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(NBC News)   France finally grows a backbone and doesn't surrend to: A) Germany, B) England, or C) Abercrombie & Fitch   (nbcnews.com) divider line 26
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2013-07-30 07:37:10 PM
I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".
 
2013-07-30 07:37:46 PM
In before shrieks of "Communism" because a sovereign nation chooses not to have the minds of its people poisoned by unfettered consumer conditioning.
 
2013-07-30 08:17:30 PM

bighairyguy: I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".


The French sit around, drink, smoke, sneer at everything that isn't them (and many things that are), and are basically lazy.

What I'm saying here is that France is basically Fark, the country.
 
2013-07-30 08:25:35 PM

t3knomanser: bighairyguy: I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".

The French sit around, drink, smoke, sneer at everything that isn't them (and many things that are), and are basically lazy.

What I'm saying here is that France is basically Fark, the country.


My parents visited France a couple of times and absolutely loved it. Of course they were nice people and not "ugly Americans" so that probably helped.
 
2013-07-30 08:29:21 PM
Yeah, their bond ratings were never very accurate.
 
2013-07-30 09:08:38 PM

bighairyguy: My parents visited France a couple of times and absolutely loved it. Of course they were nice people and not "ugly Americans" so that probably helped.


More than 20 years ago, an older woman struck up a conversation with me at a bus stop. She'd grown up in Paris, but married an American GI she met during WWII and came back to the US with him. It was 30 years before she returned to Paris. She said the thing that surprised her most was how rude the people were. After some thought, she realized they were no different than they had been -- it was just that Americans were so much friendlier that she'd forgotten.

I still wonder sometimes what she thinks of us (Americans) now.
 
2013-07-30 09:23:31 PM

bighairyguy: I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".


Really? I'm easily siding with the French on this one....( and I'm no Francophile )
 
2013-07-30 11:37:38 PM
I wonder what France will think of their stores' horrible perfume smell. I give it a month before the company stops using it because it's driving away customers, and another month before they realize they still don't have customers because their fashion sucks compared to others in Paris.
 
2013-07-31 12:35:26 AM
Paris, Texas?
 
2013-07-31 01:16:15 AM

bighairyguy: t3knomanser: bighairyguy: I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".

The French sit around, drink, smoke, sneer at everything that isn't them (and many things that are), and are basically lazy.

What I'm saying here is that France is basically Fark, the country.

My parents visited France a couple of times and absolutely loved it. Of course they were nice people and not "ugly Americans" so that probably helped.


France is the only nationalistic egocentric city I encountered in my (albeitlimited) adventures in the whole country.

Did not make it to Northern Western  France (Normandy); still have food and sights I want to try there.  I loved Chinon (NW, but a little bit more south).  I loved Sarlat, where duck confit comes from, and you can get duck for lunch and dinner EVERYWHERE (my cholesterol went up 150points after this trip!).  I loved Arles, where I got the best shaved head haircut of my life, and I loved Beyoun (sp.), where I ate my first and only 4 st, the roasted duck livers haunt me to this day).

Even Franks find Paris pretentious (although I am learning my way around); otherwise here's my recommendation (for a month):  Take at least  weeks to visit France.  Paris itself can take a week, and with artwork of a quality that you will have to visit again.  I grew up with the National History Museum in Washington, and I got lost in the Louvre.  Twice.  I am forever in love.

I stayed near the Luxemboug Gardens;  it was cheap, there was a grocery next door, food and metro within walking distance.

As for the rest of France, Chinon was great for food and biking wine country.  Sarlat was great for duck, and I went on an awesome self-kayak trip along the Dordogne (sp.).  Seeing the French and English castles that opposed each other during the time of Richard III:  priceless.

Don't believe any bullshiat you hear about the French--unless it's about specific Parisians being assholes.  Then, it's probably true, but forgettable overall.  The rest of France is laid back, and tourist-friendly.

/Speak guide-book French
//Farking loved it
 
2013-07-31 01:17:13 AM

born_yesterday: bighairyguy: t3knomanser: bighairyguy: I'm not sure who I'm supposed to root for in this "battle".

The French sit around, drink, smoke, sneer at everything that isn't them (and many things that are), and are basically lazy.

What I'm saying here is that France is basically Fark, the country.

My parents visited France a couple of times and absolutely loved it. Of course they were nice people and not "ugly Americans" so that probably helped.

France is the only nationalistic egocentric city I encountered in my (albeitlimited) adventures in the whole country.

Did not make it to Northern Western  France (Normandy); still have food and sights I want to try there.  I loved Chinon (NW, but a little bit more south).  I loved Sarlat, where duck confit comes from, and you can get duck for lunch and dinner EVERYWHERE (my cholesterol went up 150points after this trip!).  I loved Arles, where I got the best shaved head haircut of my life, and I loved Beyoun (sp.), where I ate my first and only 4 st, the roasted duck livers haunt me to this day).

Even Franks find Paris pretentious (although I am learning my way around); otherwise here's my recommendation (for a month):  Take at least  weeks to visit France.  Paris itself can take a week, and with artwork of a quality that you will have to visit again.  I grew up with the National History Museum in Washington, and I got lost in the Louvre.  Twice.  I am forever in love.

I stayed near the Luxemboug Gardens;  it was cheap, there was a grocery next door, food and metro within walking distance.

As for the rest of France, Chinon was great for food and biking wine country.  Sarlat was great for duck, and I went on an awesome self-kayak trip along the Dordogne (sp.).  Seeing the French and English castles that opposed each other during the time of Richard III:  priceless.

Don't believe any bullshiat you hear about the French--unless it's about specific Parisians being assholes.  Then, it's probably true, but forgettable overall.  ...


* Godddman it Paris, is the only...
 
2013-07-31 02:28:02 AM
How can the Parisian fashion houses get away with pencil thin attractive models then?
 
2013-07-31 02:28:17 AM
Because the population of French models righteously includes the required allotment of fatties and hags.
 
2013-07-31 04:07:12 AM

lohphat: How can the Parisian fashion houses get away with pencil thin attractive models then?


TomD9938: Because the population of French models righteously includes the required allotment of fatties and hags.


Did you two even RTFA ?

The whole point is that, while it's completely ok to select for beauty when hiring models, it's certainly not when hiring salestaff.
 
2013-07-31 04:11:36 AM

padraig: lohphat: How can the Parisian fashion houses get away with pencil thin attractive models then?

TomD9938: Because the population of French models righteously includes the required allotment of fatties and hags.

Did you two even RTFA ?

The whole point is that, while it's completely ok to select for beauty when hiring models, it's certainly not when hiring salestaff.


But they are models. They are required to wear company clothes ad show them off. The fact that also ring up sales is secondary.

I'm not defending Douchebag Clothiers for the closeted set but marketing is marketing.
 
2013-07-31 04:23:26 AM

lohphat: padraig: lohphat: How can the Parisian fashion houses get away with pencil thin attractive models then?

TomD9938: Because the population of French models righteously includes the required allotment of fatties and hags.

Did you two even RTFA ?

The whole point is that, while it's completely ok to select for beauty when hiring models, it's certainly not when hiring salestaff.

But they are models. They are required to wear company clothes ad show them off. The fact that also ring up sales is secondary.

I'm not defending Douchebag Clothiers for the closeted set but marketing is marketing.


So, if I want to discriminate by race, age, appearance, disability, etc... all I have to say is my employees are actually models, and I will be OK ?
 
2013-07-31 04:29:24 AM

padraig: lohphat: padraig: lohphat: How can the Parisian fashion houses get away with pencil thin attractive models then?

TomD9938: Because the population of French models righteously includes the required allotment of fatties and hags.

Did you two even RTFA ?

The whole point is that, while it's completely ok to select for beauty when hiring models, it's certainly not when hiring salestaff.

But they are models. They are required to wear company clothes ad show them off. The fact that also ring up sales is secondary.

I'm not defending Douchebag Clothiers for the closeted set but marketing is marketing.

So, if I want to discriminate by race, age, appearance, disability, etc... all I have to say is my employees are actually models, and I will be OK ?


If they are modeling clothes, then yes actually.

Disney does this all the time to skirt regulations by calling employees "cast members" and thus being able to prescribe dress and appearance standards because "they're playing a role." But they stop when said cast members claim in turn for stage union pay.

Protip: laws, regulations, and legislators are paid for by the deep pocket corporation usually, not those being "protected".
 
2013-07-31 04:31:28 AM

lohphat: Disney does this all the time to skirt regulations by calling employees "cast members" and thus being able to prescribe dress and appearance standards because "they're playing a role." But they stop when said cast members claim in turn for stage union pay.


Well, that crap may work in the USA, but not in France.

Playing this game of law sudoku in this country, while popular in the USA, is completely frowned upo.
 
2013-07-31 04:37:39 AM

padraig: lohphat: Disney does this all the time to skirt regulations by calling employees "cast members" and thus being able to prescribe dress and appearance standards because "they're playing a role." But they stop when said cast members claim in turn for stage union pay.

Well, that crap may work in the USA, but not in France.

Ahem.

 
2013-07-31 04:59:24 AM

lohphat: padraig: lohphat: Disney does this all the time to skirt regulations by calling employees "cast members" and thus being able to prescribe dress and appearance standards because "they're playing a role." But they stop when said cast members claim in turn for stage union pay.

Well, that crap may work in the USA, but not in France.

Ahem.


I'll need something a bit more recent than a 22-year-old article.
 
2013-07-31 05:00:45 AM
And this article talks about a dress code, not about appearance, or the use of technicalities to circumvent labor laws.
 
2013-07-31 08:46:43 AM

and doesn't surrend to:


o_O
 
2013-07-31 09:08:49 AM
Does anyone besides me call it Abalone & Fitch?

/who cares about a bathtub
 
2013-07-31 09:51:12 AM
Because getting girls (14-24) to pay more is easier when they have sticky panties.

Seriously.

I'd turn around and walk right the hell out of any Store for men that had bikini (or topless) sales persons or greeters.

/Don't shop aroused
 
2013-07-31 11:04:18 AM

padraig: lohphat: padraig: lohphat: Disney does this all the time to skirt regulations by calling employees "cast members" and thus being able to prescribe dress and appearance standards because "they're playing a role." But they stop when said cast members claim in turn for stage union pay.

Well, that crap may work in the USA, but not in France.

Ahem.

I'll need something a bit more recent than a 22-year-old article.


It's still in force they get away with it.

Do your own homework. I'm done with you.

Buh-bye.
 
2013-07-31 05:39:00 PM
Read that as 'Fiance'. It still would have fit.
 
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