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(Huffington Post)   Kentucky citizens call new school science curriculum "socialist" and "fascist", and there are about four things wrong with that sentence   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 361
    More: Dumbass, Next Generation Science Standards, Kentucky, teaching of evolution, Kentucky Board of Education, program note, compulsory education, elective, Gary Herbert  
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2013-07-30 09:13:34 AM
Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.
 
2013-07-30 09:15:07 AM
we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution

Disparaging the wealthy? What kind of America hating communist is this guy?
 
2013-07-30 09:18:27 AM
So, teaching evolution leads to genocide and murder?

Just how bad is the meth problem in Kentucky?
 
2013-07-30 09:20:39 AM
There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.
 
2013-07-30 09:24:55 AM

Trivia Jockey: There are about 10,000 evolutionary biologists who read this and are wondering where all these rich evolutionsts are.


I bet they are rich, compared to droopy-eyed Kentuckians who lost their jobs because you just can't keep putting your hand in the fryolator and trying to catch a McNugget
 
2013-07-30 09:28:09 AM
I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.
 
2013-07-30 09:29:49 AM
Even in red states the majority of people are actually pretty reasonable. Unfortunately they don't speak out enough and nut jobs like the ones in TFA are all too eager to "get involved".
 
2013-07-30 09:31:14 AM

Trivia Jockey: I going to assume that none of the protesters even came close to realizing how difficult it is for something to be both fascist and socialist.


That tends to be one of those things that people ignore in their zeal for capitalism.

Also:
some religious groups take issue because standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.
awwww... they treat fact as fact.  How irresponsible of them.
 
2013-07-30 09:35:11 AM
Normally I'd just laugh something like this off and say "the stupid, it burns!"  But when it comes to global warming, the stupid really is going to burn us.
 
2013-07-30 10:02:50 AM
The day I listen to a minister tell me what is science and what is not is that day I converse with a minister with a hard science PhD. Until then, I'll consult with the clergy on matters ecumenical while saving my science-speech for degree-holding debaters.
 
2013-07-30 10:15:36 AM
Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?
 
2013-07-30 10:24:49 AM

kronicfeld: Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


I feel like "is this from The Onion?" is the new Poe's Law.
 
2013-07-30 10:28:37 AM
This moron is a perfect example of why science must be taught to our children.
 
2013-07-30 10:29:04 AM

Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.


But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!
 
2013-07-30 10:31:07 AM

factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!


Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.
 
2013-07-30 10:36:20 AM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Well of course they do, they have an atheist Pope.
 
2013-07-30 10:36:54 AM
And whut's with all this fancy heliocentrism?  It says clearly in the Bible that Joshua stopped the sun outside the walls of Jericho - clearly the sun goes around the Earth.
 
2013-07-30 10:38:02 AM
People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.
 
2013-07-30 10:41:12 AM

Aarontology: factoryconnection: Lucky LaRue: Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, ... spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted... "Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man's elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God"

Yes, that is what you are being told.  You no longer have the right to worship almighty God.

But if I learn this, I'll be no better than those statue-worshipping Catholics!

Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


Most Protestants support teaching evolution in schools as well.  Overall about 77% of Christian churches (Protestant, Catholic, assorted other flavors) accept the theory of evolution and schools teaching it.
 
2013-07-30 10:43:20 AM
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Nothing in there about the right to worship whatever you please.  Nothing in there about socialism.  Nothing in there about fascism. Nothing in there about rich men or elitism.  Nothing in there about murder and genocide.

I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so.  They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.  If you want to debate the validity of evolution, I'll listen and gladly engage in the discussion with you.  Any takers?
 
2013-07-30 10:44:04 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


In this way, I now appreciate The Waterboy as a sophisticated allegory of the epistemic closure that is epidemic among the modern conservative and Republican ideologies.
 
2013-07-30 10:44:30 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.


I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.
 
2013-07-30 10:44:53 AM
"treats evolution as fact."

evolution IS a fact, you farking idiots. the theory is to HOW it happens, the prevailing thought being that it happens via natural selection.
 
2013-07-30 10:51:29 AM
Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,
 
2013-07-30 10:55:34 AM
"We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

No we aren't.

Nobody is talking about murdering people. Nobody is talking about Kentucky genocide.

Those are not being discussed by anyone but YOU.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:36 AM

SilentStrider: Dear South,
You have been cordially invited to join the rest of the nation in the 21st century. It won't hurt you. We promise,


Let's not get hasty here, bub. Ease them into the 20th Century, first. THEN give them a shot at the 21st.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:39 AM

FloydA: I wouldn't mind discussing, or even debating evolution if the opponents of it would actually be willing to do so. They seem dead-set on avoiding the actual topic however, and instead ranting about some other completely unrelated nonsense.


That's because the entirety of their knowledge of evolution is essentially a straw man, spoon fed to them by their parents and pastors.
 
2013-07-30 11:06:52 AM

Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.


You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.
 
2013-07-30 11:12:15 AM

FlashHarry: evolution IS a fact,


That was the first thing my Catholic High School religion teacher wrote on the black board on day one. Then we started covering the Old Testament.
 
2013-07-30 11:15:53 AM

SurfaceTension: Trivia Jockey: I get that, but for hundreds of years human society has only progressed when people questioned the correctness of those that came before them.

You're assuming that these people have a desire to see society progress.


Touché.
 
2013-07-30 11:33:37 AM

Aarontology: Funnily enough, the Catholic Church says there's no conflict between Christianity and evolutionary biology and even teaches it in science class in their schools.


I'm well aware, given that I'm Catholic.  I also know that I don't worship statues, but then I'm not a very good Catholic.

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives.


Ultimately this is the root of the problem.  It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.  That's the biggest problem with religion being used as a front for pseudoscience, especially when leaders of religions take firm stands that actual science is heretical, and then forges their political ideology around it.  So you end up with a group of people whose political, religious, and scientific takes on life are all rigid and intertwined, and sure enough they don't accept it when some "other" comes along and tries to explain a problem with their scientific view.

Plus there's a lot of mercury in the water supply throughout Appalachia because of coal-fired power plants.
 
2013-07-30 11:35:16 AM
 
2013-07-30 11:35:22 AM
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2013-07-30 11:40:32 AM

SurfaceTension: People such as these, when you present them with the real scientific theories that goes against what they've "known" forever, they see it as not just a threat to their own world-view, but a threat to the trust they've placed in those who have been close to them their entire lives. If your parent spent 30 years telling you that God created the heavens and earth, and then some "rich man's elitist scientist" comes along and says "no, it isn't like that at all," you're going to get a visceral reaction from the believers because you're not just telling them that they are wrong, you're saying their loved ones are wrong too. And if their loved ones were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about? It's overwhelming to the believer and most can't sort it out, so they fall back into denial instead.



Emotional investment.  It's why otherwise reasonably intelligent individuals spew herp-a-derp.  Same reason for dumb individuals but one doesn't often fascinate at *their* stupidity.
 
2013-07-30 11:40:44 AM

factoryconnection: Ultimately this is the root of the problem. It only seems like mythology from the outside; for people raised, immersed in such teachings it is the root of their worldview.


This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.
 
2013-07-30 11:44:09 AM

Godscrack: America's Best (and Worst) Educated States - Kentucky 4th worst


top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states
 
2013-07-30 11:45:49 AM
Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.
 
2013-07-30 11:51:51 AM
I do not understand objections to teaching children fascism and socialism along with capitalism. Should not children be exposed to all ideas equally, so that they may decide on their own?
 
2013-07-30 11:53:41 AM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


Brutal, but effective.
 
2013-07-30 11:53:42 AM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


Hold on there, pal.  Kentucky provides the US with a vital resource: bourbon.  Sure, sure... it can technically be made anywhere, but as when God said he'd spare Sodom if he could find just 20 good folks, I think that bourbon alone is a raison d'etre for KY.

Trivia Jockey: This is the reason why indoctrinating young children with religion is such a terrible thing.


Teaching your children that knowledge of the world is a fixed quantity and then tying it to religion is a terrible thing.  Plenty of people raise their kids religious and they don't end up rejecting science.
 
2013-07-30 11:54:42 AM
I bet most of the top 10 meth states are red states too
 
2013-07-30 11:55:52 AM

FlashHarry: top ten: all blue states
bottom ten: all red states


And they wonder why the north pokes fun at them.

It reminds me of Rick Perry...when confronted with the stats that his abstinence-only state ranks at the very bottom of teen pregnancy statistics, he said that the teachers must not be doing a good enough job teaching abstinence.

The facepalm is on full auto.
 
2013-07-30 11:56:37 AM
Have I mentioned lately how happy I am you don't see pagans doing this sort of nonsense?
 
2013-07-30 11:57:25 AM

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wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?
 
2013-07-30 11:59:28 AM
While supporters feel the standards will help beat back scientific ignorance, some religious groups take issue because the standards treat evolution as fact and talk about the human role in climate change.

Welp.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:28 PM

Tigger: Seeing as the idiots in the article are already claiming that they are going to be the victims of wholesale slaughter, I propose we go ahead and do it anyway.


The cigarettes are doing their job just fine.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:35 PM
It's because of dumbass fundies like this why we don't have colonies on the Moon and Mars by now, people.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious


Its almost as if the entire Bible was written in ancient languages a very long time ago and has been translated, re-translated, and interpreted many times. So what people think the Bible says may or may not be what was originally written.
 
2013-07-30 12:04:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: wat

The Hebrew is "רְאֵמִים", meaning "young oxen". How does one get "unicorns" out of that? No, I'm serious.

// see also Psalms 29 - "the hills danced like young oxen"
// assuming no one's ever seen a unicorn, how could they use its dance as a metaphor in any kind of useful way if no one's ever seen it?


it's from the king james version. a 17th century (or earlier) mistranslation, no doubt. makes you wonder what else has slipped through...
 
2013-07-30 12:04:38 PM

kronicfeld: Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. "The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn't fit the mold and discards them," she said, per the The Courier-Journal. "We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks."

Are we very sure this is not just a re-posted Onion article?


As a Kentuckian, I dearly wish it was. Alas, it is not.

For every one step forward we drag this Bible-ridden place, the ignorant and fearful run two steps back screaming, "NO! WE WON"T THINK, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE US!!"
 
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