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(IT World)   Researchers are finally putting their minds to figuring out why your cat videos keep buffering   (itworld.com) divider line 22
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2013-07-30 10:58:45 AM  
That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:16 AM  

styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.


Yeah, the answers they gave were summed up as either 'your internet is too slow', 'your ISP sucks' or 'It's someone else's fault'.

And yeah, youtube sucks balls these days.  Even if I drop the vid to a stupidly low res 240p it still seems to take ages to buffer some days.
 
2013-07-30 11:10:06 AM  
It looks like a writer had a quota to fill. That's a whole lot of nothing.
 
2013-07-30 11:10:31 AM  

styckx: Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it.


The sound of one hand clapping: And yeah, youtube sucks balls these days.


Thirded.   I work for an ISP and my connection is (throttled to) about 100mbps.  YouTube still buffers. NOTHING else ever does.
 
2013-07-30 11:11:42 AM  
YT is getting paid for their content.
ISPs are getting paid by the User.

The amount of bandwidth the ISP allocates is getting chunked out big time by YT.
ISP is not getting compensated by YT for the amount of usage by % they are generating/

Because YT is using HUGE amounts of bandwidth across the net and ISP are throttling their asses.
ISPs are requesting agreements with YT that would be result in payment to the ISP for YT bandwidth.

Really though, they are both to blame. ISP have been making mad money in the US and not reinvesting in upgrades. Instead of investing in more bandwidth to handle modern content providers, they are trying to extort money out of them for their share of the bandwidth they generate.

Google Fiber and various municipal ISPs have shown that MUCH higher speeds are available and a profit still to be had. ISPs should improve their service.

YT (Google) is also pushing a lot of content and generating funds of views and adverts. Since they rely on views and content, they should be aware that there is a a grumbling in the viewer community that is getting louder and louder. If something faster and more efficient comes along, it might be a competitor. YT either needs to get more efficient in packaging (using less bandwidth), start paying fees for bandwidth allocation, or roll out Google Fiber a lot faster.
 
2013-07-30 11:21:31 AM  
Too many hairballs clogging up the tubes.
 
2013-07-30 11:23:19 AM  
BHShaman: Because YT is using HUGE amounts of bandwidth across the net and ISP are throttling their asses.

The ISP I work for has been trying to find out why YouTube sucks so badly and looking for ways to improve it. We're not throttling fark all. ISPs (in back-asswards Canada, anyway) profit from bandwidth usage. We charge a ridiculous $2 per gigabyte once over the ridiculously low cap. If YouTube didn't suck balls, we would stand to make MORE money.  Netflix accounts for far more usage (32.3% nightly) than YouTube (17.1%), and Netflix works flawlessly at the highest quality. YouTube struggles at 480p.
 
2013-07-30 11:26:32 AM  
Researchers are finally putting their minds to figuring out why your cat videos keep bufferingFark.com pages keep buffering whenever there's a Sponsored Content link.

FTFY, subs.
 
2013-07-30 11:30:31 AM  
Dragonflew:  We charge a ridiculous $2 per gigabyte once over the ridiculously low cap. If YouTube didn't suck balls, we would stand to make MORE money.

 I was just regurgitating a lot of current post/news articles.


NICE. get on their case then. Maybe if you canuks can get YT to solve their problem then the rest of us in N.America can enjoy the fruits of your labor as well.


For me, it seemed to happen when they started splitting their videos. Someone said it was to allow for load balancing even in the middle of a video to ENHANCE speed. Concept is nice, but does not seem to be working out if that was indeed the intent.
 
2013-07-30 11:34:08 AM  

styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.


Arstechnica has a far more in-depth article about this that they posted a few days ago. Which leads me to wonder why this crappy one got greenlit instead of the one actually explaining what's going on.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/
 
2013-07-30 11:36:29 AM  

BHShaman: NICE. get on their case then. Maybe if you canuks can get YT to solve their problem then the rest of us in N.America can enjoy the fruits of your labor as well.


I image it is low-pri at the moment, we're an independent and staff is stretched pretty thin. Our NOC worked on it a few years ago and somehow managed to make it a tiny bit better, but it still blows. Aside from youtube, my 8mbps and 17mbps connections at home, and my lightning fast one at work, are rock solid.
 
2013-07-30 11:55:20 AM  
Some combination of YouTube, OS X, Firefox, and IPv6 seems to be responsible for most of my problems. My IPv6 is tunneled through a company in California while my IPv4 is in Canada, and this seems to confuse content-delivery algorithms which try to pick the best 'local' cache server.
 
2013-07-30 12:27:35 PM  

envirovore: styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.

Arstechnica has a far more in-depth article about this that they posted a few days ago. Which leads me to wonder why this crappy one got greenlit instead of the one actually explaining what's going on.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/


Wow.. Yep.. That link is the one that should have been greenlit.. Great write up. Thanks!
 
2013-07-30 12:37:57 PM  

styckx: envirovore: styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.

Arstechnica has a far more in-depth article about this that they posted a few days ago. Which leads me to wonder why this crappy one got greenlit instead of the one actually explaining what's going on.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/

Wow.. Yep.. That link is the one that should have been greenlit.. Great write up. Thanks!


You're welcome. I debated submitting it, but I tend to lack the wit for headlines and don't have much luck with them going green anyway.
/shrugs
//back to lurking
 
2013-07-30 01:15:39 PM  
So, it's all ISPs and content providers, and there's basically nothing we can do about it? Thanks.

Get cracking, Internet Monkeys! These cat videos apparently aren't going to load themselves!
 
2013-07-30 01:16:22 PM  

styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.


YouTube sucks lately. Even their crappiest videos frequently seem to give up while buffering. I used to always let them load up in full; now, they often hit about 30% and just stop, sometimes buffering further if I start playing the thing, sometimes not.

I feel as if I am using RealPlayer again.
 
2013-07-30 01:17:08 PM  
envirovore:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/

The best possible answer to this whole business problem is to make the internet a public utility. We did it with water, electricity, roads and it simply seems inevitable to me that sooner or later the internet is going to be the same.
 
2013-07-30 01:18:17 PM  

envirovore: styckx: That didn't answer anything. Specifically why it is only YouTube that is guilty of it. I can stream 1080p Netflix all day long but 1080p YouTube usually loads about 1/3rd and decides to say "fark it" for the rest.

Arstechnica has a far more in-depth article about this that they posted a few days ago. Which leads me to wonder why this crappy one got greenlit instead of the one actually explaining what's going on.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/


Ooh, much better.
We need to get you a headline ghostwriter.
 
2013-07-30 01:40:25 PM  
Because 40 people are watching your stupid cat video at once instead of being a productive worker?
 
2013-07-30 02:51:28 PM  
Yes business deals are involved,
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-bu ff ers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/

But I've noticed that for me sometimes YouTube works fine (for extended weeks long periods) and for similar periods it has bad delay problems. From reading biatching on the internets, people on the other side of the country may have the opposite YouTube experience.

I guess YouTube is in the process of deploying and tuning a video buffering network and it is still a work in progress.
 
2013-07-30 03:23:19 PM  
Or, you use Comcast.  The author forgot that one.

/freaking throttling....
 
2013-07-31 01:30:38 AM  
My buds in That Place Way Up Nawth That Ain't Frakkin Canada are even biatching about how hopelessly sh*tty YT is.

And they've got ridiculously cheap large-bandwidth ISPs.

Ten euros/month for ZOMFGs.
 
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