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2013-07-30 10:43:20 AM  
12 votes:
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Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?
2013-07-30 10:38:02 AM  
10 votes:
People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.
2013-07-30 10:02:50 AM  
9 votes:
The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.
2013-07-30 09:20:39 AM  
8 votes:
There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.
2013-07-30 12:02:44 PM  
7 votes:

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious


Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.
2013-07-30 09:35:11 AM  
7 votes:
Normally I'd just laugh something like this off and say "the stupid, it burns!"  But when it comes to global warming, the stupid really is going to burn us.
2013-07-30 10:28:37 AM  
6 votes:
This moron is a perfect example of why science must be taught to our children.
2013-07-30 10:31:07 AM  
5 votes:

factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!


Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.
2013-07-30 09:15:07 AM  
5 votes:
we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution

Disparaging the wealthy? What kind of America hating communist is this guy?
2013-07-30 10:44:30 AM  
4 votes:

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.
2013-07-30 12:49:20 PM  
3 votes:

untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.


They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.
2013-07-30 12:19:42 PM  
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


The GOP is a coalition of a small number of rich people that manipulate a large group of weak minded people to get into office.  The rich faction have been able to manipulate the dumb faction into somehow believing that pushing for *their brand* of "capitalism" is a religious issue.  Capitalism is in quotes because we don't have it right now in the U.S.  We've got oligarchy and it's nothing to do with the competition that the word capitalism implies.

They've got agents out there in the megachurches like Joel Onstein that put on "God wants you to be successful" sermons.  I've read the bible and Jesus didn't say anything about God wanting you to be rich.  As a matter of fact everything was just the opposite.  However the GOP has managed to play the old meme about Americans being temporarily embarrassed millionaires to marry the ideas of religion and corporatism.
2013-07-30 12:10:43 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.
2013-07-30 12:02:35 PM  
3 votes:
It's because of dumbass fundies like this why we don't have colonies on the Moon and Mars by now, people.
2013-07-30 11:56:37 AM  
3 votes:
Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?
2013-07-30 11:51:51 AM  
3 votes:
I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?
2013-07-30 11:44:09 AM  
3 votes:

Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst


top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states
2013-07-30 11:33:37 AM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


I'm well aware, given that I'm Catholic.  I also know that I don't worship statues, but then I'm not a very good Catholic.

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives.


Ultimately this is the root of the problem.  It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.  That's the biggest problem with religion being used as a front for pseudoscience, especially when leaders of religions take firm stands that actual science is heretical, and then forges their political ideology around it.  So you end up with a group of people whose political, religious, and scientific takes on life are all rigid and intertwined, and sure enough they don't accept it when some "other" comes along and tries to explain a problem with their scientific view.

Plus there's a lot of mercury in the water supply throughout Appalachia because of coal-fired power plants.
2013-07-30 11:03:36 AM  
3 votes:

SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,


Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.
2013-07-30 10:55:34 AM  
3 votes:
"We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.
2013-07-30 10:44:53 AM  
3 votes:
"treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.
2013-07-30 10:44:04 AM  
3 votes:

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


In this way, I now appreciate The Waterboy as a sophisticated allegory of the epistemic closure that is epidemic among the modern conservative and Republican ideologies.
2013-07-30 10:36:54 AM  
3 votes:
And whut's with all this fancy heliocentrism?  It says clearly in the Bible that Joshua stopped the sun outside the walls of Jericho - clearly the sun goes around the Earth.
2013-07-30 10:15:36 AM  
3 votes:
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?
2013-07-30 09:31:14 AM  
3 votes:

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.
2013-07-30 09:28:09 AM  
3 votes:
I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.
2013-07-30 09:24:55 AM  
3 votes:

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


I bet they are rich, compared to droopy-eyed Kentuckians who lost their jobs because you just can't keep putting your hand in the fryolator and trying to catch a McNugget
2013-07-30 02:00:52 PM  
2 votes:

Wasteland: hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.

The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.

Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.


This is sad, but true. And what makes it sad, is that folks are essentially voting based on the idea that folks will reinforce their tribal markings. During the 2008 election, we saw "Real America" as a catch phrase. "Real America" wasn't those stuffed shirts in the East, you know, the birthplace of the nation, whose ancestors actually fought for the nation, whose original colonies were the underpinnings of this grand experiment of a Republic. Nope, the folks whose states had originally formed the Union, they were out of touch, what with their kooky adherence to law, their schools that are older than the nation, and all that folderol.

It boils down to fear. Fear of change, fear of progress, fear that they might actually being left behind, and fear that they might prefer that to what is going on in the world, because it's scary to think that tradition and what has "always" been, might actually be hurting you. Far easier to lash out, and insulate and pretend that your own fears are someone else's fault, and suppress that twinge that the folks who are patting you on the head for your support, might just be taking advantage of the situation, but that is less scary than change or questioning...
2013-07-30 01:45:50 PM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.


The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.

Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.
2013-07-30 01:02:10 PM  
2 votes:

kidgenius: untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.

They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.


Observed speciation
More observed speciation
A few more examples (Wiki, so check the references)

And the articles that I have been reposting for nearly 20 years: Observed Instances of Speciation and  Some More Observed Speciation Events

What's sad is that those last two articles were published when some of the critics were still in diapers.  They have literally been on the internet for nearly a generation.  Anyone who still claims that we have never observed speciation is being willfully ignorant and deliberately choosing to not know what's going on around them.
2013-07-30 12:49:11 PM  
2 votes:

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


um, yes it can.

"As the huge array of drug resistant pathogens grows we are learning that evolution is easiest to observe in species with a quick generation turnover. Since 1988, in the lab of Richard Lenski, the evolution of twelve E. coli populations from a single ancestor strain has been studied. Since then, over 50,000 generations of E. coli have been and gone, and the differences between the populations and each population from the ancestor strain have been documented. With samples of each population taken regularly the accumulated genetic changes can be followed with ease. Over time the bacteria have become far more efficient at growing under the conditions used. This study has provided evidence of how evolution actually occurs. One of the populations developed the ability to utilize citrate as a nutrient, something otherwise unknown in E. coli under similar conditions."
2013-07-30 12:44:18 PM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Many religious people think that God gave humankind the Earth to do with as we will, which supposedly means that the Earth in good operating condition is a gift from God and therefore perfect and unchanging like God Himself.  Admitting that it's even POSSIBLE for humans to screw up the environment goes against that belief (at least some people seem to think it does).
2013-07-30 12:37:22 PM  
2 votes:
Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.
2013-07-30 12:27:40 PM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Keep in mind, Kentucky's part of the epicenter of the right's War on Coal rhetoric.  Anything environmental-policy related (with the exception of hunting and fishing) = job-killing green energy leftist EPA lies undercutting the Kentucky economy = godless socialists destroying our way of life.

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.
2013-07-30 12:26:34 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.


Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.
2013-07-30 12:21:52 PM  
2 votes:

Rwa2play: Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.


Because they have 1/50th of the voting power in the US Senate and 6/435ths of the voting power in the US House, part of the government controlling the world's largest standing military (and more-or-less underwriting a disturbingly large number of the economies on the planet).

Via the committee process in Congress, they furthermore have disproportionate power on matters of energy, education (!), science (!!), space and technology, transportation, infrastructure, the financial sector, and one of them (http://halrogers.house.gov/) serves as the chair of the committee to allocate money to address all of those other matters.

Wish it weren't true. It'd sure be a more convenient world where I could just ignore Kentucky.
2013-07-30 12:18:19 PM  
2 votes:

dr_blasto: So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?


the bible is a much more devastating drug than meth.
2013-07-30 12:17:50 PM  
2 votes:
These days, who cares what the third world monkeys from those states think.  Personally, I just think that most people from red states are incapable of anything other than grunts and hoots.  Why even attempt to talk to them, they will just throw their feces at you?

For those of you in Kentucky "ook ook snort ock ock."
2013-07-30 12:16:51 PM  
2 votes:

Godscrack: Keep people stupid with religion. More money for the conservative base.

Kentucky's poverty problem fifth worst in U.S.

America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

Kentucky 3rd highest in Obesity in US


And they gave us Mitch Farking McConnell. I hate those people now.
2013-07-30 12:07:13 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


blog.blahgyou.com
2013-07-30 12:06:50 PM  
2 votes:
Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.
2013-07-30 12:04:20 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...
2013-07-30 11:57:25 AM  
2 votes:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?
2013-07-30 11:55:52 AM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states


And they wonder why the north pokes fun at them.

It reminds me of Rick Perry...when confronted with the stats that his abstinence-only state ranks at the very bottom of teen pregnancy statistics, he said that the teachers must not be doing a good enough job teaching abstinence.

The facepalm is on full auto.
2013-07-30 11:53:42 AM  
2 votes:

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


Hold on there, pal.  Kentucky provides the US with a vital resource: bourbon.  Sure, sure... it can technically be made anywhere, but as when God said he'd spare Sodom if he could find just 20 good folks, I think that bourbon alone is a raison d'etre for KY.

Trivia Jockey: This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.


Teaching your children that knowledge of the world is a fixed quantity and then tying it to religion is a terrible thing.  Plenty of people raise their kids religious and they don't end up rejecting science.
2013-07-30 11:15:53 AM  
2 votes:

SurfaceTension: Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.

You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.


Touché.
2013-07-30 11:06:52 AM  
2 votes:

Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.


You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.
2013-07-30 11:03:39 AM  
2 votes:

FloydA: I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so. They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.


That's because the entirety of their knowledge of evolution is essentially a straw man, spoon fed to them by their parents and pastors.
2013-07-30 10:14:58 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.


Accredited by a farce governing body.

Next up: Chiropractic and acupuncture as scientifically accredited medical disciplines.

WAT!?

The BAcC's register has been accredited under a new scheme set up by the Department of Health and administered by an independent body which is accountable to Parliament.

the Council is responsible for all matters pertaining to the accreditation status of Doctor of Chiropractic Programs (DCPs), institutions housing DCPs, or solitary purpose chiropractic institutions.

Idiocracy was not intended to be a working plan.

JFC, can we just START CIVILIZATION OVER? The stupid, it burns.
2013-07-30 09:22:20 PM  
1 vote:

Damnhippyfreak: Wat


I fark you not.
And they really do have only the one class in biology - for their elementary ed program.
The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.

It's my recurring proselytizer-won't-leave-me-and-mine-the-fark-alone nightmare, only without the Mormons.
2013-07-30 08:02:00 PM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister,


www.biblesmack.net

"Matt is a graduate of Boyce College at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Kentucky, with a degree in interdisciplinary studies. He also holds a Masters degree from Campbellsville University in Theology.

Matt is an author, preacher, radio talk show host, and is also actively involved in politics.

Matt resides in Southwest Louisville, KY."

/Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist
2013-07-30 06:06:45 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL


Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!
2013-07-30 05:39:10 PM  
1 vote:

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for


You've answered your own question. Reproductive success. That's it.
2013-07-30 05:18:32 PM  
1 vote:

Latinwolf: The Bible preaches against knowledge.  In the very first book of the Bible, the moral of the Adam and Eve story is that having knowledge was a sin.


What is "dogma from  christian mythology that has nothing to do with the Hebrew text," Alex?

/Dreidel, I'm punting it.
//You can slap it around.
2013-07-30 05:07:35 PM  
1 vote:

serial_crusher: lohphat: Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

Problem with that chart is they included federal employees' salaries as expenses.  So, a federal employee living in Virginia (there's a lot of those) is going to show up as a red state expense, even though he theoretically earns that salary by producing something that benefits the whole country.  Even if Virginia seceded, you'd just have to hire somebody else to do the same job, then your costs would shift.


Gladly. I'd rather employ a person from a secular state than a sacred one.
2013-07-30 04:49:57 PM  
1 vote:

lohphat: SilentStrider: Richard C Stanford: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

I think you mean 20th century.

Bleep that. I want these assholes dragged into the present. Kicking and screaming if need be. I'm tired if the South dragging the country down with their goddamned willful ignorance.

Fark. The. South.

Lincoln could have prevented all those war dead and animosity by allowing the Soth to remain a backwards shiathole until it emploded on its own. By forcefully dragging them along all he did was sow the seeds of bitterness and martyrdom for them to believe they'll "rise again".

Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

[liberalbias.com image 800x588]


Except that, had Lincoln done so, right now we'd be dealing with something akin to tribal Pakistan/Afghanistan and 30 million very pissed off descendants of slaves. The Southern States would have turned into a bloodbath within 20 years or so anyway. I've read one theory that the Slaves were already starting to organize and those little seeds of organization would likely have turned into a serious rebellion by 1890, especially in the light of the new weapons technology that was being developed, such things as the wheelgun and the lever action rifle. Nearly all of the blacksmiths in the South during the later Antebellum period were slaves, and blacksmithing is called the King of Trades for a reason. The author had some evidence for this, there were written notes found in the basements and cellars of the houses along the Underground Railroad, graffiti written in lampblack, written instructions on how to get to the next waystation. The slavefolk were starting to teach themselves to read and write, hiding messages and discussing what they had read amongst themselves. It was considered a felony to teach a black man to read back then.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
2013-07-30 04:42:26 PM  
1 vote:
This provides me a small glimmer of hope that my kids might actually get a decent classroom education without me going broke.  I'm in Northern KY in the best school district in the area, which is one of the best ones in the state.  I'm still struggling with whether or not to shell out over $8,000 in tuition per kid per year for them to attend the only high quality private school in the area that isn't a religious school.  My oldest starts first grade in a couple of weeks.  We decided to give the public schools a chance, but I'm skeptical.  It's sad that a decent education requires that level of financial commitment.

I am encouraged by the fact that the people in power decided to adopt the standards.  The comments from the opposition make me want to pack up my family and run far, far away.  Doubly so since I can easily imagine my own parents saying many of those same things.
2013-07-30 04:26:31 PM  
1 vote:

common sense is an oxymoron: If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?


[His Dark Materials reference]
2013-07-30 04:19:04 PM  
1 vote:
Timid Goddess:
If you descended from your Grandparents, why do you have cousins?

common sense is an oxymoron:
If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?

Grandparents, or dust?  Science can't even agree!  Clearly the controversy must be taught.
2013-07-30 03:51:07 PM  
1 vote:

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?



If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?
2013-07-30 03:44:41 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?

No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.

Well, you and the federal prison guards (they're tested).
/No Jews there, either.


We have a Jewish doctor, and I'm pretty sure he lives in this county. Sadly..... he's probably the only one.
2013-07-30 03:42:42 PM  
1 vote:

Kahabut: Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.

I'm not sure Satanists are rational, but maybe they have some common sense.  I'd point out though, that Satanists and Pagans have about as much in common as.... well they have almost nothing in common.

/pretty sure you know that
//still feel its required to say it
///the dumb, it's everywhere.


I met one self-described Satanist through a common-interest group many years ago.  Apparently he had had some very bad experiences with local church groups in his younger days (I don't know any details), and viewed Satanism as a way of rebelling against mainstream Christianity.

Unfortunately, he seemed to end up with the same kind of simplistic worldview that makes some Christian sects so harmful; he just chose to support the "other" side.  Last I heard, he was wanted by the FBI for some sort of computer-related crimes.
2013-07-30 03:23:26 PM  
1 vote:

QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?

No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.


Well, you and the federal prison guards (they're tested).
/No Jews there, either.
2013-07-30 03:19:34 PM  
1 vote:

wolfpaq777: FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states

Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.


any causation is inferred by you. i merely pointed out the correlation.
2013-07-30 03:18:17 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

(You do know that there are exactly zero Jews in Pike County.)


I was just guessing a county that's heavily armed :)

I brought a Philly Jew to the Derby a few years ago, she couldn't understand a word my friend from Carter County said. I was like a translator all week.
2013-07-30 03:15:57 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?


No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.
2013-07-30 03:14:01 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.


I'm not sure Satanists are rational, but maybe they have some common sense.  I'd point out though, that Satanists and Pagans have about as much in common as.... well they have almost nothing in common.

/pretty sure you know that
//still feel its required to say it
///the dumb, it's everywhere.
2013-07-30 03:09:17 PM  
1 vote:

QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?


(You do know that there are exactly zero Jews in Pike County.)
2013-07-30 03:06:26 PM  
1 vote:

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


I support teaching all political and economic systems, or at least a basic version, in high school so that you don't have derpers screaming that things are communistic when communisim is an economic theory.
2013-07-30 02:33:45 PM  
1 vote:
I went to high school in Lexington.  (The same school as Jim Varney.)
I don't remember any bullshiat creationism in SCIENCE! class back in the 70s except the Bio teacher did state something about "we all know about the biblical creation, well here's what science says about the origin of man".
Or something like that.

The only other so-called religion in our school was one of my Geometry teachers was a full fledged Pentacostal minister.  He always kept religion out of the class except maybe when we had a short class which ended up in a discussion about this or that.  And religion was never his first choice of topic.  He'd rather talk about dumb old math stuff.
2013-07-30 02:32:41 PM  
1 vote:

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


I like that, but I feel that we need to tweak it just a little bit. Obviously not everybody in Kentucky is a mouth-breathing imbecile. Not even every Christian in Kentucky is this stupid, so it's unfair to kill them just because their neighbors are polluting the gene pool.

It's simple, really. Stage a HUGE event at the Creation Museum, free hillbilly day, something like that. When the place is packed to capacity and beyond, drop a very small tactical nuke, only big enough to wipe out the building and everyone inside, but leave the state largely intact...
2013-07-30 02:27:24 PM  
1 vote:
ts4.mm.bing.net
2013-07-30 02:24:15 PM  
1 vote:
From the Slideshow at the bottom:

Arizona
In April, Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed legislation requiring the state Board of Education to design a high school elective course for public and charter school students titled "The Bible and its influence on Western Culture," which would include lessons on the history, literature and influence of the Old and New testaments on laws, government and culture, among other aspects of society.

Well, I'll be damned, Jan Brewer did something that makes sense? It's an elective, and it's designed to study the Bible's cultural influence on today's society? Cool, that's exactly the kind of religion class a lot of people here are fine with. I'm sure they'll try and inject religious indoctrination, but they may be in for a surprise when they get students interested in religion, but not interested in being beat over the head with it.

I guess Brewer was bound to get something right eventually, blind squirrel, broken clock, all that...
2013-07-30 02:11:42 PM  
1 vote:

wolfpaq777: FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states

Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.


So what conclusion did he come to that you are criticizing? Because all I see is a simple data point. Can one infer something from that? Of course, but he didn't, therefore your post was out of order.

Out of order, I say!
2013-07-30 02:06:39 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?


God's a lazy copy-paster.
2013-07-30 02:06:37 PM  
1 vote:

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If Americans are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?
2013-07-30 01:56:15 PM  
1 vote:

hiker9999: 20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.


MadHatter500: Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.


1800's = 19th Century, so I don't think the 20th Century is too great a leap. But I'm willing to accept smaller steps in the name of the P-word that conservatives hate so passionately/irrationally.
2013-07-30 01:53:04 PM  
1 vote:
Dear religious extremists,

Shut the fark up. You're making humanity look bad. It's shiat like this that make the aliens fly right by our rock.

Sincerely,
  Humanity
2013-07-30 01:51:30 PM  
1 vote:

dustygrimp: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.


actually, that is a fair question. technology and money keep alive those creatures which would have perished in the wild. creatures such as snooki, paris hilton and amanda bynes.
2013-07-30 01:51:03 PM  
1 vote:

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.



Darwin works in mysterious ways.
2013-07-30 01:50:38 PM  
1 vote:
Dr Dreidel:
The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

I think that's part of the joke.
2013-07-30 01:47:34 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


25.media.tumblr.com

I used to respect you, man :C
2013-07-30 01:30:58 PM  
1 vote:
Dr Dreidel:
The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women

images2.wikia.nocookie.net 

FlashHarry:
No Such Agency: FloydA:
But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
do people still seriously ask this question?


Usually not in as many words.  It's truly the cheapest of cheap creationist talking points.
2013-07-30 01:29:47 PM  
1 vote:

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.
Real men drink Scotch.
/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


I also drink (good, single-malt, old enough to vote) Scotch, so please point those hipster buggers at sloe gin, ouzo, absinthe, Bartles & Jaymes, Zima, Boones Hill, and vermouth. Tell them it's ironically retro, or something, like PBR.
2013-07-30 01:28:31 PM  
1 vote:

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.

Real men drink Scotch.

/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


It is unlikely there will ever be a shortage of Bourbon in the Southern US.

If you don't live in the Southern US, I feel bad for you, son. Enjoy your $150 bottles of Yamazaki and so on.
2013-07-30 01:21:04 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


Yes,  the original Jewish Masoretic Isaiah uses the Hebrew "almah" (which just means young woman),but virgin birth and immaculate conception are two different things.

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."
2013-07-30 01:15:59 PM  
1 vote:

FloydA: Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.


demaL-demaL-yeH: Aaaaaaaand farkied with satire tag.


i.imgur.com
2013-07-30 01:13:40 PM  
1 vote:
Well, at least they aren't arming them, so that's nice.

Clarksville, Arkansas School District Opts For Armed Teachers, Staff


State officials are not blocking Clarksville's plan, but Arkansas Education Commissioner Tom Kimbrell is opposed to the idea of arming teachers and staff. He prefers to hire law enforcement officers as school resource officers.

Yeah, my bosses bosses boss doesn't have his head up his ass.
2013-07-30 01:11:59 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.



Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.
2013-07-30 01:11:31 PM  
1 vote:

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


I've been formulating what I call "ciberido's 8th law", "There is a xkcd for any situation." but I may have to either expand it or create a 9th law for PBF and Cyanide and Happiness.
2013-07-30 01:09:01 PM  
1 vote:

dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)


I actually heard some minister (of-effing-course it's Southern Baptist) say that all Catholics are going to hell. Then again, I imagine their 'hell' is a lot like Catholic heaven in 'The Simpsons'. Non-stop partying with Latinos, Italians, the Irish, a lot of central Europeans, and quite a few people from the Far East.
2013-07-30 01:08:41 PM  
1 vote:

SordidEuphemism: I really want to score this, but I can't help feeling that this may be a genuine sentiment. If it is, then Mr. Poe was a prophet.


i was torn. i ended up siding with true belief rather than trolling. if it's trolling, though - it's a 10/10.
2013-07-30 01:07:06 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.


My favorite part of the Noah ark story is the first thing Noah does after God's "Kill 'em All!" flood is kill some animals for God.

/Natural selection, biatches!
2013-07-30 01:05:39 PM  
1 vote:

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?


Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


It really is more like a closed head trauma, isn't it?

"social competence issues, depression, personality changes, cognitive disabilities,psychiatric disturbances. panic disorder, anxiety disorder, phobias. decreased self-esteem, depression and higher levels of unemployment."

Excellent point
2013-07-30 01:04:48 PM  
1 vote:
I think we need to institute a hefty tax on the use of the word "elite".  That way, we make the teahadists AND every empty-headed commentator at ESPN pay off the national debt in about three months.
2013-07-30 01:03:59 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?


This attitude is at the core of what fundamentalists believe. Atheists, and people of different beliefs, are that way because they have either been tricked and mislead by Satan or his agents, or actively "hate" them and their Church/God.

Any attempt to counter their demands, thus, is a personal attack on them based on hatred of either their religion or their God.
2013-07-30 01:03:34 PM  
1 vote:

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Umm....Fark.com?
2013-07-30 01:02:18 PM  
1 vote:

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Ye gods, no.  That's just trapping the brighter ones, who are desperately trying to escape the black hole o' derp.  It'd do nothing at all to inconvenience the ones who keep pushing this garbage.
2013-07-30 01:01:53 PM  
1 vote:
I would have thought this would have ended back in 1925 with the Scopes trial.

I am endlessly surprised by the resiliency of ignorance.
2013-07-30 01:01:50 PM  
1 vote:

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.
2013-07-30 01:01:39 PM  
1 vote:

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?

Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


I don't know about that. It does run in families.

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


Yes. Propoaganda means "empirically-confirmed theory".
/Suspects that ba'al shemtov is either a garden-variety English antisemite or Sascha.
2013-07-30 01:00:45 PM  
1 vote:
Meh - this guy can't even use the English language on his own website. Fark him. HipsterXian doofus.

http://www.biblesmack.net/about-matt/my-beliefs-freedom-baptist-churc h -confession-of-faith-3rd-edit/
2013-07-30 01:00:15 PM  
1 vote:
OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?
2013-07-30 01:00:11 PM  
1 vote:
Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"
No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.

Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.
2013-07-30 12:56:46 PM  
1 vote:

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Now it's all I can think of... A drunken 3-way with Ashley and Jen.
2013-07-30 12:55:06 PM  
1 vote:
I like how suddenly teaching climate change science is anti-religious, for some reason.
2013-07-30 12:54:42 PM  
1 vote:

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


s3.amazonaws.com

well, it's not 100 percent!
2013-07-30 12:54:26 PM  
1 vote:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?



Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.
2013-07-30 12:53:54 PM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: Wasteland:
None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.


It's only going to get worse from here.  With Obama in office, they have a handy boogeyman to explain why coal has been taking a beating.  Once that's gone, and they have to face the idea that natural gas is going to beat coal hands down in the energy business for the forseeable future...  I'm not sure what will happen.  I've seen a few pro-coal friends gently guided to that conclusion, and the reaction could best be summed up as "quiet despair."

Moving out of eastern Kentucky is a trial for most of the people who try it, and one that usually has to be done in several steps.  There's nothing quite like trying to move uphill on the cost of living gradient when you were barely making it in the poorer counties to begin with; and if even one thing goes wrong along the way, you're back where you started and poorer than before.  It breaks a lot of people.

But the region's economy is barely sustainable as it is, and trending downward.  I cringe a little when I think what some of those towns will look like in 10 or 15 years.  But I also wonder if it isn't ultimately what's necessary.  Those who have little, cling.  Those who have nothing are often the ones willing to make changes.
2013-07-30 12:52:12 PM  
1 vote:
When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists? A positive result gets you a free and mandatory RU486.


Ok, which one of you Farkers is over there in the comments?
2013-07-30 12:47:31 PM  
1 vote:

ciberido: "Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.


I know Genesis has a lot of oaths being made by "placing [one's] hand under [the other's] thigh", which I've heard is a "you jerk me off and the deal's done", but I can only recall a single instance of "penis" in the OT - if two men fight and one's wife breaks it up by grabbing a man's "secret place". The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women, the sex act is "approaching" (also the Biblical "knowing").

I would like to know more about this mistranslation.

Skraeling: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.

I have a hard science b.s. and 5 years experience... does that count?


Depends. What do you want to talk about?

// I dunno...sciencey stuff I guess
2013-07-30 12:46:05 PM  
1 vote:

phalamir: An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job


a turban'd hindoo! surely not
2013-07-30 12:45:01 PM  
1 vote:

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


Whoops.

You done farked up now.
2013-07-30 12:44:12 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.

Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.


Sometimes you have to cull the herd. Let them remove themselves from society and the issue will take care of itself.
2013-07-30 12:43:57 PM  
1 vote:

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


You know who else besides humans evolved from monkeys?

Modern monkeys.
2013-07-30 12:43:38 PM  
1 vote:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.
2013-07-30 12:43:10 PM  
1 vote:
Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?
2013-07-30 12:42:32 PM  
1 vote:

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


King James' translators were functional retards even by the standards of 1600s England (which, considering the drivel coming out of 1600s England is saying something).  An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job
2013-07-30 12:42:14 PM  
1 vote:
FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
2013-07-30 12:40:20 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


"Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.
2013-07-30 12:39:26 PM  
1 vote:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.
2013-07-30 12:38:40 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


Are you trying to say that translations of the bible may not be perfect?

That's get you killed in these parts.
2013-07-30 12:38:35 PM  
1 vote:

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.
2013-07-30 12:37:54 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


data.whicdn.com
The tanks are ready to go, sir.  Just give the word.
2013-07-30 12:37:25 PM  
1 vote:
mooseyfate:

I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

TYVM!  I can't stay long - loads of grading to finish, and the roofers are here, pounding away, but I'll check in as often as I can.


Weaver95:
It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.

Yep.  I've met one or two "fundamentalist" Gardnerians, but they tend to get dismayed and wander off when I point out that Scire actually made up most of their religion in the 1940s, and the rest he borrowed from the Rosicrucians, HOGD, and cribbed notes out of Murray's "Witch-cult" and "God of the Witches."

Most of the Wiccans I've known laugh at them.

I've known a few pagans who aren't too big on science in general, but I've never met one that has a problem with evolution in particular.
2013-07-30 12:37:16 PM  
1 vote:
Unfortunate, we do allow people to worship a god.
When in actuality, it's a sign of mental illness.

Farkin' Theotards.
2013-07-30 12:37:00 PM  
1 vote:

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


That relies on the people in Kentucky actually following/reading religious teachings of the church but it seems the majority rely on the spoken word of the local priest/pastor who may be espousing a separate agenda. Readin is fur the edakated elitists.
2013-07-30 12:36:54 PM  
1 vote:

kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.


Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.
2013-07-30 12:36:04 PM  
1 vote:

IlGreven: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.

Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.


And on matters of paleontology, his words would carry some weight. That he's a minister fails to move the needle in that case - that was my point.

// I'd like to think that their science background would make them immune to "god did it"-ology, but a PhD isn't inoculation against bad hypotheses or bad research
// I'd listen, but I might not agree - at least I'd know he was learned in the subject beyond what the Bible/theology says
2013-07-30 12:34:26 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.
2013-07-30 12:34:00 PM  
1 vote:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


Well, duh, how ELSE would you make someone's dust fat than with fatness?  Derp.
2013-07-30 12:33:33 PM  
1 vote:

QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.


Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.
2013-07-30 12:33:22 PM  
1 vote:

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


The giant "College Humor" watermark on that image makes me a sad panda. What, was EBAUMSWORLD already taken?
2013-07-30 12:31:41 PM  
1 vote:
Wasteland:

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.
2013-07-30 12:29:46 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


From a verse in either Jeremiah or Isaiah: "And behold, a [young woman] shall conceive" when talking about the mother of the guy who would "redeem" Israel. Of course, that's talking about who would end the first Diaspora (the multidecade exile between the first sacking of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Second Temple), not who would be the eternal savior of mankind, but whatevs.

Oh, and also, the word used is "almah" or "עַלְמָה", which in Hebrew simply means "young woman". "Virgin" to the Old Testament, is "bethlah" in many other places (sorry, can't type in Hebrew and didn't want to search directly for "virgin in Hebrew" on my work computer).

There are, as I understand, a few other "massagings" of terms to make Jesus seem like the plan all along, but much of that is mistranslation, interpretation and flat-out retconning.

// not like the OT is totally perfect, but there's really no need to further muddy the ecclesiastical waters
2013-07-30 12:29:16 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Well of course they do, they have an atheist Pope.


At least their pope is only atheist.  OUR pope is a Kenyan muslatheist fasocialist!
2013-07-30 12:27:08 PM  
1 vote:

FarkinHostile: FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?

When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?


That would technically be a form of Lamarckian "evolution" through use and disuse, so it doesn't count.

(It does, however, make Baby August Weismann cry, if that helps any.)
2013-07-30 12:26:22 PM  
1 vote:

FloydA: Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.

Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.


It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.
2013-07-30 12:25:14 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Words like "elitist," "fascist" and "socialist" are just highfalutin synonyms for "bad" in some people's vocabularies.
2013-07-30 12:24:07 PM  
1 vote:

FloydA: Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?


I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

/that sound you hear, while it resembles the gnashing of Christian Teeth, is actually the sound of an old world machine finally slowing to a full stop
//religion takes a backseat to science
///bout farking time...
2013-07-30 12:23:26 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.


Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM  
1 vote:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.

If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.


Read "Tempting Faith" it is all about how GOP works to fool Christians into thinking their platform is what God wants.
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.
2013-07-30 12:20:32 PM  
1 vote:

FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?


When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?
2013-07-30 12:20:29 PM  
1 vote:
static.tvtropes.org
The correct term is Commie-Nazis
2013-07-30 12:19:34 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".
2013-07-30 12:16:18 PM  
1 vote:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


There's a PBF for everything!
0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
2013-07-30 12:15:34 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


There was one Bible from (I think) the 17th century which left out the "not" in "Thou shalt not commit adultery."  Epic hilarity ensued.

Ah, here it is:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible
2013-07-30 12:15:32 PM  
1 vote:
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks"

Huh, so if that is genocide and murder, what's this?

upload.wikimedia.org

a "misunderstanding"?

/fark off
2013-07-30 12:14:00 PM  
1 vote:
Remember Kentuckians:
When God gets slighted
you get smited.
2013-07-30 12:13:26 PM  
1 vote:
Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.
2013-07-30 12:11:42 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.


I'm not saying you can't find silly pagans...but you don't generally see pagans flipping out about evolution being a major sin.
rpm
2013-07-30 12:10:22 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Privatize profits, socialize losses.

Can you think of any government that embodies that ideal?
2013-07-30 12:10:18 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?


At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.
2013-07-30 12:08:26 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.


Whoa, careful there, Mr. Jewish Smartypants... we're talking about the BIBLE here!  No need to mix all this Jewish-y stuff into the conversation about JESUS.  Completely different topic!

/end sarcasm
2013-07-30 12:06:51 PM  
1 vote:
While supporters feel the standards will help beat back scientific ignorance, some religious groups take issue because the standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.

In other words, the supporters are shown to be correct on this topic and the topic of evolutionary theory.
2013-07-30 12:06:16 PM  
1 vote:

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


The irony being that, for once in their miserable existences, they will have been right about something.

I think I can live with it.
2013-07-30 12:06:15 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.


As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.
2013-07-30 11:54:42 AM  
1 vote:
I bet most of the top 10 meth states are red states too
2013-07-30 11:45:49 AM  
1 vote:
Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.
2013-07-30 11:40:44 AM  
1 vote:

factoryconnection: Ultimately this is the root of the problem. It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.


This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.
2013-07-30 11:40:32 AM  
1 vote:

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.



Emotional investment.  It's why otherwise reasonably intelligent individuals spew herp-a-derp.  Same reason for dumb individuals but one doesn't often fascinate at *their* stupidity.
2013-07-30 11:35:16 AM  
1 vote:
2013-07-30 10:51:29 AM  
1 vote:
Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,
2013-07-30 10:41:12 AM  
1 vote:

Aarontology: factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Most Protestants support teaching evolution in schools as well.  Overall about 77% of Christian churches (Protestant, Catholic, assorted other flavors) accept the theory of evolution and schools teaching it.
2013-07-30 10:24:49 AM  
1 vote:

kronicfeld: Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


I feel like "is this from The Onion?" is the new Poe's Law.
2013-07-30 09:29:49 AM  
1 vote:
Even in red states the majority of people are actually pretty reasonable. Unfortunately they don't speak out enough and nut jobs like the ones in TFA are all too eager to "get involved".
2013-07-30 09:18:27 AM  
1 vote:
So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?
2013-07-30 09:13:34 AM  
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Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.
 
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