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(Politico)   "Is a grand bargain out of reach?" Yes, unless Congress magically got replaced by rational, realistic human beings   (politico.com) divider line 26
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2013-07-30 07:29:11 AM
Any chance congress will evolve into something other than two packs of money shills trying to get each others knickers down?
 
2013-07-30 08:35:05 AM
Darn. There goes my dream of cutting Social Security and being forced to financially support my entire family.
 
2013-07-30 09:17:31 AM
God, I hope so.

Seen as the GOP is infinitely retarded, even adopting 10% of their ideas is still infinitely retarded.
 
2013-07-30 09:26:39 AM
One party actively doubts/challenges the validity of the very entity it is elected to govern - historically, that's been a recipe for disaster.
 
2013-07-30 10:00:34 AM
Good. Destroy The GOP 2014. And 2016. And 2018. And 2020. And 2022. And 2024. And Forever.
 
2013-07-30 10:38:51 AM
When one refers to "Congress" as a whole, they're almost always referring to the GOP portion of it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-30 10:40:20 AM
It's time for Constitutional conventions folks.  our politicians aren't going to vote themselves out of the fundraising business.

The non-corrupt people in congress can be counted on one hand.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-30 10:41:18 AM

Solon Isonomia: One party actively doubts/challenges the validity of the very entity it is elected to govern - historically, that's been a recipe for disaster.


It's corporate anarchy.
 
2013-07-30 10:41:46 AM

d23: It's time for Constitutional conventions folks.  our politicians aren't going to vote themselves out of the fundraising business.

The non-corrupt people in congress can be counted on one hand.


Why are we assuming that the delegates to a Constitutional Convention would be any less corrupt?
 
2013-07-30 10:51:46 AM
Grand bargain? Sounds like I'm going to have to get a second job to pay for it.
 
2013-07-30 10:52:33 AM
Good. "Grand bargain" is a euphemism for cutting taxes for rich people and making everyone else pay.
 
2013-07-30 10:54:24 AM

d23: Solon Isonomia: One party actively doubts/challenges the validity of the very entity it is elected to govern - historically, that's been a recipe for disaster.

It's corporate anarchy.


A Continuum, as it were.
 
2013-07-30 11:03:18 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Good. "Grand bargain" is a euphemism for cutting taxes for rich people and making everyone else pay.


That's pretty much what The NYT is reporting that President Obama is offering: cut corporate taxes in exchange for a jobs bill.  Boehner's folks are already shooting it down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/obama-offers-to-cut-co rp orate-tax-rate-as-part-of-jobs-deal.html?hp&_r=0
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-30 11:11:36 AM

grchunt: TofuTheAlmighty: Good. "Grand bargain" is a euphemism for cutting taxes for rich people and making everyone else pay.

That's pretty much what The NYT is reporting that President Obama is offering: cut corporate taxes in exchange for a jobs bill.  Boehner's folks are already shooting it down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/obama-offers-to-cut-co rp orate-tax-rate-as-part-of-jobs-deal.html?hp&_r=0


we need *no* corporate tax cuts.  NONE.
 
2013-07-30 11:23:06 AM
Best case scenario where Obama is concerned is he knows the GOP is so loopy they won't take "yes" for an answer with cutting SS.

Worst case is that he really believes that centrist crap and that a Grand Bargain will somehow cement his place in history as a great leader.
 
2013-07-30 11:42:13 AM

d23: It's time for Constitutional conventions folks.  our politicians aren't going to vote themselves out of the fundraising business.

The non-corrupt people in congress can be counted on one hand.


After 40 years of centralized state curriculum, most Americans don't even know what a Constitutional Convention is or that they they have the ability to change the Constitution.  Besides, American Idol is on.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:28 PM
Done in zero?
 
2013-07-30 01:05:49 PM
Still, complicating matters is that the group doesn't want to be perceived as undermining Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell

Pretty sure McConnell has done everything possible to undermine his own authority considering he filibustered his own bill.
 
2013-07-30 01:09:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: When one refers to "Congress" as a whole, they're almost always referring to the GOP portion of it.


Thank you.  This ^ ^
 
2013-07-30 01:28:45 PM

d23: grchunt: TofuTheAlmighty: Good. "Grand bargain" is a euphemism for cutting taxes for rich people and making everyone else pay.

That's pretty much what The NYT is reporting that President Obama is offering: cut corporate taxes in exchange for a jobs bill.  Boehner's folks are already shooting it down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/obama-offers-to-cut-co rp orate-tax-rate-as-part-of-jobs-deal.html?hp&_r=0

we need *no* corporate tax cuts.  NONE.


mercatus.org

The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD.  The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation.  That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-30 01:35:31 PM

meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.


When congress agrees to remove all the loopholes then I'll agree to it.  As it is right now it's about who has the most lawyers.
 
2013-07-30 01:56:15 PM

d23: meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.

When congress agrees to remove all the loopholes then I'll agree to it.  As it is right now it's about who has the most lawyers.


Yeah.  That is always the rub.
 
2013-07-30 04:02:16 PM

d23: meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.

When congress agrees to remove all the loopholes then I'll agree to it.  As it is right now it's about who has the most lawyers.


And accountants.

Any corporation actually paying anywhere close to 35% needs to hire a new accounting firm.
 
2013-07-30 04:31:22 PM

meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.


It's capitalism.

It's how the system works.

Don't put pretty modifiers in front of it to make you look PC.

It's capitalism.
 
2013-07-30 06:15:56 PM

d23: meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.

When congress agrees to remove all the loopholes then I'll agree to it.  As it is right now it's about who has the most lawyers.


When people demand that the government claim and exert the authority to redistribute wealth, what do you expect the outcome to be?
 
2013-07-30 07:52:37 PM

imashark: meyerkev: The US has the HIGHEST tax rates in the OECD. The problem the US has is that the big boys go to Congress and get their favorite toys excluded from taxation. That's not a free market, it's crony capitalism. I'd much rather have a straight 15% than the BS we have now.

It's capitalism.

It's how the system works.

Don't put pretty modifiers in front of it to make you look PC.

It's capitalism.


Silly me, thinking a free market was part of baseline capitalism.
 
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