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2013-07-30 05:11:31 PM  

Lando Lincoln: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?

God's a lazy copy-paster.


You dirty heretic.  It's clearly written in Ecclesiastes that God only uses CUT and paste.
 
2013-07-30 05:18:32 PM  

Latinwolf: The Bible preaches against knowledge.  In the very first book of the Bible, the moral of the Adam and Eve story is that having knowledge was a sin.


What is "dogma from  christian mythology that has nothing to do with the Hebrew text," Alex?

/Dreidel, I'm punting it.
//You can slap it around.
 
2013-07-30 05:39:10 PM  

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for


You've answered your own question. Reproductive success. That's it.
 
2013-07-30 06:06:45 PM  

FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL


Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!
 
2013-07-30 06:24:45 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!



You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.
 
2013-07-30 06:26:20 PM  
That's some comedy gold, there.

we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God

It says a lot about you that you consider an education to be the bane of religion.

We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks

You've got to be some kind of farked up twisted idiot to think that 'Kids going to school will be educated to the best of our abilities'  is the exact same thing as "we're going to murder you".

Sadly, that's about what I expect out of religious people these days.
 
2013-07-30 06:49:25 PM  

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Universities don't care about diplomas. They care about SAT/ACT scores, transcripts, and tuition checks.
 
2013-07-30 06:59:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


You ate a lot of paint chips when you were a kid, didn't you?
 
2013-07-30 07:53:06 PM  
Facts in schools, faith in churches.  If you have a problem with that arrangement you either have too little confidence in your facts for not enough faith in your church, either way that's your problem.
 
2013-07-30 08:02:00 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister,


www.biblesmack.net

"Matt is a graduate of Boyce College at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Kentucky, with a degree in interdisciplinary studies. He also holds a Masters degree from Campbellsville University in Theology.

Matt is an author, preacher, radio talk show host, and is also actively involved in politics.

Matt resides in Southwest Louisville, KY."

/Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist
 
2013-07-30 08:07:04 PM  

caddisfly: /Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist


A masters degree is studying about invisible people.

When are we going to have masters degrees in fairies and Harry Potter?
 
2013-07-30 08:22:53 PM  

caddisfly: /Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist


in Theology.
I can see how that qualifies him to evaluate science education.
(The undergrad is even more horrific.)
And here is the course description for the single biological science class they offer:

SC 111 principles of biology and lab    4 hours

An overview of life science. Content of the course includes a study of living organisms as relates to origins, cellular physiology, genetics and ecology. One hour lab included.

Care to guess whether they teach real biology?
/You know they don't.
 
2013-07-30 08:24:20 PM  

lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.


His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.
 
2013-07-30 08:29:18 PM  

caddisfly: lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.

His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.


About that:
Bachelor of Science in Biblical Studies
Church Ministry (with a concentration in either Christian Leadership, Children's Ministry or Women's Studies)
Counseling
Missions
Music
Ministry Major (This degree program is closed to new enrollments)
Worship and Pastoral Studies
Worship and Music Studies
Youth Ministry

Bachelor of Science
Elementary Education (P-5) - this, by the way is the only program that requires a "biology" course
Humanities

/So, absolutely not science.
 
2013-07-30 09:03:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: caddisfly: lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.

His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.

About that:
Bachelor of Science in Biblical Studies
Church Ministry (with a concentration in either Christian Leadership, Children's Ministry or Women's Studies)
Counseling
Missions
Music
Ministry Major (This degree program is closed to new enrollments)
Worship and Pastoral Studies
Worship and Music Studies
Youth Ministry

Bachelor of Science
Elementary Education (P-5) - this, by the way is the only program that requires a "biology" course
Humanities

/So, absolutely not science.



Wat
 
2013-07-30 09:22:20 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: Wat


I fark you not.
And they really do have only the one class in biology - for their elementary ed program.
The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.

It's my recurring proselytizer-won't-leave-me-and-mine-the-fark-alone nightmare, only without the Mormons.
 
2013-07-30 09:24:09 PM  
lohphat:

[Red State Socialism" image]

Before someone points out that that data is from 2005, here's a chart I mocked up based on 2007-2009 data:

farm4.staticflickr.com

And, before anyone mocks the links because they are The Daily Beast: I did so for the articles. The Daily Beast got their information from "2007 through 2009 data from the U.S. Census Bureau's Consolidated Federal Funds Report and data from the Internal Revenue Service".
 
2013-07-30 09:39:14 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: lohphat:

[Red State Socialism" image]

Before someone points out that that data is from 2005, here's a chart I mocked up based on 2007-2009 data:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x467]

And, before anyone mocks the links because they are The Daily Beast: I did so for the articles. The Daily Beast got their information from "2007 through 2009 data from the U.S. Census Bureau's Consolidated Federal Funds Report and data from the Internal Revenue Service".


somebody really needs to come up with a better format than jpg for sharing copypasta on forums.  It's 2013.  That text should be linkable.
 
2013-07-30 10:14:58 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.


Accredited by a farce governing body.

Next up: Chiropractic and acupuncture as scientifically accredited medical disciplines.

WAT!?

The BAcC's register has been accredited under a new scheme set up by the Department of Health and administered by an independent body which is accountable to Parliament.

the Council is responsible for all matters pertaining to the accreditation status of Doctor of Chiropractic Programs (DCPs), institutions housing DCPs, or solitary purpose chiropractic institutions.

Idiocracy was not intended to be a working plan.

JFC, can we just START CIVILIZATION OVER? The stupid, it burns.
 
2013-07-31 12:04:48 AM  
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

www.inquisition-art.net

No, that's how religion works.
 
2013-07-31 12:07:05 AM  

mike_d85: ciberido:

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."

Where are you seeing an actual claim of heritage?  I know in the telling of his birth he was relocated for the census to Nazareth because Joseph was "of the house of David," but I don't recall any blood claim anywhere.



The claim is that Jesus is "of the house of David," which makes him Joseph's son, because Joseph was "of the house of David"  and Mary wasn't.   I'm not saying the Bible states that Jesus was Joseph's biological son per se, but I am saying that there are passages which suggest/imply it (such as Matthew 1:2-16), enough so that one has to account for them somehow.  Clearly Jesus being "of the House of David" comes from Joseph.

As for where it is said that Jesus was of the House of David and why it matters, that's Romans 1:1-3.

There's also the fact that when Mary and Joseph lose track of Jesus and find him in the temple, which Jesus then calls "my father's house," they are confused, which goes against the modern/revisionist notions that (A) Mary and Joseph fully understood that Jesus was divinely conceived and (B) Joseph did not see himself as being Jesus' father.
 
2013-07-31 12:11:15 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?


If God made dust from light, why is there still light?
 
2013-07-31 12:14:41 AM  

FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL


"FlashHarry, have we got derpsign?"

"ciberido, we have derpsign the likes of which even God has never seen!"
 
2013-07-31 01:52:45 AM  

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.
 
2013-07-31 01:58:51 AM  

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.



Ah, another one. Stay off the board of education please? I don't want my children exposed to your warped thinking,
 
2013-07-31 02:19:25 AM  

Deathfrogg: Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


Ah, another one. Stay off the board of education please? I don't want my children exposed to your warped thinking,


So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat. We get it, you don't know what Evolution is...you wrongfully think it is a FACT because frankly...it is just too complex for your mind to understand.

 
What is REALLY sad, is that people who 'claim' to be 'scientists' and have 'superior intelligence' don't know the difference between Genetics (a fact based science), and Evolution... (a theory that Darwin himself had serious doubts about due to, as he (Darwin) put it "unresolvable problems").

 
I have no issues with genetics being taught in schools as fact (or any science based in facts...geology, physics, botany, etc.) ...as they are all indeed well-established sciences. I do however take a MAJOR issue with Evolution be taught as FACT. It is, at BEST, a theory (and a piss poor one that is riddled with holes at that), if you think that Evolution IS a fact....you are clueless.
 
2013-07-31 02:22:02 AM  
@ Divinegrace:

Ah, another religious psychopath.

How utterly unsurprising.
 
2013-07-31 02:25:34 AM  

Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

Ah, another religious psychopath.

How utterly unsurprising.


You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.
 
2013-07-31 02:27:10 AM  

Divinegrace:

You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.


Lol.
 
2013-07-31 02:49:14 AM  

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


Oddly enough I had you farkied as "stupid" even before this thread began.  No idea why.
 
2013-07-31 02:53:16 AM  

Deathfrogg: Divinegrace:

You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.

Lol.



I see you have evidence of the evolution of a species then....care to share it with the rest of the class?

What is that you say...out of the 8+ million difference species on the earth....not one of them has ever 'evolved' into a new species....in the entire history of science? I am shocked, SHOCKED to find this out. /rollseyes.
 
2013-07-31 03:25:39 AM  
@ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.
 
2013-07-31 03:26:53 AM  

Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.

 
2013-07-31 03:55:09 AM  

Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.


What's worse?

People like that vote.
 
2013-07-31 04:37:10 AM  

lohphat: Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.

What's worse?

People like that vote.


"Natural Selection almost inevitably causes much Extinction of the less improved forms of life and induces what I have called Divergence of Character."

Charles Darwin.

If Darwin was right, your ilk (you know....the 'less improved') will be taken care of in short order. Unfortunely for the majority of the world....Darwin was (and is) wrong. (You are after all still here afterall..right)
 
2013-07-31 04:55:30 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.


I meant to say, DHF is the one who dismisses evidence. See for example: http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988317" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988 317  where NAME provides a citation, only for DHF to lie about what the reference said, because it goes against his political belief in climatist alarmism.
 
2013-07-31 05:02:06 AM  
Evolution vs creationsim is hilarious, because reality trolls both sides:

IF you believe in evolution, THEN you must accept that religious people are better adapted than atheists because they (a) stick together and (b) are willing to murder those who do not share their beliefs. This means in the long run they will overrun the atheists.

OTOH, IF you are religious, THEN you have to look at all the evil that religion has done in the world, and remember that to ignore history is willful ignorance (a sin) and good will eventually prevail, you have to accept that religions will one day be be overrun by the atheists.

OH DEAR!!

Actually, there is a simple route out of this contradiction, and when you figure it out, you understand how contemporary society *really* works.
 
2013-07-31 09:33:22 AM  

JuggleGeek: You've got to be some kind of farked up twisted idiot to think that 'Kids going to school will be educated to the best of our abilities' is the exact same thing as "we're going to murder you".


They believe that a lack of faith in the bible will lead to an excess of all sins. That somehow the only thing keeping people from being raving murderous monsters is faith/fear of god. Personally, I'd never want to be anywhere near anyone who actually felt that way.
 
2013-07-31 09:38:19 AM  

Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human.


Humans are apes, so yes. I have seen that.
 
2013-07-31 10:02:08 AM  

Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.


do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.
 
2013-07-31 10:07:57 AM  

Ehcks: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human.

Humans are apes, so yes. I have seen that.


not just apes - great apes!
 
2013-07-31 10:22:57 AM  

FlashHarry: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.

do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.


Forget it. He's from Kansas City. Where you move into a new neighborhood, and the local ministers come around asking why you aren't going to church, and then report to your neighbors that you might be an Atheist or a Jew.
 
2013-07-31 11:07:31 AM  

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


First, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was born without Original Sin. You are referring to the virgin birth and you are correct, the Hebrew word "alma" means "young woman" with no connotation of virginity, and the Greek word "parthenos" has a range of meanings from including "young woman" and "virgin".
 
2013-07-31 11:08:31 AM  

FlashHarry: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.

do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.


Don't waste your time.

The airlines gave us non-stop flights to fly over these medieval rubes. Fark gave us the ignore button. Use it.
 
2013-07-31 11:09:13 AM  

ukexpat: Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".

First, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was born without Original Sin. You are referring to the virgin birth and you are correct, the Hebrew word "alma" means "young woman" with no connotation of virginity, and the Greek word "parthenos" has a range of meanings from including "young woman" and "virgin".


And I see that this has already been covered...

/slinks back to the basement
 
2013-07-31 12:15:05 PM  

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.
 
2013-07-31 12:24:02 PM  

FloydA: Divinegrace: <stupidity deleted>

I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.


You'll never convince him.  According to Creationists like him, facts are what liberals and atheists use to deny the truth.
 
2013-07-31 12:29:58 PM  
NOT ONCE HAS A FISH EVER GIVEN BIRTH TO A POTATO

therefore your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-31 12:31:34 PM  

FloydA: Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.

I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.



Thanks for this, by the way.

The ability to easily link to your old arguments instead of endlessly restating them is one of the advantages to arguing on the internet. I invite Divinegrace to take advantage of another advantage - the ability to quickly and easily check out someone else's references.

/Old enough to remember arguing this sort of thing back when "checking references" would have meant several hours of going back and forth between the card catalog and the stacks in the local library.
 
2013-07-31 12:32:42 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: THE GREAT NAME: Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.

I meant to say, DHF is the one who dismisses evidence. See for example: http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988317" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988 317  where NAME provides a citation, only for DHF to lie about what the reference said, because it goes against his political belief in climatist alarmism.



Case in point.  Even if your perception was somehow right (it's not), it does not mean I'm wrong.
 
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