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(Huffington Post)   Kentucky citizens call new school science curriculum "socialist" and "fascist", and there are about four things wrong with that sentence   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 361
    More: Dumbass, Next Generation Science Standards, Kentucky, teaching of evolution, Kentucky Board of Education, program note, compulsory education, elective, Gary Herbert  
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2013-07-30 12:05:10 PM

Elegy:


God: making fat with fatness since Abraham.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:15 PM

vernonFL: "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.


As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


The irony being that, for once in their miserable existences, they will have been right about something.

I think I can live with it.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:50 PM
Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:51 PM
While supporters feel the standards will help beat back scientific ignorance, some religious groups take issue because the standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.

In other words, the supporters are shown to be correct on this topic and the topic of evolutionary theory.
 
2013-07-30 12:07:13 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


blog.blahgyou.com
 
2013-07-30 12:08:08 PM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."


Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?
 
2013-07-30 12:08:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.


Whoa, careful there, Mr. Jewish Smartypants... we're talking about the BIBLE here!  No need to mix all this Jewish-y stuff into the conversation about JESUS.  Completely different topic!

/end sarcasm
 
2013-07-30 12:09:21 PM
Supporters of the standards contended that opponents' fears are unfounded are full of shiat and that the standards' curriculum is based on evidence.

I wouldn't have been nearly so diplomatic.
 
2013-07-30 12:09:49 PM
Why do religious groups care about climate change?
 
2013-07-30 12:10:04 PM

reillan: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.


Uh,  I think you may not have studied the origins of fascism.
 
2013-07-30 12:10:18 PM

Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?


At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.
 
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2013-07-30 12:10:22 PM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Privatize profits, socialize losses.

Can you think of any government that embodies that ideal?
 
2013-07-30 12:10:43 PM
FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:19 PM

Serious Black: Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?


Even worse: it is an unfunded mandate.  They're just passing that cost onto state and municipal tax base.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:24 PM
There is so much concentrated stupid in that story, my brain liquified and oozed out of my ears in order to save itself while I read it.  It defies logic, reason, and understanding how ANYONE in the year 2013 could not understand that evolution is a fact.  I both do and do not see how people can be that willfully ignorant.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:42 PM

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.


I'm not saying you can't find silly pagans...but you don't generally see pagans flipping out about evolution being a major sin.
 
2013-07-30 12:12:27 PM

kidgenius: Home school your kids.


The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:09 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?



It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:26 PM
Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:44 PM

vernonFL: Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious

Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.


Yes, but if the same word is translated in two different ways, and one of those ways is even more pants-on-head than "Joshua ordered the sun not to set, and the sun, being of sound mind and amazing body, complied", methinks the stupid translation should be ignored. Either that or you need some sort of reason for the divergent translations. Especially if the word is well understood as meaning the obvious and has been for centuries - hell, Google translate has it as "rams" (which I also thought it was, but at least both rams and young oxen are real things).

As a history book, I'd put the Bible up there with Dianetics or Dante's Inferno. As a philosophy book, it's not half bad. As a work of general historical/sociological importance, I'd say we should avoid capriciously mistranslating whatever the words are as much as possible. Let's not deliberately obscure whatever meaning there is to be found in the text by making it that much more inaccessible.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:53 PM
Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)
 
2013-07-30 12:14:00 PM
Remember Kentuckians:
When God gets slighted
you get smited.
 
2013-07-30 12:15:16 PM
They have their God-given right to stay stupid poor, and nobody better try take that away from them!
 
2013-07-30 12:15:32 PM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks"

Huh, so if that is genocide and murder, what's this?

upload.wikimedia.org

a "misunderstanding"?

/fark off
 
2013-07-30 12:15:34 PM

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


There was one Bible from (I think) the 17th century which left out the "not" in "Thou shalt not commit adultery."  Epic hilarity ensued.

Ah, here it is:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible
 
2013-07-30 12:15:44 PM

dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)


Except for when they're opposing gay marriage, abortion, and birth control.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:13 PM

factoryconnection: Serious Black: Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?

Even worse: it is an unfunded mandate.  They're just passing that cost onto state and municipal tax base.


Maybe we can requisition some of the eleventy billion dollars worth of ammunition the DHS, IRS, and FEMA have stockpiled.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:18 PM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


There's a PBF for everything!
0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2013-07-30 12:16:29 PM

Coco LaFemme: There is so much concentrated stupid in that story, my brain liquified and oozed out of my ears in order to save itself while I read it.  It defies logic, reason, and understanding how ANYONE in the year 2013 could not understand that evolution is a fact.  I both do and do not see how people can be that willfully ignorant.


Some people really want the Bible to be completely correct and entirely relevant.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:35 PM

give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.


If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:51 PM

Godscrack: Keep people stupid with religion. More money for the conservative base.

Kentucky's poverty problem fifth worst in U.S.

America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

Kentucky 3rd highest in Obesity in US


And they gave us Mitch Farking McConnell. I hate those people now.
 
2013-07-30 12:17:50 PM
These days, who cares what the third world monkeys from those states think.  Personally, I just think that most people from red states are incapable of anything other than grunts and hoots.  Why even attempt to talk to them, they will just throw their feces at you?

For those of you in Kentucky "ook ook snort ock ock."
 
2013-07-30 12:18:19 PM

dr_blasto: So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?


the bible is a much more devastating drug than meth.
 
2013-07-30 12:19:34 PM

FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".
 
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2013-07-30 12:19:42 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


The GOP is a coalition of a small number of rich people that manipulate a large group of weak minded people to get into office.  The rich faction have been able to manipulate the dumb faction into somehow believing that pushing for *their brand* of "capitalism" is a religious issue.  Capitalism is in quotes because we don't have it right now in the U.S.  We've got oligarchy and it's nothing to do with the competition that the word capitalism implies.

They've got agents out there in the megachurches like Joel Onstein that put on "God wants you to be successful" sermons.  I've read the bible and Jesus didn't say anything about God wanting you to be rich.  As a matter of fact everything was just the opposite.  However the GOP has managed to play the old meme about Americans being temporarily embarrassed millionaires to marry the ideas of religion and corporatism.
 
2013-07-30 12:20:20 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.

If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.


Don't forget the 2nd Amendment.
more4news.typepad.com
 
2013-07-30 12:20:29 PM
static.tvtropes.org
The correct term is Commie-Nazis
 
2013-07-30 12:20:32 PM

FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?


When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?
 
2013-07-30 12:20:36 PM

angrymonday: reillan: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.

Uh,  I think you may not have studied the origins of fascism.


I think you have no idea what I've studied, and I have no idea what you're implying with that sentence.  So what are you trying to say?
 
2013-07-30 12:21:52 PM

Rwa2play: Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.


Because they have 1/50th of the voting power in the US Senate and 6/435ths of the voting power in the US House, part of the government controlling the world's largest standing military (and more-or-less underwriting a disturbingly large number of the economies on the planet).

Via the committee process in Congress, they furthermore have disproportionate power on matters of energy, education (!), science (!!), space and technology, transportation, infrastructure, the financial sector, and one of them (http://halrogers.house.gov/) serves as the chair of the committee to allocate money to address all of those other matters.

Wish it weren't true. It'd sure be a more convenient world where I could just ignore Kentucky.
 
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.
 
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.

If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.


Read "Tempting Faith" it is all about how GOP works to fool Christians into thinking their platform is what God wants.
 
2013-07-30 12:23:26 PM

Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.


Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.
 
2013-07-30 12:24:07 PM

FloydA: Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?


I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

/that sound you hear, while it resembles the gnashing of Christian Teeth, is actually the sound of an old world machine finally slowing to a full stop
//religion takes a backseat to science
///bout farking time...
 
2013-07-30 12:25:14 PM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Words like "elitist," "fascist" and "socialist" are just highfalutin synonyms for "bad" in some people's vocabularies.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:22 PM

FloydA: Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.

Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.


It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:34 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.


Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:51 PM

ciberido: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

Words like "elitist," "fascist" and "socialist" are just highfalutin synonyms for "bad" in some people's vocabularies.


Conservative Tourette's. Study it out.
 
2013-07-30 12:27:08 PM

FarkinHostile: FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?

When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?


That would technically be a form of Lamarckian "evolution" through use and disuse, so it doesn't count.

(It does, however, make Baby August Weismann cry, if that helps any.)
 
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