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2013-07-30 09:13:34 AM
Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.
 
2013-07-30 09:15:07 AM
we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution

Disparaging the wealthy? What kind of America hating communist is this guy?
 
2013-07-30 09:18:27 AM
So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?
 
2013-07-30 09:20:39 AM
There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.
 
2013-07-30 09:24:55 AM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


I bet they are rich, compared to droopy-eyed Kentuckians who lost their jobs because you just can't keep putting your hand in the fryolator and trying to catch a McNugget
 
2013-07-30 09:28:09 AM
I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.
 
2013-07-30 09:29:49 AM
Even in red states the majority of people are actually pretty reasonable. Unfortunately they don't speak out enough and nut jobs like the ones in TFA are all too eager to "get involved".
 
2013-07-30 09:31:14 AM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.
 
2013-07-30 09:35:11 AM
Normally I'd just laugh something like this off and say "the stupid, it burns!"  But when it comes to global warming, the stupid really is going to burn us.
 
2013-07-30 10:02:50 AM
The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.
 
2013-07-30 10:15:36 AM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?
 
2013-07-30 10:24:49 AM

kronicfeld: Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


I feel like "is this from The Onion?" is the new Poe's Law.
 
2013-07-30 10:28:37 AM
This moron is a perfect example of why science must be taught to our children.
 
2013-07-30 10:29:04 AM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!
 
2013-07-30 10:31:07 AM

factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!


Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.
 
2013-07-30 10:36:20 AM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Well of course they do, they have an atheist Pope.
 
2013-07-30 10:36:54 AM
And whut's with all this fancy heliocentrism?  It says clearly in the Bible that Joshua stopped the sun outside the walls of Jericho - clearly the sun goes around the Earth.
 
2013-07-30 10:38:02 AM
People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.
 
2013-07-30 10:41:12 AM

Aarontology: factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Most Protestants support teaching evolution in schools as well.  Overall about 77% of Christian churches (Protestant, Catholic, assorted other flavors) accept the theory of evolution and schools teaching it.
 
2013-07-30 10:43:20 AM
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Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?
 
2013-07-30 10:44:04 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


In this way, I now appreciate The Waterboy as a sophisticated allegory of the epistemic closure that is epidemic among the modern conservative and Republican ideologies.
 
2013-07-30 10:44:30 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.
 
2013-07-30 10:44:53 AM
"treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.
 
2013-07-30 10:51:29 AM
Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,
 
2013-07-30 10:55:34 AM
"We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:36 AM

SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,


Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:39 AM

FloydA: I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so. They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.


That's because the entirety of their knowledge of evolution is essentially a straw man, spoon fed to them by their parents and pastors.
 
2013-07-30 11:06:52 AM

Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.


You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.
 
2013-07-30 11:12:15 AM

FlashHarry: evolution IS a fact,


That was the first thing my Catholic High School religion teacher wrote on the black board on day one. Then we started covering the Old Testament.
 
2013-07-30 11:15:53 AM

SurfaceTension: Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.

You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.


Touché.
 
2013-07-30 11:33:37 AM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


I'm well aware, given that I'm Catholic.  I also know that I don't worship statues, but then I'm not a very good Catholic.

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives.


Ultimately this is the root of the problem.  It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.  That's the biggest problem with religion being used as a front for pseudoscience, especially when leaders of religions take firm stands that actual science is heretical, and then forges their political ideology around it.  So you end up with a group of people whose political, religious, and scientific takes on life are all rigid and intertwined, and sure enough they don't accept it when some "other" comes along and tries to explain a problem with their scientific view.

Plus there's a lot of mercury in the water supply throughout Appalachia because of coal-fired power plants.
 
2013-07-30 11:35:16 AM
 
2013-07-30 11:35:22 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-30 11:40:32 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.



Emotional investment.  It's why otherwise reasonably intelligent individuals spew herp-a-derp.  Same reason for dumb individuals but one doesn't often fascinate at *their* stupidity.
 
2013-07-30 11:40:44 AM

factoryconnection: Ultimately this is the root of the problem. It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.


This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.
 
2013-07-30 11:44:09 AM

Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst


top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states
 
2013-07-30 11:45:49 AM
Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.
 
2013-07-30 11:51:51 AM
I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?
 
2013-07-30 11:53:41 AM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


Brutal, but effective.
 
2013-07-30 11:53:42 AM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


Hold on there, pal.  Kentucky provides the US with a vital resource: bourbon.  Sure, sure... it can technically be made anywhere, but as when God said he'd spare Sodom if he could find just 20 good folks, I think that bourbon alone is a raison d'etre for KY.

Trivia Jockey: This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.


Teaching your children that knowledge of the world is a fixed quantity and then tying it to religion is a terrible thing.  Plenty of people raise their kids religious and they don't end up rejecting science.
 
2013-07-30 11:54:42 AM
I bet most of the top 10 meth states are red states too
 
2013-07-30 11:55:52 AM

FlashHarry: top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states


And they wonder why the north pokes fun at them.

It reminds me of Rick Perry...when confronted with the stats that his abstinence-only state ranks at the very bottom of teen pregnancy statistics, he said that the teachers must not be doing a good enough job teaching abstinence.

The facepalm is on full auto.
 
2013-07-30 11:56:37 AM
Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?
 
2013-07-30 11:57:25 AM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?
 
2013-07-30 11:59:28 AM
While supporters feel the standards will help beat back scientific ignorance, some religious groups take issue because the standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.

Welp.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:28 PM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


The cigarettes are doing their job just fine.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:35 PM
It's because of dumbass fundies like this why we don't have colonies on the Moon and Mars by now, people.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious


Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.
 
2013-07-30 12:04:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...
 
2013-07-30 12:04:38 PM

kronicfeld: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


As a Kentuckian, I dearly wish it was. Alas, it is not.

For every one step forward we drag this Bible-ridden place, the ignorant and fearful run two steps back screaming, "NO! WE WON"T THINK, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE US!!"
 
2013-07-30 12:05:10 PM

Elegy:


God: making fat with fatness since Abraham.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:15 PM

vernonFL: "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.


As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


The irony being that, for once in their miserable existences, they will have been right about something.

I think I can live with it.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:50 PM
Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.
 
2013-07-30 12:06:51 PM
While supporters feel the standards will help beat back scientific ignorance, some religious groups take issue because the standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.

In other words, the supporters are shown to be correct on this topic and the topic of evolutionary theory.
 
2013-07-30 12:07:13 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


blog.blahgyou.com
 
2013-07-30 12:08:08 PM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."


Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?
 
2013-07-30 12:08:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.


Whoa, careful there, Mr. Jewish Smartypants... we're talking about the BIBLE here!  No need to mix all this Jewish-y stuff into the conversation about JESUS.  Completely different topic!

/end sarcasm
 
2013-07-30 12:09:21 PM
Supporters of the standards contended that opponents' fears are unfounded are full of shiat and that the standards' curriculum is based on evidence.

I wouldn't have been nearly so diplomatic.
 
2013-07-30 12:09:49 PM
Why do religious groups care about climate change?
 
2013-07-30 12:10:04 PM

reillan: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.


Uh,  I think you may not have studied the origins of fascism.
 
2013-07-30 12:10:18 PM

Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?


At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.
 
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2013-07-30 12:10:22 PM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Privatize profits, socialize losses.

Can you think of any government that embodies that ideal?
 
2013-07-30 12:10:43 PM
FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:19 PM

Serious Black: Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?


Even worse: it is an unfunded mandate.  They're just passing that cost onto state and municipal tax base.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:24 PM
There is so much concentrated stupid in that story, my brain liquified and oozed out of my ears in order to save itself while I read it.  It defies logic, reason, and understanding how ANYONE in the year 2013 could not understand that evolution is a fact.  I both do and do not see how people can be that willfully ignorant.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:42 PM

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.


I'm not saying you can't find silly pagans...but you don't generally see pagans flipping out about evolution being a major sin.
 
2013-07-30 12:12:27 PM

kidgenius: Home school your kids.


The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:09 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?



It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:26 PM
Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:44 PM

vernonFL: Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious

Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.


Yes, but if the same word is translated in two different ways, and one of those ways is even more pants-on-head than "Joshua ordered the sun not to set, and the sun, being of sound mind and amazing body, complied", methinks the stupid translation should be ignored. Either that or you need some sort of reason for the divergent translations. Especially if the word is well understood as meaning the obvious and has been for centuries - hell, Google translate has it as "rams" (which I also thought it was, but at least both rams and young oxen are real things).

As a history book, I'd put the Bible up there with Dianetics or Dante's Inferno. As a philosophy book, it's not half bad. As a work of general historical/sociological importance, I'd say we should avoid capriciously mistranslating whatever the words are as much as possible. Let's not deliberately obscure whatever meaning there is to be found in the text by making it that much more inaccessible.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:53 PM
Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)
 
2013-07-30 12:14:00 PM
Remember Kentuckians:
When God gets slighted
you get smited.
 
2013-07-30 12:15:16 PM
They have their God-given right to stay stupid poor, and nobody better try take that away from them!
 
2013-07-30 12:15:32 PM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks"

Huh, so if that is genocide and murder, what's this?

upload.wikimedia.org

a "misunderstanding"?

/fark off
 
2013-07-30 12:15:34 PM

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


There was one Bible from (I think) the 17th century which left out the "not" in "Thou shalt not commit adultery."  Epic hilarity ensued.

Ah, here it is:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible
 
2013-07-30 12:15:44 PM

dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)


Except for when they're opposing gay marriage, abortion, and birth control.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:13 PM

factoryconnection: Serious Black: Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?

Even worse: it is an unfunded mandate.  They're just passing that cost onto state and municipal tax base.


Maybe we can requisition some of the eleventy billion dollars worth of ammunition the DHS, IRS, and FEMA have stockpiled.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:18 PM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


There's a PBF for everything!
0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2013-07-30 12:16:29 PM

Coco LaFemme: There is so much concentrated stupid in that story, my brain liquified and oozed out of my ears in order to save itself while I read it.  It defies logic, reason, and understanding how ANYONE in the year 2013 could not understand that evolution is a fact.  I both do and do not see how people can be that willfully ignorant.


Some people really want the Bible to be completely correct and entirely relevant.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:35 PM

give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.


If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.
 
2013-07-30 12:16:51 PM

Godscrack: Keep people stupid with religion. More money for the conservative base.

Kentucky's poverty problem fifth worst in U.S.

America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

Kentucky 3rd highest in Obesity in US


And they gave us Mitch Farking McConnell. I hate those people now.
 
2013-07-30 12:17:50 PM
These days, who cares what the third world monkeys from those states think.  Personally, I just think that most people from red states are incapable of anything other than grunts and hoots.  Why even attempt to talk to them, they will just throw their feces at you?

For those of you in Kentucky "ook ook snort ock ock."
 
2013-07-30 12:18:19 PM

dr_blasto: So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?


the bible is a much more devastating drug than meth.
 
2013-07-30 12:19:34 PM

FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".
 
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2013-07-30 12:19:42 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


The GOP is a coalition of a small number of rich people that manipulate a large group of weak minded people to get into office.  The rich faction have been able to manipulate the dumb faction into somehow believing that pushing for *their brand* of "capitalism" is a religious issue.  Capitalism is in quotes because we don't have it right now in the U.S.  We've got oligarchy and it's nothing to do with the competition that the word capitalism implies.

They've got agents out there in the megachurches like Joel Onstein that put on "God wants you to be successful" sermons.  I've read the bible and Jesus didn't say anything about God wanting you to be rich.  As a matter of fact everything was just the opposite.  However the GOP has managed to play the old meme about Americans being temporarily embarrassed millionaires to marry the ideas of religion and corporatism.
 
2013-07-30 12:20:20 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.

If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.


Don't forget the 2nd Amendment.
more4news.typepad.com
 
2013-07-30 12:20:29 PM
static.tvtropes.org
The correct term is Commie-Nazis
 
2013-07-30 12:20:32 PM

FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?


When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?
 
2013-07-30 12:20:36 PM

angrymonday: reillan: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.

Uh,  I think you may not have studied the origins of fascism.


I think you have no idea what I've studied, and I have no idea what you're implying with that sentence.  So what are you trying to say?
 
2013-07-30 12:21:52 PM

Rwa2play: Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.


Because they have 1/50th of the voting power in the US Senate and 6/435ths of the voting power in the US House, part of the government controlling the world's largest standing military (and more-or-less underwriting a disturbingly large number of the economies on the planet).

Via the committee process in Congress, they furthermore have disproportionate power on matters of energy, education (!), science (!!), space and technology, transportation, infrastructure, the financial sector, and one of them (http://halrogers.house.gov/) serves as the chair of the committee to allocate money to address all of those other matters.

Wish it weren't true. It'd sure be a more convenient world where I could just ignore Kentucky.
 
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.
 
2013-07-30 12:21:53 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: give me doughnuts: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


It can't be real because that would mean the socialist commie gay liberal scientists are right, and Baby Jesus doesn't like science. It makes Him cry. And because only Jesus and God control the weather.

If Jesus stood for anything, it was preferable tax policies for domestic energy producers.


Read "Tempting Faith" it is all about how GOP works to fool Christians into thinking their platform is what God wants.
 
2013-07-30 12:23:26 PM

Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.


Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.
 
2013-07-30 12:24:07 PM

FloydA: Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?


I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

/that sound you hear, while it resembles the gnashing of Christian Teeth, is actually the sound of an old world machine finally slowing to a full stop
//religion takes a backseat to science
///bout farking time...
 
2013-07-30 12:25:14 PM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


Words like "elitist," "fascist" and "socialist" are just highfalutin synonyms for "bad" in some people's vocabularies.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:22 PM

FloydA: Weaver95: Actually pagans don't really have the same concepts of sin as you see in Christianity. Which rather changes a lot of things around.

Neo-Pagans, at least of the Wiccan flavors, are polytheists.  If there are several gods in one's pantheon, one is not restricted to the notion that there is only one "right" way to live.  It's hard to be a zealot when you believe in multiple deities who all disagree with each other.


It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:34 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.


Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.
 
2013-07-30 12:26:51 PM

ciberido: Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.

Words like "elitist," "fascist" and "socialist" are just highfalutin synonyms for "bad" in some people's vocabularies.


Conservative Tourette's. Study it out.
 
2013-07-30 12:27:08 PM

FarkinHostile: FloydA: If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you. Any takers?

When Charmelon (level 16) evolves to Charizod (level 36), does that make Baby Jesus cry?


That would technically be a form of Lamarckian "evolution" through use and disuse, so it doesn't count.

(It does, however, make Baby August Weismann cry, if that helps any.)
 
2013-07-30 12:27:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Keep in mind, Kentucky's part of the epicenter of the right's War on Coal rhetoric.  Anything environmental-policy related (with the exception of hunting and fishing) = job-killing green energy leftist EPA lies undercutting the Kentucky economy = godless socialists destroying our way of life.

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.
 
2013-07-30 12:29:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Well of course they do, they have an atheist Pope.


At least their pope is only atheist.  OUR pope is a Kenyan muslatheist fasocialist!
 
2013-07-30 12:29:46 PM

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


From a verse in either Jeremiah or Isaiah: "And behold, a [young woman] shall conceive" when talking about the mother of the guy who would "redeem" Israel. Of course, that's talking about who would end the first Diaspora (the multidecade exile between the first sacking of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Second Temple), not who would be the eternal savior of mankind, but whatevs.

Oh, and also, the word used is "almah" or "עַלְמָה", which in Hebrew simply means "young woman". "Virgin" to the Old Testament, is "bethlah" in many other places (sorry, can't type in Hebrew and didn't want to search directly for "virgin in Hebrew" on my work computer).

There are, as I understand, a few other "massagings" of terms to make Jesus seem like the plan all along, but much of that is mistranslation, interpretation and flat-out retconning.

// not like the OT is totally perfect, but there's really no need to further muddy the ecclesiastical waters
 
2013-07-30 12:30:43 PM

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.


Not sure how accurate that is.  Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.
I don't usually expect logical consistency out of that crowd, so you could still be correct, but I always thought global warming opposition was just good old fashioned secular antiscience.
 
2013-07-30 12:31:22 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 533x640]
Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?


I don't see "Jesus," "America," or "Wal-Mart" anywhere in all of that fancy smartguy science talk. So it's wrong. And you'd better admit you just made it up to make me feel stupid, or the magical man in the sky will set you on fire. Because he loves you.
 
2013-07-30 12:31:41 PM
Wasteland:

None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:08 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


If god was bothered by this, wouldn't he do something?  I mean, besides kill more children in Africa.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:20 PM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


Giving up the academia dream and getting a realistic biostat job that pays something, that's where.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:46 PM

serial_crusher: Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.

Not sure how accurate that is.  Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.
I don't usually expect logical consistency out of that crowd, so you could still be correct, but I always thought global warming opposition was just good old fashioned secular antiscience.


Well, they don't want to believe it's human because there would be an issue. So they want to claim it's natural, that way they can hold to their belief that god will save em.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:48 PM

Serious Black: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."


Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?


It will cause their children to question their beliefs and possibly leave the church, so if you assume that these Christians are the only true Christians, that would be technically correct.

/the best kind of correct
 
2013-07-30 12:33:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".

From a verse in either Jeremiah or Isaiah: "And behold, a [young woman] shall conceive" when talking about the mother of the guy who would "redeem" Israel. Of course, that's talking about who would end the first Diaspora (the multidecade exile between the first sacking of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Second Temple), not who would be the eternal savior of mankind, but whatevs.

Oh, and also, the word used is "almah" or "עַלְמָה", which in Hebrew simply means "young woman". "Virgin" to the Old Testament, is "bethlah" in many other places (sorry, can't type in Hebrew and didn't want to search directly for "virgin in Hebrew" on my work computer).

There are, as I understand, a few other "massagings" of terms to make Jesus seem like the plan all along, but much of that is mistranslation, interpretation and flat-out retconning.

// not like the OT is totally perfect, but there's really no need to further muddy the ecclesiastical waters


Also, isn't the Immaculate Conception about Mary herself being conceived without Original Sin and not about getting knocked up by the big guy in the sky?
 
2013-07-30 12:33:22 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


The giant "College Humor" watermark on that image makes me a sad panda. What, was EBAUMSWORLD already taken?
 
2013-07-30 12:33:33 PM

QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.


Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:00 PM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]


Well, duh, how ELSE would you make someone's dust fat than with fatness?  Derp.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:14 PM

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


Indeed... Teach the Controversy !
 
2013-07-30 12:34:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.
 
2013-07-30 12:35:11 PM
I would like to point out that I am fat with fatness, and have been for many years.
 
2013-07-30 12:35:20 PM

germ78: serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]

The giant "College Humor" watermark on that image makes me a sad panda. What, was EBAUMSWORLD already taken?


Yeah, I just picked out the first GIS result, noticed that after I posted it.  "Unicorn CollegeHumor.com" just doesn't look as well on a shirt as "Unicorn Power"
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-30 12:35:55 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.

Giving up the academia dream and getting a realistic biostat job that pays something, that's where.


because basic research isn't important.  Another idiotic meme currently popular.
 
2013-07-30 12:36:04 PM

IlGreven: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD.

Robert T. Bakker, PhD; paleontologist and minister.


And on matters of paleontology, his words would carry some weight. That he's a minister fails to move the needle in that case - that was my point.

// I'd like to think that their science background would make them immune to "god did it"-ology, but a PhD isn't inoculation against bad hypotheses or bad research
// I'd listen, but I might not agree - at least I'd know he was learned in the subject beyond what the Bible/theology says
 
2013-07-30 12:36:54 PM

kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.


Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:00 PM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


That relies on the people in Kentucky actually following/reading religious teachings of the church but it seems the majority rely on the spoken word of the local priest/pastor who may be espousing a separate agenda. Readin is fur the edakated elitists.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:10 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"


Yeah they might want to lock this crazy ass guy up now before he starts blowing things up.

serial_crusher: Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us. Or something.


Technically he only promised not to destroy it in the same way again, hinting that all other kinds of destroying were still on the list.  I think it's implied next time he will do a better job at getting rid of us.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:16 PM
Unfortunate, we do allow people to worship a god.
When in actuality, it's a sign of mental illness.

Farkin' Theotards.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:22 PM
Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:25 PM
mooseyfate:

I am GLAD to see you in this thread.

TYVM!  I can't stay long - loads of grading to finish, and the roofers are here, pounding away, but I'll check in as often as I can.


Weaver95:
It makes for some rather interesting philosophical conversations but..it really comes down to the gods you are working with at the time. And you're right...there isn't a "one true way" issue among pagans...well, mostly. Some wiccans get uppity about their path. Mostly they just get ignored.

Yep.  I've met one or two "fundamentalist" Gardnerians, but they tend to get dismayed and wander off when I point out that Scire actually made up most of their religion in the 1940s, and the rest he borrowed from the Rosicrucians, HOGD, and cribbed notes out of Murray's "Witch-cult" and "God of the Witches."

Most of the Wiccans I've known laugh at them.

I've known a few pagans who aren't too big on science in general, but I've never met one that has a problem with evolution in particular.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:25 PM

Trivia Jockey: factoryconnection: Ultimately this is the root of the problem. It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.

This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.


And why the more fundamentalist religious types try every way they possibly can to put their beliefs in front of children.
 
2013-07-30 12:37:54 PM

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


data.whicdn.com
The tanks are ready to go, sir.  Just give the word.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:35 PM

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


Are you trying to say that translations of the bible may not be perfect?

That's get you killed in these parts.
 
2013-07-30 12:39:24 PM

Cortez the Killer: Also, isn't the Immaculate Conception about Mary herself being conceived without Original Sin and not about getting knocked up by the big guy in the sky?


Yes.  But you are expecting a Prottie to know something about religion, which is not very likely
 
2013-07-30 12:39:26 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:20 PM

FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...


"Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:39 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.


I have a hard science b.s. and 5 years experience... does that count?
 
2013-07-30 12:42:01 PM

FabulousFreep: Technically he only promised not to destroy it in the same way again, hinting that all other kinds of destroying were still on the list. I think it's implied next time he will do a better job at getting rid of us.


There's nothing quite like God's love.
 
2013-07-30 12:42:14 PM
FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
 
2013-07-30 12:42:32 PM

Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.


King James' translators were functional retards even by the standards of 1600s England (which, considering the drivel coming out of 1600s England is saying something).  An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job
 
2013-07-30 12:43:10 PM
Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?
 
2013-07-30 12:43:21 PM

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:24 PM
Does this get us any closer to repealing this piece of shiat?

/19-farking-90!
 
2013-07-30 12:43:38 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.


Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:43 PM

Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.


Man, have I got some Jesuits for you to meet
 
2013-07-30 12:43:48 PM

factoryconnection: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Hold on there, pal.  Kentucky provides the US with a vital resource: bourbon.  Sure, sure... it can technically be made anywhere, but as when God said he'd spare Sodom if he could find just 20 good folks, I think that bourbon alone is a raison d'etre for KY.



They make really awful tasting jelly though.
 
2013-07-30 12:43:57 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


You know who else besides humans evolved from monkeys?

Modern monkeys.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:01 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


I have a handy iPhone app that lets me quickly get to Bible passages and even switch between translations easily. Both NLT and KJV have no mention of unicorns. No idea where he got that from.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:12 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: kidgenius: FTFA:
""Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God," Singleton said. "Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.""

Solution:
Home school your kids. Don't let them take part of the evil, socialist, fascist, indoctrinating agenda that is forced onto their impressionable young minds.

Why are you endorsing child abuse?
/These specific circumstances, homeschooled farkers.


Sometimes you have to cull the herd. Let them remove themselves from society and the issue will take care of itself.
 
2013-07-30 12:44:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?


Many religious people think that God gave humankind the Earth to do with as we will, which supposedly means that the Earth in good operating condition is a gift from God and therefore perfect and unchanging like God Himself.  Admitting that it's even POSSIBLE for humans to screw up the environment goes against that belief (at least some people seem to think it does).
 
2013-07-30 12:44:32 PM

SurfaceTension: This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.

And why the more fundamentalist religious types try every way they possibly can to put their beliefs in front of children.


Wait til they hear the ope said it is okay to be gay and it is not his nor the churches right to judge. RFLOL
 
2013-07-30 12:45:01 PM

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


Whoops.

You done farked up now.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:04 PM

Good things about Kentucky

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com


That's all I can think of.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:17 PM
Fine, if they want to force creationism in schools, evolution should be forced in churches.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:52 PM

d23: because basic research isn't important. Another idiotic meme currently popular.


I didn't say that, I said it's not realistic. Unless your parents are moneybags and mine sure as hell aren't.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:05 PM

phalamir: An illiterate Calcutta bootblack could have done a better job


a turban'd hindoo! surely not
 
2013-07-30 12:46:18 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Because without them we'd be overrun with bananas.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:48 PM

The Third Man: FlashHarry: Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

There was one Bible from (I think) the 17th century which left out the "not" in "Thou shalt not commit adultery."  Epic hilarity ensued.

Ah, here it is:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible


So you're saying that the translator plead  nolo?
/That's for you, Dreidel.
 
2013-07-30 12:46:50 PM

kronicfeld: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


No.

Keep in mind that those who are less intuitive often judge others by their own motives and methods. When you are talking about marginalization, genocide, murder and ostracism, you are going right to the heart of religion's tools for propagation of it's ignorance.
 
2013-07-30 12:47:02 PM
OKAY;
Evolution=good theory, probebly true
Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science
Socialism != Fascism ("National Socialism" was a misnomer event at the time)
HOWEVER both socialism and fascism produce totalitarianism and genocides, so EQAULLY BAD

I think that about covers it.
 
2013-07-30 12:47:31 PM

ciberido: "Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.


I know Genesis has a lot of oaths being made by "placing [one's] hand under [the other's] thigh", which I've heard is a "you jerk me off and the deal's done", but I can only recall a single instance of "penis" in the OT - if two men fight and one's wife breaks it up by grabbing a man's "secret place". The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women, the sex act is "approaching" (also the Biblical "knowing").

I would like to know more about this mistranslation.

Skraeling: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.

I have a hard science b.s. and 5 years experience... does that count?


Depends. What do you want to talk about?

// I dunno...sciencey stuff I guess
 
2013-07-30 12:47:54 PM
untaken_name: DDDDDDEEEEEEERRRPPPPPPPP


Listen, you have to do better, you have to make it at least SOUND like you believe what you're saying. D. Do it over again, get it right, I'll give you a B.
 
2013-07-30 12:48:47 PM
Holy crap! I think I found their logic.  Their logic is that the Kentucky school board are nazis:

-National Socialists are pretty fascist.
-They made huge advances in science and technology.
-They refused to teach Jewish Science and Kentucky is trying to strike down the old testament part (which is the Jewy bit).
-They participate in genocide.
-They believed in a master elite race.

/The only bit I can't work out is why the oppents are the ones doing book burnings....
 
2013-07-30 12:48:49 PM

serial_crusher: Not sure how accurate that is. Belief that God will never wipe us out isn't incompatible with science that concludes that we're wiping ourselves out.


Well, ask these crazy people:

John Shimkus
Rick Santorum
 
2013-07-30 12:49:11 PM

untaken_name: Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory.


um, yes it can.

"As the huge array of drug resistant pathogens grows we are learning that evolution is easiest to observe in species with a quick generation turnover. Since 1988, in the lab of Richard Lenski, the evolution of twelve E. coli populations from a single ancestor strain has been studied. Since then, over 50,000 generations of E. coli have been and gone, and the differences between the populations and each population from the ancestor strain have been documented. With samples of each population taken regularly the accumulated genetic changes can be followed with ease. Over time the bacteria have become far more efficient at growing under the conditions used. This study has provided evidence of how evolution actually occurs. One of the populations developed the ability to utilize citrate as a nutrient, something otherwise unknown in E. coli under similar conditions."
 
2013-07-30 12:49:20 PM

untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.


They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.
 
2013-07-30 12:50:00 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Gotta have something to put in the monkey cages at the zoo.
 
2013-07-30 12:51:41 PM
ciberido:
"Thigh" as a euphemism for "penis" is throughout the King James version.

Yeah, people confuse them on my anatomy too.

/tell your freinds.
 
2013-07-30 12:52:12 PM
When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists? A positive result gets you a free and mandatory RU486.


Ok, which one of you Farkers is over there in the comments?
 
2013-07-30 12:52:51 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science


Really?
 
2013-07-30 12:53:29 PM

No Such Agency: But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Humans evolved from apes which are a different species. So that's why there are still monkeys.

Now, why are their still apes? Because not all ape evolution leads to humans. Some of the evolutionary paths lead to being more ape-like.
 
2013-07-30 12:53:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Wasteland:
None cling so hard or so stubbornly to the status quo, as those who have so very little.

I've always believed that as well and I assume that's because they have the least ability to adapt.  Sadly, when I read things on coal-mining in Appalachia, I can't help but think these people should move to a place where they can get an oil-drilling job.  They seem to hang on to the past so desperately like a Rust Belt citizen waiting for the steel mill jobs to come back.


It's only going to get worse from here.  With Obama in office, they have a handy boogeyman to explain why coal has been taking a beating.  Once that's gone, and they have to face the idea that natural gas is going to beat coal hands down in the energy business for the forseeable future...  I'm not sure what will happen.  I've seen a few pro-coal friends gently guided to that conclusion, and the reaction could best be summed up as "quiet despair."

Moving out of eastern Kentucky is a trial for most of the people who try it, and one that usually has to be done in several steps.  There's nothing quite like trying to move uphill on the cost of living gradient when you were barely making it in the poorer counties to begin with; and if even one thing goes wrong along the way, you're back where you started and poorer than before.  It breaks a lot of people.

But the region's economy is barely sustainable as it is, and trending downward.  I cringe a little when I think what some of those towns will look like in 10 or 15 years.  But I also wonder if it isn't ultimately what's necessary.  Those who have little, cling.  Those who have nothing are often the ones willing to make changes.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:10 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.

Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.


Evolution?
 
2013-07-30 12:54:26 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?



Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:30 PM
Will the headline be on the test?
 
2013-07-30 12:54:31 PM
Kentucky needs to stick to fried chicken and horse racing. Anything else is too much to expect of them.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:42 PM

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


s3.amazonaws.com

well, it's not 100 percent!
 
2013-07-30 12:55:06 PM
I like how suddenly teaching climate change science is anti-religious, for some reason.
 
2013-07-30 12:55:16 PM
Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.
 
2013-07-30 12:55:18 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Because you touch yourself at night? That's a much more fun answer than the whole "common ancestor" bit, so there.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:15 PM

Fireproof: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I have a handy iPhone app that lets me quickly get to Bible passages and even switch between translations easily. Both NLT and KJV have no mention of unicorns. No idea where he got that from.


You're using an adulterated bible, you heathen.

UNICORNS!

/you probably have the NKJV in your iPhone, which changes unicorns to oxen.
//but not the AKJV, which keeps it unicorns
 
2013-07-30 12:56:15 PM
Whenever somebody uses the word "folks" in a sentence you know you are going to listen to or read something really stupid.  So listen up folks, stop it.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:32 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


do people still seriously ask this question?
 
2013-07-30 12:56:46 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Now it's all I can think of... A drunken 3-way with Ashley and Jen.
 
2013-07-30 12:56:46 PM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


I know some and not a one make even 250000/yr so they aren't even middle class
 
2013-07-30 12:56:48 PM

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


Yes, it's true.
 
2013-07-30 12:57:42 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]

That's all I can think of.


Makers Mark? That's all Farkers drank back in 2005. Nary a post was posted without a pic of that bottle.
 
2013-07-30 12:58:14 PM

Chummer45: I like how suddenly teaching climate change science is anti-religious, for some reason.


i know; isn't that funny? it just shows the inextricable link between fundamentalist christianity and 21st century republican orthodoxy.
 
2013-07-30 12:59:56 PM

FlashHarry: gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 798x542]

well, it's not 100 percent!


Most climate sceptics (certainly, all the ones I read) would fall into the "agree" category in that graph. That's because they ask questions like "do you agree that human beings are emitting CO2" and "is CO2 a greenhouse gas" to which NAME and most sceptics would answer "yes".

The REAL question, of course, is whether the IPCC's drastic predictions of 5+ degrees warming have any basis in reality. That is where the real disagreement is. But your pi-chart (and I have examined the methodology) is not looking at that question.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:02 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


WTF AM I READING.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:11 PM
Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"
No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.

Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:15 PM
OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?
 
2013-07-30 01:00:45 PM
Meh - this guy can't even use the English language on his own website. Fark him. HipsterXian doofus.

http://www.biblesmack.net/about-matt/my-beliefs-freedom-baptist-churc h -confession-of-faith-3rd-edit/
 
2013-07-30 01:01:28 PM

untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.


I really want to score this, but I can't help feeling that this may be a genuine sentiment. If it is, then Mr. Poe was a prophet.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:39 PM

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?

Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


I don't know about that. It does run in families.

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?


Yes. Propoaganda means "empirically-confirmed theory".
/Suspects that ba'al shemtov is either a garden-variety English antisemite or Sascha.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:50 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:53 PM
I would have thought this would have ended back in 1925 with the Scopes trial.

I am endlessly surprised by the resiliency of ignorance.
 
2013-07-30 01:02:10 PM

kidgenius: untaken_name: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do realize that this sentence is the equivalent of saying, "We KNOW God created the universe, the theory is to HOW it happened", don't you? Evolution cannot be replicated in the laboratory. If you believe it is a fact, please produce the relevant experiment in which you begin with one species and end with another, in a repeatable fashion under laboratory conditions. Until you can do so, please be careful with your use of the word "fact". Phlogiston is another theory that did not stand up to laboratory testing. Evolution is one of our generation's phlogistons. Look at a science textbook from 100 years ago to find other "facts of SCIENCE" that did not stand up to rigorous testing. In 100 years, others will look back upon our current textbooks in exactly the same way.

They've done it man. Go read the papers. Getting speciation is quite easy actually. All you do is get one set of flies that no longer can make viable offspring with another set of flies, and you technically have a new species. It's been done and re-created in labs a number of times.


Observed speciation
More observed speciation
A few more examples (Wiki, so check the references)

And the articles that I have been reposting for nearly 20 years: Observed Instances of Speciation and  Some More Observed Speciation Events

What's sad is that those last two articles were published when some of the critics were still in diapers.  They have literally been on the internet for nearly a generation.  Anyone who still claims that we have never observed speciation is being willfully ignorant and deliberately choosing to not know what's going on around them.
 
2013-07-30 01:02:18 PM

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Ye gods, no.  That's just trapping the brighter ones, who are desperately trying to escape the black hole o' derp.  It'd do nothing at all to inconvenience the ones who keep pushing this garbage.
 
2013-07-30 01:03:34 PM

Wellon Dowd: Good things about Kentucky

[i.imgur.com image 500x427]
[i.imgur.com image 344x500]
[i.imgur.com image 500x667]


That's all I can think of.


Umm....Fark.com?
 
2013-07-30 01:03:59 PM

Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?


This attitude is at the core of what fundamentalists believe. Atheists, and people of different beliefs, are that way because they have either been tricked and mislead by Satan or his agents, or actively "hate" them and their Church/God.

Any attempt to counter their demands, thus, is a personal attack on them based on hatred of either their religion or their God.
 
2013-07-30 01:04:48 PM
I think we need to institute a hefty tax on the use of the word "elite".  That way, we make the teahadists AND every empty-headed commentator at ESPN pay off the national debt in about three months.
 
2013-07-30 01:05:00 PM

cowgirl toffee: Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.


*whistle*
*flag thrown*
Personal foul: Kentucky-bashing from Tennessee / pot-kettle division by zero. Fifteen yards and loss of down.
 
2013-07-30 01:05:39 PM

FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?


Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.


It really is more like a closed head trauma, isn't it?

"social competence issues, depression, personality changes, cognitive disabilities,psychiatric disturbances. panic disorder, anxiety disorder, phobias. decreased self-esteem, depression and higher levels of unemployment."

Excellent point
 
2013-07-30 01:06:08 PM

born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?


No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.
 
2013-07-30 01:06:25 PM

Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.


Shut. Up,
/More for us.
 
2013-07-30 01:07:06 PM

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: Why do religious groups care about climate change?

Because of some stupid belief that there's a statement in the Bible where supposedly God promised Noah he'd never again try to wipe out humanity, thus they interpret this to mean that we shouldn't worry about destroying the Earth because God won't let bad things happen to us.  Or something.


My favorite part of the Noah ark story is the first thing Noah does after God's "Kill 'em All!" flood is kill some animals for God.

/Natural selection, biatches!
 
2013-07-30 01:08:41 PM

SordidEuphemism: I really want to score this, but I can't help feeling that this may be a genuine sentiment. If it is, then Mr. Poe was a prophet.


i was torn. i ended up siding with true belief rather than trolling. if it's trolling, though - it's a 10/10.
 
2013-07-30 01:08:49 PM
d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net
 
2013-07-30 01:09:01 PM

dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)


I actually heard some minister (of-effing-course it's Southern Baptist) say that all Catholics are going to hell. Then again, I imagine their 'hell' is a lot like Catholic heaven in 'The Simpsons'. Non-stop partying with Latinos, Italians, the Irish, a lot of central Europeans, and quite a few people from the Far East.
 
2013-07-30 01:09:30 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.


All inferior to Jack Daniels.
 
2013-07-30 01:10:32 PM

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


Aaaaaaaand farkied with satire tag.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:15 PM

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Some folk'll never go to school, but then again some folk'll...
 
2013-07-30 01:11:22 PM

urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.


that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....
 
2013-07-30 01:11:31 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

There's a PBF for everything!
[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x213]


I've been formulating what I call "ciberido's 8th law", "There is a xkcd for any situation." but I may have to either expand it or create a 9th law for PBF and Cyanide and Happiness.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:38 PM

Quick Fixer: Rwa2play: Why should I worry about a state who's average IQ is below "functional"?  And not because they're developmentally disabled, but because they willingly want to be retarded.

Because they have 1/50th of the voting power in the US Senate and 6/435ths of the voting power in the US House, part of the government controlling the world's largest standing military (and more-or-less underwriting a disturbingly large number of the economies on the planet).

Via the committee process in Congress, they furthermore have disproportionate power on matters of energy, education (!), science (!!), space and technology, transportation, infrastructure, the financial sector, and one of them (http://halrogers.house.gov/) serves as the chair of the committee to allocate money to address all of those other matters.

Wish it weren't true. It'd sure be a more convenient world where I could just ignore Kentucky.


Wouldn't say ignore, just make their vote less meaningful.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:59 PM

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.



Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.
 
2013-07-30 01:12:27 PM

Zik-Zak: dj_bigbird: Aarontology:

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.

Catholics aren't real Christians, anyway (at least according to these mouth breathers)

I actually heard some minister (of-effing-course it's Southern Baptist) say that all Catholics are going to hell. Then again, I imagine their 'hell' is a lot like Catholic heaven in 'The Simpsons'. Non-stop partying with Latinos, Italians, the Irish, a lot of central Europeans, and quite a few people from the Far East.


Oh, it's fairly common knowledge in the baptist circles that catholics are not true christians and that they are going straight to hell because they "don't know the bible", "don't read the bible", etc.
 
2013-07-30 01:12:55 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.

that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....


God dammit, I'm a vegetable.
 
2013-07-30 01:13:40 PM
Well, at least they aren't arming them, so that's nice.

Clarksville, Arkansas School District Opts For Armed Teachers, Staff


State officials are not blocking Clarksville's plan, but Arkansas Education Commissioner Tom Kimbrell is opposed to the idea of arming teachers and staff. He prefers to hire law enforcement officers as school resource officers.

Yeah, my bosses bosses boss doesn't have his head up his ass.
 
2013-07-30 01:14:41 PM

kidgenius: No Such Agency: But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

Humans evolved from apes which are a different species. So that's why there are still monkeys.

Now, why are their still apes? Because not all ape evolution leads to humans. Some of the evolutionary paths lead to being more ape-like.


You're trying to make sense.
There's a time and place for that, but it's not here, and it's not in KY.
 
2013-07-30 01:14:55 PM

Trivia Jockey: Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.

Brutal, but effective.


img2.joyreactor.cc
 
2013-07-30 01:15:59 PM

FloydA: Now THAT is how you troll, folks.  The rest of you, take notes here.  This will be on the test.


demaL-demaL-yeH: Aaaaaaaand farkied with satire tag.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-30 01:16:25 PM

phalamir: Dr Dreidel: The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.

Man, have I got some Jesuits for you to meet


I'm not opposed to the idea, I just mean that if you want to start talking science, you better know a little bit about it first. Clergymen often learned science from other clergymen, and it may be a theologic science (men have 1 fewer rib, and all that), but an actually-learned science-person wearing a white collar may be the most interesting person in the room*. To me, anyway.

I like hearing how people square the religious circle with science. As someone who grew up in a religious household (very religious by today's standards) with a heavy focus on science (dad's got a Chem PhD), both the theology and the science and how the subject joins the two is interesting to me.

// *he doesn't always pick two fields at odds, but when he does, he fights on both sides of a thousands-of-years long war of ideas
// and sometimes, an actual killing-people war
 
2013-07-30 01:18:11 PM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


They're the ones who take advantage of ancient plants evolving into coal and oil.
 
2013-07-30 01:19:17 PM

Dr Dreidel: vernonFL: Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious

Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.

Yes, but if the same word is translated in two different ways, and one of those ways is even more pants-on-head than "Joshua ordered the sun not to set, and the sun, being of sound mind and amazing body, complied", methinks the stupid translation should be ignored. Either that or you need some sort of reason for the divergent translations. Especially if the word is well understood as meaning the obvious and has been for centuries - hell, Google translate has it as "rams" (which I also thought it was, but at least both rams and young oxen are real things).

As a history book, I'd put the Bible up there with Dianetics or Dante's Inferno. As a philosophy book, it's not half bad. As a work of general historical/sociological importance, I'd say we should avoid capriciously mistranslating whatever the words are as much as possible. Let's not deliberately obscure whatever meaning there is to be found in the text by making it that much more inaccessible.


From Wikipedia:

The translators of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (1611) followed the Greek Septuagint (monokeros) and the Latin Vulgate (unicornis)[14] and employed unicorn to translate re'em, providing a recognizable animal that was proverbial for its un-tamable nature. The American Standard Version translates this term "wild ox" in each case.


The classical Jewish understanding of bible did not identify the Re'em animal as the unicorn. Instead, the Tahash animal (Exodus 25, 26, 35, 36 and 39; Numbers 4; and Ezekiel 16:10) was thought to be a kosher unicorn with a coat of many colors that only existed in biblical times.[citation needed]
 
2013-07-30 01:21:04 PM

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


Yes,  the original Jewish Masoretic Isaiah uses the Hebrew "almah" (which just means young woman),but virgin birth and immaculate conception are two different things.

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."
 
2013-07-30 01:22:20 PM

serial_crusher: Elegy: Dr Dreidel: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x286]

wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?

I believe that "unicorns" is the translation provided by the KJV.

Obviously King James' famed 47 translators put the unpaid intern to work on that particular verse and took the day off.

Well, you see, oxen back in those days were actually unicorns at birth but would get fat and lose their horn when they hit puberty.  So, "young oxen" and "unicorns" are actually the same thing.
The reason that modern day oxen work differently than the oxen of yore is a mystery to me though.  Evidently their biology has changed over time.


25.media.tumblr.com

/I thought there was a unicorn in there somewhere, oh well, I've gone this far....
 
2013-07-30 01:23:12 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.


Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.

Real men drink Scotch.

/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.
 
2013-07-30 01:23:26 PM

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


I don't think you RTFA. They aren't objecting to teaching about socialism and fascism (though they probably would object to anything other than "evil, see Democrats") they are claiming that teaching evolution and global warming is socialism, fascism, genocide, and murder.
 
2013-07-30 01:27:33 PM
Why did I start hearing audio about a Rubic's Cube competition when I opened that page?

There was no obvious video playing, and the audio had nothing to do with the story in the article.
 
2013-07-30 01:28:31 PM

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.

Real men drink Scotch.

/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


It is unlikely there will ever be a shortage of Bourbon in the Southern US.

If you don't live in the Southern US, I feel bad for you, son. Enjoy your $150 bottles of Yamazaki and so on.
 
2013-07-30 01:29:25 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: cowgirl toffee: Damn strait there's something wrong subby.  Kentucky people can't spell.

*whistle*
*flag thrown*
Personal foul: Kentucky-bashing from Tennessee / pot-kettle division by zero. Fifteen yards and loss of down.


*Damn.
 
2013-07-30 01:29:47 PM

Private_Citizen: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

Yeah, bourbon - all bourbon - is a terrible, nasty and foul drink only suitable for hillbillies and farm animals.
Real men drink Scotch.
/the less other people know how good bourbon can be, the more will be available for us. Lord help us all if hipsters latch onto it. It's bad enough that Japan is developing a taste for bourbon.


I also drink (good, single-malt, old enough to vote) Scotch, so please point those hipster buggers at sloe gin, ouzo, absinthe, Bartles & Jaymes, Zima, Boones Hill, and vermouth. Tell them it's ironically retro, or something, like PBR.
 
2013-07-30 01:30:58 PM
Dr Dreidel:
The Talmud (thousands of years after the Bible) refers to it in creative ways (testicles are "eggs", your pubic patch is the "lower beard" even for women

images2.wikia.nocookie.net 

FlashHarry:
No Such Agency: FloydA:
But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
do people still seriously ask this question?


Usually not in as many words.  It's truly the cheapest of cheap creationist talking points.
 
2013-07-30 01:36:23 PM

Zik-Zak: Satan's Bunny Slippers: urbangirl: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?  Are you trying to tell me that God made us with spare monkey parts?

No, you idiot.  God made chimpanzees with spare human parts.

that and we also share nearly 82% of our DNA with LETTUCE.

born_silly there just doesn't get the genome thing.....

God dammit, I'm a vegetable.


I hear some people are fruits.

And there sure are a lot of nuts.
 
2013-07-30 01:43:06 PM

Wasteland: lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.

Ye gods, no.  That's just trapping the brighter ones, who are desperately trying to escape the black hole o' derp.  It'd do nothing at all to inconvenience the ones who keep pushing this garbage.


Then the message would be for their parents to get out sooner to avoid total collapse.
 
2013-07-30 01:45:50 PM

hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.


The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.

Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.
 
2013-07-30 01:46:32 PM

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.
 
2013-07-30 01:47:34 PM

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


25.media.tumblr.com

I used to respect you, man :C
 
2013-07-30 01:50:17 PM

Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?


So you're claiming to speak for all atheists, when did you become their spokesperson?
 
2013-07-30 01:50:38 PM
Dr Dreidel:
The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

I think that's part of the joke.
 
2013-07-30 01:51:03 PM

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.



Darwin works in mysterious ways.
 
2013-07-30 01:51:30 PM

dustygrimp: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.


actually, that is a fair question. technology and money keep alive those creatures which would have perished in the wild. creatures such as snooki, paris hilton and amanda bynes.
 
2013-07-30 01:53:04 PM
Dear religious extremists,

Shut the fark up. You're making humanity look bad. It's shiat like this that make the aliens fly right by our rock.

Sincerely,
  Humanity
 
2013-07-30 01:56:15 PM

hiker9999: 20th?  "Evilution" and natural selection came to prominence in the mid 1800's. The rednecks have to get at least that far, first.


MadHatter500: Honestly, if we could just get them into the last quarter of the 19th we'd be making progress.  They seem to be stuck in about oh, 1863.  On July 3rd to be exact.  Everything after that they seem to be in denial about.


1800's = 19th Century, so I don't think the 20th Century is too great a leap. But I'm willing to accept smaller steps in the name of the P-word that conservatives hate so passionately/irrationally.
 
2013-07-30 01:56:54 PM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-30 01:58:50 PM

White people evolved from black people.

There are still black people.


Mankind evolved dogs from wolves.
There are still wolves.


/You can't explain that/
 
2013-07-30 02:00:52 PM

Wasteland: hubiestubert: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

No, you just still don't have the right to tell everyone else to worship your Almighty God.
Worship what you will, and maybe let everyone else worry about who they will or will not worship. Do as you will in your own church, but maybe lay off trying to get state support to enforce that vision. That's the problem. Not faith, not the people of faith in general, not the atheists, but folks who want the State to step in and support their faith over all others. That's what is "under attack"--the separation of church and state--and it's under attack by folks who want state to be their cudgel to bash down anything that challenges their vision of God.

The more telling word in that original quote is "Outsiders."

It's a mistake to approach this as a matter of ideology, orthodoxy, doctrine.  It's not about posting commandments in the schools (which happens, and the kids ignore it), or teaching Creationism in biology class (which generally doesn't; more commonly, you'll get "believe what you like, but this is what you need to know for the test, so at least understand what you're arguing with").  Many, I'd even say most, rural Kentuckians are pretty laissez-faire about their Christianity, often to the point of unintentional syncretism.  Local church denominations are defined not by doctrinal differences (which even some of the preachers would have trouble explaining clearly without a cheat sheet, and many of whom don't even match the denomination they serve) but as purely social groupings.

And that's the version of religion we're dealing with here: religion as social construct.


Climate change doesn't get lumped into this debate because of some Biblical dominion-over-Earth doctrine; it gets included because the coal industry is one of the underpinnings of local society, and it's in trouble, and quiet desperation is setting in... and green-anything reeks of regulations imposed by the  outsiders, who are to blame for hurting the local economy and undermining the social status quo.  Mandating belief in evolution is how those outsiders turn children against religion, so they stop coming to the weekly church gatherings that the local communities tend to be organized around.  It's the outsiders who call you poor and stupid and inbred, the outsiders who assume your IQ is twenty points lower because of the way you talk...  The outsiders who ostracize you and are ostracized in turn.

It's a self-reinforcing cycle, on both sides of the divide, and has been for time out of mind.  Matters of religious belief, in this case, are only central to the extent that they're a distinguishing mark of the tribe.  Their importance mostly begins and ends there.  Present these same education reforms as being introduced to these same people by individual, local science teachers, with nothing more than a handshake agreement and quiet reassurance that "the kids will believe whatever they want, but knowing this stuff will help them get ahead," and better than half the dissenting voices would wander away, disinterested.

In the end, it's just a tribe thing.


This is sad, but true. And what makes it sad, is that folks are essentially voting based on the idea that folks will reinforce their tribal markings. During the 2008 election, we saw "Real America" as a catch phrase. "Real America" wasn't those stuffed shirts in the East, you know, the birthplace of the nation, whose ancestors actually fought for the nation, whose original colonies were the underpinnings of this grand experiment of a Republic. Nope, the folks whose states had originally formed the Union, they were out of touch, what with their kooky adherence to law, their schools that are older than the nation, and all that folderol.

It boils down to fear. Fear of change, fear of progress, fear that they might actually being left behind, and fear that they might prefer that to what is going on in the world, because it's scary to think that tradition and what has "always" been, might actually be hurting you. Far easier to lash out, and insulate and pretend that your own fears are someone else's fault, and suppress that twinge that the folks who are patting you on the head for your support, might just be taking advantage of the situation, but that is less scary than change or questioning...
 
2013-07-30 02:03:32 PM

FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states


Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.
 
2013-07-30 02:06:37 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If Americans are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?
 
2013-07-30 02:06:39 PM

born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?


God's a lazy copy-paster.
 
2013-07-30 02:08:06 PM
So by Republican logic, anyone who makes less than them is lazy and anyone who makes more is an elitist. Does this mean they are open to the idea of communism?

/Rob Ford, is that you?
 
2013-07-30 02:11:42 PM

wolfpaq777: FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states

Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.


So what conclusion did he come to that you are criticizing? Because all I see is a simple data point. Can one infer something from that? Of course, but he didn't, therefore your post was out of order.

Out of order, I say!
 
2013-07-30 02:13:50 PM
ciberido:

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."

Where are you seeing an actual claim of heritage?  I know in the telling of his birth he was relocated for the census to Nazareth because Joseph was "of the house of David," but I don't recall any blood claim anywhere.
 
2013-07-30 02:15:12 PM
No smart-ass scientist is gonna tell me that we condescended from monkeys. That's not my culture and heritage. Is that your culture and heritage?
 
2013-07-30 02:16:47 PM
"Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God,"

Hey douchebag... You are still 100% free to worship "almighty God". Seriously, give it a try sometime.And then apologize to the descendants of anyone who died because of TRUE lack of religious freedom.

Also, you can teach your religion in religion class, but keep your superstitious shiat out of the classroom until you have some kind of science behind it.

And people wonder why we're getting tired of Christian types.
 
2013-07-30 02:20:53 PM

wolfpaq777: FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states

Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.


While correlation might not be causation, it may be an indication of causation.
 
rpm
2013-07-30 02:23:06 PM

dustygrimp: Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end


There is no end, not to natural selection, that's kind of the point. The selection in this case is not quite natural. It's "how can we keep the rubes coming"
 
2013-07-30 02:24:15 PM
From the Slideshow at the bottom:

Arizona
In April, Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed legislation requiring the state Board of Education to design a high school elective course for public and charter school students titled "The Bible and its influence on Western Culture," which would include lessons on the history, literature and influence of the Old and New testaments on laws, government and culture, among other aspects of society.

Well, I'll be damned, Jan Brewer did something that makes sense? It's an elective, and it's designed to study the Bible's cultural influence on today's society? Cool, that's exactly the kind of religion class a lot of people here are fine with. I'm sure they'll try and inject religious indoctrination, but they may be in for a surprise when they get students interested in religion, but not interested in being beat over the head with it.

I guess Brewer was bound to get something right eventually, blind squirrel, broken clock, all that...
 
2013-07-30 02:27:24 PM
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-07-30 02:32:27 PM

Russ1642: No smart-ass scientist is gonna tell me that we condescended from monkeys. That's not my culture and heritage. Is that your culture and heritage?


Well, perhaps you didn't really descend that far.
 
2013-07-30 02:32:41 PM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


I like that, but I feel that we need to tweak it just a little bit. Obviously not everybody in Kentucky is a mouth-breathing imbecile. Not even every Christian in Kentucky is this stupid, so it's unfair to kill them just because their neighbors are polluting the gene pool.

It's simple, really. Stage a HUGE event at the Creation Museum, free hillbilly day, something like that. When the place is packed to capacity and beyond, drop a very small tactical nuke, only big enough to wipe out the building and everyone inside, but leave the state largely intact...
 
2013-07-30 02:33:45 PM
I went to high school in Lexington.  (The same school as Jim Varney.)
I don't remember any bullshiat creationism in SCIENCE! class back in the 70s except the Bio teacher did state something about "we all know about the biblical creation, well here's what science says about the origin of man".
Or something like that.

The only other so-called religion in our school was one of my Geometry teachers was a full fledged Pentacostal minister.  He always kept religion out of the class except maybe when we had a short class which ended up in a discussion about this or that.  And religion was never his first choice of topic.  He'd rather talk about dumb old math stuff.
 
2013-07-30 02:33:51 PM

dustygrimp: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

Has this become outmoded? Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for and to what end.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-30 02:38:52 PM

Serious Black: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."


Wow. An evidence-based science curriculum means we're going to exterminate Christians. When the hell did I miss that memo?


Ah. You missed Thursday's meeting. A motion of murder and genocide was brought to the table by the atheist from California. We debated and then voted. It passed 3 billion to 1 (the atheist from Kansas wouldn't get on board).
 
2013-07-30 02:42:37 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.


Let me guess...... Pike County?
 
2013-07-30 02:44:36 PM

Russ1642: No smart-ass scientist is gonna tell me that we condescended from monkeys. That's not my culture and heritage. Is that your culture and heritage?


Is you is, or is you ain't my constituency?
 
2013-07-30 02:45:09 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: FarkinHostile: Satan's Bunny Slippers: When will science come up with a prenatal test for the defect that creates conservative fundamentalists?

Fortunately, conservative fundamentalism is not a birth defect, but more of a traumatic injury.

I don't know about that. It does run in families.

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?

Yes. Propoaganda means "empirically-confirmed theory".
/Suspects that ba'al shemtov is either a garden-variety English antisemite or Sascha.


Really? Where's the empirical conformation for catastrophic AGW?
 
2013-07-30 03:04:27 PM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Which is one of many reasons that the sort of "Christian" cited in this article does not consider Catholics to be Christians.  Plain enough.
 
2013-07-30 03:06:21 PM

QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?


Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?
 
2013-07-30 03:06:26 PM

Dimensio: I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?


I support teaching all political and economic systems, or at least a basic version, in high school so that you don't have derpers screaming that things are communistic when communisim is an economic theory.
 
2013-07-30 03:08:00 PM

Trivia Jockey: Normally I'd just laugh something like this off and say "the stupid, it burns!"  But when it comes to global warming, the stupid really is going to burn us.


It's far more likely to drown me personally.  But I live on the coast.

/know how to swim
//not looking forward to it
///wondering if I can install pontoons on this house...
 
2013-07-30 03:09:17 PM

QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?


(You do know that there are exactly zero Jews in Pike County.)
 
2013-07-30 03:13:03 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If you descended from your Grandparents, why do you have cousins?
 
2013-07-30 03:14:01 PM

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.


I'm not sure Satanists are rational, but maybe they have some common sense.  I'd point out though, that Satanists and Pagans have about as much in common as.... well they have almost nothing in common.

/pretty sure you know that
//still feel its required to say it
///the dumb, it's everywhere.
 
2013-07-30 03:15:57 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?


No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.
 
2013-07-30 03:18:17 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

(You do know that there are exactly zero Jews in Pike County.)


I was just guessing a county that's heavily armed :)

I brought a Philly Jew to the Derby a few years ago, she couldn't understand a word my friend from Carter County said. I was like a translator all week.
 
2013-07-30 03:19:34 PM

wolfpaq777: FlashHarry: Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst

top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states

Ironic that someone criticizing states for lack of education is so hopelessly confused on the whole correlation vs causation thing.


any causation is inferred by you. i merely pointed out the correlation.
 
2013-07-30 03:23:26 PM

QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?

No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.


Well, you and the federal prison guards (they're tested).
/No Jews there, either.
 
2013-07-30 03:26:47 PM

SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,


I think you mean 20th century.
 
2013-07-30 03:27:15 PM

QueenMamaBee: I was just guessing a county that's heavily armed :)


  I said my relatives are armed. (Isn't always easy to be a Jew in Kentucky, and we have looong memories.)  

I brought a Philly Jew to the Derby a few years ago, she couldn't understand a word my friend from Carter County said. I was like a translator all week.


Well, I swan. Why do you reckon?
 
2013-07-30 03:29:00 PM

BunkoSquad: Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.

I bet they are rich, compared to droopy-eyed Kentuckians who lost their jobs because you just can't keep putting your hand in the fryolator and trying to catch a McNugget


OK, I laughed.  +1
 
2013-07-30 03:42:42 PM

Kahabut: Rwa2play: Weaver95: Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?

At this point I see Satanists with much more common sense than the Evangelicals.

I'm not sure Satanists are rational, but maybe they have some common sense.  I'd point out though, that Satanists and Pagans have about as much in common as.... well they have almost nothing in common.

/pretty sure you know that
//still feel its required to say it
///the dumb, it's everywhere.


I met one self-described Satanist through a common-interest group many years ago.  Apparently he had had some very bad experiences with local church groups in his younger days (I don't know any details), and viewed Satanism as a way of rebelling against mainstream Christianity.

Unfortunately, he seemed to end up with the same kind of simplistic worldview that makes some Christian sects so harmful; he just chose to support the "other" side.  Last I heard, he was wanted by the FBI for some sort of computer-related crimes.
 
2013-07-30 03:44:41 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: As a Kentuckian..... I would like to talk about Kentucky genocide. There are complete counties that just need to be wiped off the map.

Stay away from my kin.
/They are armed.

Let me guess...... Pike County?

Nope. Let me guess ... Fayette County?
/Or Bullitt?

No, I'm from Boyd County.... probably the only one in the county not selling meth.

Well, you and the federal prison guards (they're tested).
/No Jews there, either.


We have a Jewish doctor, and I'm pretty sure he lives in this county. Sadly..... he's probably the only one.
 
2013-07-30 03:47:06 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: QueenMamaBee: I was just guessing a county that's heavily armed :)

  I said my relatives are armed. (Isn't always easy to be a Jew in Kentucky, and we have looong memories.)  

I brought a Philly Jew to the Derby a few years ago, she couldn't understand a word my friend from Carter County said. I was like a translator all week.


Well, I swan. Why do you reckon?


She understands me just fine, and I didn't think his accent was that much worse than mine. Apparently it is, or she's just used to me by now.
 
2013-07-30 03:50:50 PM
Nothing wrong with being anti-socialism but Jebus, at least have the slightest clue what socialism is. It's not just a buzzword for anything you don't like. Morons.
 
2013-07-30 03:51:07 PM

No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?



If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?
 
2013-07-30 03:55:22 PM

Latinwolf: Egoy3k: Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We aren't and we never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?

So you're claiming to speak for all atheists, when did you become their spokesperson?


I am claiming that atheists are not actively attempting to destroy religion.  That is not speaking for anyone that is a statement of fact about the actions of atheists.

If you really want to be a pedant then I'll amend my statement.

Lots of apologists on fark and elsewhere get their panties in a wad about atheists actively trying to destroy religion. We The vast and overwhelming majority of us aren't and never have been but they believe that we are because after reading shiat like this who could blame us?
 
2013-07-30 04:13:17 PM

Richard C Stanford: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

I think you mean 20th century.



Bleep that. I want these assholes dragged into the present. Kicking and screaming if need be. I'm tired if the South dragging the country down with their goddamned willful ignorance.
 
2013-07-30 04:19:04 PM
Timid Goddess:
If you descended from your Grandparents, why do you have cousins?

common sense is an oxymoron:
If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?

Grandparents, or dust?  Science can't even agree!  Clearly the controversy must be taught.
 
2013-07-30 04:20:03 PM

SilentStrider: Richard C Stanford: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

I think you mean 20th century.

Bleep that. I want these assholes dragged into the present. Kicking and screaming if need be. I'm tired if the South dragging the country down with their goddamned willful ignorance.


Fark. The. South.

Lincoln could have prevented all those war dead and animosity by allowing the Soth to remain a backwards shiathole until it emploded on its own. By forcefully dragging them along all he did was sow the seeds of bitterness and martyrdom for them to believe they'll "rise again".

Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

liberalbias.com
 
2013-07-30 04:26:07 PM

THE GREAT NAME: gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?

Yes, it's true.


Really for realsies?  The whole science of climatology?
 
2013-07-30 04:26:31 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?


[His Dark Materials reference]
 
2013-07-30 04:39:10 PM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

"Unless it's OUR mold! PRAISE JEBUS!!!"

Sibling farking morans
 
2013-07-30 04:42:26 PM
This provides me a small glimmer of hope that my kids might actually get a decent classroom education without me going broke.  I'm in Northern KY in the best school district in the area, which is one of the best ones in the state.  I'm still struggling with whether or not to shell out over $8,000 in tuition per kid per year for them to attend the only high quality private school in the area that isn't a religious school.  My oldest starts first grade in a couple of weeks.  We decided to give the public schools a chance, but I'm skeptical.  It's sad that a decent education requires that level of financial commitment.

I am encouraged by the fact that the people in power decided to adopt the standards.  The comments from the opposition make me want to pack up my family and run far, far away.  Doubly so since I can easily imagine my own parents saying many of those same things.
 
2013-07-30 04:47:58 PM

gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: gnosis301: THE GREAT NAME: Climatology=rubbish, propoaganda dressed as science

Really?

Yes, it's true.

Really for realsies?  The whole science of climatology?


Yup, proper realisies. In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.
 
2013-07-30 04:49:57 PM

lohphat: SilentStrider: Richard C Stanford: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

I think you mean 20th century.

Bleep that. I want these assholes dragged into the present. Kicking and screaming if need be. I'm tired if the South dragging the country down with their goddamned willful ignorance.

Fark. The. South.

Lincoln could have prevented all those war dead and animosity by allowing the Soth to remain a backwards shiathole until it emploded on its own. By forcefully dragging them along all he did was sow the seeds of bitterness and martyrdom for them to believe they'll "rise again".

Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

[liberalbias.com image 800x588]


Except that, had Lincoln done so, right now we'd be dealing with something akin to tribal Pakistan/Afghanistan and 30 million very pissed off descendants of slaves. The Southern States would have turned into a bloodbath within 20 years or so anyway. I've read one theory that the Slaves were already starting to organize and those little seeds of organization would likely have turned into a serious rebellion by 1890, especially in the light of the new weapons technology that was being developed, such things as the wheelgun and the lever action rifle. Nearly all of the blacksmiths in the South during the later Antebellum period were slaves, and blacksmithing is called the King of Trades for a reason. The author had some evidence for this, there were written notes found in the basements and cellars of the houses along the Underground Railroad, graffiti written in lampblack, written instructions on how to get to the next waystation. The slavefolk were starting to teach themselves to read and write, hiding messages and discussing what they had read amongst themselves. It was considered a felony to teach a black man to read back then.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 
2013-07-30 05:03:31 PM

lohphat: Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.


Problem with that chart is they included federal employees' salaries as expenses.  So, a federal employee living in Virginia (there's a lot of those) is going to show up as a red state expense, even though he theoretically earns that salary by producing something that benefits the whole country.  Even if Virginia seceded, you'd just have to hire somebody else to do the same job, then your costs would shift.
 
2013-07-30 05:03:31 PM

Deathfrogg: lohphat: SilentStrider: Richard C Stanford: SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,

I think you mean 20th century.

Bleep that. I want these assholes dragged into the present. Kicking and screaming if need be. I'm tired if the South dragging the country down with their goddamned willful ignorance.

Fark. The. South.

Lincoln could have prevented all those war dead and animosity by allowing the Soth to remain a backwards shiathole until it emploded on its own. By forcefully dragging them along all he did was sow the seeds of bitterness and martyrdom for them to believe they'll "rise again".

Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

[liberalbias.com image 800x588]

Except that, had Lincoln done so, right now we'd be dealing with something akin to tribal Pakistan/Afghanistan and 30 million very pissed off descendants of slaves. The Southern States would have turned into a bloodbath within 20 years or so anyway. I've read one theory that the Slaves were already starting to organize and those little seeds of organization would likely have turned into a serious rebellion by 1890, especially in the light of the new weapons technology that was being developed, such things as the wheelgun and the lever action rifle. Nearly all of the blacksmiths in the South during the later Antebellum period were slaves, and blacksmithing is called the King of Trades for a reason. The author had some evidence for this, there were written notes found in the basements and cellars of the houses along the Underground Railroad, graffiti written in lampblack, written instructions on how to get to the next waystation. The slavefolk were starting to teach themselves to read and write, hiding messages and discussing what they had read amongst themselves. It

was considered a felony to teach a black man to read back then.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


The Bible preaches against knowledge.  In the very first book of the Bible, the moral of the Adam and Eve story is that having knowledge was a sin.
 
2013-07-30 05:06:01 PM

Deathfrogg: Except that, had Lincoln done so, right now we'd be dealing with something akin to tribal Pakistan/Afghanistan and 30 million very pissed off descendants of slaves. The Southern States would have turned into a bloodbath within 20 years or so anyway.


Better constrain the dead to the region than involve the young men of the north who had better lives and things to do with that life.

Perhaps the Sharia-like Babtist church would have died with them.
 
2013-07-30 05:07:35 PM

serial_crusher: lohphat: Fark them. Fark them HARD. Let them secede and form their own Jesusland. They're costing us more than their contributing. Cut them loose, like any other unprofitable business.

Problem with that chart is they included federal employees' salaries as expenses.  So, a federal employee living in Virginia (there's a lot of those) is going to show up as a red state expense, even though he theoretically earns that salary by producing something that benefits the whole country.  Even if Virginia seceded, you'd just have to hire somebody else to do the same job, then your costs would shift.


Gladly. I'd rather employ a person from a secular state than a sacred one.
 
2013-07-30 05:11:13 PM

THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.


LOL
 
2013-07-30 05:11:31 PM

Lando Lincoln: born_yesterday: OK, so if evolution isn't real, and God made us himself, and we came after all of the plants and animals, then why is our DNA 99% similar to that of chimpanzees?

God's a lazy copy-paster.


You dirty heretic.  It's clearly written in Ecclesiastes that God only uses CUT and paste.
 
2013-07-30 05:18:32 PM

Latinwolf: The Bible preaches against knowledge.  In the very first book of the Bible, the moral of the Adam and Eve story is that having knowledge was a sin.


What is "dogma from  christian mythology that has nothing to do with the Hebrew text," Alex?

/Dreidel, I'm punting it.
//You can slap it around.
 
2013-07-30 05:39:10 PM

dustygrimp: Looking around at the teen moms and white trash of the nation, I am starting to wonder what nature is selecting for


You've answered your own question. Reproductive success. That's it.
 
2013-07-30 06:06:45 PM

FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL


Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!
 
2013-07-30 06:24:45 PM

THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!



You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.
 
2013-07-30 06:26:20 PM
That's some comedy gold, there.

we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God

It says a lot about you that you consider an education to be the bane of religion.

We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks

You've got to be some kind of farked up twisted idiot to think that 'Kids going to school will be educated to the best of our abilities'  is the exact same thing as "we're going to murder you".

Sadly, that's about what I expect out of religious people these days.
 
2013-07-30 06:49:25 PM

lohphat: Simple. Out of state universities (except Liberty U of course) disqualify every KY high-school graduate's diploma. Have them pass remedial tests before considered for admission.


Universities don't care about diplomas. They care about SAT/ACT scores, transcripts, and tuition checks.
 
2013-07-30 06:59:54 PM

hardinparamedic: demaL-demaL-yeH: Evil Mackerel: Makers mark? Woodford or Pappy's are superior.

Shut. Up,
/More for us.

All inferior to Jack Daniels.


You ate a lot of paint chips when you were a kid, didn't you?
 
2013-07-30 07:53:06 PM
Facts in schools, faith in churches.  If you have a problem with that arrangement you either have too little confidence in your facts for not enough faith in your church, either way that's your problem.
 
2013-07-30 08:02:00 PM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister,


www.biblesmack.net

"Matt is a graduate of Boyce College at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Kentucky, with a degree in interdisciplinary studies. He also holds a Masters degree from Campbellsville University in Theology.

Matt is an author, preacher, radio talk show host, and is also actively involved in politics.

Matt resides in Southwest Louisville, KY."

/Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist
 
2013-07-30 08:07:04 PM

caddisfly: /Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist


A masters degree is studying about invisible people.

When are we going to have masters degrees in fairies and Harry Potter?
 
2013-07-30 08:22:53 PM

caddisfly: /Masters Degree
/He's educated, just not an elitist


in Theology.
I can see how that qualifies him to evaluate science education.
(The undergrad is even more horrific.)
And here is the course description for the single biological science class they offer:

SC 111 principles of biology and lab    4 hours

An overview of life science. Content of the course includes a study of living organisms as relates to origins, cellular physiology, genetics and ecology. One hour lab included.

Care to guess whether they teach real biology?
/You know they don't.
 
2013-07-30 08:24:20 PM

lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.


His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.
 
2013-07-30 08:29:18 PM

caddisfly: lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.

His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.


About that:
Bachelor of Science in Biblical Studies
Church Ministry (with a concentration in either Christian Leadership, Children's Ministry or Women's Studies)
Counseling
Missions
Music
Ministry Major (This degree program is closed to new enrollments)
Worship and Pastoral Studies
Worship and Music Studies
Youth Ministry

Bachelor of Science
Elementary Education (P-5) - this, by the way is the only program that requires a "biology" course
Humanities

/So, absolutely not science.
 
2013-07-30 09:03:46 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: caddisfly: lohphat: A masters degree isn studying about invisible people.

His blog (which I couldn't help but peruse, you really should too) claims he has a Bachelor of Science!  Science I tell you.

About that:
Bachelor of Science in Biblical Studies
Church Ministry (with a concentration in either Christian Leadership, Children's Ministry or Women's Studies)
Counseling
Missions
Music
Ministry Major (This degree program is closed to new enrollments)
Worship and Pastoral Studies
Worship and Music Studies
Youth Ministry

Bachelor of Science
Elementary Education (P-5) - this, by the way is the only program that requires a "biology" course
Humanities

/So, absolutely not science.



Wat
 
2013-07-30 09:22:20 PM

Damnhippyfreak: Wat


I fark you not.
And they really do have only the one class in biology - for their elementary ed program.
The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.

It's my recurring proselytizer-won't-leave-me-and-mine-the-fark-alone nightmare, only without the Mormons.
 
2013-07-30 09:24:09 PM
lohphat:

[Red State Socialism" image]

Before someone points out that that data is from 2005, here's a chart I mocked up based on 2007-2009 data:

farm4.staticflickr.com

And, before anyone mocks the links because they are The Daily Beast: I did so for the articles. The Daily Beast got their information from "2007 through 2009 data from the U.S. Census Bureau's Consolidated Federal Funds Report and data from the Internal Revenue Service".
 
2013-07-30 09:39:14 PM

ArcadianRefugee: lohphat:

[Red State Socialism" image]

Before someone points out that that data is from 2005, here's a chart I mocked up based on 2007-2009 data:

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x467]

And, before anyone mocks the links because they are The Daily Beast: I did so for the articles. The Daily Beast got their information from "2007 through 2009 data from the U.S. Census Bureau's Consolidated Federal Funds Report and data from the Internal Revenue Service".


somebody really needs to come up with a better format than jpg for sharing copypasta on forums.  It's 2013.  That text should be linkable.
 
2013-07-30 10:14:58 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The place isn't a farce. It's a parody of a farce, but real. And accredited.


Accredited by a farce governing body.

Next up: Chiropractic and acupuncture as scientifically accredited medical disciplines.

WAT!?

The BAcC's register has been accredited under a new scheme set up by the Department of Health and administered by an independent body which is accountable to Parliament.

the Council is responsible for all matters pertaining to the accreditation status of Doctor of Chiropractic Programs (DCPs), institutions housing DCPs, or solitary purpose chiropractic institutions.

Idiocracy was not intended to be a working plan.

JFC, can we just START CIVILIZATION OVER? The stupid, it burns.
 
2013-07-31 12:04:48 AM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

www.inquisition-art.net

No, that's how religion works.
 
2013-07-31 12:07:05 AM

mike_d85: ciberido:

There's another issue, the idea that Jesus was a descendant of King David.  That heritage comes from Joseph, not Mary, which would seem to imply that Joseph was Jesus' biological, not merely adoptive, father.  Some people handwave this away by saying "well, when they say Joseph was Jesus' father and David's descendant, they mean it metaphorically."

Where are you seeing an actual claim of heritage?  I know in the telling of his birth he was relocated for the census to Nazareth because Joseph was "of the house of David," but I don't recall any blood claim anywhere.



The claim is that Jesus is "of the house of David," which makes him Joseph's son, because Joseph was "of the house of David"  and Mary wasn't.   I'm not saying the Bible states that Jesus was Joseph's biological son per se, but I am saying that there are passages which suggest/imply it (such as Matthew 1:2-16), enough so that one has to account for them somehow.  Clearly Jesus being "of the House of David" comes from Joseph.

As for where it is said that Jesus was of the House of David and why it matters, that's Romans 1:1-3.

There's also the fact that when Mary and Joseph lose track of Jesus and find him in the temple, which Jesus then calls "my father's house," they are confused, which goes against the modern/revisionist notions that (A) Mary and Joseph fully understood that Jesus was divinely conceived and (B) Joseph did not see himself as being Jesus' father.
 
2013-07-31 12:11:15 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: No Such Agency: FloydA:

But if people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


If God made man from dust, then why is there still dust?


If God made dust from light, why is there still light?
 
2013-07-31 12:14:41 AM

FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL


"FlashHarry, have we got derpsign?"

"ciberido, we have derpsign the likes of which even God has never seen!"
 
2013-07-31 01:52:45 AM

FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.


There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.
 
2013-07-31 01:58:51 AM

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.



Ah, another one. Stay off the board of education please? I don't want my children exposed to your warped thinking,
 
2013-07-31 02:19:25 AM

Deathfrogg: Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


Ah, another one. Stay off the board of education please? I don't want my children exposed to your warped thinking,


So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat. We get it, you don't know what Evolution is...you wrongfully think it is a FACT because frankly...it is just too complex for your mind to understand.

 
What is REALLY sad, is that people who 'claim' to be 'scientists' and have 'superior intelligence' don't know the difference between Genetics (a fact based science), and Evolution... (a theory that Darwin himself had serious doubts about due to, as he (Darwin) put it "unresolvable problems").

 
I have no issues with genetics being taught in schools as fact (or any science based in facts...geology, physics, botany, etc.) ...as they are all indeed well-established sciences. I do however take a MAJOR issue with Evolution be taught as FACT. It is, at BEST, a theory (and a piss poor one that is riddled with holes at that), if you think that Evolution IS a fact....you are clueless.
 
2013-07-31 02:22:02 AM
@ Divinegrace:

Ah, another religious psychopath.

How utterly unsurprising.
 
2013-07-31 02:25:34 AM

Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

Ah, another religious psychopath.

How utterly unsurprising.


You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.
 
2013-07-31 02:27:10 AM

Divinegrace:

You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.


Lol.
 
2013-07-31 02:49:14 AM

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


Oddly enough I had you farkied as "stupid" even before this thread began.  No idea why.
 
2013-07-31 02:53:16 AM

Deathfrogg: Divinegrace:

You don't understand the difference between Genetics (a science) and Evolution (a piss poor theory)...how utterly unsurprising.

Lol.



I see you have evidence of the evolution of a species then....care to share it with the rest of the class?

What is that you say...out of the 8+ million difference species on the earth....not one of them has ever 'evolved' into a new species....in the entire history of science? I am shocked, SHOCKED to find this out. /rollseyes.
 
2013-07-31 03:25:39 AM
@ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.
 
2013-07-31 03:26:53 AM

Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.

 
2013-07-31 03:55:09 AM

Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.


What's worse?

People like that vote.
 
2013-07-31 04:37:10 AM

lohphat: Deathfrogg: @ Divinegrace:

I'm not going to bother trying to reason with you. You aren't intelligent enough to understand the basic concept in the first place, and any reasonable presentation of relevant facts would be utterly lost on you. You would actively choose to ignore them in favor of preserving your vehemently narcissistic belief system.

So I will refer to FloydA's post, and wish that you would read it.

What's worse?

People like that vote.


"Natural Selection almost inevitably causes much Extinction of the less improved forms of life and induces what I have called Divergence of Character."

Charles Darwin.

If Darwin was right, your ilk (you know....the 'less improved') will be taken care of in short order. Unfortunely for the majority of the world....Darwin was (and is) wrong. (You are after all still here afterall..right)
 
2013-07-31 04:55:30 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.


I meant to say, DHF is the one who dismisses evidence. See for example: http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988317" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988 317  where NAME provides a citation, only for DHF to lie about what the reference said, because it goes against his political belief in climatist alarmism.
 
2013-07-31 05:02:06 AM
Evolution vs creationsim is hilarious, because reality trolls both sides:

IF you believe in evolution, THEN you must accept that religious people are better adapted than atheists because they (a) stick together and (b) are willing to murder those who do not share their beliefs. This means in the long run they will overrun the atheists.

OTOH, IF you are religious, THEN you have to look at all the evil that religion has done in the world, and remember that to ignore history is willful ignorance (a sin) and good will eventually prevail, you have to accept that religions will one day be be overrun by the atheists.

OH DEAR!!

Actually, there is a simple route out of this contradiction, and when you figure it out, you understand how contemporary society *really* works.
 
2013-07-31 09:33:22 AM

JuggleGeek: You've got to be some kind of farked up twisted idiot to think that 'Kids going to school will be educated to the best of our abilities' is the exact same thing as "we're going to murder you".


They believe that a lack of faith in the bible will lead to an excess of all sins. That somehow the only thing keeping people from being raving murderous monsters is faith/fear of god. Personally, I'd never want to be anywhere near anyone who actually felt that way.
 
2013-07-31 09:38:19 AM

Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human.


Humans are apes, so yes. I have seen that.
 
2013-07-31 10:02:08 AM

Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.


do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.
 
2013-07-31 10:07:57 AM

Ehcks: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human.

Humans are apes, so yes. I have seen that.


not just apes - great apes!
 
2013-07-31 10:22:57 AM

FlashHarry: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.

do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.


Forget it. He's from Kansas City. Where you move into a new neighborhood, and the local ministers come around asking why you aren't going to church, and then report to your neighbors that you might be an Atheist or a Jew.
 
2013-07-31 11:07:31 AM

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".


First, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was born without Original Sin. You are referring to the virgin birth and you are correct, the Hebrew word "alma" means "young woman" with no connotation of virginity, and the Greek word "parthenos" has a range of meanings from including "young woman" and "virgin".
 
2013-07-31 11:08:31 AM

FlashHarry: Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat.

do you suck your mother's cock with that mouth?

seriously, though - just because you don't understand speciation, it doesn't mean that you get to shove your unscientific religious bullshiat down other people's throats.


Don't waste your time.

The airlines gave us non-stop flights to fly over these medieval rubes. Fark gave us the ignore button. Use it.
 
2013-07-31 11:09:13 AM

ukexpat: Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...

From what I've read, "virgin" (as in the Immaculate Conception) is a mistranslation of "young woman".

First, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was born without Original Sin. You are referring to the virgin birth and you are correct, the Hebrew word "alma" means "young woman" with no connotation of virginity, and the Greek word "parthenos" has a range of meanings from including "young woman" and "virgin".


And I see that this has already been covered...

/slinks back to the basement
 
2013-07-31 12:15:05 PM

Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.


I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.
 
2013-07-31 12:24:02 PM

FloydA: Divinegrace: <stupidity deleted>

I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.


You'll never convince him.  According to Creationists like him, facts are what liberals and atheists use to deny the truth.
 
2013-07-31 12:29:58 PM
NOT ONCE HAS A FISH EVER GIVEN BIRTH TO A POTATO

therefore your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-31 12:31:34 PM

FloydA: Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.

I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.



Thanks for this, by the way.

The ability to easily link to your old arguments instead of endlessly restating them is one of the advantages to arguing on the internet. I invite Divinegrace to take advantage of another advantage - the ability to quickly and easily check out someone else's references.

/Old enough to remember arguing this sort of thing back when "checking references" would have meant several hours of going back and forth between the card catalog and the stacks in the local library.
 
2013-07-31 12:32:42 PM

THE GREAT NAME: THE GREAT NAME: Damnhippyfreak: THE GREAT NAME: FlashHarry: THE GREAT NAME: In fact it isn't even science. It's pseudoscience, like astrology and so on.

LOL

Yes, it is funny. I laugh when I read the climate-gate emails and then remember that some people actually think those charlatans are some kind of scientists. Ridiculous!


You're inadvertently falling into the same kind of thinking that underpins TFA. Just like you, the 'religious groups' in TFA are dismissing evidence because ofthe perceived qualities of the people involved: "Outsiders", "rich man's elitist", 'socialist', 'charlatan'.

Science and the validity of the information it provides relies on more than just your perception of some of the people involved. It's something both you and the people in TFA should keep in mind.

I meant to say, DHF is the one who dismisses evidence. See for example: http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988317" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.fark.com/comments/7634697/82988317#c82988 317  where NAME provides a citation, only for DHF to lie about what the reference said, because it goes against his political belief in climatist alarmism.



Case in point.  Even if your perception was somehow right (it's not), it does not mean I'm wrong.
 
2013-07-31 12:38:43 PM

FloydA:
I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in this post and let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.


He won't find them convincing simply because such things are never mentioned in the Revised Standard Version bible. He cannot refute any of those 14 points for the same reason. Guys like this will insist to the point of violence that Jesus was a blond haired, blue eyed, machine gun toting master capitalist who defeated communism with the help of Ronald Reagan, who was actually the Second Coming.
 
2013-07-31 12:59:42 PM

ciberido: Divinegrace: FlashHarry: "treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.

There is a real a major difference between genetics (how one species mates with a member of its species to produce a new member of the SAME species) and Evolution (one species BECOMES another species...an ape BECOMES a man).


Evolution is indeed a theory with no 'facts', not even one 'fact', to back it up.  Never one has it been recorded were one species BECOMES another...not ever.

Oddly enough I had you farkied as "stupid" even before this thread began.  No idea why.


Lucky guess?  Or maybe, actually and consistently stupid.
 
2013-07-31 01:03:37 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Evolution vs creationsim is hilarious, because reality trolls both sides:

IF you believe in evolution, THEN you must accept that religious people are better adapted than atheists because they (a) stick together and (b) are willing to murder those who do not share their beliefs. This means in the long run they will overrun the atheists.

OTOH, IF you are religious, THEN you have to look at all the evil that religion has done in the world, and remember that to ignore history is willful ignorance (a sin) and good will eventually prevail, you have to accept that religions will one day be be overrun by the atheists.

OH DEAR!!

Actually, there is a simple route out of this contradiction, and when you figure it out, you understand how contemporary society *really* works.



A heck of a lot of basic misconceptions there. Off the top of my head:

-socially-derived traits such as religious belief do not necessarily reflect a genetic basis
-evolution doesn't work that way on groups- even multi-level selection theory requires reproductively quasi-isolated subgroups, which of course isn't the case with religious and non-religious people
-the traits you describe are not universal nor necessarily even common within those groups, notably "are willing to murder those who do not share their beliefs", or atheists as representing "good"
-"good will eventually prevail" is too simplistic of a mechanism for any prediction of future events, much less a way of judging relative fitness and which traits will become fixed over time.

One thing you did get right is that there is indeed a simple route out of this contradiction: what you have posed is only a 'contradiction' since it is contrived through misconceptions on your part. In addition, it does reveal something about how contemporary society works - scientific literacy is far lower than it should be, and ignorance does not preclude people from voicing their opinion.
 
2013-07-31 01:40:50 PM

anfrind: FloydA: Divinegrace: <stupidity deleted>

I actually posted several links in  this post, just upthread.  Would you please take a moment to review those and tell me why you don't find them convincing?

In addition, while you're at it, would you kindly review the image in  this postand let me know which of the 14 points listed are mistaken or open to dispute?  Thank you.

You'll never convince him.  According to Creationists like him, facts are what liberals and atheists use to deny the truth.


"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God." -- Martin Luther
 
2013-07-31 02:04:26 PM
anfrind:

You'll never convince him.  According to Creationists like him, facts are what liberals and atheists use to deny the truth.

Deathfrogg:

He won't find them convincing simply because such things are never mentioned in the Revised Standard Version bible. He cannot refute any of those 14 points for the same reason.

From experience, I suspect you are correct.   I expect that he will read the posts, but he won't post again in this thread, and that he will post exactly the same assertions in the next thread, claiming that he has never seen the evidence I presented.  

I might be wrong about that; I kind of hope I am, but we'll see.
 
2013-07-31 02:07:05 PM
draypresct:
Thanks for this, by the way.

The ability to easily link to your old arguments instead of endlessly restating them is one of the advantages to arguing on the internet. I invite Divinegrace to take advantage of another advantage - the ability to quickly and easily check out someone else's references.

/Old enough to remember arguing this sort of thing back when "checking references" would have meant several hours of going back and forth between the card catalog and the stacks in the local library.


My pleasure.  I agree with you about the advantages of the internet (and also remember card catalogs all too well! :-)
 
2013-07-31 02:07:07 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: /So, absolutely not science.


I hope you realize I was being sarcastic.  It appears the Masters degree he claims to have obtained is available via computer correspondence.  It's also worth noting that he admits in his blog to falling in love with a girl who was underage, waiting years so they could marry, then ultimately divorcing and his ex-wife converting to Islam (through he doesn't capitalize "Islam" in his blog.)

America pays far too much attention to vocal idiots; the irony being that both of us are guilty in this example.
 
2013-07-31 02:17:08 PM

caddisfly: It appears the Masters degree he claims to have obtained is available via computer correspondence.  It's also worth noting that he admits in his blog to falling in love with a girl who was underage, waiting years so they could marry, then ultimately divorcing and his ex-wife converting to Islam (through he doesn't capitalize "Islam" in his blog.)


wait - are you talking about aslan?
 
2013-07-31 03:09:00 PM

hubiestubert: Nope, the folks whose states had originally formed the Union, they were out of touch, what with their kooky adherence to law, their schools that are older than the nation, and all that folderol.


Say 'hello' to the various reform, protestant, and such churches that separated from the Catholic Church due to the Catholics 'losing the point'.  It's a known sociological phenomenon.


serial_crusher: Problem with that chart is they included federal employees' salaries as expenses.


Also, in Alaska's specific case a lot of that spending is pure military due to it's strategic location(It's a great spot to fly planes to the whole Pacific Theater) and the low overall population reducing federal tax income.

Divinegrace: What is REALLY sad, is that people who 'claim' to be 'scientists' and have 'superior intelligence' don't know the difference between Genetics (a fact based science), and Evolution... (a theory that Darwin himself had serious doubts about due to, as he (Darwin) put it "unresolvable problems").


Sure, Darwin had problems with the theory that he couldn't resolve.  With the development of the field of genetics(heredity, dominant/recessive traits was still relatively new in Darwin's day), computer modeling, far more examples - present, past, higher(bacteria and such in the stratosphere), lower(extremophiles around deep water volcanic vents), etc...  We've solved basically every problem he had with evolution.

The thing to realize about evolution is that the level taught in public school only brushes the topic.  It's basically Darwin's level of understanding of the topic.  The specifics of evolution, the history of it, quickly becomes college level, even graduate - you need to specialize in it to start getting even half the cases.  Some of the weird stuff I've read about...  (While I have a degree, it's not in biology).  Same deal with teaching Newton model physics rather than Einstein or later - As long as you don't get too big(orbital mechanics) or small (molecular sizes), or too fast(c-fractional) it works.

Finally, I'll agree, teaching evolution as a 'fact' is a bit wrong, in the scientific realm it's still a theory, even if it's not a theory 'full of holes'.  Remember, gravity is still a theory.

Divinegrace: So you have seen an Ape give birth to a human. You have seen a fish give birth to a bird??? Please do share you lying sack of shiat. We get it, you don't know what Evolution is...you wrongfully think it is a FACT because frankly...it is just too complex for your mind to understand.


*sigh*  "Species" is an artificial construct of man imposed on nature to simplify our viewing of it.  Consider that specification started as based on taxonomy of various breeding populations - the more similar, the closer they were assumed to be.  When DNA was discovered and we started being able to compare it, the classification of what was an independent/related species shifted more towards DNA, but kind of like the demotion of Pluto, there's a HUGE bias against reclassing classical species.  For example, by some rules dogs and wolves shouldn't be considered separate species.  For that matter, Polar Bears and Grizzly Bears are considered separate, but we've found out relatively recently that they're capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring.  Lions and Tigers can breed; female ligers are fertile, males aren't.  It's weird.  Then there's ring species (A can breed with B, which can breed with C, but C can't breed with A).

Anyways, when you really dig into it(and I'm just scratching the surface) biology is a very strange (and complicated) topic.  Ape give birth to a human?  We're still Apes!  Fish give birth to a Bird?  Birds are descendants from reptiles, specifically the dinosaurs.  Fish, well proto-fish ocean dwellers that eventually became reptiles are even further back.

One way to look at it would be computers - going from teletype devices to the building sized mainframes(dinosaurs) and supercomputers, to the eventual microcomputers(modern life), becoming our smart phones and tablets.  You have relatively long periods of refinement, but occasionally some major new 'trick' is found, and the change explodes through the populations.

I'm not entirely happy with my counters; not a professional at this by any means.  The critical point to my whole rant is that 'species' is an artificial line drawn in the sand, biology doesn't work that way.  Instead you get some fuzzy point where a species ends up in two population groups with different evolutionary pressures(Grizzlies to the south, Polars to the north), isolated from breeding with each other through some way, that starts diverging.  Eventually you get to the point where things have changed so that breeding with each other is selected against even if the populations eventually overlap again; whether this is by gene incompatibility, mate selection preferences, or changes in the equipment that makes breeding impractical.
 
2013-07-31 03:34:37 PM

Firethorn: Finally, I'll agree, teaching evolution as a 'fact' is a bit wrong, in the scientific realm it's still a theory, even if it's not a theory 'full of holes'.  Remember, gravity is still a theory.


Actually, evolution itself ("change in relative frequencies of variant alleles in a gene pool over the course of generations") is a "fact" as much as anything in science can ever be.  It has been observed.

The "theory" is that natural selection, mutation, recombination, migration, and drift are the primary causes of that fact.

(It can get confusing because both the observations we're trying to explain and the theory that we use to explain them are called "evolution.")
 
2013-07-31 04:24:47 PM

FloydA: Firethorn: Finally, I'll agree, teaching evolution as a 'fact' is a bit wrong, in the scientific realm it's still a theory, even if it's not a theory 'full of holes'.  Remember, gravity is still a theory.

Actually, evolution itself ("change in relative frequencies of variant alleles in a gene pool over the course of generations") is a "fact" as much as anything in science can ever be.  It has been observed.

The "theory" is that natural selection, mutation, recombination, migration, and drift are the primary causes of that fact.

(It can get confusing because both the observations we're trying to explain and the theory that we use to explain them are called "evolution.")


thanks. this was my point earlier. gravity, too, is a fact - the theory is what explains it.
 
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