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2013-07-30 01:07:18 PM

FarkedOver: jigger: And are you going to make some arbitrary distinction between "personal property" and private property?

No.  I mean private property in the sense of property that has been used to oppress the working class, i.e. factories and other business establishments.

I like that you came in here "concerned" with questions about unions, when all you really wanted to do was shiat on them.  Don't come in here asking questions.  Come in here and defend your pro-business point of view instead of shrouding it in concern.


I was initially intrigued by the subheadline that said the workers were calling for a "right to unionize." They have a right to unionize. No one is stopping them.

I'm not being "pro-business" or "anti-union." I'm just describing the reality of the situation.

So property is only private property when it's being used, in your eyes, to "oppress the working class." Except that if private property didn't exist that factory (or whatever) wouldn't even exist and your workers wouldn't have that job. At least they wouldn't be oppressed, right?
 
2013-07-30 01:09:04 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: a Marxist society needs to seize capital from a preceding capitalist society to succeed


Isn't that what Marx said? Capitalism is a natural progression followed by communism then socialism. To him, it's inevitable.
 
2013-07-30 01:09:33 PM

MugzyBrown: You're trying to compare Walmart and Costco as if they are the same when they are very different companies. It's like criticizing Mcdonalds for not paying their workers like those at Le Bernardin. They both sell prepared food, right?


Sams and Costco share a very similar market. Sams is part of the Walmart corporation.

Also I would like to see a wage study on dishwashers and line cooks at Le Bernardin. Most restaurants do pay their low skill employees a low wage.
 
2013-07-30 01:20:48 PM

jigger: Debeo Summa Credo: a Marxist society needs to seize capital from a preceding capitalist society to succeed

Isn't that what Marx said? Capitalism is a natural progression followed by communism then socialism. To him, it's inevitable.


No.  It goes socialism then communism.  Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat.  Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
 
2013-07-30 01:20:54 PM
because Wages are such a huge cost to food retailers?  A few years back McDonald's DOUBLED the average wage of the migrant farm workers who picked their tomatoes.  How? By increasing the price they paid for tomatores by ONE PENNY per pound on the condition it be passed on to the workers. given you get ten slices out of 1/2  lb tomato that works out to 1/20 of a cent per burger that comes with tomato (of which the cheapest one is the $1.99 McDouble)
 
2013-07-30 01:24:47 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: First off, you are farking nuts if you don't think there was a capitalist class in Russia before the revolution. Private property, including farms and factories, were seized by the Bolsheviks. Some of those might have been owned by nobles or whatever, but they were still used in profit making capitalist ventures.

But if your pathetic excuse was true, you would be admitting fully that a Marxist society needs to seize capital from a preceding capitalist society to succeed - ie Marxist societies can't develop and thrive on their own because under marxism, no new capital assets are created.


I think it was more feudal than it was capitalist.  There really wasn't a lot of industrialism in Russia at the time.  I'm not saying there wasn't a capitalist element, I'm saying there had not been enough industrialization in Russia at that time to warrant a socialist revolution.  It was like forcing a square peg in a round hole.

That is what I am saying.  The period after capitalism is socialism then followed by communism.  Marx understood the necessity of capitalism he also understood that it one day would end.  What would replace it? Dictatorship of the proletariat in the eyes of Marx.  Marx was in awe of capitalist production, he just was a scholar on what capitalism is and what it does.
 
2013-07-30 01:47:52 PM
Jesus. I leave for 8 hours, and this thread is just Randroids arguing with Communists. WTF?
 
2013-07-30 01:56:51 PM

TopoGigo: Jesus. I leave for 8 hours, and this thread is just Randroids arguing with Communists. WTF?


More like communist.  Not many people are sympathetic to leftist causes in North America.
 
2013-07-30 02:11:05 PM
TopoGigo
Jesus. I leave for 8 hours, and this thread is just Randroids.....

Oh hell, THAT'S what they are? Randroids??? No WONDER they come across as robots!
 
2013-07-30 02:16:57 PM

TopoGigo: Jesus. I leave for 8 hours, and this thread is just Randroids arguing with Communists. WTF?


What is ironic about it is that Randroids (Anarcho-Capitalists) and Anarcho-Communists are each about 2 clicks further down each extreme from flopping over to the other side.
 
2013-07-30 02:29:01 PM
You know , if your only skills means you have to work at McD's maybe you shouldn't have had the four kids.
 
2013-07-30 02:30:25 PM

CujoQuarrel: You know , if your only skills means you have to work at McD's maybe you shouldn't have had the four kids.


As others have said greed is human nature, which is why capitalism works...... is it not true that propagation of the human species is human nature as well? We cannot fault her for her human nature.
 
2013-07-30 03:11:26 PM

SCUBA_Archer: /NO mustard


Fun fact: McDonald's (and other fast food places) in the NYC metro area do not put mustard on their burgers.
 
2013-07-30 04:02:30 PM
Related: NY legislature voted to increase minimum wage from $7.25 to $9.00 per hour.

This was signed into law 4 months ago.

The fact that the strikers didn't know this ought to tell you something.
 
2013-07-30 04:21:06 PM

OwnTheRide: Related: NY legislature voted to increase minimum wage from $7.25 to $9.00 per hour.

This was signed into law 4 months ago.

The fact that the strikers didn't know this ought to tell you something.


Yeah, 9 dollars by 2015! Great job NY!

The budget raised the minimum wage from $7.25/hour to $9/hour over three years, beginning with $8 by the end of 2013, $8.75 by the end of 2014, and $9 by the end of 2015, the governor said.
 
2013-07-30 04:55:27 PM

pueblonative: Yeah the old sarcastic "well if giving the cat water is so good for it let's just drown the farker" response.


OK, so draw the line for me.  If raising it from 7.50 to 10 is good, why not 15?  Where should the minimum wage be and what will the end result be once its there?  I have a feeling you, like most people dont know but raising it "A little bit" seems like a good answer so you roll with it.

FarkedOver: This statement here is so farked up, I just don't even know.....


It isn't farked up.  You just dont understand what money is.  The whole reason why man invented currency is to give durability to things that are perishable.  A farmer will find it tough to barter because at a certain point his crop will spoil if he cant find the right person to barter with so he exchanges a unit of his labor so that the egg or potato that he farmed can be traded for something which someone else would value but not necessarily in that instant.

You and I are both perishable and so we convert our labor and time, which our employer values into money, hoping one day to pass it on so that the fruits of our work can go on even when we are worm food.

FarkedOver: No.  It goes socialism then communism.  Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat.


Actually, it goes Aristocracy, revoution, aristocracy by those who call themselves socialists and pretty much ends right there.
 
2013-07-30 05:23:21 PM

cybrwzrd: MugzyBrown:  There are many factors that make this point moot.  First, Costco still isn't paying their labor more than the value they bring to the company.   Second, Costco and Walmart have different customer bases.  Poor people are dependent on the cheap goods and food found at Walmart and cannot afford to shop at Costco (are there any Costcos in poor neighborhoods?)  It's weird I search for Costco around me and they are all in the suburbs, but Walmarts can be found in some rough neighborhoods in North Philly.
Costco receives 3xs more revenue per employee than Walmart.  Not because they pay them more, but because they have different customer bases and are located in different markets.

Poor people like those employed at Walmart, a company notorious for keeping hours to the minimum to prevent the need to pay for benefits and that has a department dedicated to assisting employees to get government assistance, is in no way culpable to creating the need for cheap goods and food? It is self perpetuating. Pay people less, they need cheaper food, which means you pay people less, ad infintium. The employees at Costco are able to afford to shop at stores like Costco which sells higher quality goods made by other higher paid workers,which allows other higher paid workers to shop at Costco. Also Ad infintium. Same coin, different side.


As a Costco employee, i get a kick out of these threads.
 
2013-07-30 07:27:08 PM

Great Janitor: Want a job paying $15/hour? Apply for jobs paying $15/hour. Getting hired at McDonald's, getting told "We're going to pay you $7.25/hour." and you say "Okay." does not allow you to biatch and moan that you're not making enough money.

Well, the first thing I do is not take a job that I can't afford.  If your monthly expenses are more than $1,500, you can't afford to work at McDonalds.


Not take a job you can't afford?  Do you have a trust fund or something?  Speaking as someone who started out as a $3.35/hour minimum-wage McDonalds employee at age 15, if your monthly expenses are more than $0, you'd best be taking on whatever job(s) you can to pay for them.

$1,500/month sounds about right for my mortgage, home equity loan and credit card payments, combined.I'm guessing that's not far from the US average - and it's far below average in my state, where the average monthly mortgage payment alone is $3,000+.  But then there's the wife (who hasn't yet found work since she moved here 2.5 years ago) and the toddler, and the bun-in-the-oven...

My full-time hourly job, which pays a bit under $22/hour, or a tiny bit above the national average, isn't  quite enough to really make ends meet.  So I have a part-time hourly one (which will mostly dry up come December and go away completely sometime next year), and another occasional one.  All of them pay pretty much around the same.  I try to keep my schedule full, so 50-60 hour weeks are common.  And I'm looking for new opportunities.  Always.  The occasional job recently let me try my hand at a different position where I can put in 4-6 hours on a weekend and get $37/hour.  That was a big deal, since I can now demonstrate that someone out there thinks one of my skills is worth that much.  Don't know when I'll get to do that again, though.
 
2013-07-30 08:59:18 PM

dbirchall: But then there's the wife (who hasn't yet found work since she moved here 2.5 years ago) and the toddler, and the bun-in-the-oven...


I can see expecting the wife and toddler to find jobs, but at least let the new one be born before shoving him/her out the door to get an interview.
 
2013-07-30 09:12:28 PM

FarkedOver: Under worker control or under a dictatorship of the proletariat, removal of the profit motive (greed, which is not human nature) is key. The replacement of the betterment of society is what should replace the profit motive.


[Citation needed]
 
2013-07-30 09:51:49 PM

Mr. Eugenides: FarkedOver: Under worker control or under a dictatorship of the proletariat, removal of the profit motive (greed, which is not human nature) is key. The replacement of the betterment of society is what should replace the profit motive.

[Citation needed]


Show me the citation that it is.  And if you've bothered to read anything else I've written regarding that, I already stated what human nature is.  Check it.
 
2013-07-30 10:20:08 PM

FarkedOver: Mr. Eugenides: FarkedOver: Under worker control or under a dictatorship of the proletariat, removal of the profit motive (greed, which is not human nature) is key. The replacement of the betterment of society is what should replace the profit motive.

[Citation needed]

Show me the citation that it is.  And if you've bothered to read anything else I've written regarding that, I already stated what human nature is.  Check it.


Cite anything published in an academic journal that argues that greed isn't human nature.  Based on your response I'm pretty sure you can't.

Greed, by necessity exists in any system where demand is greater than supply.  Trees compete for sunlight.  Dogs and toddlers compete for toys.  Hummingbirds fight over flowers.

Building an economic system that ignores that reality is to court failure.  But somehow every year new college freshmen discover Marx and his failed ideology.
 
2013-07-30 10:26:59 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Cite anything published in an academic journal that argues that greed isn't human nature. Based on your response I'm pretty sure you can't.

Greed, by necessity exists in any system where demand is greater than supply. Trees compete for sunlight. Dogs and toddlers compete for toys. Hummingbirds fight over flowers.

Building an economic system that ignores that reality is to court failure. But somehow every year new college freshmen discover Marx and his failed ideology.


Human nature is the ability of humans to adapt to different social circumstances.

You believe that because a human is capable of greed you take that to mean greed is human nature.

I quite think my definition is bit clearer and yours just fits your shiatty free market narrative.
 
2013-07-31 01:13:54 AM

ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

What is ridiculous is that companies pay people low wages to do crap jobs. In a reasonable, logical world, people should be offered more to do jobs nobody wants to do to compensate them for the trouble. This is how broken and topsy-turvy our world is.

I don't think McDonalds would qualify under jobs nobody wants to do when compared to the really terrible, physically demanding jobs no one wants to do


Spoken as someone who has never worked a fast food job before.
 
2013-07-31 02:34:39 AM

LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

What is ridiculous is that companies pay people low wages to do crap jobs. In a reasonable, logical world, people should be offered more to do jobs nobody wants to do to compensate them for the trouble. This is how broken and topsy-turvy our world is.

I don't think McDonalds would qualify under jobs nobody wants to do when compared to the really terrible, physically demanding jobs no one wants to do

Spoken as someone who has never worked a fast food job before.


That's spoken as someone who spent 10 years in retail. I've paid my dues, twat. If you don't think there aren't any jobs that are worse than McDonalds you are delusional.
 
2013-07-31 03:57:55 AM

ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

What is ridiculous is that companies pay people low wages to do crap jobs. In a reasonable, logical world, people should be offered more to do jobs nobody wants to do to compensate them for the trouble. This is how broken and topsy-turvy our world is.

I don't think McDonalds would qualify under jobs nobody wants to do when compared to the really terrible, physically demanding jobs no one wants to do

Spoken as someone who has never worked a fast food job before.

That's spoken as someone who spent 10 years in retail. I've paid my dues, twat. If you don't think there aren't any jobs that are worse than McDonalds you are delusional.


Define "worse". There are plenty of jobs that are more physically demanding than McDonald's. There are plenty where you work in the blazing sun or the driving snow. Many of those jobs pay minimum wage. There are few jobs that combine poor--not awful, but poor--working conditions with low, low pay, customer abuse, purposely exploitative scheduling, uncertain pay from week to week, and the certain knowledge that you're merely a cog in a machine to be replaced if you make the slightest disturbance in the force. Hell, at least Walmart workers come home clean and well hydrated.

If you really want to know what a crap job McDonald's is, try working at a library. You take no sh*t from customers or management. You work in a climate controlled environment. Your tasks are simple, if menial. You're not responsible for cash. You don't have to separate your work clothes while doing laundry so your entire wardrobe doesn't smell like french fries. You don't have to wash your face with Dawn soap once a week to prevent explosive acne. You don't have to shower right when you get home so your spouse might want to have sex with you. You don't have all your sheets stained with grease on your side of the bed despite showering after work. You don't wake up in the middle of the night hearing the drive-thru ding, or the fryer timers beeping in your head. You don't get called in to work three hours after you get home. You never have to work until 1am and be back at 5am. Your boss will never f*ck with your schedule from week to week just to make sure that you don't develop a life outside of work so you're always available to come in at a moment's notice.

Then think about the fact that your cushy little library job pays the same as McDonald's.
 
2013-07-31 04:51:25 AM
I work in a restaurant in Canada, at what I consider a high level for their requested wage, plus 1$/hour in tips.

Servers make double that, but we'll just leave that alone because my income is subsidized by my long term partner's server's earnings.

The point is everyone in back of house is paycheck to paycheck except for those with spouses who have real jobs not suited for our skillsets. This has little to do with intellectual ability where I work, perhaps bootstrappiness. But the fact that childless professionals who work a high stress job required by society have a hard time paying rent sometimes without assistance is a symptom of a sick society. Discussing wealth inequality is not class warfare, neither is doubling minimum wage a simple process. There would be severe problems.

But working within reasonable terms, change is a moral obligation. The sociopathy of capitalists, becoming brazen in a way that confuses me while leaving me in awe is counterproductive and is pushing left-leaning people like myself towards communist discussions.

Would it surprise anyone to know that over the last few years political discussion has become far more prevalent in kitchens, with a common theme? I'm sure it's happening in all the lower middle class industries becoming more and more exploited.

A meritocracy is not a good idea, and anyone who believes in bootstraps is either an an exploiter or exploitee in denial. Paying people a living wage denies you the smug superior feeling of punishing them for not being as awesome as you. After all, being born on second counts as a double.

But perhaps someone not being poor in the richest set of nations on earth doesn't take away from your accomplishments. Walk a mile in their shoes you farking self-righteous assholes.
 
2013-07-31 04:59:34 AM

TopoGigo: ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

What is ridiculous is that companies pay people low wages to do crap jobs. In a reasonable, logical world, people should be offered more to do jobs nobody wants to do to compensate them for the trouble. This is how broken and topsy-turvy our world is.

I don't think McDonalds would qualify under jobs nobody wants to do when compared to the really terrible, physically demanding jobs no one wants to do

Spoken as someone who has never worked a fast food job before.

That's spoken as someone who spent 10 years in retail. I've paid my dues, twat. If you don't think there aren't any jobs that are worse than McDonalds you are delusional.

Define "worse". There are plenty of jobs that are more physically demanding than McDonald's. There are plenty where you work in the blazing sun or the driving snow. Many of those jobs pay minimum wage. There are few jobs that combine poor--not awful, but poor--working conditions with low, low pay, customer abuse, purposely exploitative scheduling, uncertain pay from week to week, and the certain knowledge that you're merely a cog in a machine to be replaced if you make the slightest disturbance in the force. Hell, at least Walmart workers come home clean and well hydrated.

If you really want to know what a crap job McDonald's is, try working at a library. You take no sh*t from customers or management. You work in a climate controlled environment. Your tasks are simple, if menial. You're not responsible for cash. You don't have to separate your work clothes while doing laundry so your entire wardrobe doesn't smell like french fries. You don't have to wash your face with Dawn soap once a week to prevent explosive acne. You don't have to shower right when you get home so your spouse might want to have ...


So you're going with the Chewbacca defense? I'm not even sure what you are trying to tell me. What does another job that pays the same as McDonalds that isn't awful have to do with me saying there are jobs that are worse?
 
2013-07-31 05:18:29 AM
Actually,  do non-first-job jobs, places other than McDonald's, actually pay minimum wage any more?  I did McDonald's, starting at minimum wage, for a summer when I was in high school.  From the next summer on, I've had a lot of jobs, some salaried but many hourly, and I don't recall any of them paying minimum.  I guess I always figuredhaving work experiencemeant you got at least a little bit more than minimum.  Plant nursery laborer building greenhouses?  Student worker shelving books in libraries?  Second- or third-shift computer stuff?  Temp doing data entry?  Temp packing electronics for shipment?  Temp making little blocks out of big blocks in a cheese factory?  Temp running a telescope?  As far as I can remember, they all paid more than minimum, and less than double it.

Even  stayingat McDonald's, I have to wonder how someone goes a decade without earning  any raises. There's not a whole lot of room between "so bad you don't get a single raise in ten years" and "so bad they fire your ass."
 
2013-07-31 05:42:47 AM
Oh, and as I complain and we all argue about what people 'deserve':

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2013-07-31 05:47:10 AM
fark Ethiopia
 
2013-07-31 05:57:04 AM
I can't imagine you as someone interesting to talk about things with. Feel free to refrain from referencing me or my posts.
 
2013-07-31 06:03:08 AM

inclemency: I can't imagine you as someone interesting to talk about things with. Feel free to refrain from referencing me or my posts.


Oh no. I'm now devastated.
 
2013-07-31 06:16:47 AM

ThatDarkFellow: inclemency: I can't imagine you as someone interesting to talk about things with. Feel free to refrain from referencing me or my posts.

Oh no. I'm now devastated.


I certainly hope not. Mutually non-beneficial relationships are best culled.

So when I remember that after my tirade on how terrible things are for Mcdonalds' employees and others I intended to try to add perspective by pointing out that the working class in Western countries have it bad only in comparison to the elite while billions worldwide would enjoy the circumstances we reside in, but forgot, and try to rectify that quickly and that prompts an (likely drunken) insensitive response.... Well there's
not much to discuss. Take care Fellow of Darkness.
 
2013-07-31 07:18:48 AM
McDonald's workers around "here" aren't worth $2 an hour. You have to repeat your order 2-3 times, whether in the drive through or at the counter. Then there is a 50% chance your order will be wrong. It is nice when you get a double order of something, for single price.
 
2013-07-31 09:05:41 AM

Pick: McDonald's workers around "here" aren't worth $2 an hour. You have to repeat your order 2-3 times, whether in the drive through or at the counter. Then there is a 50% chance your order will be wrong. It is nice when you get a double order of something, for single price.


Maybe if wages were higher they would attract better quality employees, and you wouldn't have to repeat your order 2-3 times.
 
2013-07-31 09:34:05 AM

CokeBear: Pick: McDonald's workers around "here" aren't worth $2 an hour. You have to repeat your order 2-3 times, whether in the drive through or at the counter. Then there is a 50% chance your order will be wrong. It is nice when you get a double order of something, for single price.

Maybe if wages were higher they would attract better quality employees, and you wouldn't have to repeat your order 2-3 times.


If I was getting paid minimum wage I would take that to mean you get my minimum effort.  Pay all workers a living wage and you will see a major uptick in productivity.
 
2013-07-31 09:35:02 AM

CokeBear: Pick: McDonald's workers around "here" aren't worth $2 an hour. You have to repeat your order 2-3 times, whether in the drive through or at the counter. Then there is a 50% chance your order will be wrong. It is nice when you get a double order of something, for single price.

Maybe if wages were higher they would attract better quality employees, and you wouldn't have to repeat your order 2-3 times.


Of that I'd probably agree, I tend to find that most people that work there (at least the younger ones, but this might be true of the age bracket in general) tend to not give a shiat about their work, they're just there like it's required to be there for X hours and then leave.  They go through the motions, but ultimately don't care...

Also I tend to notice that instead of having a team of people each focusing on certain tasks, they under hire and expect the window person taking the orders to do every day thing... it's no surprise errors happen all the time or they don't hear what you want.
 
2013-07-31 09:56:14 AM

LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: LoneWolf343: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

What is ridiculous is that companies pay people low wages to do crap jobs. In a reasonable, logical world, people should be offered more to do jobs nobody wants to do to compensate them for the trouble. This is how broken and topsy-turvy our world is.

I don't think McDonalds would qualify under jobs nobody wants to do when compared to the really terrible, physically demanding jobs no one wants to do

Spoken as someone who has never worked a fast food job before.


Yeh, Um ... I've worked at McDs, and it's actually very very very light work - there is little phyiscal stress, long hours maybe, but it's easier than any kind of factory work, way easier than any outdoors work (yes, I worked the Grill) ...

And, Apparently, It pays better than a highly technical job like ... advanced welding...
 
2013-07-31 09:59:32 AM

KellyX: CokeBear: Pick: McDonald's workers around "here" aren't worth $2 an hour. You have to repeat your order 2-3 times, whether in the drive through or at the counter. Then there is a 50% chance your order will be wrong. It is nice when you get a double order of something, for single price.

Maybe if wages were higher they would attract better quality employees, and you wouldn't have to repeat your order 2-3 times.

Of that I'd probably agree, I tend to find that most people that work there (at least the younger ones, but this might be true of the age bracket in general) tend to not give a shiat about their work, they're just there like it's required to be there for X hours and then leave.  They go through the motions, but ultimately don't care...

Also I tend to notice that instead of having a team of people each focusing on certain tasks, they under hire and expect the window person taking the orders to do every day thing... it's no surprise errors happen all the time or they don't hear what you want.


First off I think quality matters even in fast food. I prefer Wendy's because the quality of the food is better, somehow as well as the quality of the service. I once got a free frosty simply because the wait time between my order was longer than usual. Meanwhile the last McDonald's I went to had one worker doing everything, and quality of the food was worse than Wendy's and in general the place looked less clean.

Secondly I think you get what you pay for. Good workers aren't going to stay around forever with some exceptions. Older workers tend to be the exception, because younger workers seem to have realized that its bullshiat to work harder than you need to or for much longer than you need to at a crap job. Meanwhile the good workers move on to something better, leaving the crappy ones behind.

In general, my generation the Millennial is less loyal and more likely to move on to something better. Then again, why should we be loyal to companies that think employees are just another expense that can be cut to increase stock prices?

Anyway, I guess my point is if you want good customer service you have to pay for it, or the company has to pay for it, otherwise you're going to get shiat. Especially when you have so many people writing off these people to begin with. So where is the incentive for them to not be shiatty employees eh?
 
kab
2013-07-31 10:01:12 AM

cybrwzrd: With a consumer economy like what we have, we need consumers. If you undervalue your labor you shrink the pool of consumers, which creates the tailspi

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Exactly right.   Wage disparity is quite damaging for the long term health of any economy.
 
kab
2013-07-31 10:03:45 AM
*high* wage disparity, I mean.

/coffee
 
2013-07-31 10:08:09 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ThatDarkFellow: 7.25 is too low, yes. 15 is ridiculous, though. There are people who work jobs that require an actual skill or education that can't even find work for 15/hr right now.

Why is $15 ridiculous, especially in a major city with a high cost of life like NYC?  I do agree that more skilled professions should be paid even more.  Don't look at it as McDonalds employees asking to be overpaid, look at it as people finally starting to stand up to our current reality of record corporate profits and historically high wage inequality.  All non-executive employees should be demanding more pay.

As to the headline, McDonalds is welcome to charge $4 for a cheesburger, and they'll be pushed out of the market if they do.  It's time to take some of those huge profits and put them towards employee wages - the people at the top end take a little bit less of the pie and give the people who actually do the work their fare share.


And then those $15/hr employees will be out of jobs and you see this as a good thing?
 
2013-07-31 10:11:56 AM
I love how so many people think they should get to weigh in on how much the person ringing up your order should get paid. I have no doubt that during a lunch rush in NYC, Being a burger flipper is more skilled and desired than being a Banker or Marketeer or Lawyer. Being able to serve up fifty burgers a minute is not an easy thing to do, and being paid a fraction of the several hundred dollars you provide as income is not unreasonable.

/also : Have you seen the rents in NY?
 
2013-07-31 10:12:31 AM
Finally : You know that the AVERAGE wage in NYC is $150,000, right?
 
2013-07-31 10:22:22 AM

rubi_con_man: Finally : You know that the AVERAGE wage in NYC is $150,000, right?


After rent and the basic cost of living, that's probably just scraping by.  It isn't much better here in Boston.
 
2013-07-31 12:39:30 PM

MBK: How about not paying their CEOs millions of dollars to...

What exactly DO CEOs do?

I mean for a company like McDonalds.  You are pretty much one of the most recognizable symbols in the world.  Your food is sold all over the place.  You introduce a new burger every year.

What the fark does a CEO do that requires millions of dollars?


Maintaining shareholder expectations by being the 'bad guy' who has to tell folks that doubling their salary isn't going to happen. A CEO is literally someone you hire so people have someone to be happy at or angry at w/o actually affecting anything.

Oh, our company did something terrible? We fired the CEO; buy our stuff.
 
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