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2013-07-30 09:15:57 AM  
Counselor Troi?
 
2013-07-30 09:17:17 AM  
And wasn't Riker intended to be the sex appeal on that show? Until it turned out chicks dig bald theater actors and yellow androids.
 
2013-07-30 09:21:14 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Counselor Troi?


Done in one.
 
2013-07-30 09:21:23 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Counselor Troi?


What he said. I sense great boredom in this character. And a nice rack.
 
2013-07-30 09:22:42 AM  
I actually enjoy the character of Riker...so much so that I named my dog Riker :)
 
2013-07-30 09:24:40 AM  
In his mailbox you'll find a letter to Jimmy Page.
 
2013-07-30 09:25:42 AM  
Guinan? Wow! He's a better actor than I realized!
 
2013-07-30 09:29:52 AM  
For you, subby:

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2013-07-30 09:30:04 AM  
More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).
 
2013-07-30 09:30:04 AM  

FuturePastNow: And wasn't Riker intended to be the sex appeal on that show? Until it turned out chicks dig bald theater actors and yellow androids.


That and when he started having to wear a girdle.
 
2013-07-30 09:31:57 AM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-30 09:32:52 AM  
Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.
 
2013-07-30 09:34:40 AM  
Surely you jest. Just watching the weird way he sits down was entertaining.
 
2013-07-30 09:35:27 AM  

Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.

Agreed.

Somehow, Voyager managed to make Space Indian Terrorist into the dullest character imaginable.
 
2013-07-30 09:36:03 AM  

Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.


Isn't that where Carrie Underwood is from?

Also, the only thing interesting about the Riker character is the psychotic way he sits in chairs.
 
2013-07-30 09:36:17 AM  

Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.


AKA - Commander Look How Dumb I Am So Janeway And Torres Can Look Awesome
 
2013-07-30 09:40:59 AM  

meanmutton: More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).


I like Star Trek, but modern Trek series have had a problem with characters. Enterprise is probably the worst offender despite not being that bad of a show; pretty much everyone is dull and lacking in character, and the two guys who get the most screen time (Archer and Trip) are frequently portrayed as idiots.
 
2013-07-30 09:42:26 AM  
He was great as a nephew or whatever to Boss Hogg. I think Daisy was even going to marry him.
 
2013-07-30 09:42:43 AM  
Riker wasn't bad! So I think subby should

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2013-07-30 09:44:09 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.
Agreed.

Somehow, Voyager managed to make Space Indian Terrorist into the dullest character imaginable.


Chakotay's problem was the writer Jeri Taylor.  Jeri Taylor had such a huge girl crush on Captain Janeway that she took away Chakotay's balls to make Janeway look awesome.  Biggest hit to the Chakotay character was in season two where they had the Jonas plot going with Janeway, Paris and Tuvok in on a plot to expose the traitor and when Chakotay asks why he wasn't included on the plot, Janeway doesn't apologize, just says that since he was a maquis, she assumed he could be the traitor.  No Janeway, Chakotay wouldn't be the traitor because he's a former terrorist who you made your first officer.  He'd betray you because you're a giant ball busting biatch.

Chakotay's second problem was that the writers didn't let him do anything without first reminding us that he's Native American.

And no Trek character was as boring as Mayweather on Enterprise.  At least Riker had lines in every episode of TNG.  I think Mayweather had seven consecutive episodes of no lines, just flying the ship.
 
2013-07-30 09:46:03 AM  

Gunther: meanmutton: More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).

I like Star Trek, but modern Trek series have had a problem with characters. Enterprise is probably the worst offender despite not being that bad of a show; pretty much everyone is dull and lacking in character, and the two guys who get the most screen time (Archer and Trip) are frequently portrayed as idiots.


Malcolm and T'Pol were pretty cool on Enterprise.  On Voyager, you had the Emergency Medical Hologram, Tuvok, and Torres.  On DS9, you had Sisko, Odo, Worf, Jadzia Dax, O'Brien, and Dr. Bashir.

So, yeah, as the shows go on, it seems that there are fewer interesting characters.
 
2013-07-30 09:46:44 AM  
 
2013-07-30 09:47:38 AM  

Gunther: meanmutton: More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).

I like Star Trek, but modern Trek series have had a problem with characters. Enterprise is probably the worst offender despite not being that bad of a show; pretty much everyone is dull and lacking in character, and the two guys who get the most screen time (Archer and Trip) are frequently portrayed as idiots.


It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series. I wished they had spent more time developing the doctor and Hoshi on that show.
 
2013-07-30 09:47:54 AM  

Great Janitor: Big Beef Burrito: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.
Agreed.

Somehow, Voyager managed to make Space Indian Terrorist into the dullest character imaginable.

Chakotay's problem was the writer Jeri Taylor.  Jeri Taylor had such a huge girl crush on Captain Janeway that she took away Chakotay's balls to make Janeway look awesome.  Biggest hit to the Chakotay character was in season two where they had the Jonas plot going with Janeway, Paris and Tuvok in on a plot to expose the traitor and when Chakotay asks why he wasn't included on the plot, Janeway doesn't apologize, just says that since he was a maquis, she assumed he could be the traitor.  No Janeway, Chakotay wouldn't be the traitor because he's a former terrorist who you made your first officer.  He'd betray you because you're a giant ball busting biatch.

Chakotay's second problem was that the writers didn't let him do anything without first reminding us that he's Native American.

And no Trek character was as boring as Mayweather on Enterprise.  At least Riker had lines in every episode of TNG.  I think Mayweather had seven consecutive episodes of no lines, just flying the ship.


Mayweather and his clone, Harry Kim from Voyager.  Both of them were completely worthless characters.
 
2013-07-30 09:49:27 AM  
Jesus which is worse?
 
2013-07-30 09:49:34 AM  

Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.


This wasn't so much Chakotay being boring as Robert Beltran being a horrible actor.
 
2013-07-30 09:51:01 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Gunther: meanmutton: More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).

I like Star Trek, but modern Trek series have had a problem with characters. Enterprise is probably the worst offender despite not being that bad of a show; pretty much everyone is dull and lacking in character, and the two guys who get the most screen time (Archer and Trip) are frequently portrayed as idiots.

It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series. I wished they had spent more time developing the doctor and Hoshi on that show.


The one thing I really liked about Enterprise was how they treated the Vulcans.  There were really quite different from the existing Vulcans and I loved seeing them in their early days of embracing logic and trying to repress their emotion (while having ragingly strong emotions inside of them).  You could always see in nearly every Vulcan on the show that they were just bubbling with anger, frustration, condescension, annoyance but were actively repressing it.  I thought that was cool, giving a little more depth to the later Vulcans who (hundreds of years later) finally really understood how to put aside their emotions.
 
2013-07-30 09:51:12 AM  
Inb4 before the obese guy brags about his wife playing drums with Phish
 
2013-07-30 09:52:55 AM  

ManateeGag: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.

This wasn't so much Chakotay being boring as Robert Beltran being a horrible actor.


Yeah but he wasn't given anything to do, either.

Dingleberry Dickwad: It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series


I think that would be Seven.
 
2013-07-30 09:54:03 AM  

Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.


crooklynclan.net
 
2013-07-30 09:58:27 AM  

meanmutton: Dingleberry Dickwad: Gunther: meanmutton: More boring regular/recurring characters than Riker: Diana Troi, Wesley Crusher, Tasha Yar, Gainen.

Heck, that's just with the TNG cast.  Riker was a better character than nearly the entire crew of Voyager (I did like Tuvok, though).

I like Star Trek, but modern Trek series have had a problem with characters. Enterprise is probably the worst offender despite not being that bad of a show; pretty much everyone is dull and lacking in character, and the two guys who get the most screen time (Archer and Trip) are frequently portrayed as idiots.

It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series. I wished they had spent more time developing the doctor and Hoshi on that show.

The one thing I really liked about Enterprise was how they treated the Vulcans.  There were really quite different from the existing Vulcans and I loved seeing them in their early days of embracing logic and trying to repress their emotion (while having ragingly strong emotions inside of them).  You could always see in nearly every Vulcan on the show that they were just bubbling with anger, frustration, condescension, annoyance but were actively repressing it.  I thought that was cool, giving a little more depth to the later Vulcans who (hundreds of years later) finally really understood how to put aside their emotions.


That part I liked, I just wished they had explored the other characters a bit better. The doctor seemed to have the most potential in the show besides T'Pol, but they didn't quite develop him. Hoshi just seemed to be there most of the time, almost like a weird version of Troi, but instead of "I feel great anger!" there was "I can't figure out his verbs!" or something like that. Archer could have been written as a bit less of a headstrong redneck and actually put more thought behind what he was doing.
 
2013-07-30 09:59:14 AM  

meanmutton: Great Janitor: Big Beef Burrito: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.
Agreed.

Somehow, Voyager managed to make Space Indian Terrorist into the dullest character imaginable.

Chakotay's problem was the writer Jeri Taylor.  Jeri Taylor had such a huge girl crush on Captain Janeway that she took away Chakotay's balls to make Janeway look awesome.  Biggest hit to the Chakotay character was in season two where they had the Jonas plot going with Janeway, Paris and Tuvok in on a plot to expose the traitor and when Chakotay asks why he wasn't included on the plot, Janeway doesn't apologize, just says that since he was a maquis, she assumed he could be the traitor.  No Janeway, Chakotay wouldn't be the traitor because he's a former terrorist who you made your first officer.  He'd betray you because you're a giant ball busting biatch.

Chakotay's second problem was that the writers didn't let him do anything without first reminding us that he's Native American.

And no Trek character was as boring as Mayweather on Enterprise.  At least Riker had lines in every episode of TNG.  I think Mayweather had seven consecutive episodes of no lines, just flying the ship.

Mayweather and his clone, Harry Kim from Voyager.  Both of them were completely worthless characters.


Harry Kim was almost ejected from the ship and replaced with Seven of Nine.  However, he got noticed as one of the big stars by TV Guide that year, so the Powers that Be kept Kim and got rid of Kes.  The thing about Harry Kim is that he could have been a great character.  Fresh out of the academy, lost on the far side of the galaxy, he should have had some awesome character growth.  Instead he became the ship's butt monkey.  Worse was I think it was season seven when Kim was talking to his mother via that trick to talk to Earth from across the galaxy and Harry's mother wants to know why Kim was still an ensign and he says that there's no room for promotion on the ship.  He's the Operation's manager on the ship, half the crew assigned to Voyager died when the ship was whisked to the far side of the galaxy, half the crew now are maquis terrorists, and Voyager was losing people left and right due to Vidiians, Kazon, alien of the week, etc, and STILL, Harry Kim is never ONCE promoted?  There's room on the ship for a promotion for Harry Kim.  Best line he ever had was when Tom got his promotion back and was a Lt. again and Harry asked where his promotion was.  Yes, why re-promote Paris when Kim's never had that promotion and has earned it.  But then again, Janeway's chief engineer was a Starfleet academy wash out, First Officer a terrorist and her best pilot spends half his time doing nursing duty in sick bay, so really, it's not that Harry was a bad officer, it's that Janeway was a bad captain.  Harry Kim's level of suck I put on Jeri Taylor.
 
2013-07-30 10:01:22 AM  

devilEther: In his mailbox you'll find a letter to Jimmy Page.




The double neck guitar with airmail stripes is Letter To Jimmy Page. Rikers mailbox is to the left.

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2013-07-30 10:01:34 AM  

Mugato: ManateeGag: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.

This wasn't so much Chakotay being boring as Robert Beltran being a horrible actor.

Yeah but he wasn't given anything to do, either.

Dingleberry Dickwad: It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series

I think that would be Seven.


I think he meant the most growth on Enterprise. On Voyager, I think the Doctor and Seven had the most growth, so I at least partially agree with you there.
 
2013-07-30 10:02:37 AM  

Mugato: ManateeGag: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.

This wasn't so much Chakotay being boring as Robert Beltran being a horrible actor.

Yeah but he wasn't given anything to do, either.

Dingleberry Dickwad: It was odd that the Vulcan character had the most growth over the series

I think that would be Seven.


I was talking about Enterprise since that's the series the other poster had mentioned. I think it's a toss up between Seven, the EMH or T'Pol over which character grew most over all the different series.
 
2013-07-30 10:03:43 AM  

Great Janitor: Harry Kim was almost ejected from the ship and replaced with Seven of Nine.  However, he got noticed as one of the big stars by TV Guide that year, so the Powers that Be kept Kim and got rid of Kes.  The thing about Harry Kim is that he could have been a great character.  Fresh out of the academy, lost on the far side of the galaxy, he should have had some awesome character growth.  Instead he became the ship's butt monkey.  Worse was I think it was season seven when Kim was talking to his mother via that trick to talk to Earth from across the galaxy and Harry's mother wants to know why Kim was still an ensign and he says that there's no room for promotion ...


Star Trek has always had trouble understanding military rank.
See, promotions for acts of heroism.
See also, Kirk being "demoted" in order to command Enterprise in the first movie.
 
2013-07-30 10:06:39 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Star Trek has always had trouble understanding military rank.
See, promotions for acts of heroism.
See also, Kirk being "demoted" in order to command Enterprise in the first movie.


Wasn't everyone on TNG an officer except O'Brian?
 
2013-07-30 10:12:54 AM  

Mugato: Yeah but he wasn't given anything to do, either.


even when he was given stuff to do, he sucked at it.  Those Chakotey centered episodes were horrendous.
 
2013-07-30 10:16:20 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Great Janitor: Harry Kim was almost ejected from the ship and replaced with Seven of Nine.  However, he got noticed as one of the big stars by TV Guide that year, so the Powers that Be kept Kim and got rid of Kes.  The thing about Harry Kim is that he could have been a great character.  Fresh out of the academy, lost on the far side of the galaxy, he should have had some awesome character growth.  Instead he became the ship's butt monkey.  Worse was I think it was season seven when Kim was talking to his mother via that trick to talk to Earth from across the galaxy and Harry's mother wants to know why Kim was still an ensign and he says that there's no room for promotion ...

Star Trek has always had trouble understanding military rank.
See, promotions for acts of heroism.
See also, Kirk being "demoted" in order to command Enterprise in the first movie.


Here's my theory on rank and promotion in Star Trek:

Enterprise era: the crew of the NX-01 are basically just explorers with limited military experience.  Ranking is not much beyond that of Merchant Marines.
Early TOS era: Not much change
Movie era TOS starting with TWOK: Starfleet is starting to take it's military role more seriously and relations with Klingons get worse, ranks now matter.
Early TNG: No word from the Romulans for almost a century, peace with the Klingons, the military aspect has faded and we're back to a lose command structure.
Post Wolf 359 era: Starfleet has a renewed military aspect to the point of even building warships like the Defiant and Prometheus following the Borg attack, not to mention a renewed Romulan threat and Cardassian threat the Dominion causing problems as well as Klingons and Maquis making a mess for the Federation as well.
 
2013-07-30 10:18:04 AM  

Great Janitor: meanmutton: Great Janitor: Big Beef Burrito: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.
Agreed.

Somehow, Voyager managed to make Space Indian Terrorist into the dullest character imaginable.

Chakotay's problem was the writer Jeri Taylor.  Jeri Taylor had such a huge girl crush on Captain Janeway that she took away Chakotay's balls to make Janeway look awesome.  Biggest hit to the Chakotay character was in season two where they had the Jonas plot going with Janeway, Paris and Tuvok in on a plot to expose the traitor and when Chakotay asks why he wasn't included on the plot, Janeway doesn't apologize, just says that since he was a maquis, she assumed he could be the traitor.  No Janeway, Chakotay wouldn't be the traitor because he's a former terrorist who you made your first officer.  He'd betray you because you're a giant ball busting biatch.

Chakotay's second problem was that the writers didn't let him do anything without first reminding us that he's Native American.

And no Trek character was as boring as Mayweather on Enterprise.  At least Riker had lines in every episode of TNG.  I think Mayweather had seven consecutive episodes of no lines, just flying the ship.

Mayweather and his clone, Harry Kim from Voyager.  Both of them were completely worthless characters.

Harry Kim was almost ejected from the ship and replaced with Seven of Nine.  However, he got noticed as one of the big stars by TV Guide that year, so the Powers that Be kept Kim and got rid of Kes.  The thing about Harry Kim is that he could have been a great character.  Fresh out of the academy, lost on the far side of the galaxy, he should have had some awesome character growth.  Instead he became the ship's butt monkey.  Worse was I think it was season seven when Kim was talking to his mother via that trick to talk to Earth from across the galaxy and Harry's mother wants to know why Kim was still an ensign and he says that there's no room for promotion ...


Need I remind you, Harry Kim was fake for most the series.

Regular Harry got sucked into space and Alternate Dimension Harry took his place.  He's living with the stigma of not being the real Harry Kim.

Hell, was had a whole episode devoted to the Harry Kim that was formed from that goo puddle on that weird planet.

Harry was constantly getting screwed, but that's because he wasn't real.
 
2013-07-30 10:18:36 AM  

Mugato: Wellon Dowd: Counselor Troi?

What he said. I sense great boredom in this character. And a nice rack.


Was anyone else perturbed that Data spent two decades in Star Fleet, showed excellent tactical skills and knowledge in action repeatedly, yet Troi takes a computer simulated test, that he surely has already taken since he's the ships Second Officer and now she outranks him?
/must be the rack
 
2013-07-30 10:21:04 AM  

born_yesterday: Wellon Dowd: Star Trek has always had trouble understanding military rank.
See, promotions for acts of heroism.
See also, Kirk being "demoted" in order to command Enterprise in the first movie.

Wasn't everyone on TNG an officer except O'Brian?


Even O'Brien was at first... Roddenberry had this weird vision where Starfleet had no enlisted corps by the 24th century. Because apparently you need four years at the Academy to mop floors or troubleshoot replicators. When he kicked, they attempted to remedy it (at least for DS9), but were never able to establish a clear enlisted structure.

And to be fair - the problem of not understanding the difference between officer and enlisted military structure exists among pretty much all SF writers, not just the Trek universe.
-Babylon 5 was close, but still had situations like security personnel being qualified starfighter pilots.
-BSG's writers generally understood the difference to a degree, but lacked clear single leadership among the enlisted.
-Space: Above and Beyond was even worse than Trek - sending highly trained fighter pilots out to do basic footslogging grunt work.
-The 'Gates were hit-and-miss: SG-1 was all officers and civilians, but the other SG teams were shown as having enlisted troops. Atlantis was clueless, but SGU was spot on.
 
2013-07-30 10:21:07 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: Jesus which is worse?


Head hurts contemplating that.
 
2013-07-30 10:22:21 AM  

born_yesterday: Wellon Dowd: Star Trek has always had trouble understanding military rank.
See, promotions for acts of heroism.
See also, Kirk being "demoted" in order to command Enterprise in the first movie.

Wasn't everyone on TNG an officer except O'Brian?


O'Brian started out as a bridge officer.  In the pilot episode he's on the Battle Bridge with Picard as they face Q.  In the 'Best of Both Worlds' he's doing what should have been LaForge's job (Burton had surgery and couldn't film all his scenes so O'Brian filled in).  In 'Redemption' part 2, O'Brian is doing Worf's job on the bridge at Tactical.  Picard and Riker both mentioned in season one that only officers were allowed on the bridge, which is why Wesley was given the rank of acting ensign.  So, O'Brian really couldn't have been enlisted and work at Tactical nor could he be enlisted an work the helm on the Battle Bridge.  But yet, in DS9 he was enlisted.  I think O'Brian was a huge Starfleet fark up, bigger than Lt. Barclay since he went down from officer to enlisted.
 
2013-07-30 10:22:27 AM  
If you had a computer that, every time it was turned on, tried to take over your house, your bank accounts, and the rest of the world, would you shut it off, then make sure it could never do it again?

Yes?  Good.  You're now in charge of the holodeck.
 
2013-07-30 10:25:50 AM  
I liked Riker. He would have been better if they hasn't made him redundant when making Worf more "likable".
 
2013-07-30 10:28:34 AM  

rwhamann: Mugato: Wellon Dowd: Counselor Troi?

What he said. I sense great boredom in this character. And a nice rack.

Was anyone else perturbed that Data spent two decades in Star Fleet, showed excellent tactical skills and knowledge in action repeatedly, yet Troi takes a computer simulated test, that he surely has already taken since he's the ships Second Officer and now she outranks him?
/must be the rack


Season 4 starts off with Picard assigning his bridge crew to temporary command of other ships, Data asks Picard why he wasn't given a ship to command and Picard responds with "I hadn't thought about you as a Starship commander."  Then when he accepts command of the Sutherland, the First Officer tells him "I'm not serving on a ship commanded by an android, and I'm not racist because you are not part of a race!"  Season 7 is when Troi gets promoted over Data.  I don't think it's the rack since Marina Sirtis confirmed it was a padded bra, but Starfleet's dislike of androids.
 
2013-07-30 10:29:06 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Mugato: Whenever you think of a Trek character as boring, think one word....Chakotay.

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Let me tell you about the fox and the scorpion............
 
2013-07-30 10:36:23 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Riker sits down.


Lol this is great. I had to watch the linked star trek the sexed generation as well. That was so horribly funny.

I hurt now.
 
2013-07-30 10:44:59 AM  
Gotta love Frakes:

JF: Oh, I liked it. And I loved going over ontoDeep Space Nine. I was one of its fans. I thought they were very underappreciated. But, you know, the doppelganger is a tried-and-true sci-fi theme. I was just disappointed that they left me in the Cardassian jail, where I'm apparently still sitting, rotting to hell.
 
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