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2013-07-30 01:05:39 PM  

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?


Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


It really is more like a closed head trauma, isn't it?

"social competence issues, depression, personality changes, cognitive disabilities,psychiatric disturbances. panic disorder, anxiety disorder, phobias. decreased self-esteem, depression and higher levels of unemployment."

Excellent point
 
2013-07-30 01:06:08 PM  

born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?


No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.
 
2013-07-30 01:06:25 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.


Shut. Up,
/More for us.
 
2013-07-30 01:07:06 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.


My favorite part of the Noah ark story is the first thing Noah does after God's "Kill 'em All!" flood is kill some animals for God.

/Natural selection, biatches!
 
2013-07-30 01:08:41 PM  

SordidEuphemism: I really want to score this, but I can't help feeling that this may be a genuine sentiment. If it is, then Mr. Poe was a prophet.


i was torn. i ended up siding with true belief rather than trolling. if it's trolling, though - it's a 10/10.
 
2013-07-30 01:08:49 PM  
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2013-07-30 01:09:01 PM  

dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)


I actually heard some minister (of-effing-course it's Southern Baptist) say that all Catholics are going to hell. Then again, I imagine their 'hell' is a lot like Catholic heaven in 'The Simpsons'. Non-stop partying with Latinos, Italians, the Irish, a lot of central Europeans, and quite a few people from the Far East.
 
2013-07-30 01:09:30 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.


All inferior to Jack Daniels.
 
2013-07-30 01:10:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


Aaaaaaaand farkied with satire tag.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:15 PM  

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Some folk'll never go to school, but then again some folk'll...
 
2013-07-30 01:11:22 PM  

urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.


that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....
 
2013-07-30 01:11:31 PM  

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


I've been formulating what I call "ciberido's 8th law", "There is a xkcd for any situation." but I may have to either expand it or create a 9th law for PBF and Cyanide and Happiness.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:38 PM  

Quick Fixer: Rwa2play: Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.

Because they have 1/50th of the voting power in the US Senate and 6/435ths of the voting power in the US House, part of the government controlling the world's largest standing military (and more-or-less underwriting a disturbingly large number of the economies on the planet).

Via the committee process in Congress, they furthermore have disproportionate power on matters of energy, education (!), science (!!), space and technology, transportation, infrastructure, the financial sector, and one of them (http://halrogers.house.gov/) serves as the chair of the committee to allocate money to address all of those other matters.

Wish it weren't true. It'd sure be a more convenient world where I could just ignore Kentucky.


Wouldn't say ignore, just make their vote less meaningful.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.



Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.
 
2013-07-30 01:12:27 PM  

Zik-Zak: dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)

I actually heard some minister (of-effing-course it's Southern Baptist) say that all Catholics are going to hell. Then again, I imagine their 'hell' is a lot like Catholic heaven in 'The Simpsons'. Non-stop partying with Latinos, Italians, the Irish, a lot of central Europeans, and quite a few people from the Far East.


Oh, it's fairly common knowledge in the baptist circles that catholics are not true christians and that they are going straight to hell because they "don't know the bible", "don't read the bible", etc.
 
2013-07-30 01:12:55 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.

that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....


God dammit, I'm a vegetable.
 
2013-07-30 01:13:40 PM  
Well, at least they aren't arming them, so that's nice.

Clarksville, Arkansas School District Opts For Armed Teachers, Staff


State officials are not blocking Clarksville's plan, but Arkansas Education Commissioner Tom Kimbrell is opposed to the idea of arming teachers and staff. He prefers to hire law enforcement officers as school resource officers.

Yeah, my bosses bosses boss doesn't have his head up his ass.
 
2013-07-30 01:14:41 PM  

kidgenius: No Such Agency: But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

Humans evolved from apes which are a different species. So that's why there are still monkeys.

Now, why are their still apes? Because not all ape evolution leads to humans. Some of the evolutionary paths lead to being more ape-like.


You're trying to make sense.
There's a time and place for that, but it's not here, and it's not in KY.
 
2013-07-30 01:14:55 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


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2013-07-30 01:15:59 PM  

FloydA: Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.


demaL-demaL-yeH: Aaaaaaaand farkied with satire tag.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-30 01:16:25 PM  

phalamir: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.

Man, have I got some Jesuits for you to meet


I'm not opposed to the idea, I just mean that if you want to start talking science, you better know a little bit about it first. Clergymen often learned science from other clergymen, and it may be a theologic science (men have 1 fewer rib, and all that), but an actually-learned science-person wearing a white collar may be the most interesting person in the room*. To me, anyway.

I like hearing how people square the religious circle with science. As someone who grew up in a religious household (very religious by today's standards) with a heavy focus on science (dad's got a Chem PhD), both the theology and the science and how the subject joins the two is interesting to me.

// *he doesn't always pick two fields at odds, but when he does, he fights on both sides of a thousands-of-years long war of ideas
// and sometimes, an actual killing-people war
 
2013-07-30 01:18:11 PM  

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


They're the ones who take advantage of ancient plants evolving into coal and oil.
 
2013-07-30 01:19:17 PM  

Dr Dreidel: vernonFL: Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious

Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.

Yes, but if the same word is translated in two different ways, and one of those ways is even more pants-on-head than "Joshua ordered the sun not to set, and the sun, being of sound mind and amazing body, complied", methinks the stupid translation should be ignored. Either that or you need some sort of reason for the divergent translations. Especially if the word is well understood as meaning the obvious and has been for centuries - hell, Google translate has it as "rams" (which I also thought it was, but at least both rams and young oxen are real things).

As a history book, I'd put the Bible up there with Dianetics or Dante's Inferno. As a philosophy book, it's not half bad. As a work of general historical/sociological importance, I'd say we should avoid capriciously mistranslating whatever the words are as much as possible. Let's not deliberately obscure whatever meaning there is to be found in the text by making it that much more inaccessible.


From Wikipedia:

The translators of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (1611) followed the Greek Septuagint (monokeros) and the Latin Vulgate (unicornis)[14] and employed unicorn to translate re'em, providing a recognizable animal that was proverbial for its un-tamable nature. The American Standard Version translates this term "wild ox" in each case.


The classical Jewish understanding of bible did not identify the Re'em animal as the unicorn. Instead, the Tahash animal (Exodus 25, 26, 35, 36 and 39; Numbers 4; and Ezekiel 16:10) was thought to be a kosher unicorn with a coat of many colors that only existed in biblical times.[citation needed]
 
2013-07-30 01:21:04 PM  

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


Yes,  the original Jewish Masoretic Isaiah uses the Hebrew "almah" (which just means young woman),but virgin birth and immaculate conception are two different things.

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."
 
2013-07-30 01:22:20 PM  

serial_crusher: Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.

Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.


25.media.tumblr.com

/I thought there was a unicorn in there somewhere, oh well, I've gone this far....
 
2013-07-30 01:23:12 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.


Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.

Real men drink Scotch.

/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.
 
2013-07-30 01:23:26 PM  

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


I don't think you RTFA. They aren't objecting to teaching about socialism and fascism (though they probably would object to anything other than "evil, see Democrats") they are claiming that teaching evolution and global warming is socialism, fascism, genocide, and murder.
 
2013-07-30 01:27:33 PM  
Why did I start hearing audio about a Rubic's Cube competition when I opened that page?

There was no obvious video playing, and the audio had nothing to do with the story in the article.
 
2013-07-30 01:28:31 PM  

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.

Real men drink Scotch.

/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


It is unlikely there will ever be a shortage of Bourbon in the Southern US.

If you don't live in the Southern US, I feel bad for you, son. Enjoy your $150 bottles of Yamazaki and so on.
 
2013-07-30 01:29:25 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: cowgirl toffee: Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.

*whistle*
*flag thrown*
Personal foul: Kentucky-bashing from Tennessee / pot-kettle division by zero. Fifteen yards and loss of down.


*Damn.
 
2013-07-30 01:29:47 PM  

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.
Real men drink Scotch.
/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


I also drink (good, single-malt, old enough to vote) Scotch, so please point those hipster buggers at sloe gin, ouzo, absinthe, Bartles & Jaymes, Zima, Boones Hill, and vermouth. Tell them it's ironically retro, or something, like PBR.
 
2013-07-30 01:30:58 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women

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FlashHarry:
No Such Agency: FloydA:
But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
do people still seriously ask this question?


Usually not in as many words.  It's truly the cheapest of cheap creationist talking points.
 
2013-07-30 01:36:23 PM  

Zik-Zak: Satan's Bunny Slippers: urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.

that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....

God dammit, I'm a vegetable.


I hear some people are fruits.

And there sure are a lot of nuts.
 
2013-07-30 01:43:06 PM  

Wasteland: lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.

Ye gods, no.  That's just trapping the brighter ones, who are desperately trying to escape the black hole o' derp.  It'd do nothing at all to inconvenience the ones who keep pushing this garbage.


Then the message would be for their parents to get out sooner to avoid total collapse.
 
2013-07-30 01:45:50 PM  

hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.


The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.

Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.
 
2013-07-30 01:46:32 PM  

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.
 
2013-07-30 01:47:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


25.media.tumblr.com

I used to respect you, man :C
 
2013-07-30 01:50:17 PM  

Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?


So you're claiming to speak for all atheists, when did you become their spokesperson?
 
2013-07-30 01:50:38 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

I think that's part of the joke.
 
2013-07-30 01:51:03 PM  

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.



Darwin works in mysterious ways.
 
2013-07-30 01:51:30 PM  

dustygrimp: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.


actually, that is a fair question. technology and money keep alive those creatures which would have perished in the wild. creatures such as snooki, paris hilton and amanda bynes.
 
2013-07-30 01:53:04 PM  
Dear religious extremists,

Shut the fark up. You're making humanity look bad. It's shiat like this that make the aliens fly right by our rock.

Sincerely,
  Humanity
 
2013-07-30 01:56:15 PM  

hiker9999: 20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.


MadHatter500: Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.


1800's = 19th Century, so I don't think the 20th Century is too great a leap. But I'm willing to accept smaller steps in the name of the P-word that conservatives hate so passionately/irrationally.
 
2013-07-30 01:56:54 PM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-30 01:58:50 PM  

White people evolved from black people.

There are still black people.



Mankind evolved dogs from wolves.

There are still wolves.



/You can't explain that/
 
2013-07-30 02:00:52 PM  

Wasteland: hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.

The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.

Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.


This is sad, but true. And what makes it sad, is that folks are essentially voting based on the idea that folks will reinforce their tribal markings. During the 2008 election, we saw "Real America" as a catch phrase. "Real America" wasn't those stuffed shirts in the East, you know, the birthplace of the nation, whose ancestors actually fought for the nation, whose original colonies were the underpinnings of this grand experiment of a Republic. Nope, the folks whose states had originally formed the Union, they were out of touch, what with their kooky adherence to law, their schools that are older than the nation, and all that folderol.

It boils down to fear. Fear of change, fear of progress, fear that they might actually being left behind, and fear that they might prefer that to what is going on in the world, because it's scary to think that tradition and what has "always" been, might actually be hurting you. Far easier to lash out, and insulate and pretend that your own fears are someone else's fault, and suppress that twinge that the folks who are patting you on the head for your support, might just be taking advantage of the situation, but that is less scary than change or questioning...
 
2013-07-30 02:03:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states


Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.
 
2013-07-30 02:06:37 PM  

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If Americans are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?
 
2013-07-30 02:06:39 PM  

born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?


God's a lazy copy-paster.
 
2013-07-30 02:08:06 PM  
So by Republican logic, anyone who makes less than them is lazy and anyone who makes more is an elitist. Does this mean they are open to the idea of communism?

/Rob Ford, is that you?
 
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