waco, TX where we have significantly limited dining options. I would never want to live in a place like New Dork City with all of their crazy food. My cousin went there and he said the Olive Garden in Times Square charged almost twice what they do here in Waco. What is wrong with those people?


Whether or not you meant this comment seriously, it's gold either way.
 
2013-07-31 11:45:34 PM

thamike: WE SHOULD START A FOOD TRUCK, LIKE THE COLOREDS!


Plonk and good farking riddance.
 
2013-07-31 11:47:02 PM

puffy999: I go to a restaurant for f*cking food, not to talk to you


So stay at home if food is all you want. Nobody is forcing you to go out. You are, however, forcing people to have to deal with your sour ass every time you patronize them.
 
2013-07-31 11:47:06 PM

thamike: puffy999: so I've always wondered why the cooks aren't getting the tips.

They sell the drugs to the managers, waiters, and customers by proxy.  Have you ever tipped a drug dealer?


In the restaurant I currently work at (hopefully not for much longer), the kitchen gets a cut I the server's tips because we help them out (run their salads and food, buss their tables, etc.)

And, hypothetically speaking, I would tip a drug dealer if he brought some edibles and hashish (bigger charge than just straight weed) back for me when he last came back to visit from Colorado. Hypothetically.
 
2013-07-31 11:55:11 PM

FarkinNortherner: Wow. What a whiny, entitled, little prick.

The justice or injustice of tipping is a question again under hot debate; the incivility of failing to leave a tip on an order of that size, in the current arrangement of things, is not. There is a reason so many restaurants impose a mandatory tip on parties of a certain size.

It's not a restaurant, farkwit. You don't have servers whose time is disproportionately taken up by larger groups, you don't even deliver. The difference between a dozen customers and one bill and a dozen customers and a dozen bills is that you only have to process one transaction.


You have clearly not RTFA or worked any sort of food service.
 
2013-08-01 12:00:10 AM
There are so many ways the "Leadership Team" could have handled this well and only one way they could have mishandled it.

And yes I am saying they mishandled it.

East coast mgmt. should have walked back to the truck , ordered another round for more employees, tipped and of coarse asked who got the tip last time so they can be reimbursed. Finding out that no tip was left, they could have fixed that oversite, apologized and then watch twitter miracles happen.

Head Office should have explained how to do the above or something similar where everyone wins.

Neither mgmt. teams have the savvy to be called "Leaders" and neither deserve a Bonus (aka TIP) this year as they exposed  their entire organization to further ridicule with their response.

It may not have been the smartest move by the guy at the food truck to complain on Twitter, but  I can sympathize for his need for more money. The Occupy protests and events around the 2007 financial collapse showed how me  the people at the top (and the decision to complain to the food truck owner came from the top) can't lose while those at the bottom have to beg for every win.

I will also add that the decision to get the Twiiter poster seems like an opportunistic abuse of someone who has relatively little power.  Again I would conclude that the need to squash someone who is powerless to fight back is an indication of that managers abilities.
 
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