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2013-07-29 11:56:34 PM  
fark all that. That's twenty things this 40-something doesn't get either, thank god. Sounds horrible. You're supposed to drink a lot in your 20s, not show up early for work like some goob.
 
2013-07-30 01:50:49 AM  
HOLY CRAP!
I would kill the author if I had to work for her.
WHAT an asshole.

"I think everyone else should be here early in the morning. fark everyone who isnt a morning person."
shudder
what a tool
 
2013-07-30 01:50:55 AM  
This pushing-40 Gen-Xer would like to state for the record that being pushed to your limits daily is fine if you want to be a wall-street trader.

If you just want a decent enough job to have a reasonably comfortable life, it will just grind your soul into a fine powder until you're as dead inside as a wall-street trader.
 
2013-07-30 01:52:12 AM  
Those sound like 20 great pieces of advice if you want to have a successful business life as an office drone never bucking the system, but pretty much crap advice if you want to have an interesting and enjoyable life.

Then again, I'm not exactly financially successful, so who am I to judge?

/still, having a pretty great time and interesting life and I'm mid-30s
 
2013-07-30 01:53:36 AM  
Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.
 
2013-07-30 01:58:17 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.


Well sure, that's understandable. You're 40.

I on the other hand am 60, so I ignored the article altogether. With age comes wisdom (usually).
 
2013-07-30 02:08:52 AM  
20 year old women don't get enough loving from me. that's what.

ladies, call me!
 
2013-07-30 02:11:43 AM  
I was expecting this to be a humorous piece, about 20+ year old show references, Cheers finale stuff, X-Files references...

Instead, it's an article from someone I'd never ever want to work for (again).

/Had a boss like this.
//If you weren't at your desk at 9, he left a note asking where you were
///Even if he could see you over the cube wall, talking to another coworker, about work
 
2013-07-30 02:14:15 AM  
"Meryl Streep inThe Devil Wears Prada would be the most valuable boss you could possibly have."

i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-30 02:15:13 AM  
I saw a six year old asking what a CD was...
 
2013-07-30 02:16:46 AM  

wildcardjack: I saw a six year old asking what a CD was...


Tell him "it's what the DoD uses to move data around, since they aren't allowed to use USB thumb drives".
 
2013-07-30 02:18:08 AM  

phlegmmo: CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.

Well sure, that's understandable. You're 40.

I on the other hand am 60, so I ignored the article altogether. With age comes wisdom (usually).


I'm 30, read the whole thing. You might be onto something.

I'd also never want to work with such a wonder twunt. First in and last out? Maybe if you're a lawyer or broker, but in general? Naaaah. Gotta give yourself some down time or you'll burn out.
 
2013-07-30 02:19:46 AM  
FTFA:  "Working for someone that demands excellence and pushes your limits every day will build the most solid foundation for your ongoing professional success."


A whole lot of bosses have read this, and are going to go into work tomorrow and demand workers work even more, for even less.  And think themselves great leaders.

CONGRATS.
 
2013-07-30 02:20:55 AM  
Lets see what 20-year-olds don't get: a healthy future, a worthwhile college education, the ability to pay back on college debts by working, a well paying future career, a career, a well paying job, a full time job, a non-temp/seasonal job, a job where you're given reasonable duties and responsibilities in consideration to the money you're being paid, a living wage, buying into the lie that "If I only work harder for my employer, I will be well compensated and look forward to advancement in my job in a year or two", a healthy planet, a future.
 
2013-07-30 02:23:50 AM  
AT age 34, online business resources entrepreneur Jason Nazar

Bless us with your age old wisdom, wise one...

Time is not a limitless commodity

So true, no matter how rich your are, there is one commodity you can't buy - time (in bulk anyway, rich people live longer, but even that only buys you a couple years). Live your life, you only have one. Don't spend it all at the office thinking money you have no time to spend will make you happy.

Be the first in & last to leave

WTF?
 
2013-07-30 02:25:17 AM  
21. They should get off my lawn.
 
2013-07-30 02:29:52 AM  
Your reputation is priceless, don't damage It

Says online business resources entrepreneur Jason Nazar.

That would be Jason Nazar, online business resources entrepreneur.

Jason Nazar

Jason Nazar
 
2013-07-30 02:31:28 AM  
1. No one is irreplaceable.

2. Dont drink too much at office partys.

3. Learn to golf.

FTA : You may not know what to do, but your professional idol does. I often coach my employees to pick the businessperson they most admire, and act"as if" try and emulate their professionalism.

That one's not entirely worthless.
 
2013-07-30 02:32:00 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Lets see what 20-year-olds don't get: a healthy future, a worthwhile college education, the ability to pay back on college debts by working, a well paying future career, a career, a well paying job, a full time job, a non-temp/seasonal job, a job where you're given reasonable duties and responsibilities in consideration to the money you're being paid, a living wage, buying into the lie that "If I only work harder for my employer, I will be well compensated and look forward to advancement in my job in a year or two", a healthy planet, a future.


A lot of older people aren't getting that either.
 
2013-07-30 02:32:43 AM  
That is probably the most useless article I've ever read, it should be titled 'how to keep a terrible job you will hate'

The only decent piece of advice in it is "Social media is not a career"
but not for the reason's that article is saying. Mainly its because social media is easy and anyone can do it on top of their regular responsibilities.
 
2013-07-30 02:33:20 AM  

wildcardjack: I saw a six year old asking what a CD was...


I wonder what the kid would have thought of an LP...

/ancient
 
2013-07-30 02:34:03 AM  
Ok young people, you want an actual "pro tip"

Don't spend your time doing shat that's impressive. You won't get paid extra, and someone will probably just steal it anyway.

Spend it making the little amount of shat you do look impressive.
 
2013-07-30 02:34:30 AM  

bingethinker: DarkSoulNoHope: Lets see what 20-year-olds don't get: a healthy future, a worthwhile college education, the ability to pay back on college debts by working, a well paying future career, a career, a well paying job, a full time job, a non-temp/seasonal job, a job where you're given reasonable duties and responsibilities in consideration to the money you're being paid, a living wage, buying into the lie that "If I only work harder for my employer, I will be well compensated and look forward to advancement in my job in a year or two", a healthy planet, a future.

A lot of older people aren't getting that either.


Yeah, it's depressing and is increasing in terms of scope these days, especially since it seems that no job is safe from termination and/or cheap employers.
 
2013-07-30 02:38:41 AM  
Hmmm this exact same list was on Forbes last week.

Also this is advice that has been offered to every generation (except for the social media thing).  20 year olds will either already know this stuff and apply it to their lives already or they will continue to ignore the advise.  These are things that I heard when I was that age and I didn't really do anything about it.  Sure I wish I had a time machine sometimes, but my point is that no amount of telling 20 year olds to do something is going to change how they are.  You really only gain that sort of "wisdom" through experience or you were already raised with it and it is ingrained in your personality.
 
2013-07-30 02:39:25 AM  
Definitely do not photoshop your boss's head into gay porn and then email it to the entire office, including him. While this may seem like an awesome idea, it may hurt future employment opportunities
 
2013-07-30 02:39:31 AM  

grath: The only decent piece of advice in it is "Social media is not a career"
but not for the reason's that article is saying


I loved that part.

Yeah, sure, social media is just a fad that will be dead in 5 years. Just like I heard, in the 90s, that the Internet was just a fad like CB's.
 
2013-07-30 02:40:47 AM  
FTFA Pick up the phone - Stop hiding behind your computer. Business gets done on the phone and in person. It should be your first instinct, not last, to talk to a real person and source business opportunities.

 Bullshiat.  Business never gets done on the phone.  It gets done over e-mail, sms, IM, and in person.  Never over the fark'n phone.
/is the author of this article 90 years old?//i'm 40something and call basically everything on this list bullshiat
 
2013-07-30 02:40:47 AM  
One thing that 20 year olds get that the writer doesn't:  Laid.
 
2013-07-30 02:40:55 AM  
That dumbass needs to meet an INTP.
 
2013-07-30 02:41:28 AM  

gingerjet: FTFA Pick up the phone - Stop hiding behind your computer. Business gets done on the phone and in person. It should be your first instinct, not last, to talk to a real person and source business opportunities.

 Bullshiat.  Business never gets done on the phone.  It gets done over e-mail, sms, IM, and in person.  Never over the fark'n phone.
/is the author of this article 90 years old?//i'm 40something and call basically everything on this list bullshiat


So is fark broken now?
 
2013-07-30 02:41:29 AM  
Half of that was no-shiat stuff like "don't trash-talk the boss if you want promotions", the other half was useless stuff.

And at one point it says that social media jobs "won't exist in 5 years", which is laughably inaccurate.  As long as old people hoard all of the money and young people know all of the tech, our old bosses will continue to want us youngins to use the interwebs to advertise and promote the company.  Those who can regularly make things go viral will make the big bucks, and those regular people who can bring in more business than spamming the local radio stations (and for cheaper) will ALWAYS have jobs.
 
2013-07-30 02:42:11 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.


This.

/and I'm only 30
 
2013-07-30 02:43:14 AM  
Look -- i'm 20 and some of the stuff makes sense. Like being willing to pitch in when work is being done even if its not in your job description. I cant belive my dad got that shiat drilled into my head. If you are standing around with your hands in your pockets while someone else is busting ass then gtf in there and help... Or the stuff about not talking shiat in the workplace. I cant stand it when i'm surrounded by biatchy people at work. Being polite and having a nice positive attitude is important and makes work allot less stress on everyone.

But the rest of that shiat. The rest of that is shiat. My dad taught me all i need to know about working.
Just farking do it and then its over with.
Do it once and do it right so you dont have to deal with this shiat again.
Just focus on your own task and dont worry about how everyone else is a money wasting idiot.
Nobody likes a keener.


You are not your job -- You work to bring in a paycheck -- not to polish the knob of some faceless middle manager or corperation who will never love you or pay you what you are really worth. You dont get rich working for other people. If you are putting in 110% then you better damnwell be a partner or an owner. Otherwise your getting farked. And getting farked for a paycheck makes you a whore. Its hard to enjoy/be enthusiastic about life when your a whore.
 
2013-07-30 02:44:06 AM  
I am at work and most of the third shifters I have working for me are in their early 20's.

I am printing this article and giving it to them with highlighting.

/there is no future for them at this company.
//me either.
///but they pay me enough to have what I (and two other people) consider to be a dream house. And a whole mess of kids.
//damn it
/what have I done?
 
2013-07-30 02:44:28 AM  

GloomCookie613: phlegmmo: CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.

Well sure, that's understandable. You're 40.

I on the other hand am 60, so I ignored the article altogether. With age comes wisdom (usually).

I'm 30, read the whole thing. You might be onto something.

I'd also never want to work with such a wonder twunt. First in and last out? Maybe if you're a lawyer or broker, but in general? Naaaah. Gotta give yourself some down time or you'll burn out.


And I will add, chalk up another 30 yr old to reading *almost* all of it.

/read way too much.
//mostly out of perverse fascination that anyone could think that was *good* advice.
 
2013-07-30 02:45:28 AM  

mamoru: Those sound like 20 great pieces of advice if you want to have a successful business life as an office drone never bucking the system, but pretty much crap advice if you want to have an interesting and enjoyable life.

Then again, I'm not exactly financially successful, so who am I to judge?

/still, having a pretty great time and interesting life and I'm mid-30s


I'm somewhat financially successful and I agree. People have studied this. Once you have enough money to cover the basics where money no longer causes daily stress (around $60,000 annually), extra money does little for self-reported happiness.

Then again I hate studies that rely on self-reporting...
 
2013-07-30 02:45:30 AM  

bingethinker: DarkSoulNoHope: Lets see what 20-year-olds don't get: a healthy future, a worthwhile college education, the ability to pay back on college debts by working, a well paying future career, a career, a well paying job, a full time job, a non-temp/seasonal job, a job where you're given reasonable duties and responsibilities in consideration to the money you're being paid, a living wage, buying into the lie that "If I only work harder for my employer, I will be well compensated and look forward to advancement in my job in a year or two", a healthy planet, a future.

A lot of older people aren't getting that either.


I was about to say...

DarkSoulNoHope: bingethinker: DarkSoulNoHope: Lets see what 20-year-olds don't get: a healthy future, a worthwhile college education, the ability to pay back on college debts by working, a well paying future career, a career, a well paying job, a full time job, a non-temp/seasonal job, a job where you're given reasonable duties and responsibilities in consideration to the money you're being paid, a living wage, buying into the lie that "If I only work harder for my employer, I will be well compensated and look forward to advancement in my job in a year or two", a healthy planet, a future.

A lot of older people aren't getting that either.

Yeah, it's depressing and is increasing in terms of scope these days, especially since it seems that no job is safe from termination and/or cheap employers.


Here's what I don't get. I live in a hipsterish/changing neighborhood. It was pretty low-profile and rough when I moved here 12 years ago. There were few restaurants, lots of second-hand stores, poor old people.

Now the street looks like this:

hair salon - hair salon - restaurant - tattoo parlor - hair salon - restaurant - hair salon - hair salon - restaurant - tattoo parlor - hair salon - restaurant - nail salon
hair salon - restaurant - tattoo parlor - hair salon - restaurant - bizarre clothes store/restaurant combo - coffee shop - hair salon
restaurant - tattoo parlor - hair salon - restaurant - hair salon - hair salon - coffee shop

No one produces anything. I see 20-somethings walking around talking about buying buildings, I see 25 year old cashiers buying 400000$ condos.

How does this work? How many people can get their entire bodies tattooed while eating out every single day and keep money circulating that way?
 
2013-07-30 02:50:22 AM  
As a 34-year-old who has owned two businesses, I say the author can take his highly effective horseshiat and shove it up his coffee enema'd asshole.

Anyone who tells you to act like an executive while you get paid like a janitor is trying to make you his biatch. He's probably one of those over-compensating middle-managers who waxes his Audi every weekend and dreams of holding conference calls while on the 12th green. Watch his lazy ass like a hawk and go over his head every chance you get.
 
2013-07-30 02:51:32 AM  
Now, we can't offer you much beyond your initial salary, but the experience you'll gain will take you places. Other places, because once your skill set is way above your pay grade we'll dump you.

Sadly, other companies will pick you up for chump change and then do the same. Eventually, this will affect you because your resume will signal to like minded employers that you can't hold down a job for some unknown reason.
 
2013-07-30 02:51:48 AM  

namatad: HOLY CRAP!
I would kill the author if I had to work for her.
WHAT an asshole.

"I think everyone else should be here early in the morning. fark everyone who isnt a morning person."
shudder
what a tool


NotSureIfSerious.jpg
 
2013-07-30 02:54:13 AM  
Yeah, what someone completely out of touch with modern business practices advises all newcomers: suck it up and suck up.

Never come in early / stay late unless they're paying you for every minute.  Never assume your phone call will be answered.  Employers expect that you've bounced from one shiatty job to one that pays just a little more or offers a little more happiness.  Grow into your own skin, don't pretend to be someone you're not.
 
2013-07-30 02:59:06 AM  

GloomCookie613: phlegmmo: CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.

Well sure, that's understandable. You're 40.

I on the other hand am 60, so I ignored the article altogether. With age comes wisdom (usually).

I'm 30, read the whole thing. You might be onto something.

I'd also never want to work with such a wonder twunt. First in and last out? Maybe if you're a lawyer or broker, but in general? Naaaah. Gotta give yourself some down time or you'll burn out.


Jebus, is this really what the majority thinks? Now I'm as far from a morning person as possible, but I understand putting in the hours makes a difference.

/If the job is paying less than $55,000 or so annually and has little opportunity for reasonably timed promotions,  fark what I said.
 
2013-07-30 03:00:37 AM  
We're more productive in the morning
Not everyone is a morning person, and not everyone wants to deal with the morning rush hour. If you're flexible with your employees, they'll bend over backwards to reciprocate. A manager of mine once told us in a department meeting that we absolutely needed to be at our desks working when our shifts started. No getting coffee, no turning on your computer; you should've gotten there 5 minutes early if you wanted coffee and a powered-up computer. Someone raised their hand and pointed out they had a 25-mile commute, and traffic fluctuates wildly from day to day. The manager's response? We choose to live where we live, and we need to factor in traffic. Of course, our office was in La Jolla, and the manager lived in Del Mar, and none of us peons could afford to live within 10 miles of our office. (HINT: Mitt Romney's Nth house in La Jolla.)

Pick up the phone
Only old people think that. Old people who never figured out how to do that email or messenger doohickey. If you think that, you're old and you should retire.

You should be getting your butt kicked
 This is complete bullshiat. The best manager I ever had mentored me, provided me the tools to learn my trade, and was never a dick to me. I worked my ass off for my boss and my employer, and my boss worked his ass for me. (My employer, not so much later on.) In one particularly memorable 18-month period, I got 3 raises. And in the 9 years I was his employee, I got a total of 4 promotions and my salary more than doubled. When I started, I was second-from the bottom of the totem pole in the entire, huge corporation. When I left I was an officer. I followed him to two different departments and it's because of him that I wasn't laid off in 2005 with the rest of our department. He treated me with respect, like a human being. Despite the fact that the company laid me off after 12 years (after they did a re-org and moved him out from our department, where he had no authority to coerce upper management that I was worth keeping), we still keep in touch. He demanded excellence and pushed me to become a skilled worker, but he wasn't ever an asshole about it, and more importantly, he provided me with the tools and the time to reach my potential. I would never want to work for the author, because he sounds like an asshole.


You HAVE to build your technical chops - Adding "Proficient in Microsoft Office" at the bottom of your resume under Skills, is not going to cut it anymore. I immediately give preference to candidates who are technical ninjas regardless of their job position.
If you think that, then you're part of what's wrong with America today. Not everyone needs to be an advanced Excel or Access user, or a certified blahblahblah, especially not right out of college. You expect too much for college grads getting their first jobs. Give them the job, give them the space and guidance to grow and they'll become the kind of employee you want. But don't disqualify some grad for a data analyst job because she's "only" an advanced user of MS Access and doesn't have a certificate from some shiatty executive training course that costs $1500.

Read more books, less tweets/texts
This guy is the oldest 34-year-old I've ever met. I say that as an avid book-reader, mostly historical non-fiction. I bet this dude wouldn't last 5 minutes in the politics tab.

Spend 25 per cent less than you make - When your material needs meet or exceed your income, you're sabotaging your ability to really make it big. Be willing and able to take 20 per cent less in the short term, if it could mean 200 per cent more earning potential.
And what if you're making so little that you can't afford to save 25%? My first real job paid a whopping $11.50 an hour and I had a roommate and no car payment. I can't imagine trying to support a family on that. As for that underlined part, is he saying people should be willing and able to make 20% less money now because they might make 200% more later? In this day and age? Whatever.

TL/DR: This guy acts old and is full of shiat, and he's also really condescending. I say this as someone who is several years older that the author. What a twat.
 
2013-07-30 03:01:25 AM  

impaler: Just like I heard, in the 90s, that the Internet was just a fad like CB's.


Absolutely no one thought the Internet was a fad, except, maybe, John Dvorak.
 
2013-07-30 03:02:27 AM  
1. Good point.
2. Good point.
3. Oldster's POV.  Wakefulness patterns change as we age, favoring morning hours later in life. It's a biological thing, not cultural.
4. Good point.
5. Oldster's POV again. Learn to use your dang e-mail.
6. First in last out? How to be a chump.
7. Umm, this is the opposite of what many bosses want. GLWT.
8. Good point.
9. Butt-what? No. Working it chump-style again.
10. Depends. Two or three short jobs will not tank your resume.
11. Mm-hmm. Here's your "Welcome to Chumpsville" sign.
12. Good point.
13. Good point.
14. Good point
15. How are you supposed to manage that when you're busy being first in and last out?
16. Yeah, dedicate more of your scarce social time to valued work friends. Quiz: How do work friends differ from real friends? Work friends drop you like a hot rock when you suffer personal problems.
17. How to be a tool.
18. Excellent advice! You've still got plenty of time left, right?
19. Good point.
20. Good point.
 
2013-07-30 03:04:31 AM  
21. All doing all of the things above, your boss will hand you a layoff to increase the size of his bonus.
 
2013-07-30 03:05:41 AM  

gadian: Yeah, what someone completely out of touch with modern business practices advises all newcomers: suck it up and suck up.

Never come in early / stay late unless they're paying you for every minute.  Never assume your phone call will be answered.  Employers expect that you've bounced from one shiatty job to one that pays just a little more or offers a little more happiness.  Grow into your own skin, don't pretend to be someone you're not.


"YOU need a 'not' pair of California assholes telling you what to do.  Come to Wisconsin, the water is fine.
 
2013-07-30 03:05:53 AM  

digistil: namatad: HOLY CRAP!
I would kill the author if I had to work for her.
WHAT an asshole.

"I think everyone else should be here early in the morning. fark everyone who isnt a morning person."
shudder
what a tool

NotSureIfSerious.jpg


Did you read the article? He said people are most productive early in the morning. Granted, I've written some of my best code at 2 am, but I don't think that's what he meant by "early morning."
 
2013-07-30 03:07:52 AM  

digistil: GloomCookie613: phlegmmo: CPT Ethanolic: Here's 1 thing this 40 yr old knows - 5 lines into that article it became painfully obvious it was 100% a waste of my time.

Well sure, that's understandable. You're 40.

I on the other hand am 60, so I ignored the article altogether. With age comes wisdom (usually).

I'm 30, read the whole thing. You might be onto something.

I'd also never want to work with such a wonder twunt. First in and last out? Maybe if you're a lawyer or broker, but in general? Naaaah. Gotta give yourself some down time or you'll burn out.

Jebus, is this really what the majority thinks? Now I'm as far from a morning person as possible, but I understand putting in the hours makes a difference.

/If the job is paying less than $55,000 or so annually and has little opportunity for reasonably timed promotions,  fark what I said.


So like...most jobs then?

/not saying your wrong, just that the jobs that would actually help on are so few and far between...
 
2013-07-30 03:08:03 AM  

E5bie: 3. Oldster's POV.  Wakefulness patterns change as we age, favoring morning hours later in life. It's a biological thing, not cultural.


Toughen up, slacker.
 
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