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2013-07-29 08:03:47 PM  
8 votes:
Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.
2013-07-29 08:13:57 PM  
7 votes:

optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.


I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.
2013-07-29 08:59:19 PM  
6 votes:

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Because sexuality is far more complicated a concept than just binary emotional attraction and sexual desire. Especially when you start dealing with gender variants.
2013-07-29 08:49:34 PM  
6 votes:

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


You know, trolling a Sexual Orientation + Sexual Identity + Religious Fundamentalism thread has got to be around a -150,000 handicap.
2013-07-29 09:02:52 PM  
5 votes:
Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches.  It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.
2013-07-29 10:23:15 PM  
4 votes:

tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."


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2013-07-29 09:08:57 PM  
4 votes:
In other words, he sees things exactly like they do in Iran.  Ghey. Cannot abide.  One partner lives as female/male?  Okay.
2013-07-29 09:03:04 PM  
4 votes:
"I think there are men who are in a woman's body,"

Sounds like a pretty egregious mistake for God to put a man in a woman's body.

Oh, well!  Mysterious Way's and all that!!

♪♫la-lal-la-la♪♫  Hey, Honey BooBoo's on!!
2013-07-29 09:22:24 PM  
3 votes:

Super Chronic: Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?


Ignoring the issue of what haploid cell they produce, part of the background of being transgendered is that the brain reacts in a similar manner to the sex they feel they are, even though the brain is not completely "femininzed" in the case of MtFs and "masculinized" in the case of FtMs.

Since this is the case, a transgendered individual dating someone of the same biological sex would in all reality be "straight", as the interaction is the same it would be if the person was born with a biologically female body and gender-normal brain.

The concept of sexuality and gender are distinctly separate from sex-linked chromosomes, except in chromosomal disorders, such as Klinefelters, Turners, Triple-X, and CAH.

Concepts of sexuality, if you're willing to look at them honestly, can get mind-bogglingly confusing in gender-variants.
2013-07-29 09:21:39 PM  
3 votes:
Maybe his Keeper finally died and fell off.

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2013-07-29 09:14:35 PM  
3 votes:
This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat
2013-07-29 08:57:57 PM  
3 votes:
Pat Robertson IS a zero.
2013-07-29 08:21:41 PM  
3 votes:
Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality
2013-07-29 08:09:53 PM  
3 votes:
I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.
2013-07-30 01:04:39 AM  
2 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.


He dates trans-women not shemales.
2013-07-29 11:45:09 PM  
2 votes:

SwissArmyGnome: Not that I take a religious point of view, but I like to say that calling it a mistake is unfair. If there were an almighty god, could he not intend for some of his children to see both perspectives? It could all be part of that"mysterious way."


It depends on how you want to view God. If he's hands-off, he knows that your conditions in the womb are going to cause you insane amounts of hassle later in life, and holds back on intervention to see how you're going to handle it. If he's hands-on, he personally intervened so that you would be able to experience the perspective of a person who is largely despised by his own followers, and will still have insane amounts of hassle later in life in any case.

He may work in mysterious ways, but he's still a dick.
2013-07-29 11:42:33 PM  
2 votes:

Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


Yes, that's true. My best friend was born female, lives life and has had therapy to become a gay male.
2013-07-29 11:22:59 PM  
2 votes:
Pat Robertson has gone to plaid. That or he's playing an elaborate game of human-compassion chicken with Pope Francis.
2013-07-29 10:56:54 PM  
2 votes:

bmihura: ekdikeo4: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.

I like that line of thinking.


You know, that's essentially what Matthew 7 already says. "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

That's the verse people always leave out when they harp on you about 'not judging.' It has also handily started a few arguments with my biblethumper in-laws who know all there is to know about the bible. Except for the inconvenient parts. Or the parts that offend them. Or the parts that conflict with their lifestyle or habits. Or the parts... well, you know the parts.
2013-07-29 10:28:14 PM  
2 votes:
I clicked on that thinking nothing Pat Robertson says would surprise me...and then I was surprised.

Good to know that's not a sin - not that I'll be trying it anytime soon.
2013-07-29 10:11:25 PM  
2 votes:
He probably thinks the reproductive organs work in the new gender, and only XXs with a weener or XYs with a baby factory get trans-surgicaled. So *snip* now it's all the way things were meant to be and they can have all the Jesus babies that Jesus Jesused up at the time of Jesus creation.

/you all think I'm kidding
2013-07-29 10:09:39 PM  
2 votes:
1.  He's finally afraid that all the asshole things he's said during his money-grubbing asshole career are going to piss god off when he dies real soon, so Pat's trying to be more christ-like here at the end.
---or---
2.  He's exhibiting dementia/Alzheimers/stroke

After my asshole grandfather had a stroke he became an actually enjoyable person, so I'm going with number 2.
2013-07-29 09:59:49 PM  
2 votes:

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


He's been having these odd revelations for a while now. First he said Marijuana was ok and should be legalized and then someone wrote into his show asking his opinion on oral sex. His woman co-star seemed embarrassed but he seemed shocked that anyone would even bother asking. He said whatever happens in the bedroom of married adults is just fine.
2013-07-29 09:56:29 PM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.

Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Sounds like a typically anti-trans FARK.com "discussion".
2013-07-29 09:41:15 PM  
2 votes:
This behavior surprises and fascinates me.  Especially considering that most people equate transgender people with homosexuals or even look down upon transgender folks as something worse than homosexuality.  Heck, even a good number of gay folks don't view transgender people in the best of light.

But seriously, despite how I feel about Mr. Robertson and what he stands for, I hope he's taking this stand for the right reasons, and I hope it makes a positive difference for people who are struggling with the decision to transition or who are struggling with their transition.  So, kudos to him, and kudos to them.
2013-07-29 09:39:25 PM  
2 votes:
I was going to form an opinion on this,  but I was overcome with the absurdity of the whole thing.

A large number of people believe in an invisible man in the sky.

One sub-group of these people have a hundred versions of a book of rules that maybe 1% of them have read, and that exactly 0% of them obey.

One guy out of this one sub-group has an opinion as to whether or not something is against said rules.

I'm not sure exactly where the "Who Gives A shiat" demarcation is for y'all, but I hit it on the first bullet point there.
2013-07-29 09:38:51 PM  
2 votes:
Kinda makes sense.

In Christian dogma it's the actual act of homosexual sex that is a sin, not the act of a man being in love with a man, or a women in love with a women. With that in mind for someone to change sex would not be seen as a sin since allows them to have man/women sexual intercourse.
2013-07-29 09:38:46 PM  
2 votes:

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.
2013-07-29 09:36:13 PM  
2 votes:

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.
2013-07-29 09:36:09 PM  
2 votes:

revrendjim: but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Well, I knew a person in college who was born a male, with a fully operating penis and everything.  This person identified as a male until around my sophomore year of college.  At that point, I lived abroad for 1/2 year.  The next year when I returned, this person was now female (hormone therapy and everything,) and I barely recognized "her."  Interestingly, she identified as a lesbian at the time I returned.

So she was apparently a lesbian woman trapped inside a man's body, and corrected it with a sex-change operation.

So if she had decided she was a "he," and not transgender, then the person would be heterosexual.  But because the person was transgender, the person was homosexual from the perspective of their new identity.
2013-07-29 09:34:37 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-07-29 09:33:33 PM  
2 votes:

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.
2013-07-29 09:21:51 PM  
2 votes:
Oddly enough, Saudi Arabia is also very moderate about gender reassignment surgery.  Their policy is that it is acceptable if there is a "real reason", "other than vanity and a desire for attention".  If so, their government pays for sexual reassignment surgery as well.

It is "juristically compared to that of a physical hermaphrodite in Islamic Law. Once a physical hermaphrodite's dominant sexual orientation becomes clear, the hermaphrodite is thereafter considered to be of that gender."

This generous attitude probably stems from the problems associated with incestuous marriage in Arabia, producing far more than the typical number of children with all sorts of birth defects.  They are willing to spend the bucks to get good pediatric care, and take a sensible approach to it.
2013-07-29 08:48:37 PM  
2 votes:

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex
2013-07-29 08:15:37 PM  
2 votes:
I'd like to think that he's finally coming around, however the realist in me thinks that this will be the basis of the fundamentalist's next argument?

"Like someone of the same sex?  Fine.  Then change."

/Book it.
2013-07-30 01:07:08 PM  
1 votes:
I swear this is the beginning of conservatives twisting LGBT rights to look like it was their idea all along and that liberals were the real homophobes.
2013-07-30 01:34:01 AM  
1 votes:
Dear Pat Robertson,

Go into the light already you stupid fark.

Sincerely,

Me
2013-07-30 01:33:07 AM  
1 votes:

codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.


"Gold Star Gays" are gay guys that never had sex with a woman

"Double Gold Star Gays" never had sex with a woman and were born via C-Section.

I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay because in addition to the former and the latter, my mom became a lesbian after I was born. I infected her with my gayness.
2013-07-30 12:48:08 AM  
1 votes:
You know, this seems a lot better than the last TG thread we had here. That was one hell of a clusterfark.
2013-07-30 12:23:44 AM  
1 votes:
When death is approaching, even stone-cold bastards place a side-bet. In this cocksucker's case, it's a wager on tolerance and minding one's own bidness.
2013-07-30 12:13:43 AM  
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


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2013-07-30 12:07:05 AM  
1 votes:
Really, I'm the first with the pic? 2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-07-30 12:00:23 AM  
1 votes:

Super Chronic: Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


Don't know about Robertson, but yes. Transgender are gay\lesbian depending on the gender they are mentally, not their birth gender. If a 'woman' becomes a man, and loves women, he is straight. If a 'man' becomes a woman, and loves women, she is lesbian. In Robertson-land, apparently you're only transgender if you're rich enough for surgery.

/Which pisses me off because surgery is farking expensive, so a lot of people basically say 'unless they can pony up cash I'm going to pretend they're the wrong gender'. FFS, people, STFU and be polite.
2013-07-29 11:58:01 PM  
1 votes:

Umeraken Ideut: Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.

Yes, that's true. My best friend was born female, lives life and has had therapy to become a gay male.


Yep, generally sexuality is who you want to have sex with, gender identity is who you wanna wanna be when you have sex with that person. That's way simplified to the point of being incorrect. But well these threads are usually at a 3rd grade level.
2013-07-29 11:56:09 PM  
1 votes:
As a transgender person who hasn't taken the steps yet, this makes me happy. There's still a long way to go, but this isn't something I would've anticipated at all.
2013-07-29 11:40:50 PM  
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


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/no?
2013-07-29 11:39:50 PM  
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: There isn't any sin associated with a person saying God make a mistake and made them the wrong gender? All right, then. Maybe sin and sacrilege are different.


Not that I take a religious point of view, but I like to say that calling it a mistake is unfair. If there were an almighty god, could he not intend for some of his children to see both perspectives? It could all be part of that"mysterious way."
2013-07-29 11:35:10 PM  
1 votes:

TheJoe03: 25.media.tumblr.com


That was a hilarious skit...

"I'm gonna masturbate and think about you and there's nothing you can do about it"
2013-07-29 11:30:19 PM  
1 votes:

codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.

Yeah, my husband and I refer to our relationship as a marriage, rather than a gay or straight marriage. No need to make a distinction since neither descriptors are really apt.


As long as y'all are both happy that's all that matter's. And yea I rarely term my relationships as LGB I do understand people want to classify for whatever reason.
/Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.
2013-07-29 11:26:49 PM  
1 votes:

ambassador_ahab: Normally I recommend that everyone masturbate furiously.


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-07-29 11:05:02 PM  
1 votes:

codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.


I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.
2013-07-29 10:51:35 PM  
1 votes:

optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.


This is the most asshole comment I have ever seen. Hating someone for who you think they are rather than their comments. I don't like the dude much either, but in this case he said something halfway decent.
2013-07-29 10:50:41 PM  
1 votes:
The first question Pat Robertson answered involved caring for a suicidal friend by understanding that they are insane and probably hopped up on tranquilizers, because most firearm suicides involve people blitzed out on Ambien. The second question he answered involved reassuring a poor woman who, instead of tithing, used that money to keep the power on and her children fed, that she would not go to hell for not tithing, but that by not tithing she was insulting God who would provide for her and her children if she only would drop 10% of her family's income to the church. The third question was Pat Robertson being entirely reasonable about respecting transgender people who have actually "amputated" their bodies, but he was on the fence about people who didn't go the distance. In the last question, Pat jumped through some biblical cherry-picking hoops to tell some woman that she shouldn't feel guilty for divorcing her abusive husband.

So on the whole it was a pretty reasonable question and answer segment. The biggest stand he took was passive aggressively telling a woman in poverty that she should fork over some more cash and maybe she wouldn't be so poor, but other than that his statements were pretty even-handed. Maybe the dude is softening up in his old age. His head of the PTA, VP of the local HOA, and local leader of the community co-host tried to goad him into incendiary comments a couple times, and he just went "Who am I to judge?"
2013-07-29 10:45:30 PM  
1 votes:
Better watch your ass, Pat...

i1121.photobucket.com

JK!

Even God commanded His People to do some weenie whackin'.

It's all cool.
2013-07-29 10:33:42 PM  
1 votes:
what the hell is going on around here?
2013-07-29 10:23:20 PM  
1 votes:
If a god was real, Pat would've exploded in the womb.
2013-07-29 10:18:39 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.

Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Yea, and it's sad.

The weird thing is I had people tell me that Robertson felt this way about trans people at least a decade ago. I never saw confirmation so I didn't believe it but well, he's still an ass.
2013-07-29 10:14:30 PM  
1 votes:

Lady Indica: CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.

My experience as a bisexual is quite different (and frankly MUCH easier) from someone trans, but yes we face similar discrimination and as a small minority group tend to stick together. It amuses me to no end that I'm actually defending trans inclusion, usually it's the 'why are the bisexuals included'.


yeah, it's odd.  I've been discriminated against by homophobic heterosexuals and biphobic homosexuals and I don't really identify completely with either side.
2013-07-29 10:10:54 PM  
1 votes:
I know this behavior. My teenage daughter is just like him when she tells me she did her homework, but it's just another crappy attempt at manipulation. Same as Pat Robertson when he manipulates his donors.

You may think you talk the good talk, Pat, but let's look at what your behavior shows. It's lacking. Same as my daughter on grading day. But my daughter is being judged by a teacher, not the Almighty.

When you meet your maker, Pat, and you get well deserved lots and lots of zeros, what then Pat?
2013-07-29 10:07:39 PM  
1 votes:

codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.


If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)
2013-07-29 10:06:41 PM  
1 votes:

CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.


My experience as a bisexual is quite different (and frankly MUCH easier) from someone trans, but yes we face similar discrimination and as a small minority group tend to stick together. It amuses me to no end that I'm actually defending trans inclusion, usually it's the 'why are the bisexuals included'.
2013-07-29 10:06:11 PM  
1 votes:

bmihura: Benevolent Misanthrope: Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches.  It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.

C'mon, who would ever be bigoted against Christians, BM?



For the most part?  Other Christians.
2013-07-29 10:04:55 PM  
1 votes:
Pat's #1 donor juliacomedy.com  died over the weekend
so, we'll likely see the true Pat emerge

/he'll be wearing a cock-ring by Thursday
2013-07-29 10:00:28 PM  
1 votes:

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


And back at the alien's HQ, they have the real Pat tied to a chair viewing the results on a monitor and getting more and more pissed off while the aliens are harvesting the energy from his anger for sustenance.

/I think that was the plot of a Star Trek episode.
2013-07-29 10:00:18 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height. Oh wait, we are, because height isn't an attribute the government/society finds relevant to the way we are expected to treat people. The whole idea that there's any need to officially put people into box A or box B based on the conditions of their birth is ridiculous and essentially guarantees discrimination based on that label.


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2013-07-29 09:59:59 PM  
1 votes:
www.perditionreport.com
2013-07-29 09:57:18 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Shedim: I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Start here, and read by Control-F and searching his name from there down.


Oh, THAT troll. I have it blocked as a "Semantics troll" since it was trying to argue in the Archbishop Tutu thread that it was possible to disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic and hiding behind argumentum ad dictionarium when it was called to supply more information.

/I should probably update the block tag to "homophobic semantics troll"
2013-07-29 09:53:35 PM  
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revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


If you define gender with respect to genitalia, and homosexuality therefore as being sexually attracted to people with the type of same genitalia you have, and sexual attraction as being distinctly "for" or "against" each of the types of genitalia, then yes at some point in the process there's probably "homosexuality" in the mix.

But there are lots of ways around that. The easiest is to recognize that "homosexuality" is not an independent attribute; it depends on the gender of both parties (and therefore also on the way gender and sexual attraction are defined, including the existence of a clear distinction among genders) and so anything you do to change gender in the middle of the discussion makes the concept of "homosexuality" moot just like changing the frame of reference in the middle of a physics problem would make it impossible to have any rational discussion about "velocity" over the entire period.

Another is to treat gender assignment as a "correction" to avoid homosexual behavior; it's generally not a sin to make a change in your life that will prevent future sin.
2013-07-29 09:50:04 PM  
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ambassador_ahab: Doesn't one of those tea-party congresswoman have a husband that does the whole "gay conversion therapy" nonsense?


Michelle Bachmann. Her husband is an "ex-gay" claimee himself, who runs a psychology practice which is the public face of the ex-gay movement.

Very few times in the history of the APA has something been declared blatant quackery. Ex-Gay has the distinction of being one of these.
2013-07-29 09:49:52 PM  
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ambassador_ahab: I never said it did.  I asked a specific question to a specific person....was that person born with a Y chromosome?  I was just curious.  I've dated someone who was trans.  I have not problem with it at all.  It was just curiosity.  That's all.


Last time someone posted something along those lines in a previous thread it was followed up by the usual "then you aren't female and never will be " bullshiat that usually gets posted in them, so I was being pre-emptive. My apologies for jumping on you.
2013-07-29 09:48:16 PM  
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hardinparamedic: Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Mind you, the last thread I was in had someone claiming that Iran has the highest rate of successful transgender surgeries in the world because they were forcing all the homosexuals to go through with it, so maybe it's just a different version of crazy.
2013-07-29 09:46:20 PM  
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Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.


Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.
2013-07-29 09:44:35 PM  
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ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.
2013-07-29 09:43:32 PM  
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Dementia.
2013-07-29 09:41:35 PM  
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ambassador_ahab: So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Sex Chromosomes determine what haploid cell you produce. They only play one part of a multi-faceted gender development.

And a person is legally allowed to change their sex once they are into their transition process.
2013-07-29 09:41:32 PM  
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codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.


I can imagine, given all the questions people would ask.

You'd probably know more about this than I - I've been hearing things about "trans erasure" in the QuILTBAG advocacies, campaigns and just in general (sorry, no specific examples handy right now). Is that true, and if so why would the group turn against one of their own like that?

/I probably sound stunningly ignorant with that last part...
2013-07-29 09:40:22 PM  
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Cyno01: Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?


Race =/= Sexuality or Gender issues. It's an irrelevant comparison. The fact is that they face similar discrimination from the same groups of people.
2013-07-29 09:38:36 PM  
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hardinparamedic: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.


Plus the whole Stonewall thing was started by folks who still sit in the back of the lgbt bus . ...
2013-07-29 09:36:38 PM  
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Secretly, he calls himself Patricia.
2013-07-29 09:31:27 PM  
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Lochsteppe: Maybe his Keeper finally died and fell off.

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OK, that made me giggle.
2013-07-29 09:30:16 PM  
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ekdikeo4: I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.


Yes. Clearly we know nothing of other people's intent with respect to any action, other than what they tell us, so it's only the action itself we may judge. The quotation many people are citing with this statement (Matthew 7) does not, in context, say that we should withhold judgement, but rather that judgement should be tempered with understanding of how you want to be judged.

And we should always bear in mind that past actions only have limited predictive value with respect to future actions, because circumstances and people are constantly changing everyone involved is limited by their own perception.
2013-07-29 09:25:09 PM  
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Mjeck: This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat


Racist?
2013-07-29 09:22:53 PM  
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Sorry guys. It's no longer news any time Pat Robertson says something stupid.
2013-07-29 09:19:37 PM  
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Lawnchair: In other words, he sees things exactly like they do in Iran.  Ghey. Cannot abide.  One partner lives as female/male?  Okay.


I, for one, cannot wait for Hedwig and the Angry Inch 2: Trouble in Tehran.
2013-07-29 09:19:03 PM  
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Was he in Thailand or Brazil back when Little Pat worked? Maybe he's tasted the delights of tranny tailpipe?
/I don't know about such things
//my friend made me type this
2013-07-29 09:18:21 PM  
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By the headline I thought he condemned the Westboro crowd
2013-07-29 09:15:48 PM  
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bmihura: I like that line of thinking.


Even then, it would not stop the religious right in America from discriminating against people for their sexuality or gender issues, or even just being a little more masculine or feminine from the norm for their gender.  You see, the Religious Right does not believe anyone did not have a choice to do this. They CHOOSE to be transgendered. They choose to be gay/lesbian. It's a "lifestyle". That's how they justify their actions to their conscience at night.
2013-07-29 09:15:31 PM  
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cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality


Ex-tax collectors writing letters = Christianity . Wut ?
2013-07-29 09:11:39 PM  
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swaniefrmreddeer: Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.


This?

sgnilward: He's just out of his farkin mind. Just like he's been for at least the last twenty years...


Or this?

I'm going with the latter, quite honestly. I think he's finally lost whatever mind he had left.
2013-07-29 08:59:43 PM  
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cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality


That's because most of these crackpot fundamentalist like the idea of a female with a pinga.
2013-07-29 08:55:39 PM  
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He must have a family member who's transgendered. That or he had a stroke, either can explain that shocking episode of tolerance and rationality.
2013-07-29 08:09:31 PM  
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He's just out of his farkin mind. Just like he's been for at least the last twenty years...
 
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