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2013-07-30 02:22:45 AM
sharetv.org
 
2013-07-30 02:23:27 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Is this guy on the story?

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]


I see what you did there
 
2013-07-30 02:25:32 AM
www.thecampuscompanion.com

I honestly believe nuclear power is the future.

But things like this are constant reminders that we are not ready yet.

With management enthusiastically demanding greater profit and production, knowing the only way to get that is cutting corners and flouting OHS laws, and taking comfort in knowing someone lower down the chain will give the order, because your only input was "I don't care how you do it, just deliver results!"... we simply cannot give this generation nuclear power plants.  Bad things WILL happen.  Workers and civilians DIE CONSTANTLY at coal/oil/gas plants.  And we think if we give these same managers a nuclear plant, they will suddenly change their ways and say "Okay, THIS time, no cutting corners"?
 
2013-07-30 02:30:47 AM
So, is this a good enough excuse to hike the price of gasoline by 25-50 cents, or what?
 
2013-07-30 02:31:21 AM
Republican lack of regulation FTW!
 
2013-07-30 02:33:32 AM

weltallica: I honestly believe nuclear power is the future.


Then you haven't been paying attention. Electricity doesn't fly 747s across the Atlantic in 6 hours, it doesn't provide feedstock for hundreds of thousands of chemical processes, and it doesn't store well.

weltallica: But things like this are constant reminders that we are not ready yet.


We need massive, MASSIVE social and personal change. We can start by diagnosing what you describe as a mental illness.
 
2013-07-30 02:33:44 AM
I honestly believe nuclear power is the future.
But things like this are constant reminders that we are not ready yet.



I agree. The last thing we need is one of these guys

moviesmedia.ign.com
 
2013-07-30 02:42:42 AM

ongbok: tbeatty: Why do they always put the lumber yard next to the propane plant?  Why not the Boneless Chicken Ranch or the Kobe Beef Free Range facility?  At least the workers would have died for something.

Or a bacon factory. Best smelling fire ever.


Exactly.  Every pig farmer should be required to have a propane factory.  Road Warrior 3 knew this.
 
2013-07-30 02:46:48 AM
Yeah, about that.

So there's this Florida tag about stupid people being pro-active.

To my understanding it DOESN'T have a sheep on it.  Everybody got out.
 
2013-07-30 02:48:55 AM

Aulus: Daaayaaam!  I've got a niece in Ocoee.  I'm sure she and her hubby are getting quite a light show now.


I bet they're delicious.
 
2013-07-30 02:51:29 AM
What happens when propane tanks BLEVE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic-YJYb7xL8
 
2013-07-30 02:53:43 AM

prjindigo: Yeah, about that.

So there's this Florida tag about stupid people being pro-active.

To my understanding it DOESN'T have a sheep on it.  Everybody got out.



Even the sheep?
 
2013-07-30 02:55:29 AM
Does this mean gas is gonna go up another 50 cents?
 
2013-07-30 02:55:32 AM

Mark Ratner: Why can't they just air drop some dirt or water on it? Hose that shiat down. Do your job, firefighters.


If the fire is from structures and other materials burning, yes put it out.  If the fire is from a damaged tank venting gas, protect the exposures and let it burn itself out.  Last thing you need is to put out the fire coming from the tank and then have the atmosphere full of a very explosive mix of fuel and air.
 
2013-07-30 02:58:49 AM

Bunny Deville: Runs_With_Scissors_: WESH Orlando has a chopper in the air and are covering it, as wel.

 http://livewire.wesh.com/Event/Live_updates_Explosions_reported_in_ Tav ares

It's the Blue Rhino plant.

And a lumber yard next to it.

Tell me you're shiatting me. A lumber yard? Really?


Gary Larson may come out of retirement for that one...
 
2013-07-30 03:01:38 AM

gfid: scottydoesntknow: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x339]

/Damn that really sucks
//What's up with these plants exploding?

Leaving the thread satisfied.

/I wish Hank Hill were my neighbor.  I tried to fire up the grill the other day and it's messed up.  I've got propane, but it's coming out before it gets to the burners.  I had to cook my steak in a frying pan.


Check your regulator.

/those things have a tendency to fark up and leave everyone wondering if their grill is dead.
 
2013-07-30 03:07:27 AM

tbeatty: ongbok: tbeatty: Why do they always put the lumber yard next to the propane plant?  Why not the Boneless Chicken Ranch or the Kobe Beef Free Range facility?  At least the workers would have died for something.

Or a bacon factory. Best smelling fire ever.

Exactly.  Every pig farmer should be required to have a propane factory.  Road Warrior 3 knew this.


forum.travian.us

Who run Bacontown?
 
2013-07-30 03:09:13 AM
So we've been watching WESH circle the plant since about 12:30am off and on. There are several areas of concern:

A) trailers full of the "caged" propane bottles you see when Blue Rhino delivers loads or picks up. Okay, I would expect to see that.

B) Numerous Large tanks presumably full for refillng the later, then what looks like the retail cages you'd see outside a Walmart or local area reseller, seemingly full of  propane, or not I really don't know, but you'd have to assume even "empty" bottles are full of volatile vapers...

C) REALLY HUGE FIELDS OF WHAT LOOK LIKE PILES AND PILES OF DISCARDED PROPANE CANISTERS

Somebody with propane bottle recycling experience please tell me somehow that C) is a debris field from the earlier explosion, and day to day operations don't just leave massive dump piles of used propane bottles around like that?

/WTF
 
2013-07-30 03:15:16 AM

corq: So we've been watching WESH circle the plant since about 12:30am off and on. There are several areas of concern:

A) trailers full of the "caged" propane bottles you see when Blue Rhino delivers loads or picks up. Okay, I would expect to see that.

B) Numerous Large tanks presumably full for refillng the later, then what looks like the retail cages you'd see outside a Walmart or local area reseller, seemingly full of  propane, or not I really don't know, but you'd have to assume even "empty" bottles are full of volatile vapers...

C) REALLY HUGE FIELDS OF WHAT LOOK LIKE PILES AND PILES OF DISCARDED PROPANE CANISTERS

Somebody with propane bottle recycling experience please tell me somehow that C) is a debris field from the earlier explosion, and day to day operations don't just leave massive dump piles of used propane bottles around like that?

/WTF



Repair / re-certify or replace?

Cost / benefit analysis.

Think of tire dumps...
 
2013-07-30 03:31:43 AM

weltallica: With management enthusiastically demanding greater profit and production, knowing the only way to get that is cutting corners and flouting OHS laws, and taking comfort in knowing someone lower down the chain will give the order, because your only input was "I don't care how you do it, just deliver results!"... we simply cannot give this generation nuclear power plants. Bad things WILL happen. Workers and civilians DIE CONSTANTLY at coal/oil/gas plants. And we think if we give these same managers a nuclear plant, they will suddenly change their ways and say "Okay, THIS time, no cutting corners"?


The difference is that a single Chernobyl would effectively end nuclear power in the US. They HAVE to be more cautious than other energy facilities.
 
2013-07-30 03:34:28 AM

Amos Quito: Repair / re-certify or replace?

Cost / benefit analysis.

Think of tire dumps...


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-30 03:49:30 AM

corq: So we've been watching WESH circle the plant since about 12:30am off and on. There are several areas of concern:

A) trailers full of the "caged" propane bottles you see when Blue Rhino delivers loads or picks up. Okay, I would expect to see that.

B) Numerous Large tanks presumably full for refillng the later, then what looks like the retail cages you'd see outside a Walmart or local area reseller, seemingly full of  propane, or not I really don't know, but you'd have to assume even "empty" bottles are full of volatile vapers...

C) REALLY HUGE FIELDS OF WHAT LOOK LIKE PILES AND PILES OF DISCARDED PROPANE CANISTERS

Somebody with propane bottle recycling experience please tell me somehow that C) is a debris field from the earlier explosion, and day to day operations don't just leave massive dump piles of used propane bottles around like that?

/WTF


Republican version of Environmental regulation. Be sure to try their seafood, lol.
 
2013-07-30 04:29:07 AM

Apik0r0s: corq: So we've been watching WESH circle the plant since about 12:30am off and on. There are several areas of concern:

A) trailers full of the "caged" propane bottles you see when Blue Rhino delivers loads or picks up. Okay, I would expect to see that.

B) Numerous Large tanks presumably full for refillng the later, then what looks like the retail cages you'd see outside a Walmart or local area reseller, seemingly full of  propane, or not I really don't know, but you'd have to assume even "empty" bottles are full of volatile vapers...

C) REALLY HUGE FIELDS OF WHAT LOOK LIKE PILES AND PILES OF DISCARDED PROPANE CANISTERS

Somebody with propane bottle recycling experience please tell me somehow that C) is a debris field from the earlier explosion, and day to day operations don't just leave massive dump piles of used propane bottles around like that?

/WTF

Republican version of Environmental regulation. Be sure to try their seafood, lol.


It's a bit oily for my tastes.
 
2013-07-30 05:48:42 AM
I like the part of the news where they tell us all about how AAA is trying something new giving discounts at lots of florida recreational parks.  Mmm, informative.
Marketing will end us all.

I just used blue rhino for the first time just last week, now this.  I had nothing to do with it of course, I mean, sure it sounds more suspicious that I feel I have to say so since you probably didn't consider it before I said something but look, don't be paranoid I just wanted some gas for my grill and did an exchange instead of getting it filled at the local gas station this time, it's just a coincidence.

Hope everyone comes through okay.
 
2013-07-30 06:04:46 AM

blottoman: [favim.com image 500x374]


Oh ho, haven't seen Devil Girl in awhile.
 
2013-07-30 06:06:50 AM
What? Spend money on safety gear and procedures?

HELL NO!

We've got shareholders who need their dividends
and politicians who need campaign contributions.
and of course, those ads telling everyone how environmentally responsible we are aren't cheap.
 
2013-07-30 06:08:45 AM
Any updates on the night crew???
 
2013-07-30 06:12:41 AM
That's why I still use coal for my grill.
Thanks Obummer for your war on coal. Useless.
 
2013-07-30 06:13:26 AM

UseLessHuman: I just used blue rhino for the first time just last week, now this.


So I'm not the only one...

/needed to exchange a reeeeeeeally old tank, so it worked out
 
2013-07-30 06:17:15 AM
Is this a bad time to say there is a $3 MIR for Blu Rhino tanks? http://www.bluerhino.com/BRWEB/Tank-Exchange/Coupons.aspx
 
2013-07-30 06:25:52 AM

tbeatty: ongbok: tbeatty: Why do they always put the lumber yard next to the propane plant?  Why not the Boneless Chicken Ranch or the Kobe Beef Free Range facility?  At least the workers would have died for something.

Or a bacon factory. Best smelling fire ever.

Exactly.  Every pig farmer should be required to have a propane factory.  Road Warrior 3 knew this.


t3.gstatic.com

I think this is what you were thinking of.
 
2013-07-30 06:35:47 AM

Marine1: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously though, we should be focused on getting ourselves off of fossil fuels. They are dangerous and polluting.

We need to start thinking about how we can move towards a majority of our power needs coming from renewables and not from fossil fuels.

Pssh. And then what... live in some sort of society where we don't have to worry about this crap anymore?

/but but teh jerbs!


Yeah! What if Global Warming turns out to be a hoax, and we've built a better world for nothing?
 
2013-07-30 06:45:16 AM
filesmelt.com
 
2013-07-30 07:02:41 AM
Send in the Zimmerman
 
2013-07-30 07:03:50 AM
taste the heat not the meat
 
2013-07-30 07:35:05 AM
Blue Rhino a FL company, eh? Who would've guessed. They stand front and center in the ranks of corporate ass-whores (along with their partners in the criminal destruction of America like Home Depot) coring out another American tradition.

I love when people talk about how they "grill out" with their gas burning Chicom-made piece of insta-rust. Do you assbags really trust the Chicom to make you a grill that isn't loaded with heavy metal? What evidence do you have that you aren't cooking up kosher cancer for your kids on that faux stainless abomination you are so proud of? Maybe the heavy metals are where you get your flavor, because it sure isn't from a blue flame.
 
2013-07-30 07:47:37 AM

Bontesla: Any updates on the night crew???


All of them survived
 
2013-07-30 07:47:41 AM
Serves blue rhino right for putting 15 lbs in 25 lb tank.
 
2013-07-30 07:59:33 AM

Deep Contact: That's why I still use coal for my grill.
Thanks Obummer for your war on coal. Useless.


Centralia, PA says "thanks".
 
2013-07-30 08:10:59 AM
She's alight, she's alight, she's alight....propane....

/got nothin
//Eric Clapton's gonna grill me.
 
2013-07-30 08:24:23 AM

Bravo Two: She's alight, she's alight, she's alight....propane....

/got nothin
//Eric Clapton's gonna grill me.


For not knowing that song is a cover.
 
2013-07-30 08:26:05 AM

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: ThatDarkFellow: Why did the trucks explode? Was this intentional or am I missing a part of the story?

From what they're saying on the live feed is that the semis near the plant were full of empty propane tanks, the kind you use with a propane barbeque, but that there's enough residue inside each one of them to make them explosive. One of the things the plant does is fill those propane tanks.


FACTOID: Those barbecue tanks are designed to hold 20 lbs. If you take it to a local refiller, they'll fill it to 20 lbs.

Blue Rhino has been steadily reducing the amount of propane that it puts in these tanks for years: They're down to 15 lbs now - 25% below capacity, because they know consumers are suckers who don't check the label and pay the price.

No, you're not getting stronger, that Blue Rhino propane tank is getting lighter.


When we used a propane grill we were fortunate enough to buy one that came with the bottle and never exchanged it just took it down the street to our local place and they filled it. Fortunate enough I came across another tank to have as a backup. We still have the tanks but ditched our grill and went with a charcoal grill. At one time I worked at a C-store that refilled bottles whether it be the small ones or the big ones someone had rigged up in their pickup for a fuel source. At that time they had just started requiring all bottles to have the OPV. If it didn't have it no fill unless they took it to a certified dealer and got the valve replaced. And when I filled the bottles I never skimped on the propane. If you brought in a tank, I hooked up the line and filled it until the OPV kicked in. Good thing about that you couldn't over fill them and the customers would ask for me when I was working because the other workers would set the bottles on a scale and cut off the gas long before it got full.

/Took one time for me to learn to have my gloves on when I went to disconnect the line. Worse than those little bottles of butane you use to refill a lighter.
 
2013-07-30 08:30:42 AM
I just wanted to come in here and say, I had a hamburger cooked on a propane grill last weekend, and am still literally shaking after hearing this.
 
2013-07-30 08:37:00 AM

Oldiron_79: Bravo Two: She's alight, she's alight, she's alight....propane....

/got nothin
//Eric Clapton's gonna grill me.

For not knowing that song is a cover.


I didn't know that. Guess my puns aren't obscure, either...
 
2013-07-30 08:37:06 AM

LineNoise: I just wanted to come in here and say, I had a hamburger cooked on a propane grill last weekend, and am still literally shaking after hearing this.


www.markstivers.com
 
2013-07-30 08:38:33 AM

Oldiron_79: Bravo Two: She's alight, she's alight, she's alight....propane....

/got nothin
//Eric Clapton's gonna grill me.

For not knowing that song is a cover.


R.I.P., JJ.  I've got that farking Chuck Mangione song stuck in my head, thanks to this thread...
 
2013-07-30 08:42:13 AM
I used to live in Tavares, about 2 miles from there. Worked in the courthouse about 1 mile from there. I have friends who live maybe 5 miles from there who felt their houses shake. Everyone was pretty shook up (no pun intended)
 
2013-07-30 08:49:22 AM

weltallica: [www.thecampuscompanion.com image 600x399]

I honestly believe nuclear power is the future.

But things like this are constant reminders that we are not ready yet.

With management enthusiastically demanding greater profit and production, knowing the only way to get that is cutting corners and flouting OHS laws, and taking comfort in knowing someone lower down the chain will give the order, because your only input was "I don't care how you do it, just deliver results!"... we simply cannot give this generation nuclear power plants.  Bad things WILL happen.  Workers and civilians DIE CONSTANTLY at coal/oil/gas plants.  And we think if we give these same managers a nuclear plant, they will suddenly change their ways and say "Okay, THIS time, no cutting corners"?


In most nuclear plants quality assurance answers directly to the member of the board of directors who is in charge of quality operations, and has an independent budget.  They have the option to shut the whole plant down with no countermanding orders from local or site management, and have a robust whistle blower protection system backed by the extremely powerful NRC.  A squeeky wheel won't just get the grease if they complain to regulators.  If they have cause that company's livelihood will basically be destroyed if they're invested in Nuke.
 
2013-07-30 10:25:55 AM

DarthBart: What happens when propane tanks BLEVE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic-YJYb7xL8


When propane tanks bluff?

gotchamovies.com
 
2013-07-30 11:05:06 AM
Hank reacts
i43.tinypic.com
 
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