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2013-07-30 04:51:50 PM

MBP2112: Eddie Adams from Torrance:
QEMM/DesqView

No lie, I just finished a conversion for a client that was running Q&A (database/WP package) with DESQview and QEMM under MS-DOS 6.22 up until 2 months ago.  Q&A was networked across multiple workstations to a server running Novell Netware 3.11.  He's now running a package called Sesame (descended from Q&A), with Win7 workstations and server.

I built a good deal of that Q&A system's programming over the years, and as much as it took a lot of creativity to do stuff that modern software allows you to do without thinking, we never found something we couldn't do.  Dead-tree document scanning and retrieval, using softfonts to get custom imaging on printed documentation, dispatching service techs with messaging, driving telemarketing systems...

This is not a repeat from 1986.


I remember editing pages of keystroke macros for Q&A.  (no whitespace, just 80 columns of letters and numbers, line after line).  Was always hilarious to have an error condition come up and have Q&A fire the rest of the pages of keystrokes at the screen until 'something' happened.  Always had to backup 3 or 4 times a day.  20 users and a Novell 3.11 server with 4 meg of ram on 10 base 2.
 
2013-07-30 04:51:53 PM

mcreadyblue: pute kisses like a man: and American's reliance on SABRE is the reason for the scheduling debacle after being acquired by United.

geez, SABRE was around forever.

SABRE is still being used by AA ( although they are in the process of moving to NextGenSABRE).

AA and USAir are in the process of merging.

United bought Continental, not AA. United used the Apollo (now called TravelPort) res system but moved to Continental's SHARES res system.


whoops, well excuse me for speaking out of my ass and not knowing what i'm talking about.  merger/acquisition... usair/united.  words... just words.
 
2013-07-30 05:04:12 PM
Want some rye?
 
2013-07-30 05:06:44 PM
Open Source Software is strangley absent from the list.

but don't worry, that list will look very different in 10 years or so.....
 
2013-07-30 05:07:44 PM

Trocadero: [images.videolan.org image 300x300]
/influences my pants more than any other software program



and that is just the beginning.  the list of Open Source Software is mind boggling.
 
2013-07-30 05:08:54 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel



THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.
 
2013-07-30 05:10:37 PM

Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.


Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.
 
2013-07-30 05:10:39 PM
 
2013-07-30 05:12:07 PM
vi

/*runs*
 
2013-07-30 05:12:43 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.


sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.
 
2013-07-30 05:23:06 PM
This list became useless with Minecraft.

Reminds me of MTV's "Top 100 Music Videos of All Time" circa 1988 or 1989.  Most made sense, but number 1 was the latest Bon Jovi number 1 -- which was, like most Bon Jovi videos, just their concert performance montages.

Completely shot down the entire concept for me by being so flagrantly obvious.
 
2013-07-30 05:29:02 PM

Linux_Yes: sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.


Tell that to where I work... we're in the process of migrating from AIX 5.3 to 7.1 on 20 systems.

Now we also do have over 100 RHEL systems, but that's just ancillary systems.
 
2013-07-30 05:29:12 PM

Linux_Yes: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.

sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.



And Linux was the first to essentially be easy enough to use for an only *somewhat* savvy person.
 
2013-07-30 05:30:58 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: VM/370
SideKick
QEMM/DesqView
Carbon Copy
Norton Utilities
Kermit


ZMODEM (via DSZ)

/ran a GAP BBS in the 80s/90s
 
2013-07-30 05:35:57 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?


Linux was independently written starting from scratch.  It used Unix-like commands and syntax, but was not a modification or offshoot of Unix code.


Mr. Eugenides: Unix sure, Linux no way.


Yes, Linux was written to be Unix-like, and Unix came before.  But Linux has since run on many more machines all over the world.  Unix was the arcane realm of scientists who had access to university or corporate mainframes.  Linux brought it home to a billion people running pet projects at home, and let them roll thier own OS.  Not to mention that Linux is still growing and becoming ever more pervasive, running on things you probably don't even realize - like your current cell phone.   I'm not saying Unix wasn't/isn't important. It was. But Linux has been far FAR more influential.
 
2013-07-30 05:37:54 PM

downstairs: Linux_Yes: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.

sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.


And Linux was the first to essentially be easy enough to use for an only *somewhat* savvy person.


My freshman year in college the most convenient computer lab to me was about half X-Windows dumb terminals running off of a Solaris machine somewhere, 25% Windows PCs and 25% Macs.  Over the next several years more Macs and Windows machines replaced most of the X-Windows terminals.

Given that most everyone had a Mac or PC in their dorm room it made sense - they could work with their own files much easier on a machine running the same OS and software, but for just stopping in to check e-mail (pre-smartphone days) I loved the X-terminals because there was never a line for any of them unlike the Macs and Windows boxes.

The Computer Science department used the Solaris systems as the primary platform for the early level classes, but there was a dedicated lab in the building and you could just telnet in from your dorm to work from there.
 
2013-07-30 05:38:44 PM
Minecraft isn't even one of the 10 most influential games of all time.
 
2013-07-30 05:38:57 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: This. Before Pagemaker typsetting and layout was a messy, expensive process. The idea of click and drag WYSIWYG typesetting revolutionized publishing. Not perhaps as much as the printing press itself, but it made desktop publishing practical.

I remember when it was Aldus PageMaker.

Now I feel old.


I'm glad Pagemaker is a distant, distant memory....not being able to rotate elements, the random crashes, the line tool that had 2 or 3 points worth of wiggle at any given time, etc. The text edit mode was pretty sweet for formatting entire books in about 2 hours, though.

Although, I'm also glad that Quark is a distant, distant memory at this point.
 
2013-07-30 05:41:05 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?


^ THIS ^ Many people's work would be soul destroying without it.
 
2013-07-30 05:41:20 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Linux was independently written starting from scratch.  It used Unix-like commands and syntax, but was not a modification or offshoot of Unix code.


Mr. Eugenides: Unix sure, Linux no way.

Yes, Linux was written to be Unix-like, and Unix came before.  But Linux has since run on many more machines all over the world.  Unix was the arcane realm of scientists who had access to university or corporate mainframes.  Linux brought it home to a billion people running pet projects at home, and let them roll thier own OS.  Not to mention that Linux is still growing and becoming ever more pervasive, running on things you probably don't even realize - like your current cell phone.   I'm not saying Unix wasn't/isn't important. It was. But Linux has been far FAR more influential.


By the logic of the Linux-heads Excel and Word should be on the list instead of VisiCalc and WordStar.
 
2013-07-30 05:42:05 PM

TuteTibiImperes: downstairs: Linux_Yes: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.

sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.


And Linux was the first to essentially be easy enough to use for an only *somewhat* savvy person.

My freshman year in college the most convenient computer lab to me was about half X-Windows dumb terminals running off of a Solaris machine somewhere, 25% Windows PCs and 25% Macs.  Over the next several years more Macs and Windows machines replaced most of the X-Windows terminals.

Given that most everyone had a Mac or PC in their dorm room it made sense - they could work with their own files much easier on a machine running the same OS and software, but for just stopping in to check e-mail (pre-smartphone days) I loved the X-terminals because there was never a line for any of them unlike the Macs and Windows boxes.

The Computer Science department used the Solaris systems as the primary platform for the early level classes, but there was a dedicated lab in the building and you could just telnet in from your dorm to work from there.


You sound old.
 
2013-07-30 05:43:24 PM

wiredroach: DrunkWithImpotence: This. Before Pagemaker typsetting and layout was a messy, expensive process. The idea of click and drag WYSIWYG typesetting revolutionized publishing. Not perhaps as much as the printing press itself, but it made desktop publishing practical.

I remember when it was Aldus PageMaker.

Now I feel old.

I'm glad Pagemaker is a distant, distant memory....not being able to rotate elements, the random crashes, the line tool that had 2 or 3 points worth of wiggle at any given time, etc. The text edit mode was pretty sweet for formatting entire books in about 2 hours, though.

Although, I'm also glad that Quark is a distant, distant memory at this point.


I liked Pagemaker.  I don't remember it being any more crash-prone than other large applications of the day, and for some reason I seem to remember being able to rotate elements, though maybe that wasn't available on earlier versions.

What's the industry standard now?  I haven't messed with it since school-newspaper days (where we'd save the file to a zip disk and physically drive it to the printer to give you an idea of the time frame).
 
2013-07-30 05:49:44 PM

wiredroach: Although, I'm also glad that Quark is a distant, distant memory at this point.


Fark no. The Quark interface and workflow was so much better for productivity and PROPER POSTSCRIPT until InDesign hit probably CS3 or CS4. I mean, it's a product put out by the company who invented PostScript and yet I get RIP errors? Bullshiat.

Granted, Quark was a shiatty company to work with when they were on top, but InDesign blew goats until Quark managed to shoot themselves in the foot, shin, knee and femoral artery. The only reason Adobe won that particular battle is because Quark let them.
 
2013-07-30 06:02:46 PM
img823.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-30 06:19:23 PM

Linux_Yes: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.

sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.


That's because it's a free copy. Torvalds didn't think the thing up from scratch.

Which brings me to my next point: replace Minecraft with InfiniMiner.
 
2013-07-30 06:24:14 PM

metallion: I did an awful lot of editing in Wordstar.  I'm surprised Qmodem/Telix/Telemate weren't on the list.  Those programs opened up a whole new world of communication.  They could have even added something like Wildcat BBS..

//Fark, I'm old...


Come on, WWIV FTW.

\Get off my 31MB hard disk.
 
2013-07-30 06:30:50 PM
I really miss HyperCard.  I have very fond memories of working with it as a young kid exploring the world of computers.
 
2013-07-30 06:34:39 PM
I kind of miss HyperCard. Even though Flash is a zillion times as powerful, it's just not as streamlined of an application. (Also, HyperTalk > ActionScript. Sorry, you know it's true.)
 
2013-07-30 06:41:49 PM
No love for Scripsit or ElectricPencil?
 
2013-07-30 06:52:23 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Unix was the arcane realm of scientists who had access to university or corporate mainframes the budget needed to pay everything


It used to be very expensive to run UNIX in the old days.  The license to get a copy of the OS wasn't cheap, and you needed hardware that didn't become common on the desktop till the early 1990s.

BSD was free, but for a number of years was nothing more than a set of patches against the original UNIX code.  When BSD attempted to become a self-standing OS, AT&T sued them (USL v. BSDi, 1993).  Linus said he never would have created the Linux kernel if the lawsuit had never happened.

Coherent was a commercial UNIX-like OS for desktop machines, but just couldn't compete with DOS on price in the PC market.  Commodore was going to use it for its new line of 16-bit Z8000 computers, but that was ditched when they bought Amiga.

MINIX had a relatively low fee, but you can't compete with free.  That's how Linux, which was loosely derived from MINIX, went on to conquer the market.
 
2013-07-30 06:53:26 PM

theorellior: wiredroach: Although, I'm also glad that Quark is a distant, distant memory at this point.

Fark no. The Quark interface and workflow was so much better for productivity and PROPER POSTSCRIPT until InDesign hit probably CS3 or CS4. I mean, it's a product put out by the company who invented PostScript and yet I get RIP errors? Bullshiat.

Granted, Quark was a shiatty company to work with when they were on top, but InDesign blew goats until Quark managed to shoot themselves in the foot, shin, knee and femoral artery. The only reason Adobe won that particular battle is because Quark let them.


Pretty much this. Xpress was the industry standard, and Quark just sat back and let InDesign blow right by and send them into near-oblivion. The only place I see it anymore is at print shops too cheap to upgrade.
 
kth
2013-07-30 07:16:56 PM

theorellior: wiredroach: Although, I'm also glad that Quark is a distant, distant memory at this point.

Fark no. The Quark interface and workflow was so much better for productivity and PROPER POSTSCRIPT until InDesign hit probably CS3 or CS4. I mean, it's a product put out by the company who invented PostScript and yet I get RIP errors? Bullshiat.

Granted, Quark was a shiatty company to work with when they were on top, but InDesign blew goats until Quark managed to shoot themselves in the foot, shin, knee and femoral artery. The only reason Adobe won that particular battle is because Quark let them.


I write training in Quark. It is easily the most annoying thing about my job. And my job has many annoying aspects.

They keep saying that we're moving to InDesign, but then decide that we don't have time to train. I guarantee the amount of time we need to train our writers in InDesign is less than the amount of time that I have to spend being the "Quark Whisperer" on our team, even if you don't count the time that the rest of the writers spend aching to throw their computer out the window before asking me to help.

/off to teach a virtual class that couldn't possibly be scheduled during the work day, it HAD to be in the evening, much to the inconvenience of both instructors and students.
//quark sucks.
 
2013-07-30 07:40:10 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Linux was independently written starting from scratch.  It used Unix-like commands and syntax, but was not a modification or offshoot of Unix code.


Mr. Eugenides: Unix sure, Linux no way.

Yes, Linux was written to be Unix-like, and Unix came before.  But Linux has since run on many more machines all over the world.  Unix was the arcane realm of scientists who had access to university or corporate mainframes.  Linux brought it home to a billion people running pet projects at home, and let them roll thier own OS.  Not to mention that Linux is still growing and becoming ever more pervasive, running on things you probably don't even realize - like your current cell phone.   I'm not saying Unix wasn't/isn't important. It was. But Linux has been far FAR more influential.


The correct answer is 386BSD. Lots of what Linux does was taken from 386BSD and FreeBSD. See CFS as exhibit A.
 
2013-07-30 08:04:13 PM
img84.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-30 08:13:44 PM
Mosaic is merely "transitional?"

The first graphic browser?

It was transitional to other graphic browsers?

Not only was the Netscape browser built on Mosaic code, Microsoft bought the commercial version, called Spyglass, to rename it to Internet Explorer.

At that time Microsoft wasn't too concerned with open source code "polluting" its codebase as they later warned customers.
The same when BSD UNIX provided Microsoft with a TCP/IP stack for Windows.
 
2013-07-30 08:19:21 PM
See not sure. I have a few out there one that should be included. Oh and all games
I Robot. First use of Polygons in a game. Simulating depth
14 tomcat. Atari Never really released. First networked arcade games
Dragons Lair. First hybrid game with computer graphics overlapping video being played via laser disk
Star wars (Atari Arcade) First use of "digitized" audio
Dont remember the name but the rock band Journey game. First use of "digitized" photos
 
2013-07-30 08:19:51 PM

Dr Dreidel: No Logo? Dunno about the rest of y'all, but that was my first experience with command-based programming. That little turtle made me who I am today.

// not named for a Renaissance painter/sculptor


Thats what i thought the headline was referring to.
 
2013-07-30 08:23:55 PM
Oh and Pong was hard wired into the board. Not loaded into rom. So technically its not software.
 
2013-07-30 08:34:33 PM
Zork or Rogue are far more influential than Minecraft.
 
2013-07-30 08:39:50 PM

netringer: Not only was the Netscape browser built on Mosaic code, Microsoft bought the commercial version, called Spyglass, to rename it to Internet Explorer.

At that time Microsoft wasn't too concerned with open source code "polluting" its codebase as they later warned customers.
The same when BSD UNIX provided Microsoft with a TCP/IP stack for Windows.


Mosaic wasn't open source. Also, wasn't Microsoft's claim about open source specific to "share and share alike" licenses like GPL and CC? I don't recall them railing against BSD/MIT style licenses.
 
2013-07-30 08:41:25 PM
Ya the Mindcraft thing is dumb. It usually shows that this article was written or edited by someone young. If you where going to include something like that Zork Rogue maybe Sim city. Or Oregan Trail
 
2013-07-30 08:46:42 PM

kombi: Oh and Pong was hard wired into the board. Not loaded into rom. So technically its not software.


I was thinking more along the lines of the Pong that appeared in arcade games and console cartridges. It's the oldest mass-produced digital game I can think of, the grand-daddy of digital games, though I'm sure there were plenty of other games that existed only in a lab.
 
2013-07-30 08:51:10 PM
Netware v3.1
 
2013-07-30 08:51:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: downstairs: Linux_Yes: Mr. Eugenides: Linux_Yes: ThrobblefootSpectre: Linux kernel


THE single most important piece of software ever devised.  and this will become much more clear to the nay sayers in 10 or 20 years.

Copy/paste is the most important software ever devised?

Unix sure, Linux no way.

sure Unix was first, but Linux is taking its place.


And Linux was the first to essentially be easy enough to use for an only *somewhat* savvy person.

My freshman year in college the most convenient computer lab to me was about half X-Windows dumb terminals running off of a Solaris machine somewhere, 25% Windows PCs and 25% Macs.  Over the next several years more Macs and Windows machines replaced most of the X-Windows terminals.

Given that most everyone had a Mac or PC in their dorm room it made sense - they could work with their own files much easier on a machine running the same OS and software, but for just stopping in to check e-mail (pre-smartphone days) I loved the X-terminals because there was never a line for any of them unlike the Macs and Windows boxes.

The Computer Science department used the Solaris systems as the primary platform for the early level classes, but there was a dedicated lab in the building and you could just telnet in from your dorm to work from there.


University of Louisiana- Lafayette (don't laugh, they have a top rate computer science department) was still running SunSPARC in the 90s when I was there in the main lab. Lots of little Mac labs spread around campus. I remember the first time I was able to remote connect from my off-campus housing on a shiatty 786k line. I thought I was a god.
 
2013-07-30 08:53:21 PM

R.A.Danny: Lotus Notes is friggin awesome.


Done here. So secure, even the Head Idiot who Sleeps in the Whitehouse has a blackberry on it. You can have LookOut for your personal client, I care not.  We'll front your email to whatever email client you want.  For security, stability and scalability, IBM has it, and always has had it. An un-crackable schema.  Period. MS is a mishmash mess of noise and crap that gives you cancer if you're a Sys admin who has to juggle certs and cross .NET crap. Learn, the Notes/Domino schema has been the singular most successful/secure backbone in the last 30 years. If it's good enough for the US Navy, it's good enough for me.

/Domino sysadmin 22 years.
//slashies
 
2013-07-30 08:53:31 PM
No Global Thermonuclear War?
 
2013-07-30 09:19:14 PM
Photoshop, Mosiac and Lotus Notes are no-brainers.  VisiCalc is a solid choice.  The rest of the list leaves something to be desired.

No Napster?  It catapulted file sharing on the internet.

No Doom?  There's a billion dollar industry built around first-person video games.

Someone mentioned PrintShopDeluxe - very influential.
 
2013-07-30 09:23:50 PM

theorellior: Fark no. The Quark interface and workflow was so much better for productivity and PROPER POSTSCRIPT until InDesign hit probably CS3 or CS4. I mean, it's a product put out by the company who invented PostScript and yet I get RIP errors? Bullshiat.


LeatherPenguin: Pretty much this. Xpress was the industry standard, and Quark just sat back and let InDesign blow right by and send them into near-oblivion. The only place I see it anymore is at print shops too cheap to upgrade.


kth: I write training in Quark. It is easily the most annoying thing about my job. And my job has many annoying aspects.


Quark as a program was great...nice feature set, solid performance, cool space alien Easter egg, something like a 12 meg install well into the mid-2000s? Yes, please.

Quark as a company? F*ck, no. Onerous copy-protection schemes and legendary disregard for periodic updates and innovation. They deserved to die.

I taught a few college level-desktop publishing classes circa 1999, and they made me use Pagemaker instead of Quark because it's all they had. And it was the PC version. I felt bad taking a paycheck for that job because I might as well have been teaching audio engineers how to master for 8-track. But that's how I feel about Quark now that InDesign is the standard.
 
2013-07-30 09:24:08 PM
Oh, and Lemonade Stand.  All resource management games owe a little bit to Lemonade Stand.

cdn.toucharcade.com
 
2013-07-30 09:57:17 PM

Tax Boy: Company EV


The little programs they included in their ads which you could type in and run gave me my first taste of computer programming.

Also:
www.nibblemagazine.com

(one of the) Best computer magazine EVAR.
 
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