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(Yahoo)   President Obama (Charlie Brown) proposes to lower corporate tax rates in an attempt to reach a "grand bargain" (football) with Republicans (Lucy)   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 74
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2013-07-30 09:27:11 AM
it'll never happen. the GOP opposes everything obama proposes, regardless of what it actually is. that's been their plan literally from day one.
 
2013-07-30 10:30:39 AM
Good grief.
 
2013-07-31 10:08:15 AM

FlashHarry: it'll never happen. the GOP opposes everything obama proposes, regardless of what it actually is. that's been their plan literally from day one.


So... the Republicans will argue vehemently for raising corporatee tax rates now? Just to spite him?   Pass the popcorn, please!
 
2013-07-31 10:08:36 AM
fark that! You have no elections left to win, Mr President. Stop negotiating with terrorists!
 
2013-07-31 10:09:14 AM
I wish the stupid filter maintained capitalization.
 
2013-07-31 10:09:39 AM
(Charlie Brown) really turned out to be a dud...
 
2013-07-31 10:10:04 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: fark that! You have no elections left to win, Mr President. Stop negotiating with terrorists!


The Democrats have more elections to win, though. If they can cause a break between the business community and Congressional Republicans over taxes...
 
2013-07-31 10:11:52 AM
It is all simple math... And you know how that works with some.
 
2013-07-31 10:12:25 AM
Which Republicans is he trying to bargain with?

The Senate Republican leadership has stated, in no uncertain terms, that they will not support the President in anything. Any bargain made under those conditions will be broken.

The Senate Republican rank-and-file are pointless because all it seems to take is one rogue to hold up the legislation and the rest of them don't like voting against a fellow party member's holds.

The Republican House leadership can't even accurately count the votes of the own party members. They're constantly under threat to be displaced and primaried. Additionally meeting with Boener represents a radiation hazard (nobody should be that color).

The Republican Hoise rank-and-file are a bunch of Tea Partiers or appeasers. The derp runs too deep.

Oh, and each of these factions seems to dislike each other so that if you negotiate with one you alienate the others.

So who, exactly, does the President think he can actually bargain with?
 
2013-07-31 10:12:26 AM

hiker9999: FlashHarry: it'll never happen. the GOP opposes everything obama proposes, regardless of what it actually is. that's been their plan literally from day one.

So... the Republicans will argue vehemently for raising corporatee tax rates now? Just to spite him?   Pass the popcorn, please!


No. They'll take the lowered taxes, because Obama offered them, then they'll demand to defund Obamacare. Then, as they are refusing Obama's requests and demanding more than he has already given, they will accuse him of failing to compromise.
 
2013-07-31 10:19:36 AM
Republicans won't accept anything that increases revenue, period. They can only prove gov't doesn't work by destroying it.
 
2013-07-31 10:20:02 AM
Tax Cuts = Private Sector Hiring!!

It's got to come true eventually, right?
 
2013-07-31 10:20:17 AM
The president might as well try to teach a pack rabid dogs to type.
 
2013-07-31 10:20:45 AM
This is a smart play by Obama, he's basically offering tax cuts no one really cares about in exchange for investment spending. Fine by me. And if he can rebrand "Grand Bargain" as that, and not entitlement cuts, go for it.
 
2013-07-31 10:21:33 AM
So he's gonna offer them a grand bargain for a jobs bill. Didn't the republicans win the house three years ago promising jobs, jobs, jobs.
Brilliant plan there giving them something they want so that they will do what they said they would do.
 
2013-07-31 10:22:02 AM
If Obama is Charlie Brown, and the Republicans are Lucy, who is Linus (Lucy's younger brother and friend to Charlie Brown)?
 
2013-07-31 10:22:54 AM

DamnYankees: This is a smart play by Obama, he's basically offering tax cuts no one really cares about in exchange for investment spending. Fine by me. And if he can rebrand "Grand Bargain" as that, and not entitlement cuts, go for it.


If history is any indicator of future performance, he'll agree to the tax cuts, and compromise on the investment spending.
 
2013-07-31 10:22:57 AM
Goddamnit.  Can you stupid democrats at least PRETEND to have a spine for just one term?
 
2013-07-31 10:23:39 AM

GoldSpider: DamnYankees: This is a smart play by Obama, he's basically offering tax cuts no one really cares about in exchange for investment spending. Fine by me. And if he can rebrand "Grand Bargain" as that, and not entitlement cuts, go for it.

If history is any indicator of future performance, he'll agree to the tax cuts, and compromise on the investment spending.


Maybe, but if that gets rid of the horrible desire for a 'grand bargain', it might be worth it.
 
2013-07-31 10:24:08 AM

thurstonxhowell: hiker9999: FlashHarry: it'll never happen. the GOP opposes everything obama proposes, regardless of what it actually is. that's been their plan literally from day one.

So... the Republicans will argue vehemently for raising corporatee tax rates now? Just to spite him?   Pass the popcorn, please!

No. They'll take the lowered taxes, because Obama offered them, then they'll demand to defund Obamacare. Then, as they are refusing Obama's requests and demanding more than he has already given, they will accuse him of failing to compromise.


The Republican idea of compromise is: "Sure Mr President, we will do that, but first you have to take a gun and shoot the vice president to death and then hang yourself in the White House bathroom. Once that occurs and the Speaker of the House becomes president, then we will have the will to compromise with your corpse."
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-31 10:25:37 AM
Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-31 10:26:46 AM

GoldSpider: Tax Cuts = Private Sector Hiring!!

It's got to come true eventually, right?


Just by luck I guess.

This is the biggest myth of our days.  Right up there with Dillinger's penis.
 
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2013-07-31 10:31:10 AM
Lucy?  Republican?  Yeah right.
Unlike Republicans, Lucy is for affordable healthcare:
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2013-07-31 10:32:53 AM

d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

 
2013-07-31 10:34:01 AM

d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.


This, too.
 
Bf+
2013-07-31 10:36:23 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.



Bullshiat.
 
2013-07-31 10:39:40 AM

Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.


How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?
 
2013-07-31 10:40:04 AM
I think he's pretty well aware they aren't going to say yes to this.  It is posturing.  He's not an idiot.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-31 10:45:17 AM

Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.


toonclips.com
 
2013-07-31 10:46:05 AM

neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?


You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-31 10:48:30 AM

thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.


Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.
 
Bf+
2013-07-31 10:53:15 AM

d23: thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.

Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.



You said that he is as much as a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
That's a lie and you know it.
 
2013-07-31 10:53:39 AM
For every percent we lower corporate taxes, we should raise taxes on the top 1% of individuals by 10%.
 
2013-07-31 10:53:43 AM
You mean the one that the Republicans found out about via AP wire? Classy way to do business Mr. President.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/07/30/bo ehne rs-press-sectary-says-they-heard-about-obamas-grand-bargain-via-ap-wir e
 
2013-07-31 10:54:06 AM

FlashHarry: it'll never happen. the GOP opposes everything obama proposes, regardless of what it actually is. that's been their plan literally from day one.


And they even opposed it before they heard any of the details.

Here I was thinking they wanted lower taxes for the job creators, but I suppose compromising with 0blahma would be unthinkable.
 
2013-07-31 10:56:10 AM
It's time to stop pretending that the Republicans are rational and ready to compromise like reasonable adults.  I'm so tired of this stupid circus playing out every couple of months, with the same predictable result.
 
Bf+
2013-07-31 10:56:33 AM

Dog Welder: 0blahma


That.is...beautiful.
 
2013-07-31 11:02:50 AM

Bf+: d23: thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.

Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.


You said that he is as much as a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
That's a lie and you know it.


I dunno, the fact that he's a Democrat and has to pretend to get the vapors before signing and or proposing shiat like this isn't 100% convincing....  But I will concede that there may have been just a TOUCH of exaggeration there, but not enough exaggeration to change the reality of the situation at all.

He might not be quite the corpwhore Inhofe is, but the difference between them sure isn't far enough to be able to tell based on what he's willing to sign.
 
2013-07-31 11:04:41 AM
Typical democrats. They just want to kick something the republicans have.
 
2013-07-31 11:05:40 AM
Bully Pulpit is a basic function of the president. Somehow people didn't think it would include speeches.
 
2013-07-31 11:08:41 AM
neomunk: How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

Que?

Obama's been pretty good on civil rights issues, such as get rights and voter suppression, but on civil liberties he's been atrocious.
 
2013-07-31 11:08:42 AM

Chummer45: It's time to stop pretending that the Republicans are rational and ready to compromise like reasonable adults.  I'm so tired of this stupid circus playing out every couple of months, with the same predictable result.


That's what we get for electing the blah guy with a D after his name.
 
2013-07-31 11:09:11 AM
It's still an overall tax increase. His demand, in exchange for the tax increase, is to use the additional tax proceeds for some nebulous "job creation" programs.

As we know, the GOP is opposed to tax hikes. How the fark is this anything close to a grand bargain? It'd be the equivalent of the GOP proposing to streamline social program spending if the dems agreed to use the resulting savings for tax cuts.

Regardless of whether corporate tax reform (elimination of some loopholes and reduction of rates) is a good idea (it absolutely is), this isn't a "grand bargain". Calling it that is just a political tactic.
 
2013-07-31 11:10:09 AM
Note to self: never bypass the preview option when hand-coding HTML from phone.
 
2013-07-31 11:11:45 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: How the fark is this anything close to a grand bargain? It'd be the equivalent of the GOP proposing to streamline social program spending if the dems agreed to use the resulting savings for tax cuts.


Wait, why would the Republicans have a problem with cutting social program spending to fund tax cuts? How is that not a bargain?

Also, nice use of "streamlining". Very Orwellian.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-31 11:12:14 AM

Bf+: d23: thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.

Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.


You said that he is as much as a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
That's a lie and you know it.


How DARE you question my hyperbole, young man!
 
2013-07-31 11:19:42 AM

qorkfiend: Uranus Is Huge!: fark that! You have no elections left to win, Mr President. Stop negotiating with terrorists!

The Democrats have more elections to win, though. If they can cause a break between the business community and Congressional Republicans over taxes...


The Democrats won just about everything they could last year despite crazy amounts of soft, Citizens United money. Can't we have at least one party that pretends to be for the people, not the oligarchy? We need revenue. Poor people don't have any, and taxing the rich is now considered Stalinist. How about taxing businesses? Productivity and profits are way, way up. Can we start by at least ending subsidies to businesses that have profits greater than the GDP of most countries? Does that make me a commie?
 
Bf+
2013-07-31 11:20:04 AM

neomunk: Bf+: d23: thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.

Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.


You said that he is as much as a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
That's a lie and you know it.

I dunno, the fact that he's a Democrat and has to pretend to get the vapors before signing and or proposing shiat like this isn't 100% convincing....  But I will concede that there may have been just a TOUCH of exaggeration there, but not enough exaggeration to change the reality of the situation at all.

He might not be quite the corpwhore Inhofe is, but the difference between them sure isn't far enough to be able to tell based on what he's willing to sign.



I'm glad you agree it was a lie.
I will readily call him a corporate whore, but to say that he is the worst corporate whore that there is?  That's willingly untruthful.  To even compare the magnitude is to engage in the same blatant false equivalency parroted in Republican talking points in order to convince the public to vote for the the "more evil."
 
2013-07-31 11:20:39 AM

Zagloba: neomunk: How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

Que?

Obama's been pretty good on civil rights issues, such as get rights and voter suppression, but on civil liberties he's been atrocious.


After a 2 minute head tilt session thinking about the differences between the two, I'll go ahead and agree.  Yep, you're right, swap out the one for the other.
 
2013-07-31 11:22:11 AM

Bf+: neomunk: Bf+: d23: thurstonxhowell: neomunk: Bf+: DarkSoulNoHope: d23: Obama is as much of a corporate whore as anyone in congress.

This, too.


Bullshiat.

How?  He's been pretty good on civil liberties, but as far as corporate responsibility goes, he's very reluctant to impose anything TOO fair or realistic.  Can't be looking anti-business by making them pay their own costs, now can we?

You can't name anyone in Congress that's more of a corporate whore? Inhofe has been sucking Exxon's dick so long and hard that he's mostly oily sperm at this point.

Can you name anyone in Congress who is NOT a corporate whore??

But here's the deal... Obama started giving handjobs to the bankers the day after he was elected.  Anyone saying he is a socialist does nothing but prove himself to be a someone who is parroting talking points.


You said that he is as much as a corporate whore as anyone in congress.
That's a lie and you know it.

I dunno, the fact that he's a Democrat and has to pretend to get the vapors before signing and or proposing shiat like this isn't 100% convincing....  But I will concede that there may have been just a TOUCH of exaggeration there, but not enough exaggeration to change the reality of the situation at all.

He might not be quite the corpwhore Inhofe is, but the difference between them sure isn't far enough to be able to tell based on what he's willing to sign.


I'm glad you agree it was a lie.
I will readily call him a corporate whore, but to say that he is the worst corporate whore that there is?  That's willingly untruthful.  To even compare the magnitude is to engage in the same blatant false equivalency parroted in Republican talking points in order to convince the public to vote for the the "more evil."


It's not a lie, it's a (very small amount) of hyperbole.  Again, his signing hand doesn't give you too much reason to suspect that they're that far apart.
 
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