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2013-07-30 12:27:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Keep in mind, Kentucky's part of the epicenter of the right's War on Coal rhetoric.  Anything environmental-policy related (with the exception of hunting and fishing) = job-killing green energy leftist EPA lies undercutting the Kentucky economy = godless socialists destroying our way of life.

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.
 
2013-07-30 12:29:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Well of course they do, they have an atheist Pope.


At least their pope is only atheist.  OUR pope is a Kenyan muslatheist fasocialist!
 
2013-07-30 12:29:46 PM

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


From a verse in either Jeremiah or Isaiah: "And behold, a [young woman] shall conceive" when talking about the mother of the guy who would "redeem" Israel. Of course, that's talking about who would end the first Diaspora (the multidecade exile between the first sacking of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Second Temple), not who would be the eternal savior of mankind, but whatevs.

Oh, and also, the word used is "almah" or "עַלְמָה", which in Hebrew simply means "young woman". "Virgin" to the Old Testament, is "bethlah" in many other places (sorry, can't type in Hebrew and didn't want to search directly for "virgin in Hebrew" on my work computer).

There are, as I understand, a few other "massagings" of terms to make Jesus seem like the plan all along, but much of that is mistranslation, interpretation and flat-out retconning.

// not like the OT is totally perfect, but there's really no need to further muddy the ecclesiastical waters
 
2013-07-30 12:30:43 PM

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.


Not sure how accurate that is.  Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.
I don't usually expect logical consistency out of that crowd, so you could still be correct, but I always thought global warming opposition was just good old fashioned secular antiscience.
 
2013-07-30 12:31:22 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 533x640]
Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?


I don't see "Jesus," "America," or "Wal-Mart" anywhere in all of that fancy smartguy science talk. So it's wrong. And you'd better admit you just made it up to make me feel stupid, or the magical man in the sky will set you on fire. Because he loves you.
 
2013-07-30 12:31:41 PM
Wasteland:

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:08 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


If god was bothered by this, wouldn't he do something?  I mean, besides kill more children in Africa.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:20 PM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


Giving up the academia dream and getting a realistic biostat job that pays something, that's where.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:46 PM

serial_crusher: Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.

Not sure how accurate that is.  Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.
I don't usually expect logical consistency out of that crowd, so you could still be correct, but I always thought global warming opposition was just good old fashioned secular antiscience.


Well, they don't want to believe it's human because there would be an issue. So they want to claim it's natural, that way they can hold to their belief that god will save em.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:48 PM

Serious Black: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."


Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?


It will cause their children to question their beliefs and possibly leave the church, so if you assume that these Christians are the only true Christians, that would be technically correct.

/the best kind of correct
 
2013-07-30 12:33:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".

From a verse in either Jeremiah or Isaiah: "And behold, a [young woman] shall conceive" when talking about the mother of the guy who would "redeem" Israel. Of course, that's talking about who would end the first Diaspora (the multidecade exile between the first sacking of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Second Temple), not who would be the eternal savior of mankind, but whatevs.

Oh, and also, the word used is "almah" or "עַלְמָה", which in Hebrew simply means "young woman". "Virgin" to the Old Testament, is "bethlah" in many other places (sorry, can't type in Hebrew and didn't want to search directly for "virgin in Hebrew" on my work computer).

There are, as I understand, a few other "massagings" of terms to make Jesus seem like the plan all along, but much of that is mistranslation, interpretation and flat-out retconning.

// not like the OT is totally perfect, but there's really no need to further muddy the ecclesiastical waters


Also, isn't the Immaculate Conception about Mary herself being conceived without Original Sin and not about getting knocked up by the big guy in the sky?
 
2013-07-30 12:33:22 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


The giant "College Humor" watermark on that image makes me a sad panda. What, was EBAUMSWORLD already taken?
 
2013-07-30 12:33:33 PM

QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.


Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:00 PM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


Well, duh, how ELSE would you make someone's dust fat than with fatness?  Derp.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:14 PM

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


Indeed... Teach the Controversy !
 
2013-07-30 12:34:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.
 
2013-07-30 12:35:11 PM
I would like to point out that I am fat with fatness, and have been for many years.
 
2013-07-30 12:35:20 PM

germ78: serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]

The giant "College Humor" watermark on that image makes me a sad panda. What, was EBAUMSWORLD already taken?


Yeah, I just picked out the first GIS result, noticed that after I posted it.  "Unicorn CollegeHumor.com" just doesn't look as well on a shirt as "Unicorn Power"
 
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2013-07-30 12:35:55 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.

Giving up the academia dream and getting a realistic biostat job that pays something, that's where.


because basic research isn't important.  Another idiotic meme currently popular.
 
2013-07-30 12:36:04 PM

IlGreven: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.

Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.


And on matters of paleontology, his words would carry some weight. That he's a minister fails to move the needle in that case - that was my point.

// I'd like to think that their science background would make them immune to "god did it"-ology, but a PhD isn't inoculation against bad hypotheses or bad research
// I'd listen, but I might not agree - at least I'd know he was learned in the subject beyond what the Bible/theology says
 
2013-07-30 12:36:54 PM

kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.


Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:00 PM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


That relies on the people in Kentucky actually following/reading religious teachings of the church but it seems the majority rely on the spoken word of the local priest/pastor who may be espousing a separate agenda. Readin is fur the edakated elitists.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:10 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"


Yeah they might want to lock this crazy ass guy up now before he starts blowing things up.

serial_crusher: Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us. Or something.


Technically he only promised not to destroy it in the same way again, hinting that all other kinds of destroying were still on the list.  I think it's implied next time he will do a better job at getting rid of us.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:16 PM
Unfortunate, we do allow people to worship a god.
When in actuality, it's a sign of mental illness.

Farkin' Theotards.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:22 PM
Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:25 PM
mooseyfate:

I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

TYVM!  I can't stay long - loads of grading to finish, and the roofers are here, pounding away, but I'll check in as often as I can.


Weaver95:
It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.

Yep.  I've met one or two "fundamentalist" Gardnerians, but they tend to get dismayed and wander off when I point out that Scire actually made up most of their religion in the 1940s, and the rest he borrowed from the Rosicrucians, HOGD, and cribbed notes out of Murray's "Witch-cult" and "God of the Witches."

Most of the Wiccans I've known laugh at them.

I've known a few pagans who aren't too big on science in general, but I've never met one that has a problem with evolution in particular.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:25 PM

Trivia Jockey: factoryconnection: Ultimately this is the root of the problem. It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.

This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.


And why the more fundamentalist religious types try every way they possibly can to put their beliefs in front of children.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:54 PM

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


data.whicdn.com
The tanks are ready to go, sir.  Just give the word.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:35 PM

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


Are you trying to say that translations of the bible may not be perfect?

That's get you killed in these parts.
 
2013-07-30 12:39:24 PM

Cortez the Killer: Also, isn't the Immaculate Conception about Mary herself being conceived without Original Sin and not about getting knocked up by the big guy in the sky?


Yes.  But you are expecting a Prottie to know something about religion, which is not very likely
 
2013-07-30 12:39:26 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:20 PM

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


"Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:39 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.


I have a hard science b.s. and 5 years experience... does that count?
 
2013-07-30 12:42:01 PM

FabulousFreep: Technically he only promised not to destroy it in the same way again, hinting that all other kinds of destroying were still on the list. I think it's implied next time he will do a better job at getting rid of us.


There's nothing quite like God's love.
 
2013-07-30 12:42:14 PM
FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
 
2013-07-30 12:42:32 PM

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


King James' translators were functional retards even by the standards of 1600s England (which, considering the drivel coming out of 1600s England is saying something).  An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job
 
2013-07-30 12:43:10 PM
Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?
 
2013-07-30 12:43:21 PM

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:24 PM
Does this get us any closer to repealing this piece of shiat?

/19-farking-90!
 
2013-07-30 12:43:38 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:43 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.


Man, have I got some Jesuits for you to meet
 
2013-07-30 12:43:48 PM

factoryconnection: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Hold on there, pal.  Kentucky provides the US with a vital resource: bourbon.  Sure, sure... it can technically be made anywhere, but as when God said he'd spare Sodom if he could find just 20 good folks, I think that bourbon alone is a raison d'etre for KY.



They make really awful tasting jelly though.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:57 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


You know who else besides humans evolved from monkeys?

Modern monkeys.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:01 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


I have a handy iPhone app that lets me quickly get to Bible passages and even switch between translations easily. Both NLT and KJV have no mention of unicorns. No idea where he got that from.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:12 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.

Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.


Sometimes you have to cull the herd. Let them remove themselves from society and the issue will take care of itself.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Many religious people think that God gave humankind the Earth to do with as we will, which supposedly means that the Earth in good operating condition is a gift from God and therefore perfect and unchanging like God Himself.  Admitting that it's even POSSIBLE for humans to screw up the environment goes against that belief (at least some people seem to think it does).
 
2013-07-30 12:44:32 PM

SurfaceTension: This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.

And why the more fundamentalist religious types try every way they possibly can to put their beliefs in front of children.


Wait til they hear the ope said it is okay to be gay and it is not his nor the churches right to judge. RFLOL
 
2013-07-30 12:45:01 PM

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


Whoops.

You done farked up now.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:04 PM

Good things about Kentucky

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That's all I can think of.
 
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