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2013-07-30 07:26:13 PM
People, people, people! Mcdonalds are franchised. The franchisee is responsible for wages and UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, which will also go up.
 
2013-07-30 07:26:18 PM

bronyaur1: Probably already said, but do demand curves still slope down?  If so, qty falls with increasing price, and so will revenue and therefore profit.



Why should we care about McDonalds' profits more than the welfare of their employees, or the fact that many of their employees have to be on welfare to survive for that matter?

I have no problem with McDonalds taking a hit to their profits in order to better care for their employees.  Of course, MdDonalds won't do this voluntarily, so the options are unionization to level the playing field, the government increasing the minimum wage to a livable one, or creating enough public outrage that it becomes a good business case for McDonalds to do it on their own.
 
2013-07-30 07:26:30 PM
You're not getting double your pay when actual professionals looking for work can't even find that kind of pay. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-30 07:26:45 PM
This is true Fark right here.

A link about fast food worker's wages gets pages full of outrage because so many Farkers think they are already earning enough, but many of these complaints are probably coming from people with an 'IT admin' job.

You 'IT' people also complain about your salaries, but you are basically the janitors of 2010.

The only difference is that the fast food workers actually have the balls to try and change things.
 
2013-07-30 07:27:06 PM

Jodeo: In other news, $15 per hour is a livable wage.
How about become a great worker or an entrepreneur and write your own story.


But, but, but, that would require some level of personal responsibility--(shhh don't say that on FARK).
 
2013-07-30 07:27:22 PM

marsoft: McDonalds has an unjustified bad reputation.  The McJobs thing is simply stupid.  My wife works for McDonalds in the UK as front of counter staff and earns significantly more than minimum wage after being there for only 6 months.


BTW: Front of counter means she cleans up kids puke and the toilets after truckers have dumped or missed the trap.
 
2013-07-30 07:27:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: In addition, every item on the Dollar Menu would go up by 17 cents.

If everything on the Dollar Menu costs $1.17, it's no longer a Dollar Menu


"With regards to the size of the breadnaming of the menu and calling it the footlongdollar menu, "DOLLAR MENU" is a registered trademark as a descriptive name for the subitems sold in SubwayMcDonald's® Restaurants and not intended to be a measurementdeclaration of lengthprice."
 
2013-07-30 07:27:31 PM

BgJonson79: taoistlumberjak: I don't think people realize that, someday down the road (probably on the order of decades, but who knows),  CONservative policies are going to end up getting a lot of people lined up on the wall and shot.

Some of those people probably deserve it, but it's a direction nobody wants to go in the long run.  CONservatives must be okay with the eventual communist revolution that our country is headed towards.

Why do you say that?


BeCAUse of those dAMn dirty CONservatives. tHAT's why.
 
2013-07-30 07:27:34 PM

WhyteRaven74: ReapTheChaos: After a year or two, when all the wage and price increases have finally settled down, the economy will be right back to where it was before, and $15 an hour minimum wage wont buy a damn thing more than it did at $7.25.

If that was the case then it would be impossible for purchasing power to ever increase. Only thing is between 1947 and 1980 real purchasing power doubled.


That has nothing to do with minimum wage and everything to do with the fact that every year, innovation and technological developments increase the per capita production, energy and food harvesting capabilities of our society. That drives an increase in wages and a corresponding inflation. If you are not productive, you either live off social or personal charity. Some people have welfare, some are married or live with family/friends. Be content that we don't let poor people starve anymore, and get on with struggling to survive like everyone else who doesn't work for the government, or have Congress in their pockets.
 
2013-07-30 07:28:00 PM

ReapTheChaos: Marcus Aurelius: ferretman: FTA: "In other words, for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its <a data-cke-saved-href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/04/news/companies/mc donalds_jobs/index.ht m" target="_hplink">more than 500,000 U.S. employees."

Yes...there are no other costs besides employee pay and benefits. What the student hasn't taken into account, if minimum wage was doubled, the rising costs associated with the suppliers, the ones who manufacture the beef patties, chicken nuggets, soda syrup, shake mix, french fries, fish sandwiches, packaging suppliers, etc. These are all manufactured by other companies under contract to, in this case, McDonalds and are typically union-shops (at least on the east coast). If everyone's wages increase the product cost will increase and there will be less jobs.

Thank God you are nowhere near reality.

Setting the minimum wage close to the true living minimum wage floats all boats, and the economy grows much more quickly.

While companies like Walmart and McDonald's probably could pay $15 and hour by only raising prices on each item they sell a few cents, most smaller businesses would go bankrupt if they had to pay that much. Not only that, but other people start demanding pay raises as well. People with skills and experience who were making $15-20 an hour before minimum wage went up are going to demand an appropriate raise as well, and by all rights they deserve it.

After a year or two, when all the wage and price increases have finally settled down, the economy will be right back to where it was before, and $15 an hour minimum wage wont buy a damn thing more than it did at $7.25.


So, is the solution to have a war, draft everyone that's poor, ship them to the front, and hope they all die?
 
2013-07-30 07:28:01 PM
comedycentral.mtvnimages.com

/Calvin's got a job!
 
2013-07-30 07:28:32 PM

vernonFL: If you eat at McDonald's more than once or twice a year,  you are a bad person and you should feel bad about yourself.

Shame on you.


1 shamrock shake in march
364 days of regret
 
2013-07-30 07:28:38 PM

Weaver95: Pray 4 Mojo: V

I work with minimum wage employees all the time... there's a reason they are minimum wage employees.

I work with managers and vice presidents all the time, as well as with doctors and accountants.  some are good at their jobs, some clearly have no business being where they are, and most just wanna get the job done and go home for a beer and maybe mow the lawn before the sun goes down.  which has about as much relevance as your statement here - its been my experience that if you underpay someone you get what you pay for.  if there isn't any incentive for an employee to actually participate, then yeah - you'll probably get crappy employees.  welcome to human nature 101.  offer someone a real wage increase for doing a good job and hey, i'll bet you get good employees.  not just an extra .60 cents either, I mean $25 bucks an hour if they show up and work for it.


My use of "they" refers to the ones that I actually have experience with... I certainly don't know every minimum wage employee.

If my minimum wage employees are crappy employees BECAUSE I'm paying them minimum wage... then they are crappy employees. Show up early, be smart, work hard and learn... you will get more responsibility and income.
 
2013-07-30 07:28:39 PM

generallyso: BgJonson79: Who decides what a CEO is worth?

The CEOs who sit on his board upon whose boards he sits in one big incestuous circle jerk.


And the shareholders have no say at all?
 
2013-07-30 07:28:58 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: You don't own McDonald's. It's none of your farking business what they decide to offer in wages or salary to ANY of their workers.


It is if they pay their workers so little that MY tax dollars end up having to provide food stamps and welfare for them.

Though you probably want to eliminate those, too.
 
2013-07-30 07:29:21 PM

Weaver95: BgJonson79: Weaver95: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: But what if the increased cost resulted in a decrease in demand and thus lower sales? They may be able to pay employees more, but they'd have to cut costs somewhere else.

well, given that your average CEO makes 400% more than they're worth....you could start there.

Who decides what a CEO is worth?

well, basically the CEO stacks the board of directors with his buddies, then tells them that he will give them raises if they make sure he gets a ton of money.  then they vote themselves a ton of money, fire half their workers and move their core business production overseas to take advantage of chinese slave labor and zero environmental protection laws.  sure, they end up with a crappy product and the chinese steal their proprietary manufacturing data but f*ck dude, they're making OODLES of cash!


And shareholders bring nothing to the table?
 
2013-07-30 07:29:28 PM
Headline made me think it would be a really low number. My guess was 5 cents, so 68 cents sounds really high.

Imagine any other store/business suddenly saying "we're going to raise our prices 17%". You would say "screw that!" and go someplace else. You can't simply jack up prices and hand over money to employees. Economics don't work that way.

Dumb article is dumb, the University of Kansas should be embarrassed by this student and he should fail.
 
2013-07-30 07:30:13 PM
the big mac is a rip-off anyway. too much bread.

double quarter pounders are where it's at... or, if you're a man, you can drive up the street to BK and get a triple whopper with cheese and bacon.

/i sound fat
//i'm thinner than you
/// 6'2", 155 lbs
 
2013-07-30 07:30:28 PM

freewill: CaliNJGuy: The world needs ditch diggers too.  Should McDonalds workers be paid more than the min. wage?  That's a debate worth having.  Should they be paid twice that?  No.  Want to make more than that and work at McDonalds?  Start at min. wage and work your way up through shift supervisor to mgmt.  Don't like it?  Too farking bad.  That's the way the world works.  And I don't want to try one of your stupid apple pies today either.

An alternate way of looking at this would be that they would have more bargaining power if they actually had skills that gave them other viable options. In other words, it's an education problem.

Until you do something about the teeming horde of replacements who also have no hope of earning more anywhere else, this will never work. They'll just slave-drive the poor bastards twice as hard and hire half as many, knowing they have nowhere else to go.


I do agree with you to an extent, however in my line of work I see a lot of different retail sectors at work.  A supermarket manager in a major chain makes pretty darn good money.  Vacation home in the Bahamas money?  No but I see a lot of them pulling up into work in BMW's, Acuras and the like and most of them didn't go to college.  They started as a bag boy/person and worked their way up.  I don't have a college degree but w/overtime I'm pulling $60K - $65K a year.  I work hard.  Entry level jobs are just that and they deserve entry level pay.  That doesn't always have to mean min. wage but to the person working a McDonalds counter complaining they can't feed their family of two kids on it I say "no shiat".  It's a competitive world in both the white and blue collar arena.  If you don't do something to stand out and get noticed in a positive manner you'll get passed by again and again.  And the bottom line is not everybody deserves to get promoted.
 
2013-07-30 07:30:41 PM

fusillade762: Debeo Summa Credo: You don't own McDonald's. It's none of your farking business what they decide to offer in wages or salary to ANY of their workers.

It is if they pay their workers so little that MY tax dollars end up having to provide food stamps and welfare for them.

Though you probably want to eliminate those, too.


You don't support the freedom to fail?
 
2013-07-30 07:30:45 PM
I don't eat fast food so I don't care what the employees earn.
 
2013-07-30 07:30:59 PM

Aarontology: You can have good wages, or you can have welfare.

those are your choices.


Or you can go to college and get a degree so you can get a better job and get good wages.

Most people don't make working in fast food a career move (unless it involves management).   If you do,  you might just be a liberal arts college student (or graduate) living in your mom's basement - and you deserve it.

If you chose to stay at a minimum wage job for 24 years (like the idiot on cnn today), then you deserve to live in your mom's basement.  In those 24 years, did you ever think of trying to better yourself?
 
2013-07-30 07:31:00 PM

Voiceofreason01: Pray 4 Mojo:
/If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.

because everybody can be a billionaire CEO of a Fortune 500 company if they just work hard enough!

/that anybody can become a huge success regardless of their circumstances is probably the biggest lie of the "American Dream"


Because those are the only two choices, right?

/ Self-taught programmer who still hasn't finished a college degree. $78k, a month's paid vacation, full benefits, and a couple free trips to Manhattan every year while living in a cheap Rust Belt town.
 
2013-07-30 07:31:05 PM
That's some retard logic in that article.
 
2013-07-30 07:31:11 PM
Pray 4 Mojo:
If my minimum wage employees are crappy employees BECAUSE I'm paying them minimum wage... then they are crappy employees. Show up early, be smart, work hard and learn... you will get more responsibility and income.

But that's not how it works in the majority of min wage work places.  Take walmart for example - you work your best...you get shiat on.  you show up and do the bare minimum...you get shiat on.  there's no incentive to work hard because you won't ever be rewarded for it.  in fact there's every reason to believe you'll actually be punished for it.
 
2013-07-30 07:31:15 PM
What's wrong with getting an education and then a higher paying, more fulfilling career?
 
2013-07-30 07:31:24 PM
Yes, jobs like working the fryer at McDonald's is supposed to be an entry-level position in the workforce. The holy Job Creators™ are supposed to be creating jobs to advance into, but we haven't seen much of that in the last 10 years, and all the while their share of income has skyrocketed.

Don't be surprised when people start looking into more coercive options when it comes to improving their lot when the monied classes aren't holding up their end of the social contract.
 
2013-07-30 07:31:32 PM
Hardly anyone works for McDonalds.  Those persons work for franchisees
 
2013-07-30 07:31:39 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: the big mac is a rip-off anyway. too much bread.

double quarter pounders are where it's at... or, if you're a man, you can drive up the street to BK and get a triple whopper with cheese and bacon.

/i sound fat
//i'm thinner than you
/// 6'2", 155 lbs


Look up skinnyfat.
 
2013-07-30 07:32:13 PM
And no link to the original research. Or did I miss it?
 
2013-07-30 07:32:29 PM
Getting paid anything for working at McDonalds is a blessing for people who cannot achieve anything more in life than working at McDonalds.

/That blessing, you uneducated, unskilled, ability lacking degenerates.
//Count it if you can.
 
2013-07-30 07:32:42 PM
If we accept that we will continue to need fast food workers and we will continue to have un-/under-educated folks who fill fast food positions, would you rather:

a) see their wages go up so they stop needing welfare;
b) continue to have your tax dollars go to the welfare assistance that makes up the difference in their wages, and subsidizes McDonald's payroll; or
c) keep their wages low and abolish welfare, so that they either end up in jail, die of starvation, and/or come murder you in the middle of the night?

I don't see an option d).
 
2013-07-30 07:32:51 PM

freewill: Voiceofreason01: Pray 4 Mojo:
/If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.

because everybody can be a billionaire CEO of a Fortune 500 company if they just work hard enough!

/that anybody can become a huge success regardless of their circumstances is probably the biggest lie of the "American Dream"

Because those are the only two choices, right?

/ Self-taught programmer who still hasn't finished a college degree. $78k, a month's paid vacation, full benefits, and a couple free trips to Manhattan every year while living in a cheap Rust Belt town.


*snarky remark about bootstraps and privilege*
 
2013-07-30 07:33:20 PM
I think that we should DROP the price of a Big Mac so it's cheaper like it should be.
And then let them drop the wages to reflect that drop.

Why is no one offering this? I want to pay LESS for craptacular poison food.
 
2013-07-30 07:33:21 PM
freewill:
An alternate way of looking at this would be that they would have more bargaining power if they actually had skills that gave them other viable options. In other words, it's an education problem.

Until you do something about the teeming horde of replacements who also have no hope of earning more anywhere else, this will never work. They'll just slave-drive the poor bastards twice as hard and hire half as many, knowing they have nowhere else to go.


except that isn't the way it works. At a lot of companies(unless you have a particular combination of rare and valuable skills or through nepotism) you get paid a "market average" that's basically a lowball number that includes what the "value firm" down the roads pays their peons workers and doesn't(or just barely) takes in to account any experience or other skills you bring to the job.

And I know everybody on FARK either owns their own successful company or is a technology genius but the vast majority of people in this country get paid that way. And with more States passing laws making it difficult for workers to organize there's really nothing to stop companies from paying (especially low level) employees anything they want.

The idea that the market magically pays workers what they are worth is a myth.
 
2013-07-30 07:33:47 PM

BgJonson79: Weaver95: BgJonson79: Weaver95: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: But what if the increased cost resulted in a decrease in demand and thus lower sales? They may be able to pay employees more, but they'd have to cut costs somewhere else.

well, given that your average CEO makes 400% more than they're worth....you could start there.

Who decides what a CEO is worth?

well, basically the CEO stacks the board of directors with his buddies, then tells them that he will give them raises if they make sure he gets a ton of money.  then they vote themselves a ton of money, fire half their workers and move their core business production overseas to take advantage of chinese slave labor and zero environmental protection laws.  sure, they end up with a crappy product and the chinese steal their proprietary manufacturing data but f*ck dude, they're making OODLES of cash!

And shareholders bring nothing to the table?


non-binding resolutions only.  no joke either - shareholders don't have any direct input on what a CEO gets paid, or what their compensation package looks like.  In many cases a CEO can stack a board of directors with his buddies or yes men and get away with quite a lot of economic perversions of math and money.  shareholders can try to force a CEO out but in a lot of cases most either don't care enough to try (because they're getting a decent return on their investment) or they really don't know what's going on with the company they're invested in at the time.
 
2013-07-30 07:33:47 PM

Cabbages: What's wrong with getting an education and then a higher paying, more fulfilling career?


Dude, wtf kind of question is this?

You are on Fark.

A 'career' here means you have an IT job where you handle the support desk for 50 pc's and 7 ipads.
 
2013-07-30 07:34:04 PM

MBrady: Aarontology: You can have good wages, or you can have welfare.

those are your choices.

Or you can go to college and get a degree so you can get a better job and get good wages.

Most people don't make working in fast food a career move (unless it involves management).   If you do,  you might just be a liberal arts college student (or graduate) living in your mom's basement - and you deserve it.

If you chose to stay at a minimum wage job for 24 years (like the idiot on cnn today), then you deserve to live in your mom's basement.  In those 24 years, did you ever think of trying to better yourself?


Except, one must get a degree in a major that sets them apart from everyone else.  Which means it's more than likely significantly more difficult to achieve.  My guess is that someone working fast food for twenty-four years simply doesn't have the ability to progress further.
 
2013-07-30 07:34:11 PM

taoistlumberjak: keylock71: Weaver95: Neighborhood Watch: Weaver95: you're another one who failed economics, aren't you?


MY business is doing just fine... so I guess I passed.

well of course it is, you special little snowflake you....

Funny how so many successful small businessmen with thriving businesses spend hours on Fark everyday spouting political bullshiat, isn't it?

Even funnier that they're all always right wing assholes.

I'm starting to think that Fark Independent Businessmen all trade in gold and/or hoverounds.


There's also a lucrative market in angel figurines and teddybears dressed as soldiers... Oh, and 9/11 commemorative coins (with a certificate of authenticity!)
 
2013-07-30 07:34:23 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 550 million Big Macs are sold in the US every year.

550,000,000 X .68 = 374,000,000.00

If McD thought they could just increase the price of their Big Mac and make an additional 374 million dollars don't you think they would have already done it?!?

This.

Pointless study is pointless.

/If you work at Mcdonalds in an attempt to support anyone other than yourself, at some point, you failed at life.


This as close to the actual words, "I got mine, fark you" I have ever seen.
 
2013-07-30 07:34:43 PM
Well every item would cost more. You don't just get one thing like a Big Mac. It adds up fast.
 
2013-07-30 07:34:43 PM

keylock71: Weaver95: Neighborhood Watch: Weaver95: you're another one who failed economics, aren't you?


MY business is doing just fine... so I guess I passed.

well of course it is, you special little snowflake you....

Funny how so many successful small businessmen with thriving businesses spend hours on Fark everyday spouting political bullshiat, isn't it?

Even funnier that they're all always right wing assholes.


Yeah, the only thing more prevalent than successful entreprenuers on Fark is people who are absolutely sure about how to run a business and that they would be successful, despite having no experience due to the man keeping them down.

Anyway, I just want to know how raising minimum wage to $15/hr doesn't result in commensurate increases in the cost of everything until $15/hr is no different than $7.25/hr in terms of purchasing power. Minimum wage earners suddenly have a lot more money, they are suddenly buying a lot more stuff, but the stuff...stays the same price? Increased demand leads to stagnant prices right?
 
2013-07-30 07:35:11 PM

BgJonson79: And the shareholders have no say at all?

 


Those are the shareholders.

 
2013-07-30 07:35:25 PM

Weaver95: BgJonson79: Weaver95: BgJonson79: Weaver95: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: But what if the increased cost resulted in a decrease in demand and thus lower sales? They may be able to pay employees more, but they'd have to cut costs somewhere else.

well, given that your average CEO makes 400% more than they're worth....you could start there.

Who decides what a CEO is worth?

well, basically the CEO stacks the board of directors with his buddies, then tells them that he will give them raises if they make sure he gets a ton of money.  then they vote themselves a ton of money, fire half their workers and move their core business production overseas to take advantage of chinese slave labor and zero environmental protection laws.  sure, they end up with a crappy product and the chinese steal their proprietary manufacturing data but f*ck dude, they're making OODLES of cash!

And shareholders bring nothing to the table?

non-binding resolutions only.  no joke either - shareholders don't have any direct input on what a CEO gets paid, or what their compensation package looks like.  In many cases a CEO can stack a board of directors with his buddies or yes men and get away with quite a lot of economic perversions of math and money.  shareholders can try to force a CEO out but in a lot of cases most either don't care enough to try (because they're getting a decent return on their investment) or they really don't know what's going on with the company they're invested in at the time.


I think you've nailed it right there when you talked about the good ROI.  Very few people or institutional investors aim for crappy ROIs.
 
2013-07-30 07:35:49 PM

BojanglesPaladin: I think that we should DROP the price of a Big Mac so it's cheaper like it should be.
And then let them drop the wages to reflect that drop.

Why is no one offering this? I want to pay LESS for craptacular poison food.


Rands Paladin arrives at last!

Fight the good fight! Show them takers!
 
2013-07-30 07:36:18 PM

generallyso: BgJonson79: And the shareholders have no say at all? 
Those are the shareholders.


So all those large public-sector investment programs mentioned on NPR's Market Place are what... figments of Kai's imagination?
 
2013-07-30 07:36:49 PM

Warthog: If we accept that we will continue to need fast food workers and we will continue to have un-/under-educated folks who fill fast food positions, would you rather:

a) see their wages go up so they stop needing welfare;
b) continue to have your tax dollars go to the welfare assistance that makes up the difference in their wages, and subsidizes McDonald's payroll; or
c) keep their wages low and abolish welfare, so that they either end up in jail, die of starvation, and/or come murder you in the middle of the night?

I don't see an option d).


I'll take c because I don't see them coming to murder me.
 
2013-07-30 07:36:56 PM

Weaver95: Pray 4 Mojo:
If my minimum wage employees are crappy employees BECAUSE I'm paying them minimum wage... then they are crappy employees. Show up early, be smart, work hard and learn... you will get more responsibility and income.

But that's not how it works in the majority of min wage work places.  Take walmart for example - you work your best...you get shiat on.  you show up and do the bare minimum...you get shiat on.  there's no incentive to work hard because you won't ever be rewarded for it.  in fact there's every reason to believe you'll actually be punished for it.


Then get some skills and work experience at Walmart... and take them somewhere else.
 
2013-07-30 07:37:11 PM
McDonalds pays what it pays because it can.

If only there were a way to get millions of people to work cheap and not complain.
Perhaps even come here to America to do it.

Nah, that's crazy talk.
 
2013-07-30 07:37:18 PM

Deep Contact: Debeo Summa Credo: Deep Contact: They should have 3 scales for min. wage based on age.
15 to 17 would be $3/hr
17 to 21 would be $7/hr
21+ would be $15/hr
Now go do the math.

The math is companies would hire as many teenagers as possible, and avoid hiring adults who have actual financial responsibilities.

Yeah, they'd hire some kids and some 21+'s for experience. So what.


The damned job was intended for teenagers.  To give them part time experience while in school  and money for movies/dating.  Let them have that entry level, no skills niche back, so they can find and learn how to work again .  Unless your management it should be off limits to anyone out of high school .  period.
 
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