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2013-07-31 01:50:46 AM

WhyteRaven74: gameshowhost: Look -- econ is a social science. It's imperfect, but that doesn't mean it's invalid.

It helps when you remember the social part. After all, economic activity is social activity.


Exactly.

And since it's also a science, you have to put your falsifiable theories to the test with real-world measurements, not just rely on, say, laissez-faire theoretical bullshiatting.  Or worse yet, praxeology. *shudder*
 
2013-07-31 01:51:03 AM

WhyteRaven74: tenpoundsofcheese: So the 25b doesn't count at all?

it's net worth, Bezos has no real say so in what that is. Indeed it's other people thinking Amazon is worth something thanks to the work he's done that determines it. Bezos could get his actual salary upped but as far as his net worth, that's just up to the opinions of other people. At the end of the day, stock prices are nothing but statements of opinion.


wow.  just wow.
Then isn't the check he gets for his monthly salary also just a "statement of opinion"?
 
2013-07-31 01:58:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: tenpoundsofcheese: So the 25b doesn't count at all?

it's net worth, Bezos has no real say so in what that is. Indeed it's other people thinking Amazon is worth something thanks to the work he's done that determines it. Bezos could get his actual salary upped but as far as his net worth, that's just up to the opinions of other people. At the end of the day, stock prices are nothing but statements of opinion.


You know, I remember that you kept coming to Romney's defense by saying "he wasn't drawing a salary as governor and he isn't really wealthy, it is just a bunch of opinions that people have". 

At least you are consistent.
 
2013-07-31 02:05:06 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: gameshowhost: tenpoundsofcheese:

You do realize that minimum wage laws are an externality that you said shouldn't exist for their to be a level playing field right?


Supply and demand will always create a difference in market power so that is the second bullet to your argument.

1) Minimum wage laws are price floors that *address* the market failure "not a level playing field".  Get your cause-effect in order.

You said:  "That underlying, rigid structure is predicated on 1) there being no externalities to the transaction" so floor or not,minimum wage laws are externalities that prevent efficient pricing.

2) i... wat... just, wat?

You also said there needs to be a level playing field.  Supply and demand influence pricing in the labor markets as well as who has the advantage on the playing field.


I. You left out the fact that I also said that 2) all players must be price takers. Please look up that term. I'm going to bed. BTW all other things being equal, if you remove minimum wage laws *you get an even worse outcome for society*. You do not improve pricing or best outcome for society by removing a price floor that exists to help correct a market failure.

II. You're making no sense.  The germane idea is that a level playing field is a prerequisite to achieving an efficient market outcome.  What you're saying necessarily negates that, leaving a logical contradiction, meaning that the economic framework you're using does not work.... and I'm going to bed
 
2013-07-31 02:18:07 AM

gameshowhost: tenpoundsofcheese: gameshowhost: tenpoundsofcheese:

You do realize that minimum wage laws are an externality that you said shouldn't exist for their to be a level playing field right?


Supply and demand will always create a difference in market power so that is the second bullet to your argument.

1) Minimum wage laws are price floors that *address* the market failure "not a level playing field".  Get your cause-effect in order.

You said:  "That underlying, rigid structure is predicated on 1) there being no externalities to the transaction" so floor or not,minimum wage laws are externalities that prevent efficient pricing.

2) i... wat... just, wat?

You also said there needs to be a level playing field.  Supply and demand influence pricing in the labor markets as well as who has the advantage on the playing field.

I. You left out the fact that I also said that 2) all players must be price takers.


I left it out because your argument failed at the first argument - you were arguing against minimum wages since it is an externality.


II. You're making no sense.  The germane idea is that a level playing field is a prerequisite to achieving an efficient market outcome...and I'm going to bed

No, efficiency comes from supply meeting demand at a price point which inherently has one party have an advantage in determining the price.

Yes, you should go to bed since you are obviously tired, very tired.
 
2013-07-31 02:33:39 AM

LasersHurt: Jesus, guys, it's a thought experiment. You don't have to actually double their salaries - especially the CEO and stuff. The point is that you could easily increase their wages, pay for it with a small increase in prices, and have everyone be a bit better off.


So much this. As far as I'm concerned, your comment should have pretty much ended the whole discussion.
 
2013-07-31 02:36:12 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Voiceofreason01: Pray 4 Mojo:
/If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.

because everybody can be a billionaire CEO of a Fortune 500 company if they just work hard enough!

/that anybody can become a huge success regardless of their circumstances is probably the biggest lie of the "American Dream"

Yes... because you either work at McDonalds or are a CEO... there is nothing in between.

I work with minimum wage employees all the time... there's a reason they are minimum wage employees.


If you're expecting somebody to dedicate 8 hours a day to making you money and you're only paying them minimum wage, you deserve the shiatty performance they give you.

I won't walk in a farking door for less than $25/hr with full benefits, but I have skills. Even when I was a teenager I demanded $9/hr minimum and those that paid it and gave me raises every 6 months got a dedicated employee.

Nobody is a serf, and making them work like a dog to not even be able to sustain themselves comfortably is disrespectful.
 
2013-07-31 02:38:33 AM

gameshowhost: tenpoundsofcheese: gameshowhost: tenpoundsofcheese:

You do realize that minimum wage laws are an externality that you said shouldn't exist for their to be a level playing field right?


Supply and demand will always create a difference in market power so that is the second bullet to your argument.

1) Minimum wage laws are price floors that *address* the market failure "not a level playing field".  Get your cause-effect in order.

You said:  "That underlying, rigid structure is predicated on 1) there being no externalities to the transaction" so floor or not,minimum wage laws are externalities that prevent efficient pricing.

2) i... wat... just, wat?

You also said there needs to be a level playing field.  Supply and demand influence pricing in the labor markets as well as who has the advantage on the playing field.

I. You left out the fact that I also said that 2) all players must be price takers. Please look up that term. I'm going to bed. BTW all other things being equal, if you remove minimum wage laws *you get an even worse outcome for society*. You do not improve pricing or best outcome for society by removing a price floor that exists to help correct a market failure.

II. You're making no sense.  The germane idea is that a level playing field is a prerequisite to achieving an efficient market outcome.  What you're saying necessarily negates that, leaving a logical contradiction, meaning that the economic framework you're using does not work.... and I'm going to bed


All players in the labor market are price takers. No one player determines the market price for labor.

Unions try to
 
2013-07-31 02:39:04 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: wow. just wow.


It's quite normal to find two companies in the same industry with financial statements that are nearly identical, yet one has a good stock price and the other doesn't. If two companies have the same financial numbers shouldn't their stock prices be near the same instead of far apart?
 
2013-07-31 02:43:26 AM

BgJonson79: Except, one must get a degree in a major that sets them apart from everyone else. Which means it's more than likely significantly more difficult to achieve. My guess is that someone working fast food for twenty-four years simply doesn't have the ability to progress further.


And let's not forget that most of the Captains of Industry that are posting in this thread are probably too young to remember a time when student loans were fairly uncommon, because it wasn't completely impossible to work your way through 4 years of college.  The education system has been rigged as assuredly as the labor situation.  Getting a college degree from a decent school without saddling yourself with an enormous un-discharge-able debt is now reserved for the privileged.
 
2013-07-31 02:54:10 AM

WhyteRaven74: tenpoundsofcheese: wow. just wow.

It's quite normal to find two companies in the same industry with financial statements that are nearly identical, yet one has a good stock price and the other doesn't. If two companies have the same financial numbers shouldn't their stock prices be near the same instead of far apart?


You made up an example and claimed it is normal so I'll make up the answer and say it is because one is run by a Republican and the lesser valued company is run by a Democrat.

Now, if you can actually have a citation for two companies in the same industry with nearly identical financial statements with a good vs. a bad stock price, please let me know so I can make some money.

By the way, what do you mean a good stock price vs. a bad stock price?  Do those imaginary companies also have the same capital structure, the same preferences on the different classes of stock and the same number of shares outstanding and shares authorized?
 
2013-07-31 02:55:01 AM

iq_in_binary: Pray 4 Mojo: Voiceofreason01: Pray 4 Mojo:
/If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.

because everybody can be a billionaire CEO of a Fortune 500 company if they just work hard enough!

/that anybody can become a huge success regardless of their circumstances is probably the biggest lie of the "American Dream"

Yes... because you either work at McDonalds or are a CEO... there is nothing in between.

I work with minimum wage employees all the time... there's a reason they are minimum wage employees.

If you're expecting somebody to dedicate 8 hours a day to making you money and you're only paying them minimum wage, you deserve the shiatty performance they give you.

I won't walk in a farking door for less than $25/hr with full benefits, but I have skills. Even when I was a teenager I demanded $9/hr minimum and those that paid it and gave me raises every 6 months got a dedicated employee.

Nobody is a serf, and making them work like a dog to not even be able to sustain themselves comfortably is disrespectful.


They don't work for me... they work for other people under my supervision.

And your attitude is backwards. Paying somebody who has minimum wage (and frankly... lower than minimum wage) skills, ability and attitude $15 or whatever an hour doesn't magically make them better employees.

People aren't bad employees because they make minimum wage... they make minimum wage because they're bad employees.

Demonstrate that you're worth more than 8 bucks an hour... and you'll get it.
 
2013-07-31 03:00:08 AM

Fade2black: Fast food is a job a monkey could do.


So is being a CEO, as long as the monkey is well-connected.
 
2013-07-31 03:00:30 AM
What if you doubled the pay of any McD's employee making less than $100k a year, and halved the CEO's pay.  I bet Big Mac's would be $1 cheaper.
 
2013-07-31 03:05:49 AM

Z-clipped: Fade2black: Fast food is a job a monkey could do.

So is being a CEO, as long as the monkey is well-connected.


Ahhhh yes... CEO bashing. The mating call of the young and/or ignorant Farker.

Every CEO of every corporation ever got his job because of who his Daddy played golf with... of course.
 
2013-07-31 03:09:48 AM

The Southern Dandy: What if you doubled the pay of any McD's employee making less than $100k a year, and halved the CEO's pay.  I bet Big Mac's would be $1 cheaper.


Are you willing to actually make that bet?
 
2013-07-31 03:16:07 AM

The Southern Dandy: What if you doubled the pay of any McD's employee making less than $100k a year, and halved the CEO's pay.  I bet Big Mac's would be $1 cheaper.


McDs employs over 1M people
The CEO pay was about $14M.

So if even only 1% of those 1M people made less that 100k, the most you could raise their salary is $700/year to just break even.

Of course, far more that 1% make less than 100k per year.
 
2013-07-31 03:16:25 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Z-clipped: Fade2black: Fast food is a job a monkey could do.

So is being a CEO, as long as the monkey is well-connected.

Ahhhh yes... CEO bashing. The mating call of the young and/or ignorant Farker.

Every CEO of every corporation ever got his job because of who his Daddy played golf with... of course.


Thats ridiculous.  Only most of them.
 
2013-07-31 03:20:43 AM
I'm typically very liberal about a lot of things, but fast food employees making 15/hr is stupid.
Give them all a flat 3.5% across the board.

There is no reason that you should be working in fast food after high school beyond the fact that you fail to take responsibility for your own life. Go get a call center job if you really want to stay a slacker and make a bit more money

//8 years of tech support under my belt.
///escaped call center black holes 6 years ago
////slashies!
 
2013-07-31 03:30:08 AM
So if we cut their salaries to minimum wage, Big Macs could feed the world?  Sign me up for 50 cent big macs and a cure to world hunger.
 
2013-07-31 03:34:53 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Ahhhh yes... CEO bashing. The mating call of the young and/or ignorant Farker.


No, the fact is, most jobs (even the ones that require college degrees) are pretty simple most of the time.  I'd bet money that if you were dropped into a McDonalds kitchen without training, you wouldn't be able to make a hamburger to their spec if your life depended on it.
 
2013-07-31 03:37:33 AM
*clicks thread hoping to laugh at socialism disguised as indignant, economically-clueless 'compassion', leaving satisfied*
 
2013-07-31 03:45:23 AM

Weaver95: I've always been puzzled by ayn rand cultists who get VERY upset when min wage workers start acting in their own rational self interest.

Rand Cult: 'go forth and screw over anyone/everyone to advance yourselves!'
workers: 'ok, lets form a powerful union, bring our corporate CEO to his knees, and make our lives better.'
Rand Cult: 'hey you can't DO that!?  it's WRONG!'


Yea, it works well when you have a CEO that actually cares. However if you have a CEO that's a pain, they can simply close the shop and move to Mexico/China/etc. McD might not be able to leave (per se), but anything processing their food could.
 
2013-07-31 03:50:38 AM
www.theblindcard.com

rareick?

 
2013-07-31 03:52:42 AM

Z-clipped: Pray 4 Mojo: Ahhhh yes... CEO bashing. The mating call of the young and/or ignorant Farker.

No, the fact is, most jobs (even the ones that require college degrees) are pretty simple most of the time.  I'd bet money that if you were dropped into a McDonalds kitchen without training, you wouldn't be able to make a hamburger to their spec if your life depended on it.


Really? Is that a fact?

They're "simple" only because the people doing them have years of eduction, training and experience. Do you want the kid from McDonalds doing your taxes? I mean... it's just putting numbers in a column... right?

I don't have a degree... but the experience level of people that are successful in my profession is around 20-30 years. I'm guessing I could be trained to make a Big Mac in under a minute. 30 seconds if there's a chart... which I'm sure there is.

Doesn't make me a better person than the burger flipper... it just makes me more valuable to my employer.
 
2013-07-31 04:18:05 AM

BgJonson79: MBrady: Aarontology: You can have good wages, or you can have welfare.

those are your choices.

Or you can go to college and get a degree so you can get a better job and get good wages.

Most people don't make working in fast food a career move (unless it involves management).   If you do,  you might just be a liberal arts college student (or graduate) living in your mom's basement - and you deserve it.

If you chose to stay at a minimum wage job for 24 years (like the idiot on cnn today), then you deserve to live in your mom's basement.  In those 24 years, did you ever think of trying to better yourself?

Except, one must get a degree in a major that sets them apart from everyone else.  Which means it's more than likely significantly more difficult to achieve.  My guess is that someone working fast food for twenty-four years simply doesn't have the ability to progress further.


Oh?   I  have a BSEE degree.  There are hundreds of thousands of Electrical Engineers in the United States.  It doesn't set me apart.

My guess is that he simply doesn't have the desire to progress any further.
 
2013-07-31 06:04:12 AM
Would still depend on how close you were to a Disney property...
 
2013-07-31 06:53:26 AM

Phineas: *clicks thread hoping to laugh at socialism disguised as indignant, economically-clueless 'compassion', leaving satisfied*


*clicks  SOSHLISM1!!1! counter*
 
2013-07-31 06:53:53 AM

ferretman: FTA: "In other words, for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its <a data-cke-saved-href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/04/news/companies/mc donalds_jobs/index.ht m" target="_hplink">more than 500,000 U.S. employees."

Yes...there are no other costs besides employee pay and benefits. What the student hasn't taken into account, if minimum wage was doubled, the rising costs associated with the suppliers, the ones who manufacture the beef patties, chicken nuggets, soda syrup, shake mix, french fries, fish sandwiches, packaging suppliers, etc. These are all manufactured by other companies under contract to, in this case, McDonalds and are typically union-shops (at least on the east coast). If everyone's wages increase the product cost will increase and there will be less jobs.


Seems like you are missing the point..... as in
 
2013-07-31 06:54:30 AM

tbeatty: So if we cut their salaries to minimum wage, Big Macs could feed the world?  Sign me up for 50 cent big macs and a cure to world hunger.


You ever see Super Size Me?
 
2013-07-31 07:01:05 AM

ferretman: FTA: "In other words, for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its <a data-cke-saved-href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/04/news/companies/mc donalds_jobs/index.ht m" target="_hplink">more than 500,000 U.S. employees."

Yes...there are no other costs besides employee pay and benefits. What the student hasn't taken into account, if minimum wage was doubled, the rising costs associated with the suppliers, the ones who manufacture the beef patties, chicken nuggets, soda syrup, shake mix, french fries, fish sandwiches, packaging suppliers, etc. These are all manufactured by other companies under contract to, in this case, McDonalds and are typically union-shops (at least on the east coast). If everyone's wages increase the product cost will increase and there will be less jobs.


Nobody thinks ahead, they just think of the "now".
 
2013-07-31 07:23:52 AM

Weaver95: I've always been puzzled by ayn rand cultists who get VERY upset when min wage workers start acting in their own rational self interest.

Rand Cult: 'go forth and screw over anyone/everyone to advance yourselves!'
workers: 'ok, lets form a powerful union, bring our corporate CEO to his knees, and make our lives better.'
Rand Cult: 'hey you can't DO that!?  it's WRONG!'


In fairness, I could be mistaken, but I do believe that Rand had no problem with organized labor in principle and depicted the morally correct businessperson as treating his workers in such a way that they would not feel the need to unionize. If workers freely choose to make their demands collectively, I can't think of any good reason that would have made Rand's head explode.
 
2013-07-31 07:35:42 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: /If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.


"Failure" shouldn't mean near permanent poverty of the type many of these workers experience.
 
2013-07-31 07:36:36 AM
Salaries are determined by the  Supply of workers with a specific skill and the  Demand of employers for that skill. Pretty much any idiot can flip a burger, therefore it is a minimum wage job. If you want to make double the minimum wage, get off your lazy ass and learn a skill that is actually worth the amount of money you want to make... Stop telling people that if they fail, and just wallow there long enough, someone will come a long and make it better for them.

This is the Land of the Free, not the Land of Free...
 
2013-07-31 07:48:05 AM
What bothers me here is the belief that someone can live decently on $15/hour.  Even if they work full time - that is only like $27,000 per year - you can't get a decent house in most metro areas for less than $300k - we should be paying fast food workers enough to put a roof over the heads of their family, feed them well, get a decent set of wheels, and have a nice annual (paid) vacation.  I suggest that you re-think your plan, and make sure EVERYONE gets paid at least $100,000/year - heck even at that rate the CEO will still make way more than the average front line worker - but we can fix that later.   Paying the front line employees $100,000 per year would only raise the price of a Big Mac by $2 - and who would not be willing to pay another $2 for their lunch in order to assure that the guy/gal taking your order would make a decent living?

I will even take it one step further - the minimum wage in the US should be a fixed salary of $100,000, which would include a 30 hour work week, free health insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, a nice time share at the beach, and perhaps a yacht.  We can pay for it by cutting CEOs (not their pay - the position - they are not needed anyway).
 
2013-07-31 07:55:19 AM

justadadX3: What bothers me here is the belief that someone can live decently on $15/hour.  Even if they work full time - that is only like $27,000 per year - you can't get a decent house in most metro areas for less than $300k - we should be paying fast food workers enough to put a roof over the heads of their family, feed them well, get a decent set of wheels, and have a nice annual (paid) vacation.  I suggest that you re-think your plan, and make sure EVERYONE gets paid at least $100,000/year - heck even at that rate the CEO will still make way more than the average front line worker - but we can fix that later.   Paying the front line employees $100,000 per year would only raise the price of a Big Mac by $2 - and who would not be willing to pay another $2 for their lunch in order to assure that the guy/gal taking your order would make a decent living?

I will even take it one step further - the minimum wage in the US should be a fixed salary of $100,000, which would include a 30 hour work week, free health insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, a nice time share at the beach, and perhaps a yacht.  We can pay for it by cutting CEOs (not their pay - the position - they are not needed anyway).


+1
 
2013-07-31 08:01:13 AM

tbeatty: So if we cut their salaries to minimum wage, Big Macs could feed the world?  Sign me up for 50 cent big macs and a cure to world hunger.


This would make the greatest backstory for some post apocalyptic scifi movie.  Popular revolution overthrows "the one percent" and repurposes their wealth towards feeding free McDonalds to everybody in the world, and the resulting plague annihilates humanity and turns the earth into a wasteland of wrappers and french fry cartons blowing in the wind.
Movie is set 10 years later, but the main characters still survive by rummaging through the storage closets of abandoned McDonalds franchises, eating sandwiches that still taste exactly the same.
 
2013-07-31 08:11:35 AM

SCUBA_Archer: I know plenty of folks with $100k+ in college debt who are fighting to keep their barista job at Starbucks.


You know their names, right? Or is this an apocryphal story your telling us?
 
2013-07-31 08:11:40 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Ahhhh yes... CEO bashing. The mating call of the young and/or ignorant Farker.


how many CEOs have ever actually done what their company makes its revenues doing? How many have engineered a single part? How many have ever actually dealt with customers? Truth be told, most CEOs these days can't exactly be said to be business people.

Phineas: *clicks thread hoping to laugh at socialism disguised as indignant, economically-clueless 'compassion', leaving satisfied*


Not up on the definition of socialism are you? Also what's wrong with compassion?
 
2013-07-31 08:13:48 AM
Maus III: oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, i finally get a chance to put my word of the day calendar to use. i'm going to goapocryphal all over this guy.
 
2013-07-31 08:14:22 AM

justadadX3: I will even take it one step further - the minimum wage in the US should be a fixed salary of $100,000, which would include a 30 hour work week, free health insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, a nice time share at the beach, and perhaps a yacht.  We can pay for it by cutting CEOs (not their pay - the position - they are not needed anyway).


It's sooooo easy to spot a 15 to 17 year old boy on Fark it's not funny.
 
2013-07-31 08:16:20 AM

philotech: Salaries are determined by the  Supply of workers with a specific skill and the  Demand of employers for that skill. Pretty much any idiot can flip a burger, therefore it is a minimum wage job. If you want to make double the minimum wage, get off your lazy ass and learn a skill that is actually worth the amount of money you want to make... Stop telling people that if they fail, and just wallow there long enough, someone will come a long and make it better for them.

This is the Land of the Free, not the Land of Free...


when it comes to labor, citing supply and demand ignores one key thing, the human side of things. Also supply and demand gets ignored all the time when it comes to labor.
 
2013-07-31 08:19:04 AM

Aarontology: You can have good wages, or you can have welfare.

those are your choices.


So we can be like Australia, which doesn't have much welfare, but their minimum wage is more than double the US?
 
2013-07-31 08:21:12 AM
We built all this crap to serve mankind.  Period.  There is no other purpose.  When the human beings it is supposed to serve become inconvenient to the analysis or the structure, yo sh*t be broke.
 
2013-07-31 08:21:19 AM

ThatDarkFellow: apocryphal sounds like a big word to me

 
2013-07-31 08:21:56 AM

iq_in_binary: Nobody is a serf, and making them work like a dog to not even be able to sustain themselves comfortably is disrespectful.


WRONG: Everyone is a serf. And working the rank and file to death on the materialist treadmill is the ONLY way to make sure the HIGH stay permanently high and the low stay LOW. Forever.

It's been proven time and time again: the more you pay the unwashed masses and the more "respect" (whatever that means) you give them the less productive they become. Treating the rank and file like shiat and paying them shiat ensures a humble, subservient workforce. Which is exactly what this world needs to stay productive.

/My apologies to the 15 - 17 year old Fark kiddies with their egalitarian pipe dreams.
 
2013-07-31 08:27:21 AM

WhyteRaven74: Not up on the definition of socialism are you? Also what's wrong with compassion?


Haven't you heard?  Soshlimz iz teh commniss and opposite of the one true way of capitalismz which is cruel but fair and will lead us gloriously into the bright new reich of ever expanding wealth!  Or, you know, they might just all be arguably useful use-as-needed components being sold as be all end all monothematic solutions to world peace by a lot of very well dressed con men.  Most people can't adjust to the plain as the balls on a tall dog notion that the crap they were spoon fed as kids as "the way sh*t works" might just be something that got knocked together in the garage last week by some bums on the plush who knew a gravy train when they saw it.
 
2013-07-31 08:27:41 AM

Lucksbane: Starting pay at In-n Out is $10 /hr and you know what they get for that?  Ridiculously polite, literate staff and a drive through line that wraps around the block.  Now is some of that attributed to better hamburgers than McDonalds?  Sure, but their fries suck balls and there is nothing else on the menu.  Prices are roughly the same and somehow In n Out is able to pay their employees more.  Their employees treat the customers better which helps drive sales.


I always thought that was a better idea. I don't think fast food burger flippers are worth 15 bucks an hour, but I would (had I owned such an establishment) pay them them over min wage. Something like 10-12 bucks, and I would make it known "I am paying you more than any other fast food place. In return, I expect you to do your job well, treat customers with respect, and not act like a general ass-tard. If you come to work with attitude, if you spend half your shift smoking and the other half shoving pies into your foodhole, if you can't work quickly and efficently, while still smiling for the customer, I'll find someone else"

The fast food places in Petersburg, VA sucks royal ass (with the exception of the Arbys). The customer service is horrible, and you can tell the works just simply do not care. I was in the D/T at a McDs and the order taker was talking on her cell phone. I could hear her over the speaker (and as forgot to mute the headset). I tried to order (no other cars in line) and she says "Hold on!" and then starts talking about how Tyrese is banging' some other ho and not taking care of his baby momma. I wait for about 2 minutes, and try and order again. "I said holds on a second, damn!". After this I drive up to the window, and there she is just chatting away. I give a little honk, and without looking at me, she puts up the "wait a minute" finger. I go inside to talk to the manager, tell her about what happened and she says "Alright. What you want to order den?"

The Taco Bell has 45% track record in getting my order right, and 2 out of three times if I order cinnamon twists or an apple pie, they forget to even give it to me.

And the Burger King. The farking Burger King. I order a 8 piece chicken nugget. That was it. Just 8 nuggets. No fries, no drink to confuse them. Just 8 little nuggets. They jack it up. How bad? I didn't get 6 nuggets by mistake. I didnyt get chicken fries instead of nuggets. I didn't even get a chicken product at all. (And before I go any further, I'll point out I ordered like a normal person. "8 piece nugget, please". I wasn't being an asshole to them, so they felt they needed to fark with me) I got a sasuage patty. I'll type that again. Sasuage patty. In the nugget box. The box itself says what goes in there. It's like some guy was standing there. A nugget box in one hand, a set of tongs in the other. And in a moment of utter shock, he realized he had no farking idea of what to do next. Looking at the screen was like reading a foriegn language. "8 pc nugget"? What are those strange glowing runes? Panic set in. He can't just stand there all day with box and tongs in hand. He had to do something. ANYTHING. Thinking quickly, he grabs the first thing he sees. A round, blackened sasuage patty. The fact that this was 3pm and there shouldnt even have *been* any sasuage patties as breakfast ended 5 hours ago didn't even register (at least not on a concious level). By the gods, he had an item, and he was gonna make it work. With a new found speed that would make a cheeta envious, he slaps the dry hunk of what used to be food into the box, tosses it into a bag with 30 napkins and steps back with a  smile and proclaims "Mission acomplished! I'm going to go smoke some weed!"

This my fast food fiends, is why you get paid minimum wage. Because you suck at working and you suck at life in general. Not all of you. In fact, probably a larger precentage of you are good people. But the rest of you, you know who you are.
 
2013-07-31 08:31:23 AM

grath: I'm typically very liberal about a lot of things, but fast food employees making 15/hr is stupid.
Give them all a flat 3.5% across the board.

There is no reason that you should be working in fast food after high school beyond the fact that you fail to take responsibility for your own life. Go get a call center job if you really want to stay a slacker and make a bit more money

//8 years of tech support under my belt.
///escaped call center black holes 6 years ago
////slashies!


You sir fail for writing off millions of Americans as slackers. Not everyone is ready for college after high school mentally/emotionally, not everyone can afford college straight out of high school. <-- That last one is the big one.

Parents can no longer pay for college, funding for college primarily comes from a combination of grants/loans/scholarships these days.

Working through college is pretty impossible now for two reasons. 1: The cost of college has gone up quite dramatically. 2: The jobs you'd work at to work through college are less flexible than ever. Meaning its impossible to get a fixed schedule that you can go to college around, etc.

Then there is the fact that automation and robots will eventually replace a great number of jobs. Mainly blue collar, but also some white collar jobs. What do we do with all the people who didn't go to college after that? Since a lot of you on this thread seem not to care for raising the minimum wage so people can get off welfare, I guess you wouldn't mind having more American's on welfare.
 
2013-07-31 08:32:10 AM

MythDragon: And the Burger King. The farking Burger King. I order a 8 piece chicken nugget. That was it. Just 8 nuggets. No fries, no drink to confuse them. Just 8 little nuggets. They jack it up. How bad? I didn't get 6 nuggets by mistake. I didnyt get chicken fries instead of nuggets. I didn't even get a chicken product at all. (And before I go any further, I'll point out I ordered like a normal person. "8 piece nugget, please". I wasn't being an asshole to them, so they felt they needed to fark with me) I got a sasuage patty. I'll type that again. Sasuage patty. In the nugget box. The box itself says what goes in there. It's like some guy was standing there. A nugget box in one hand, a set of tongs in the other. And in a moment of utter shock, he realized he had no farking idea of what to do next. Looking at the screen was like reading a foriegn language. "8 pc nugget"? What are those strange glowing runes? Panic set in. He can't just stand there all day with box and tongs in hand. He had to do something. ANYTHING. Thinking quickly, he grabs the first thing he sees. A round, blackened sasuage patty. The fact that this was 3pm and there shouldnt even have *been* any sasuage patties as breakfast ended 5 hours ago didn't even register (at least not on a concious level). By the gods, he had an item, and he was gonna make it work. With a new found speed that would make a cheeta envious, he slaps the dry hunk of what used to be food into the box, tosses it into a bag with 30 napkins and steps back with a  smile and proclaims "Mission acomplished! I'm going to go smoke some weed!"


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