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(Salon)   Why isn't President Obama helping the middle class by slashing programs that directly help the middle class?   (salon.com) divider line 302
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2013-07-30 01:26:58 PM  
The middle class has it even easier than the poor.

I hear that effectively 100% of the "middle class" have access to adequate refrigeration for their foodstuffs!
 
2013-07-30 01:36:30 PM  
because he's not Republican or a dumbass?

but I repeat myself
 
2013-07-30 01:38:39 PM  
All of this - from lumping together Social Security and Medicare despite those programs' incredibly different long-term cost projections, simply because the centrist elite want both of them cut, to the way "entitlement reform" is treated as a sort of self-evident good, because centrist deficit hysteria is a religious belief and hence not in need of justification - is not just bullshiat, it's very old and tired bullshiat. It's comically ancient bullshiat.

I want to kiss this paragraph on the mouth.
 
2013-07-30 01:44:23 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: All of this - from lumping together Social Security and Medicare despite those programs' incredibly different long-term cost projections, simply because the centrist elite want both of them cut, to the way "entitlement reform" is treated as a sort of self-evident good, because centrist deficit hysteria is a religious belief and hence not in need of justification - is not just bullshiat, it's very old and tired bullshiat. It's comically ancient bullshiat.

I want to kiss this paragraph on the mouth.


I want to Eiffel Tower that paragraph with you
 
2013-07-30 01:48:51 PM  
And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist". There's nothing centrist about any of this shiat.
 
2013-07-30 01:51:10 PM  
Aside from his inane rambling, the author has the most punchable face I've seen in a while...and I'm not a violent person.
 
2013-07-30 01:52:48 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist". There's nothing centrist about any of this shiat.


in the rest of the world, yes. but not in the good ol' USA.

the centrists that the author is referring to are the WaPo's editorial board. that's terrifying.
 
2013-07-30 01:53:24 PM  
Perhaps because us sociopathic centrists realize that there are lots of problems facing the future of this country and not addressing a major one because It's politically hard is the reason the country got into this mess in the first place.
 
2013-07-30 01:54:20 PM  

WTF Indeed: Perhaps because us sociopathic centrists realize that there are lots of problems facing the future of this country and not addressing a major one because It's politically hard is the reason the country got into this mess in the first place.


Nothing you said there is true.
 
2013-07-30 01:54:52 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist". There's nothing centrist about any of this shiat.


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2013-07-30 01:54:57 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist". There's nothing centrist about any of this shiat.


Is there really a center though?
 
2013-07-30 01:55:49 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist".


Very true.  One thing the right are good at is defining the language of a discussion.
 
2013-07-30 01:57:40 PM  

Jackson Herring: I want to Eiffel Tower that paragraph with you


wat?

*consults urban dictionary*

Huh.  Learn something new every day.
 
2013-07-30 01:58:50 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The middle class has it even easier than the poor.

I hear that effectively 100% of the "middle class" have access to adequate refrigeration for their foodstuffs!


I'm just surprised I don't hear more from those that think they are middle class but fall just outside the income requirements to qualify for many programs designed to help those less fortunate.

Of course, a lot of people that think they are middle class are really just working class people living paycheck to paycheck.
 
2013-07-30 01:59:12 PM  

WTF Indeed: Perhaps because us sociopathic centrists realize that there are lots of problems facing the future of this country and not addressing a major one because It's politically hard is the reason the country got into this mess in the first place.


Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.
 
2013-07-30 01:59:49 PM  

Muta: A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist".

Very true.  One thing the right are good at is defining the language of a discussion.


Only because people buy into it. They're "really good" at dictating the conversation because liberals - centrists, that is, actual centrists - are "really good" at being unwilling to take a stand on any particular point.
 
2013-07-30 02:00:17 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: WTF Indeed: Perhaps because us sociopathic centrists realize that there are lots of problems facing the future of this country and not addressing a major one because It's politically hard is the reason the country got into this mess in the first place.

Nothing you said there is true.


I don't know what magical fairy tale world you live in, but here in the real one there are serious problems with healthcare costs, future social security funding, infrastructure and education funding, and military overspending.
 
2013-07-30 02:00:58 PM  
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

    The darkness drops again but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
 
2013-07-30 02:01:08 PM  
It doesn't matter what republicans or democrats want to do fiscally.  They are both puppets of the monied class.  They will never serve in the interest of the workers.
 
2013-07-30 02:01:25 PM  

Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.


Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.
 
2013-07-30 02:01:34 PM  
Obama is more right than Reagan
 
2013-07-30 02:02:07 PM  

WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.


Workers revolution?
 
2013-07-30 02:02:08 PM  

Muta: Simple solution. Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.


But how will we pay for tanks the military doesn't need??
 
2013-07-30 02:02:12 PM  

meat0918: I'm just surprised I don't hear more from those that think they are middle class but fall just outside the income requirements to qualify for many programs designed to help those less fortunate.


If you're wealthier that the poorest person in the country and poorer than the wealthiest person you are technically middle class.  Being technically middle class is really the best type of middle class.
 
2013-07-30 02:03:08 PM  

WTF Indeed: Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen.


Do you ever question why that is?
 
2013-07-30 02:03:09 PM  

FarkedOver: WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.

Workers revolution?


what workers? They got rid of unions and outlawed the ability to form one in most states
 
2013-07-30 02:03:14 PM  

WTF Indeed: A Dark Evil Omen: WTF Indeed: Perhaps because us sociopathic centrists realize that there are lots of problems facing the future of this country and not addressing a major one because It's politically hard is the reason the country got into this mess in the first place.

Nothing you said there is true.

I don't know what magical fairy tale world you live in, but here in the real one there are serious problems with healthcare costs, future social security funding, infrastructure and education funding, and military overspending.


No, here in the  actual real world - the one that exists outside bullshiat Washington narratives where cuts to things people need somehow improves the economy in the face of all reason and evidence - there are problems with military overspending and a vast gap in funding to things like healthcare, social security, infrastructure, education and the like.
 
2013-07-30 02:03:50 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Muta: A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist".

Very true.  One thing the right are good at is defining the language of a discussion.

Only because people buy into it. They're "really good" at dictating the conversation because liberals - centrists, that is, actual centrists - are "really good" at being unwilling to take a stand on any particular point.


Again though, that assume that the term "center" has a fixed definition. People use it in all sorts of different ways without really specifying what definition of the "center" they are using.
 
2013-07-30 02:05:00 PM  
President speaking now. Link
 
2013-07-30 02:05:22 PM  

somedude210: FarkedOver: WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.

Workers revolution?

what workers? They got rid of unions and outlawed the ability to form one in most states


I would use the term proletariat, but then I'd get red-baited and have to explain communism for the umpteenth time and that's just today.
 
2013-07-30 02:05:51 PM  

WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.


So, because one group of people in power now will not allow changes that would help the country and its citizens, we should do something that the group in power will allow, that hurts the country and its citizens?
 
2013-07-30 02:06:40 PM  

Tomahawk513: WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.

So, because one group of people in power now will not allow changes that would help the country and its citizens, we should do something that the group in power will allow, that hurts the country and its citizens?


That's the "reasonable" thing to do, supposedly.
 
2013-07-30 02:07:00 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Muta: A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist".

Very true.  One thing the right are good at is defining the language of a discussion.

Only because people buy into it. They're "really good" at dictating the conversation because liberals - centrists, that is, actual centrists - are "really good" at being unwilling to take a stand on any particular point.


Actual liberals are good at taking stands for what they believe in. Unfortunately the right has convinced many Americans that to be a liberal is to be a traitor to America. So many folks hang out in the middle, not daring to do anything to make their world a better place.
 
2013-07-30 02:07:24 PM  
Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.

Nothing can pass through Congress.  It doesn't matter the quality or benefit of any plan.  There is no point in coming up with anything because nothing will pass.  That's why all we are getting is theater.
 
2013-07-30 02:08:46 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I want to kiss this paragraph on the mouth


haha!  I had it C&P and was about to drop it in here, too.

Alex P is a recent favorite of mine.
 
2013-07-30 02:09:22 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Actual liberals are good at taking stands for what they believe in. Unfortunately the right has convinced many Americans that to be a liberal is to be a traitor to America. So many folks hang out in the middle, not daring to do anything to make their world a better place.


Actual liberals do not go far enough.  Deep inside every liberal they know the inherent problems with capitalism, but they still think they can change the system by working with it.  It's kind of like battered woman syndrome.

/recovering liberal.
 
2013-07-30 02:09:31 PM  

WTF Indeed: How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.


Thanks to the House GOP, those are competing, mutually-exclusive outcomes.
 
2013-07-30 02:11:36 PM  

Tomahawk513: WTF Indeed: Muta: Simple solution.  Cut defense spending $50B/year and use the savings to increase funding to Social Security and Medicare each by $25B/year.

Hey, guess what?! That'll never happen. How about trying to think of solution that'll work AND pass through Congress.

So, because one group of people in power now will not allow changes that would help the country and its citizens, we should do something that the group in power will allow, that hurts the country and its citizens?


Well, that Overton window ain't gonna move itself.
 
2013-07-30 02:12:14 PM  
A subset of Democrats who just want to win elections feel it's a missed opportunity to be any more to the left of Republicans than they have to be to win votes.  They move to the right as Republicans do, just not as far.
 
2013-07-30 02:13:57 PM  

Nem Wan: A subset of Democrats who just want to win elections feel it's a missed opportunity to be any more to the left of Republicans than they have to be to win votes.  They move to the right as Republicans do, just not as far.


Well, unfortunately that "certain subset" consists of essentially every Dem with any position of influence. That's why voting Democratic, at least presently, is voting for the Republican platform from eight years ago. I'm looking forward to two presidential terms from now, when the Dems are pushing present Tea Partier rhetoric...
 
2013-07-30 02:15:41 PM  
because there are too many potatos?

/edumacated guess
 
2013-07-30 02:16:11 PM  
Obama eats lasagne while America starves!

a little over the top, don't you think?
 
2013-07-30 02:16:21 PM  

FarkedOver: Mike Chewbacca: Actual liberals are good at taking stands for what they believe in. Unfortunately the right has convinced many Americans that to be a liberal is to be a traitor to America. So many folks hang out in the middle, not daring to do anything to make their world a better place.

Actual liberals do not go far enough.  Deep inside every liberal they know the inherent problems with capitalism, but they still think they can change the system by working with it.  It's kind of like battered woman syndrome.

/recovering liberal.


Capitalism is like a child.  Allow the child too much freedom with no consequences, and you end up with a bully.  Put too many restraints on it, and you end up with a person unable to adapt.  Just like a parent, you have to play a careful balancing game between structure and freedom.
 
2013-07-30 02:16:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Nem Wan: A subset of Democrats who just want to win elections feel it's a missed opportunity to be any more to the left of Republicans than they have to be to win votes.  They move to the right as Republicans do, just not as far.

Well, unfortunately that "certain subset" consists of essentially every Dem with any position of influence. That's why voting Democratic, at least presently, is voting for the Republican platform from eight years ago. I'm looking forward to two presidential terms from now, when the Dems are pushing present Tea Partier rhetoric...


Voting for either party is an exercise in futility.  Yeah maybe one side has the same position as you on a wedge issue, but from an economic standpoint they both want to fark you.
 
2013-07-30 02:16:52 PM  
The only 'reform' needed for both Medicare and OASDI is to do away with the archaic income cap.  Tax all income equally.
 
2013-07-30 02:16:59 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: A Dark Evil Omen: Muta: A Dark Evil Omen: And, of course, even in calling it out, Salon is swallowing the right-wing tripe by referring to any of this stupid far-right "ideas" as "centrist".

Very true.  One thing the right are good at is defining the language of a discussion.

Only because people buy into it. They're "really good" at dictating the conversation because liberals - centrists, that is, actual centrists - are "really good" at being unwilling to take a stand on any particular point.

Actual liberals are good at taking stands for what they believe in. Unfortunately the right has convinced many Americans that to be a liberal is to be a traitor to America. So many folks hang out in the middle, not daring to do anything to make their world a better place.



A cousin of mine actually got a message from one of our mutual family members warning her that I was not to be trusted on anything because I am an uber liberal who preaches tolerance but is intolerant to views that aren't mine.

The views I have that are radical leftist propaganda? That racism is wrong, women are people, and poor people deserve to eat.

Quick, someone report me as a traitor to the American way of life.
 
2013-07-30 02:17:14 PM  

Tomahawk513: Capitalism is like a child. Allow the child too much freedom with no consequences, and you end up with a bully. Put too many restraints on it, and you end up with a person unable to adapt. Just like a parent, you have to play a careful balancing game between structure and freedom.


I would say capitalism is an economic model.  Like all other economic models that have come before it, it to will end one day.
 
2013-07-30 02:17:33 PM  

Tomahawk513: FarkedOver: Mike Chewbacca: Actual liberals are good at taking stands for what they believe in. Unfortunately the right has convinced many Americans that to be a liberal is to be a traitor to America. So many folks hang out in the middle, not daring to do anything to make their world a better place.

Actual liberals do not go far enough.  Deep inside every liberal they know the inherent problems with capitalism, but they still think they can change the system by working with it.  It's kind of like battered woman syndrome.

/recovering liberal.

Capitalism is like a child.  Allow the child too much freedom with no consequences, and you end up with a bully.  Put too many restraints on it, and you end up with a person unable to adapt.  Just like a parent, you have to play a careful balancing game between structure and freedom.


Capitalism is unnecessary and harmful. There are better ways to structure society than a system built on the principle that the great majority of people should work to make a small minority rich.
 
2013-07-30 02:17:37 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Nem Wan: A subset of Democrats who just want to win elections feel it's a missed opportunity to be any more to the left of Republicans than they have to be to win votes.  They move to the right as Republicans do, just not as far.

Well, unfortunately that "certain subset" consists of essentially every Dem with any position of influence. That's why voting Democratic, at least presently, is voting for the Republican platform from eight years ago. I'm looking forward to two presidential terms from now, when the Dems are pushing present Tea Partier rhetoric...


The GOP has truly done a masterful job at shifting the Overton Window.
 
2013-07-30 02:18:22 PM  

Genevieve Marie: That racism is wrong


RACIST!
 
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