hardinparamedic: Yeah. No.I think I'd rather take an experienced EMT, Paramedic, Nurse, or Phelbo/Lab Tech over a machine any day.
Mikey1969: . The robot will probably get it right the first time, whereas I've known people to get 4 or 5 jabs before a vein shows up. Hell, personally, I had someone keep my arm cranked in the blood pressure cuff so long my hand started turning purple, and that was just a blood pressure cuff.
hardinparamedic: It's funny how with ultrasound guidance, I only need one stick. Or your jugular veins.
Mikey1969: That's cute... I have easy veins, nobody has ever had trouble finding a vein on me, but I'm not the norm.
Duck_of_Doom: I'm curious to know what the protocol is for a blown vein, a vein that rolls, if the patient is in extreme pain, or if they can't find a vein in a normal area (arm, forearm, hand, wrist). Do they dump the robot and go for human intervention?
Duck_of_Doom: You are very, very lucky.
maxheck: I can see it working fine on the horizontal axes, but I'm wondering how they get depth information from a vertically-mounted camera. Rather important for people (as above) with deep veins.Between being a regular blood donor and volunteering for a lot of medical studies I have been stuck more than most, and if they can get a 90% rate, that'd probably better than my experience. I'd try it.
NkThrasher: TFA: On the other hand, human phlebotamists probably won't jab the everloving sh-t out of your elbow if they malfunction (we would hopeThere's a laugh, that's exactly what a malfunctioning human behind a needle does.<csb>While I was in the Army I took a 'Combat Lifesaver Course', basically a step up from basic Army first aid training which included IV sticking. We practiced on dummies, then on each other. I have good easy to find veins so I was handed off to the less steady handed folk in the class to use.One Soldier took four attempts on one arm to get a successful stick (moving up the vein with each poke). When he did finally get it in successfully he forgot to push down on it, so we had a great display of what bleeding directly from a vein out an IV looks like as my blood shot out over the table.I was very, very sore and bruised after that week.</csb><csb-2>A rather cross eyed man working at a blood donation center once failed to find a vein in my arm somehow and tried the 'root around until you get it' technique. Hurt like a mother farker. He wanted to go to the back of my hand next. Someone else took over and stuck my other arm first time no problem.</csb-2>
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