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2013-07-30 12:45:17 PM
Fine, if they want to force creationism in schools, evolution should be forced in churches.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:52 PM

d23: because basic research isn't important. Another idiotic meme currently popular.


I didn't say that, I said it's not realistic. Unless your parents are moneybags and mine sure as hell aren't.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:05 PM

phalamir: An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job


a turban'd hindoo! surely not
 
2013-07-30 12:46:18 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Because without them we'd be overrun with bananas.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:48 PM

The Third Man: FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

There was one Bible from (I think) the 17th century which left out the "not" in "Thou shalt not commit adultery."  Epic hilarity ensued.

Ah, here it is:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible


So you're saying that the translator plead  nolo?
/That's for you, Dreidel.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:50 PM

kronicfeld: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


No.

Keep in mind that those who are less intuitive often judge others by their own motives and methods. When you are talking about marginalization, genocide, murder and ostracism, you are going right to the heart of religion's tools for propagation of it's ignorance.
 
2013-07-30 12:47:02 PM
OKAY;
Evolution=good theory, probebly true
Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science
Socialism != Fascism ("National Socialism" was a misnomer event at the time)
HOWEVER both socialism and fascism produce totalitarianism and genocides, so EQAULLY BAD

I think that about covers it.
 
2013-07-30 12:47:31 PM

ciberido: "Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.


I know Genesis has a lot of oaths being made by "placing [one's] hand under [the other's] thigh", which I've heard is a "you jerk me off and the deal's done", but I can only recall a single instance of "penis" in the OT - if two men fight and one's wife breaks it up by grabbing a man's "secret place". The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women, the sex act is "approaching" (also the Biblical "knowing").

I would like to know more about this mistranslation.

Skraeling: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.

I have a hard science b.s. and 5 years experience... does that count?


Depends. What do you want to talk about?

// I dunno...sciencey stuff I guess
 
2013-07-30 12:47:54 PM
untaken_name: DDDDDDEEEEEEERRRPPPPPPPP


Listen, you have to do better, you have to make it at least SOUND like you believe what you're saying. D. Do it over again, get it right, I'll give you a B.
 
2013-07-30 12:48:47 PM
Holy crap! I think I found their logic.  Their logic is that the Kentucky school board are nazis:

-National Socialists are pretty fascist.
-They made huge advances in science and technology.
-They refused to teach Jewish Science and Kentucky is trying to strike down the old testament part (which is the Jewy bit).
-They participate in genocide.
-They believed in a master elite race.

/The only bit I can't work out is why the oppents are the ones doing book burnings....
 
2013-07-30 12:48:49 PM

serial_crusher: Not sure how accurate that is. Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.


Well, ask these crazy people:

John Shimkus
Rick Santorum
 
2013-07-30 12:49:11 PM

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


um, yes it can.

"As the huge array of drug resistant pathogens grows we are learning that evolution is easiest to observe in species with a quick generation turnover. Since 1988, in the lab of Richard Lenski, the evolution of twelve E. coli populations from a single ancestor strain has been studied. Since then, over 50,000 generations of E. coli have been and gone, and the differences between the populations and each population from the ancestor strain have been documented. With samples of each population taken regularly the accumulated genetic changes can be followed with ease. Over time the bacteria have become far more efficient at growing under the conditions used. This study has provided evidence of how evolution actually occurs. One of the populations developed the ability to utilize citrate as a nutrient, something otherwise unknown in E. coli under similar conditions."
 
2013-07-30 12:49:20 PM

untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.


They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.
 
2013-07-30 12:50:00 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Gotta have something to put in the monkey cages at the zoo.
 
2013-07-30 12:51:41 PM
ciberido:
"Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.

Yeah, people confuse them on my anatomy too.

/tell your freinds.
 
2013-07-30 12:52:12 PM
When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists? A positive result gets you a free and mandatory RU486.


Ok, which one of you Farkers is over there in the comments?
 
2013-07-30 12:52:51 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science


Really?
 
2013-07-30 12:53:29 PM

No Such Agency: But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Humans evolved from apes which are a different species. So that's why there are still monkeys.

Now, why are their still apes? Because not all ape evolution leads to humans. Some of the evolutionary paths lead to being more ape-like.
 
2013-07-30 12:53:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Wasteland:
None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.


It's only going to get worse from here.  With Obama in office, they have a handy boogeyman to explain why coal has been taking a beating.  Once that's gone, and they have to face the idea that natural gas is going to beat coal hands down in the energy business for the forseeable future...  I'm not sure what will happen.  I've seen a few pro-coal friends gently guided to that conclusion, and the reaction could best be summed up as "quiet despair."

Moving out of eastern Kentucky is a trial for most of the people who try it, and one that usually has to be done in several steps.  There's nothing quite like trying to move uphill on the cost of living gradient when you were barely making it in the poorer counties to begin with; and if even one thing goes wrong along the way, you're back where you started and poorer than before.  It breaks a lot of people.

But the region's economy is barely sustainable as it is, and trending downward.  I cringe a little when I think what some of those towns will look like in 10 or 15 years.  But I also wonder if it isn't ultimately what's necessary.  Those who have little, cling.  Those who have nothing are often the ones willing to make changes.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:10 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.

Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.


Evolution?
 
2013-07-30 12:54:26 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?



Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:30 PM
Will the headline be on the test?
 
2013-07-30 12:54:31 PM
Kentucky needs to stick to fried chicken and horse racing. Anything else is too much to expect of them.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:42 PM

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


s3.amazonaws.com

well, it's not 100 percent!
 
2013-07-30 12:55:06 PM
I like how suddenly teaching climate change science is anti-religious, for some reason.
 
2013-07-30 12:55:16 PM
Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.
 
2013-07-30 12:55:18 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Because you touch yourself at night? That's a much more fun answer than the whole "common ancestor" bit, so there.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:15 PM

Fireproof: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I have a handy iPhone app that lets me quickly get to Bible passages and even switch between translations easily. Both NLT and KJV have no mention of unicorns. No idea where he got that from.


You're using an adulterated bible, you heathen.

UNICORNS!

/you probably have the NKJV in your iPhone, which changes unicorns to oxen.
//but not the AKJV, which keeps it unicorns
 
2013-07-30 12:56:15 PM
Whenever somebody uses the word "folks" in a sentence you know you are going to listen to or read something really stupid.  So listen up folks, stop it.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:32 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


do people still seriously ask this question?
 
2013-07-30 12:56:46 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Now it's all I can think of... A drunken 3-way with Ashley and Jen.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:46 PM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


I know some and not a one make even 250000/yr so they aren't even middle class
 
2013-07-30 12:56:48 PM

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


Yes, it's true.
 
2013-07-30 12:57:42 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]

That's all I can think of.


Makers Mark? That's all Farkers drank back in 2005. Nary a post was posted without a pic of that bottle.
 
2013-07-30 12:58:14 PM

Chummer45: I like how suddenly teaching climate change science is anti-religious, for some reason.


i know; isn't that funny? it just shows the inextricable link between fundamentalist christianity and 21st century republican orthodoxy.
 
2013-07-30 12:59:56 PM

FlashHarry: gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 798x542]

well, it's not 100 percent!


Most climate sceptics (certainly, all the ones I read) would fall into the "agree" category in that graph. That's because they ask questions like "do you agree that human beings are emitting CO2" and "is CO2 a greenhouse gas" to which NAME and most sceptics would answer "yes".

The REAL question, of course, is whether the IPCC's drastic predictions of 5+ degrees warming have any basis in reality. That is where the real disagreement is. But your pi-chart (and I have examined the methodology) is not looking at that question.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:02 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


WTF AM I READING.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:11 PM
Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"
No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.

Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:15 PM
OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?
 
2013-07-30 01:00:45 PM
Meh - this guy can't even use the English language on his own website. Fark him. HipsterXian doofus.

http://www.biblesmack.net/about-matt/my-beliefs-freedom-baptist-churc h -confession-of-faith-3rd-edit/
 
2013-07-30 01:01:28 PM

untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.


I really want to score this, but I can't help feeling that this may be a genuine sentiment. If it is, then Mr. Poe was a prophet.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:39 PM

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?

Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


I don't know about that. It does run in families.

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


Yes. Propoaganda means "empirically-confirmed theory".
/Suspects that ba'al shemtov is either a garden-variety English antisemite or Sascha.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:50 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:53 PM
I would have thought this would have ended back in 1925 with the Scopes trial.

I am endlessly surprised by the resiliency of ignorance.
 
2013-07-30 01:02:10 PM

kidgenius: untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.

They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.


Observed speciation
More observed speciation
A few more examples (Wiki, so check the references)

And the articles that I have been reposting for nearly 20 years: Observed Instances of Speciation and  Some More Observed Speciation Events

What's sad is that those last two articles were published when some of the critics were still in diapers.  They have literally been on the internet for nearly a generation.  Anyone who still claims that we have never observed speciation is being willfully ignorant and deliberately choosing to not know what's going on around them.
 
2013-07-30 01:02:18 PM

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Ye gods, no.  That's just trapping the brighter ones, who are desperately trying to escape the black hole o' derp.  It'd do nothing at all to inconvenience the ones who keep pushing this garbage.
 
2013-07-30 01:03:34 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Umm....Fark.com?
 
2013-07-30 01:03:59 PM

Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?


This attitude is at the core of what fundamentalists believe. Atheists, and people of different beliefs, are that way because they have either been tricked and mislead by Satan or his agents, or actively "hate" them and their Church/God.

Any attempt to counter their demands, thus, is a personal attack on them based on hatred of either their religion or their God.
 
2013-07-30 01:04:48 PM
I think we need to institute a hefty tax on the use of the word "elite".  That way, we make the teahadists AND every empty-headed commentator at ESPN pay off the national debt in about three months.
 
2013-07-30 01:05:00 PM

cowgirl toffee: Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.


*whistle*
*flag thrown*
Personal foul: Kentucky-bashing from Tennessee / pot-kettle division by zero. Fifteen yards and loss of down.
 
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