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2013-07-30 10:05:49 PM
Minecraft over Netscape? The program that single-handedly made Microsoft a "monopoly" due to them including I.E. with windows to compete?
 
2013-07-30 10:23:47 PM
lukket.dk

/Oblig
 
2013-07-30 10:44:05 PM

neilbradley: The correct answer is 386BSD. Lots of what Linux does was taken from 386BSD and FreeBSD. See CFS as exhibit A.


*disbelieving eyeblink*

If FreeBSD (or Unix) was running on 96% of all the fastest computers in the world (cray, Ibm, china etc), the computers on the International Space Station, adopted by most major governments in the world, running the LHC at CERN  looking for the Higgs boson, controlling the world's stock exchanges (New York stock the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and London Stock Exchange), and 64% of all cell phones in the world, then I might agree with you.  But it isn't.  Linux is.

I sincerely don't see how there's any room for plausible argument here.  Neither FreeBSD nor Unix is carried around in their pocket by 4 billion people across the globe daily.  Which is several times more than the total number of desktop PC's in the world running anything.  (And a market share Microsoft would literally subvert major governments for.)  Linux kernel is.

In the words of Bill Gates, when he still worked for Microsoft - "Our most potent Operating System competitor is Linux and the phenomena around Open Source and free software. The same phenomena fuels competitors to all of our products. The ease of picking up Linux to learn it or to modify some piece of it is very attractive. The academic community, start up companies, foreign governments and many other constituencies are putting their best work into Linux"

Note that he didn't seem too worried about FreeBSD or Unix.
 
2013-07-30 11:09:06 PM
dBASE - the first popular database program.

Acrobat - print static reports into files...download, upload and viewable on a browser.  (and search-able too)
 
2013-07-30 11:09:33 PM
Minecraft? Farking Minecraft?

DIAF Slate. You are terrible.
 
2013-07-30 11:13:04 PM

pute kisses like a man: mcreadyblue: pute kisses like a man: and American's reliance on SABRE is the reason for the scheduling debacle after being acquired by United.

geez, SABRE was around forever.

SABRE is still being used by AA ( although they are in the process of moving to NextGenSABRE).

AA and USAir are in the process of merging.

United bought Continental, not AA. United used the Apollo (now called TravelPort) res system but moved to Continental's SHARES res system.

whoops, well excuse me for speaking out of my ass and not knowing what i'm talking about.  merger/acquisition... usair/united.  words... just words.


QANTAS also runs a cloned version of SABRE, although they too are switching to another Rez system (Amadeus I think).

Southwest Airlines uses the old Braniff COWBOY Rez system (now called SAAS) that is almost as old as SABRE and not nearly as functional(can't handle international flights).

Ironically, both SAAS and SABRE are hosted in the same data center in Tulsa.
 
2013-07-30 11:16:28 PM

SunsetLament: Photoshop, Mosiac and Lotus Notes are no-brainers.  VisiCalc is a solid choice.  The rest of the list leaves something to be desired.

No Napster?  It catapulted file sharing on the internet.

No Doom?  There's a billion dollar industry built around first-person video games.

Someone mentioned PrintShopDeluxe - very influential.


Napster created the entire MP3 market. Who knew people would want to listen to inferior quality music? The music industry was incredibly stupid for not monetizing this and allowing Apple to dominate.
 
2013-07-30 11:22:35 PM
Hangman

/GOTO GET OFF MY LAWN
 
2013-07-30 11:25:31 PM

HempHead: pute kisses like a man: mcreadyblue: pute kisses like a man: and American's reliance on SABRE is the reason for the scheduling debacle after being acquired by United.

geez, SABRE was around forever.

SABRE is still being used by AA ( although they are in the process of moving to NextGenSABRE).

AA and USAir are in the process of merging.

United bought Continental, not AA. United used the Apollo (now called TravelPort) res system but moved to Continental's SHARES res system.

whoops, well excuse me for speaking out of my ass and not knowing what i'm talking about.  merger/acquisition... usair/united.  words... just words.

QANTAS also runs a cloned version of SABRE, although they too are switching to another Rez system (Amadeus I think).

Southwest Airlines uses the old Braniff COWBOY Rez system (now called SAAS) that is almost as old as SABRE and not nearly as functional(can't handle international flights).

Ironically, both SAAS and SABRE are hosted in the same data center in Tulsa.


My mom was a travel agent in the 70s-90s -- now that the internet killed that employment base the number of users affected by large system migrations is reduced to mostly just airline employees.
 
2013-07-30 11:25:34 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: neilbradley: The correct answer is 386BSD. Lots of what Linux does was taken from 386BSD and FreeBSD. See CFS as exhibit A.

*disbelieving eyeblink*

If FreeBSD (or Unix) was running on 96% of all the fastest computers in the world (cray, Ibm, china etc), the computers on the International Space Station, adopted by most major governments in the world, running the LHC at CERN  looking for the Higgs boson, controlling the world's stock exchanges (New York stock the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and London Stock Exchange), and 64% of all cell phones in the world, then I might agree with you.  But it isn't.  Linux is.

I sincerely don't see how there's any room for plausible argument here.  Neither FreeBSD nor Unix is carried around in their pocket by 4 billion people across the globe daily.  Which is several times more than the total number of desktop PC's in the world running anything.  (And a market share Microsoft would literally subvert major governments for.)  Linux kernel is.

In the words of Bill Gates, when he still worked for Microsoft - "Our most potent Operating System competitor is Linux and the phenomena around Open Source and free software. The same phenomena fuels competitors to all of our products. The ease of picking up Linux to learn it or to modify some piece of it is very attractive. The academic community, start up companies, foreign governments and many other constituencies are putting their best work into Linux"

Note that he didn't seem too worried about FreeBSD or Unix.


FreeBSD is the only OS I have ever PAID for(bought the CD's)... TWICE
 
2013-07-30 11:27:58 PM
Also, why government regulation is needed:

AA and UA gaming their res systems to shut out competetors
 
2013-07-30 11:39:06 PM
Second on Rouge49's dBASE.

If I'd made that list, it would have included Elite (the space trading game - ported to just about every platform in the early 80s), Diversi-Dial (the first multi-user chat system accessible to regular people), and maybe Sabotage (turret/parachuter game).
 
kth
2013-07-30 11:40:09 PM

rogue49: dBASE - the first popular database program.

Acrobat - print static reports into files...download, upload and viewable on a browser.  (and search-able too)


Other kids of my acquaintance mowed lawns to make money as young teens. I helped my mother with her database work (using dBASE) for her swimming lesson program.
 
2013-07-30 11:40:26 PM
... oh, and Lemonade Stand, Artillery, Road Trip, Oregon Trail, or any other game from the CUE Disks of old.

/my monochrome-green colored lawn, get off it.
 
2013-07-30 11:41:24 PM
Other lists Minecraft doesn't belong on:

Top 10 most influential games of 2009
Top 10 best games with the word "craft" in the title
Top 10 best sandbox games
Top 10 programs made by one guy
Top 5 programs made in Java that aren't broken as fark
 
2013-07-30 11:46:23 PM

shift_DAWG: Second on Rouge49's dBASE.

If I'd made that list, it would have included Elite (the space trading game - ported to just about every platform in the early 80s), Diversi-Dial (the first multi-user chat system accessible to regular people), and maybe Sabotage (turret/parachuter game).


That *plop* sound when you knock out a guy's parachute and land him on top of another already-landed paratrooper was great.
 
2013-07-30 11:51:34 PM

I Like Bread: Other lists Minecraft doesn't belong on:

Top 10 most influential games of 2009
Top 10 best games with the word "craft" in the title
Top 10 best sandbox games
Top 10 programs made by one guy
Top 5 programs made in Java that aren't broken as fark


About 10,000,000 kids aged 10-16 can't hear you over the sound of how much fun they are having.
 
2013-07-31 12:04:08 AM
They talk about HyperCard being influential, but don't even mention that it's the origin of certain web browser concepts we all know like the front, back, and home buttons, and the picture of a hand as the cursor. Also, the Myst games were made using HyperCard and QuickTime.
 
2013-07-31 12:10:19 AM

Bacontastesgood: I Like Bread: Other lists Minecraft doesn't belong on:

Top 10 most influential games of 2009
Top 10 best games with the word "craft" in the title
Top 10 best sandbox games
Top 10 programs made by one guy
Top 5 programs made in Java that aren't broken as fark

About 10,000,000 kids aged 10-16 can't hear you over the sound of how much fun they are having.


Only ten million? I thought of another list Minecraft won't be on.
 
2013-07-31 12:17:03 AM

lohphat: HempHead: pute kisses like a man: mcreadyblue: pute kisses like a man: and American's reliance on SABRE is the reason for the scheduling debacle after being acquired by United.

geez, SABRE was around forever.


SABRE is still being used by AA ( although they are in the process of moving to NextGenSABRE).


AA and USAir are in the process of merging.


United bought Continental, not AA. United used the Apollo (now called TravelPort) res system but moved to Continental's SHARES res system.


whoops, well excuse me for speaking out of my ass and not knowing what i'm talking about.  merger/acquisition... usair/united.  words... just words.


QANTAS also runs a cloned version of SABRE, although they too are switching to another Rez system (Amadeus I think).


Southwest Airlines uses the old Braniff COWBOY Rez system (now called SAAS) that is almost as old as SABRE and not nearly as functional(can't handle international flights).


Ironically, both SAAS and SABRE are hosted in the same data center in Tulsa.


My mom was a travel agent in the 70s-90s -- now that the internet killed that employment base the number of users affected by large system migrations is reduced to mostly just airline employees.


The flying public was greatly affected by the migration issues with United. I seem to remember UA having to ground all of thier planes a few times.

USAir will convert (back) to SABRE and then to NextGenSABRE. I can see a few hiccups in the future.
 
2013-07-31 02:02:55 AM
No mention of this...
www.clockworkhare.com
 
2013-07-31 02:17:30 AM
GEOS was around and introduced a ton of people to the idea of a Graphic UI almost a decade Windows 95 and first came out at almost the same time as the 1st Mac OS at a 10th of the price point of a Mac on the C64 (later bundled with the C64c). I would put it up there as far as OS's go. It was very tight in its programming by default due to it being limited to 8 bit hardware with 64k (yes, 64k) of memory to work with (the next best thing was the IBM PC with 640k of memory and it didn't have anything more than MSDOS 4.x and maybe X-Tree Gold to use as an OS and front end).

It was the third most used WYSIWYG GUI interface of its time with integrated software that rivaled most of the office and productivity software available at the time from spreadsheets and word processing to desktop publishing and a VB type programming suite at a much lower price point. It was Microsofts biggest threat and they shut it down by threatening to not sell MS licenses to any manufacturer that offered PC GEOS as an alternative to their products.

Now we have software that is bloated that doesn't really need to be except that it's become accepted practice to write sloppy code quickly to take advantage of cheap memory and hardware using Microsoft API's. Microsoft has no interest in making it tight in order to sell more computers using their software with ever expanding hardware requirements/ It's a vicious cycle that something like GEOS could have stopped over 20 years ago.
 
2013-07-31 04:12:44 AM

timujin: In 1980, when I was 6 years old, my father brought home an Atari 400/800.  He sat me down in front of it and put a book on the desk, An Introduction to the Basic Programming Language.  "Learn this," he said, "and you'll never have to dig a ditch in your life."

//worked out okay
/still ended up digging a ditch or two


You old man was a god.
 
2013-07-31 04:38:41 AM

Radioactive Ass: It's a vicious cycle that something like GEOS could have stopped over 20 years ago.


You're kidding yourself.
 
2013-07-31 04:43:36 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: neilbradley: The correct answer is 386BSD. Lots of what Linux does was taken from 386BSD and FreeBSD. See CFS as exhibit A.

*disbelieving eyeblink*

If FreeBSD (or Unix) was running on 96% of all the fastest computers in the world (cray, Ibm, china etc), the computers on the International Space Station, adopted by most major governments in the world, running the LHC at CERN  looking for the Higgs boson, controlling the world's stock exchanges (New York stock the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and London Stock Exchange), and 64% of all cell phones in the world, then I might agree with you.  But it isn't.  Linux is.
<snip>
Note that he didn't seem too worried about FreeBSD or Unix.


The article title said "Influential", not "most popular". Linux took a lot from 386BSD and FreeBSD. Hell, as mentioned earlier UNIX is more influential than just about everything. I'll also remind you that FreeBSD is at the heart of OSX that runs on, oh, just a few computers. And I'd bet even more desktop machines than Linux does. Might not be the most popular or gets the most press, but Linux wouldn't be what it is today without FreeBSD.
 
2013-07-31 07:13:44 AM
Why the hate for Minecraft? Oh I forgot it's cool and trendy to hate popular stuff, never mind.
 
2013-07-31 07:56:35 AM

HempHead: SunsetLament: Photoshop, Mosiac and Lotus Notes are no-brainers.  VisiCalc is a solid choice.  The rest of the list leaves something to be desired.

No Napster?  It catapulted file sharing on the internet.

No Doom?  There's a billion dollar industry built around first-person video games.

Someone mentioned PrintShopDeluxe - very influential.

Napster created the entire MP3 market. Who knew people would want to listen to inferior quality music? The music industry was incredibly stupid for not monetizing this and allowing Apple to dominate.


Well it's not that they wanted to listen to inferior quality. Its just that downloads were so slow on dial up that it still took 20 min to get a 3mb mp3.
 
2013-07-31 08:26:43 AM

pute kisses like a man: geez, SABRE was around forever.


There's a whole industry around propping up SABRE, bringing its data to the web or mobile devices. What should be a two-year project for a ten-person team is a multi-billion-dollar market employing tens of thousands.

Thanks, SABRE!
 
2013-07-31 08:30:48 AM

neilbradley: FreeBSD


Visual Basic
 
2013-07-31 08:34:39 AM
A BASIC reference in the year 2013?

If you get it, you are old.

/I am old.
 
2013-07-31 08:37:18 AM

WippitGuud: I agree with the title, BASIC should be on the list. It was the first programming language that was home based,

Someone mentioned Winamp for the digital media. I would like to add on Napster as the first real peer-to-peer file-sharing program.


Just read the article. BASIC is not a program, it is a programming language. The list is about programs, why should BASIC be there? If that's what Subby means, he got it wrong.
 
2013-07-31 09:08:09 AM

mayIFark: WippitGuud: I agree with the title, BASIC should be on the list. It was the first programming language that was home based,

Someone mentioned Winamp for the digital media. I would like to add on Napster as the first real peer-to-peer file-sharing program.

Just read the article. BASIC is not a program, it is a programming language. The list is about programs, why should BASIC be there? If that's what Subby means, he got it wrong.


I have to disagree.

A programming language is just a program that allows you to write other programs, and then compile it into binary that the computer will understand. BASIC was the first programming language marketed to personal computers.
 
2013-07-31 09:22:55 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: R.A.Danny: Lotus Notes is friggin awesome.

Done here. So secure, even the Head Idiot who Sleeps in the Whitehouse has a blackberry on it. You can have LookOut for your personal client, I care not.  We'll front your email to whatever email client you want.  For security, stability and scalability, IBM has it, and always has had it. An un-crackable schema.  Period. MS is a mishmash mess of noise and crap that gives you cancer if you're a Sys admin who has to juggle certs and cross .NET crap. Learn, the Notes/Domino schema has been the singular most successful/secure backbone in the last 30 years. If it's good enough for the US Navy, it's good enough for me.

/Domino sysadmin 22 years.
//slashies


So, you never have to apply security patches?

You might want to start catching up:http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-11.html


If you constantly find vulnerabilities after deployment - as EVERY publisher does - then "most secure" is still not "uncrackable."
 
2013-07-31 10:23:16 AM

Freschel: Why the hate for Minecraft? Oh I forgot it's cool and trendy to hate popular stuff, never mind.


Not only is it too soon to determine whether Minecraft has the longevity to merit being on a List called "The 10 Most Influential Software Programs of All Time", there's already evidence it's not going to have anywhere near the level of merit.

See my previous post.  If you're listed as number 1 for ALL TIME just because you're "The Flavor of the Week" and it's painfully obvious, you deserve all the hate you get.
 
2013-07-31 02:46:30 PM

elchupacabra: Freschel: Why the hate for Minecraft? Oh I forgot it's cool and trendy to hate popular stuff, never mind.

Not only is it too soon to determine whether Minecraft has the longevity to merit being on a List called "The 10 Most Influential Software Programs of All Time", there's already evidence it's not going to have anywhere near the level of merit.

See my previous post.  If you're listed as number 1 for ALL TIME just because you're "The Flavor of the Week" and it's painfully obvious, you deserve all the hate you get.


I hate to burst your bubble but it's not listed as number one. The list is in chronological order also it's listed as number ten.
 
2013-07-31 04:21:09 PM

Freschel: elchupacabra: Freschel: Why the hate for Minecraft? Oh I forgot it's cool and trendy to hate popular stuff, never mind.

Not only is it too soon to determine whether Minecraft has the longevity to merit being on a List called "The 10 Most Influential Software Programs of All Time", there's already evidence it's not going to have anywhere near the level of merit.

See my previous post.  If you're listed as number 1 for ALL TIME just because you're "The Flavor of the Week" and it's painfully obvious, you deserve all the hate you get.

I hate to burst your bubble but it's not listed as number one. The list is in chronological order also it's listed as number ten.


BTW hate the person that added Minecraft into the list not the game itself.

One more thing Minecraft should be in the top ten best sandbox game. I agree that Minecraft should not be in the top ten influencal programs. It's too early to know. It's becoming to be. With people making mods for it like Tekkit, Hexxit, Yogscast, Twilight, Feed The Beast and so on. 'Nuff said.
 
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