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(AL.com)   The first opponent for Chip Kelly's fast paced offense isn't NFL defenses, it's NFL refs   ( al.com) divider line
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2013-07-30 06:41:58 AM  
Is it going to be faster than what New England ran the past two seasons?
 
2013-07-30 06:55:31 AM  
The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.
 
2013-07-30 07:21:50 AM  
so the officials don't hurry up their ball handling unless it's the 2 minute drill.  So time doesn't matter until it does.  Whatever.  I've always thought that as long as a ball is in an officials hands, the clock can't run.  Soon as he puts it on the turf, it starts up again.  Why be penalized for slow refs?
 
2013-07-30 07:22:00 AM  
The broadcasters want more consistent time between plays, and that's basically the end of the discussion.

The NFL's primary responsibility is towards the entities that pay the bills. It's a marketing construct.
 
2013-07-30 07:27:14 AM  
Doucheball Saban strikes again.
 
2013-07-30 07:31:29 AM  
They sound concerned.

Mayhap they should don a pair of trousers tailored to an adult male.
 
2013-07-30 07:46:28 AM  
So they want to keep a boring game boring.
Perhaps if it is too fast for the players and the fans they could put a blue or red blob around the ball so everyone could follow it.
 
2013-07-30 07:50:43 AM  

grokca: So they want to keep a boring game boring.
Perhaps if it is too fast for the players and the fans they could put a blue or red blob around the ball so everyone could follow it.


A fast-paced offense is the only thing that has me interested in the NFL/Eagles this year.
 
2013-07-30 08:09:50 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I've always thought that as long as a ball is in an officials hands, the clock can't run.


You're thinking of basketball.
 
2013-07-30 08:10:55 AM  

grokca: So they want to keep a boring game boring.
Perhaps if it is too fast for the players and the fans they could put a blue or red blob around the ball so everyone could follow it.


StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg
 
2013-07-30 08:16:32 AM  

abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.


This is stupid, and you should feel stupid for posting it. Draft a smaller, faster team and use their skills to maximize your effectiveness. It's a completely valid mentality.
 
2013-07-30 08:20:51 AM  

abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.


Complaining about the hurry up is for pussies.
 
2013-07-30 08:26:08 AM  
FTA: "We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," said NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush (unless) it's in the two-minute drill.""

Thanks conservative NFL execs, we wouldn't want pro football to get too exciting!
 
2013-07-30 08:29:25 AM  

He_Hate_Me: FTA: "We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," said NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush (unless) it's in the two-minute drill.""

Thanks conservative NFL execs, we wouldn't want pro football to get too exciting!


The NFL and its broadcasters make all their money between plays.
 
2013-07-30 08:34:57 AM  
Numbers and quality.  46 elite to very good players per NFL team rather than the 100+ very good-to-average players that Kelly had at Oregon.  Kelly could send in his 3rd string WR for a few plays to give the better guys a blow and it's not that big of a difference in quality.  NFL teams might not even be 3-deep and if they are, that 3rd guy maybe worked at Walmart last summer.
 
2013-07-30 08:38:13 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Numbers and quality.  46 elite to very good players per NFL team rather than the 100+ very good-to-average players that Kelly had at Oregon.  Kelly could send in his 3rd string WR for a few plays to give the better guys a blow and it's not that big of a difference in quality.  NFL teams might not even be 3-deep and if they are, that 3rd guy maybe worked at Walmart last summer.


The Patriots ran the same high-tempo offense last year.

The Bills did it 20 years ago.
 
2013-07-30 08:41:34 AM  

abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.


Strange, the ability to run the hurry-up strikes me as a component of "skill."
 
2013-07-30 08:46:14 AM  
It's not going to matter all that much if Vick is the started. Can't have a hurry up offense if the QB is constantly turning the ball over and hurting himself.
 
2013-07-30 08:49:05 AM  

Aarontology: It's not going to matter all that much if Vick is the started. Can't have a hurry up offense if the QB is constantly turning the ball over and hurting himself.


Kelly has also repeatedly said that quick, smart decision making may be even more important in his offense than pure athletic skill. What part of that describes Vick?
 
2013-07-30 08:52:49 AM  
"We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do,"

Translation:  We want to make these games as long as possible so that we can stuff in more TV time-outs, which of course, means more commercials and more revenue for the NFL.
 
2013-07-30 08:53:35 AM  

balki1867: He_Hate_Me: FTA: "We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," said NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush (unless) it's in the two-minute drill.""

Thanks conservative NFL execs, we wouldn't want pro football to get too exciting!

The NFL and its broadcasters make all their money between plays possessions.


FTFY.  And good lord, I can't believe all the whining in this thread that football is a boring game without the hurry-up offense.  The Eagles will be an interesting team for a few weeks but it's not like they're going to be a major draw once it's clear they will only win four or five games all year.
 
2013-07-30 08:54:52 AM  

MugzyBrown: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Numbers and quality.  46 elite to very good players per NFL team rather than the 100+ very good-to-average players that Kelly had at Oregon.  Kelly could send in his 3rd string WR for a few plays to give the better guys a blow and it's not that big of a difference in quality.  NFL teams might not even be 3-deep and if they are, that 3rd guy maybe worked at Walmart last summer.

1) The Patriots ran the same high-tempo offense last year.

2)The Bills did it 20 years ago.


1)The Patriots draft better than every other team in the league.  If anybody has the depth to keep up, it's them.

2) BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry, I know those teams were solid and...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAWIDERIGHT...and have nothing to be ashammmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALEONLETTGAVEAWAYATDANDSTILL52-17HAHAHAHA...ah em...I'm just not used to seeing the Bills as anything but a punchline...snerk.

Seriously, I'm for anything that is legal and pressing on the gas pedal is great.  I just think you will see 'roid monsters exploding hammys and guys looking for their kneecaps.  Those guys will have big contracts rather than disposable scholarships.
 
2013-07-30 08:59:04 AM  

MugzyBrown: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Numbers and quality.  46 elite to very good players per NFL team rather than the 100+ very good-to-average players that Kelly had at Oregon.  Kelly could send in his 3rd string WR for a few plays to give the better guys a blow and it's not that big of a difference in quality.  NFL teams might not even be 3-deep and if they are, that 3rd guy maybe worked at Walmart last summer.

The Patriots ran the same high-tempo offense last year.

The Bills did it 20 years ago.


And will do it this year. Marrone learned the K-Gun offense from Kelly himself.
 
2013-07-30 08:59:54 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: 2) BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry, I know those teams were solid and...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAWIDERIGHT...and have nothing to be ashammmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALEONLETTGAVEAWAYATDANDSTILL52-17HAHAHAHA...ah em...I'm just not used to seeing the Bills as anything but a punchline...snerk.


Also, I'm sorry you're ignorant of football history. How many Super Bowls did your team get to in a row again?

The K-Gun is the blueprint for today's high-pace offenses, including Chip's.
 
2013-07-30 09:00:07 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FTFY. And good lord, I can't believe all the whining in this thread that football is a boring game without the hurry-up offense. The Eagles will be an interesting team for a few weeks but it's not like they're going to be a major draw once it's clear they will only win four or five games all year.


Trust me, it's between plays.  That's when they ask the Aflac trivia question, present the Chevy Player of the Game and plug season 12 of American Idol (and they pay the NFL more in TV rights because they know they'll have the time to do that).  The NFL will keep its network partners happy.
 
2013-07-30 09:00:49 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Aarontology: It's not going to matter all that much if Vick is the started. Can't have a hurry up offense if the QB is constantly turning the ball over and hurting himself.

Kelly has also repeatedly said that quick, smart decision making may be even more important in his offense than pure athletic skill. What part of that describes Vick?


That's a good point too. I do think Vick can play on that level, but he's also one of those players that if he gets rattled, his play quality drops significantly, which would really screw with the type of offense Kelly wants to run.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vick beings as the starter, but I would be very surprised if it's not Foles by the middle of the season.
 
2013-07-30 09:01:54 AM  

balki1867: AdmirableSnackbar: FTFY. And good lord, I can't believe all the whining in this thread that football is a boring game without the hurry-up offense. The Eagles will be an interesting team for a few weeks but it's not like they're going to be a major draw once it's clear they will only win four or five games all year.

Trust me, it's between plays.  That's when they ask the Aflac trivia question, present the Chevy Player of the Game and plug season 12 of American Idol (and they pay the NFL more in TV rights because they know they'll have the time to do that).  The NFL will keep its network partners happy.


Also usually done between possessions when there are no commercials.  Between plays they show 200 replays of the previous play, which generates no ad revenue.
 
2013-07-30 09:02:02 AM  

BunkyBrewman: "We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do,"

Translation:  We want to make these games as long as possible so that we can stuff in more TV time-outs, which of course, means more commercials and more revenue for the NFL.


Nope, the NFL wants their games to clock in between 3 hours and 3:15. That's their advertising model.
 
2013-07-30 09:07:14 AM  

Gonz: BunkyBrewman: "We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do,"

Translation:  We want to make these games as long as possible so that we can stuff in more TV time-outs, which of course, means more commercials and more revenue for the NFL.

Nope, the NFL wants their games to clock in between 3 hours and 3:15. That's their advertising model.


And it still will last that long, even with the hurry-up offense.  The Eagles' drives will use less clock time, which means the real time of the game will go longer.  And there will be more possessions, which means more change of possession, which means more ads.
 
2013-07-30 09:11:34 AM  

You Are All Sheep: so the officials don't hurry up their ball handling unless it's the 2 minute drill.  So time doesn't matter until it does.  Whatever.  I've always thought that as long as a ball is in an officials hands, the clock can't run.  Soon as he puts it on the turf, it starts up again.  Why be penalized for slow refs?


If the refs move the same speed for both teams, no one is being penalized.
 
2013-07-30 09:12:12 AM  

dragonchild: You Are All Sheep: I've always thought that as long as a ball is in an officials hands, the clock can't run.

You're thinking of basketball.


Actually, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of baseball.
 
2013-07-30 09:14:01 AM  

abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.


It's a gimmick that only works if you have a good quick release QB who can keep the chains moving AND a good D. A couple bad series and you're likely dealing with your OWN D being gassed unless they also managed a quick stop.
 
2013-07-30 09:18:45 AM  

Deneb81: abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.

It's a gimmick that only works if you have a good quick release QB who can keep the chains moving AND a good D. A couple bad series and you're likely dealing with your OWN D being gassed unless they also managed a quick stop.


Perhaps 'gimmick' was less appropriate than - tactic. It's not widely applicable to all teams based on typical team make-up - and probably wouldn't be as effective if it were more common.
 
2013-07-30 09:27:53 AM  

balki1867: AdmirableSnackbar: FTFY. And good lord, I can't believe all the whining in this thread that football is a boring game without the hurry-up offense. The Eagles will be an interesting team for a few weeks but it's not like they're going to be a major draw once it's clear they will only win four or five games all year.

Trust me, it's between plays.  That's when they ask the Aflac trivia question, present the Chevy Player of the Game and plug season 12 of American Idol (and they pay the NFL more in TV rights because they know they'll have the time to do that).  The NFL will keep its network partners happy.


Why haven't they slowed down the Patriots and other fast-paced offenses?
 
2013-07-30 09:33:42 AM  

abhorrent1: The hurry up is for pussies. You're not good enough to beat the other team based on skill so you have to try and catch them off-guard. And it only works for so long until the better team adjusts to it.


The hurry up weeds out the pussies. You're not strong enough to beat the other team on strength, so when they don't give you time to sit on your ass  and make the game drag along, you don't know how to adjust.

Football has turned into 95% standing around, if that isn't already enough for your team, maybe water ballet is more your speed?
 
2013-07-30 09:34:40 AM  
Interesting tactic... They can't figure out how to beat the hurry up offense, so rather than develop a defense that can react quickly to a dynamic situation, they whine and try to get the rules changed.
 
2013-07-30 09:43:06 AM  

Mikey1969: Interesting tactic... They can't figure out how to beat the hurry up offense, so rather than develop a defense that can react quickly to a dynamic situation, they whine and try to get the rules changed.


Wow. I'm used to seeing some bad takes on here, but this might set the bar for uninformed opinions. The NFL's Vice President of Officiating is trying to beat the hurry-up offense? That's definitely a new low. We are all dumber for having read this.
 
2013-07-30 09:46:51 AM  
Also, Chip Kelly is about to learn why college coaches don't typically adapt well to the pro game. You'd think an NFC East team would know that an offense that puts up 70 points per game in the NCAA doesn't translate to the NFL.

Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.
 
2013-07-30 09:48:26 AM  

Gonz: Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.


So because Spurrier was a lazy coach and tried to win with Danny Wuerffel, Chip Kelly cannot succeed.
 
2013-07-30 09:49:05 AM  

Mikey1969: Interesting tactic... They can't figure out how to beat the hurry up offense, so rather than develop a defense that can react quickly to a dynamic situation, they whine and try to get the rules changed.


STRONG TAEK.
 
2013-07-30 10:01:22 AM  

MugzyBrown: Gonz: Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.

So because Spurrier was a lazy coach and tried to win with Danny Wuerffel, Chip Kelly cannot succeed.


Lou Holtz with the Jets.
Mike Riley with the Chargers.
Rich Brooks with the Rams.
Bobby Petrino with the Falcons.
Butch Davis with the Browns.
Dennis Erickson with the 49ers.

Pete Carroll is pretty much the exception, and even he's been a fairly mediocre NFL coach. 6-10 with the Jets, 27-21 (1-2 in the playoffs) with the Patriots, 25-23 (2-2) with the Seahawks. And his calling card is defense, which translates better to the professional game.
 
2013-07-30 10:01:37 AM  

MugzyBrown: So because Spurrier was a lazy coach and tried to win with Danny Wuerffel, Chip Kelly cannot succeed.


College coaches coming into the NFL often learn that the speed advantage their team might've exhibited and relied upon in college does not exist in the NFL.

Also, running an extra twenty plays per game on average just means that Michael Vick will have twenty more opportunities to turn over the ball.
 
2013-07-30 10:01:49 AM  

Gonz: Also, Chip Kelly is about to learn why college coaches don't typically adapt well to the pro game. You'd think an NFC East team would know that an offense that puts up 70 points per game in the NCAA doesn't translate to the NFL.

Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.


To be fair, the problems with the Spurrier Redskins weren't limited to having a college coach. It was limited by having shiatty, shiatty players and a terrible owner.

Let's look at some of the Spurrier -era skill positions for the Redskins:

QB
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel*
Tim Hasselbeck

RB
Stephen Davis
Kenny Watson
Trung Canidate
Ladell Betts

WR
Rod Gardner
Derrius Thompson
Kevin Lockett
Darnerian McCants
Chris Doering*
Willie Jackson*
Laveranues Coles
Patrick Johnson

The ones marked with a * are ones that I feel Spurrier can be directly blamed for.

Even a coaching Voltron of Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek & 1980s Joe Gibbs couldn't get a good team out of that shower of shiat. Only Stephen Davis and Patrick Ramsey could even be considered as making a roster on non-Redskins teams.
 
2013-07-30 10:03:15 AM  

Gonz: Lou Holtz with the Jets.
Mike Riley with the Chargers.
Rich Brooks with the Rams.
Bobby Petrino with the Falcons.
Butch Davis with the Browns.
Dennis Erickson with the 49ers.


Nick Saban with the Dolphins
 
2013-07-30 10:03:33 AM  
"We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," said NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino

What in the furious f*ck kind of comment is that?  Officials making themselves the story instead of being invisible.  It's a thankless and we saw how little they're appreciated just last year.

The hurry up offense is everything that's right about the NFL.  More plays.  More action.  Fewer substitutions.  Less waiting around.


/All the NFL has to do now is get rid of the TV timeouts after a score and immediately again after a kickoff and we'll be in business.  Those NFL rascals will make a name for themselves one of these days!
 
2013-07-30 10:04:49 AM  

Gonz: MugzyBrown: Gonz: Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.

So because Spurrier was a lazy coach and tried to win with Danny Wuerffel, Chip Kelly cannot succeed.

Lou Holtz with the Jets.
Mike Riley with the Chargers.
Rich Brooks with the Rams.
Bobby Petrino with the Falcons.
Butch Davis with the Browns.
Dennis Erickson with the 49ers.

Pete Carroll is pretty much the exception, and even he's been a fairly mediocre NFL coach. 6-10 with the Jets, 27-21 (1-2 in the playoffs) with the Patriots, 25-23 (2-2) with the Seahawks. And his calling card is defense, which translates better to the professional game.


Jim Harbaugh.. oh wait he's doing well.
 
2013-07-30 10:08:21 AM  

Gonz: Also, Chip Kelly is about to learn why college coaches don't typically adapt well to the pro game. You'd think an NFC East team would know that an offense that puts up 70 points per game in the NCAA doesn't translate to the NFL.

Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.


The Pats ran a version of Kelly's offense last year.  Of course it helps to have a Brady and Welker and Gronkowski and (nevermind), but they led the NFL with 557 points last year.  Denver was second with 481.
 
2013-07-30 10:11:24 AM  

MugzyBrown: The Bills did it 20 years ago.


Marv Levy copied Sam Wyche's offense and somehow got credit for it.

/after biatching about it.
 
2013-07-30 10:12:32 AM  

MugzyBrown: Gonz: MugzyBrown: Gonz: Ask the Redskins about the Spurrier years.

So because Spurrier was a lazy coach and tried to win with Danny Wuerffel, Chip Kelly cannot succeed.

Lou Holtz with the Jets.
Mike Riley with the Chargers.
Rich Brooks with the Rams.
Bobby Petrino with the Falcons.
Butch Davis with the Browns.
Dennis Erickson with the 49ers.

Pete Carroll is pretty much the exception, and even he's been a fairly mediocre NFL coach. 6-10 with the Jets, 27-21 (1-2 in the playoffs) with the Patriots, 25-23 (2-2) with the Seahawks. And his calling card is defense, which translates better to the professional game.

Jim Harbaugh.. oh wait he's doing well.


Jim Harbaugh ran a pro-style offense at Stanford and it was pretty obvious he was looking to be an NFL coach.  Those other coaches wanted to translate their college styles to the NFL, Harbaugh did the opposite.

And it's not as if Chip Kelly has been anywhere near as successful on even the collegiate level as most of the coaches on the list above.
 
2013-07-30 10:22:31 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Jim Harbaugh ran a pro-style offense at Stanford and it was pretty obvious he was looking to be an NFL coach.  Those other coaches wanted to translate their college styles to the NFL, Harbaugh did the opposite.

And it's not as if Chip Kelly has been anywhere near as successful on even the collegiate level as most of the coaches on the list above


To say the college coaches can't win in the NFL is idiocy.  Why? Because it's happened already and there is no logic behind it.

If Chip/Howie draft well they'll be successful.

Really in today's NFL, if they get a QB they'll be in the playoffs pretty much every year.
 
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