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2013-07-29 08:03:47 PM
Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.
 
2013-07-29 08:09:31 PM
He's just out of his farkin mind. Just like he's been for at least the last twenty years...
 
2013-07-29 08:09:53 PM
I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.
 
2013-07-29 08:13:57 PM

optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.


I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.
 
2013-07-29 08:15:37 PM
I'd like to think that he's finally coming around, however the realist in me thinks that this will be the basis of the fundamentalist's next argument?

"Like someone of the same sex?  Fine.  Then change."

/Book it.
 
2013-07-29 08:20:56 PM

PainInTheASP: "Like someone of the same sex? Fine. Then change."


He's just going after the xbox crowd.
 
2013-07-29 08:21:41 PM
Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality
 
2013-07-29 08:36:40 PM

cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality


Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?
 
2013-07-29 08:38:58 PM
Well if you're one gender one minute, another gender the next, as long as there's no homo-shenanigans in between, I suppose it's all good.
 
2013-07-29 08:44:23 PM
Fun fact: He makes homoerotic transgender fanfic in his spare time under the pen name of Pat Robertsdaughter.
 
2013-07-29 08:48:37 PM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex
 
2013-07-29 08:48:47 PM
He also thinks pot should be legal.
 
2013-07-29 08:49:34 PM

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


You know, trolling a Sexual Orientation + Sexual Identity + Religious Fundamentalism thread has got to be around a -150,000 handicap.
 
2013-07-29 08:55:39 PM
He must have a family member who's transgendered. That or he had a stroke, either can explain that shocking episode of tolerance and rationality.
 
2013-07-29 08:57:57 PM
Pat Robertson IS a zero.
 
2013-07-29 08:59:19 PM

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Because sexuality is far more complicated a concept than just binary emotional attraction and sexual desire. Especially when you start dealing with gender variants.
 
2013-07-29 08:59:43 PM

cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality


That's because most of these crackpot fundamentalist like the idea of a female with a pinga.
 
2013-07-29 09:02:52 PM
Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches.  It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.
 
2013-07-29 09:03:04 PM
"I think there are men who are in a woman's body,"

Sounds like a pretty egregious mistake for God to put a man in a woman's body.

Oh, well!  Mysterious Way's and all that!!

♪♫la-lal-la-la♪♫  Hey, Honey BooBoo's on!!
 
2013-07-29 09:06:27 PM

cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex


I don't really care who farks who, but I was thinking logically: If in your life you have officially been both genders, then regardless of which one you prefer it is possible to connect the dots in a homo way.

I really don't care.
 
2013-07-29 09:07:03 PM

hardinparamedic: revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Because sexuality is far more complicated a concept than just binary emotional attraction and sexual desire. Especially when you start dealing with gender variants.


I know that too.
 
2013-07-29 09:08:57 PM
In other words, he sees things exactly like they do in Iran.  Ghey. Cannot abide.  One partner lives as female/male?  Okay.
 
2013-07-29 09:10:09 PM
Everything I don't do is a sin and worthy of judgment.

Vegetarianism?  Going to hell.

Gimme that job!
 
2013-07-29 09:10:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, well! Mysterious Way's and all that!!


God made me put that apostrophe there.

Don't you question my faith!
 
2013-07-29 09:11:39 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.


This?

sgnilward: He's just out of his farkin mind. Just like he's been for at least the last twenty years...


Or this?

I'm going with the latter, quite honestly. I think he's finally lost whatever mind he had left.
 
2013-07-29 09:12:41 PM

ekdikeo4: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.


I like that line of thinking.
 
2013-07-29 09:14:25 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches.  It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.


C'mon, who would ever be bigoted against Christians, BM?
 
2013-07-29 09:14:35 PM
This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat
 
2013-07-29 09:15:05 PM
I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.
 
2013-07-29 09:15:31 PM

cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality


Ex-tax collectors writing letters = Christianity . Wut ?
 
2013-07-29 09:15:48 PM

bmihura: I like that line of thinking.


Even then, it would not stop the religious right in America from discriminating against people for their sexuality or gender issues, or even just being a little more masculine or feminine from the norm for their gender.  You see, the Religious Right does not believe anyone did not have a choice to do this. They CHOOSE to be transgendered. They choose to be gay/lesbian. It's a "lifestyle". That's how they justify their actions to their conscience at night.
 
2013-07-29 09:16:16 PM

cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex


Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.
 
2013-07-29 09:17:29 PM

Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


And... why did I not think to post a picture of Janet Garrison scissoring Xerxes with that question?
 
2013-07-29 09:18:09 PM
I think the only reason why he's ok with it is because apparently, transsexuals found a loophole in the bible, so he's cool with that.
 
2013-07-29 09:18:21 PM
By the headline I thought he condemned the Westboro crowd
 
2013-07-29 09:19:03 PM
Was he in Thailand or Brazil back when Little Pat worked? Maybe he's tasted the delights of tranny tailpipe?
/I don't know about such things
//my friend made me type this
 
2013-07-29 09:19:37 PM

Lawnchair: In other words, he sees things exactly like they do in Iran.  Ghey. Cannot abide.  One partner lives as female/male?  Okay.


I, for one, cannot wait for Hedwig and the Angry Inch 2: Trouble in Tehran.
 
2013-07-29 09:21:39 PM
Maybe his Keeper finally died and fell off.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-29 09:21:51 PM
Oddly enough, Saudi Arabia is also very moderate about gender reassignment surgery.  Their policy is that it is acceptable if there is a "real reason", "other than vanity and a desire for attention".  If so, their government pays for sexual reassignment surgery as well.

It is "juristically compared to that of a physical hermaphrodite in Islamic Law. Once a physical hermaphrodite's dominant sexual orientation becomes clear, the hermaphrodite is thereafter considered to be of that gender."

This generous attitude probably stems from the problems associated with incestuous marriage in Arabia, producing far more than the typical number of children with all sorts of birth defects.  They are willing to spend the bucks to get good pediatric care, and take a sensible approach to it.
 
2013-07-29 09:22:24 PM

Super Chronic: Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?


Ignoring the issue of what haploid cell they produce, part of the background of being transgendered is that the brain reacts in a similar manner to the sex they feel they are, even though the brain is not completely "femininzed" in the case of MtFs and "masculinized" in the case of FtMs.

Since this is the case, a transgendered individual dating someone of the same biological sex would in all reality be "straight", as the interaction is the same it would be if the person was born with a biologically female body and gender-normal brain.

The concept of sexuality and gender are distinctly separate from sex-linked chromosomes, except in chromosomal disorders, such as Klinefelters, Turners, Triple-X, and CAH.

Concepts of sexuality, if you're willing to look at them honestly, can get mind-bogglingly confusing in gender-variants.
 
2013-07-29 09:22:53 PM
Sorry guys. It's no longer news any time Pat Robertson says something stupid.
 
2013-07-29 09:23:02 PM

Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


That is totally true.  Whether that counts as hetero or homo in Robertson-land is anybody's guess.
 
2013-07-29 09:25:09 PM

Mjeck: This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat


Racist?
 
2013-07-29 09:26:21 PM
as a complete aside, i wonder why this has more "jet aircraft" as a tagline.
 
2013-07-29 09:28:11 PM
If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.
 
2013-07-29 09:28:41 PM
thebarkingatheist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-29 09:29:47 PM
Damn. Thought he croaked. (Leaves disappointed.)
 
2013-07-29 09:30:16 PM

ekdikeo4: I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.


Yes. Clearly we know nothing of other people's intent with respect to any action, other than what they tell us, so it's only the action itself we may judge. The quotation many people are citing with this statement (Matthew 7) does not, in context, say that we should withhold judgement, but rather that judgement should be tempered with understanding of how you want to be judged.

And we should always bear in mind that past actions only have limited predictive value with respect to future actions, because circumstances and people are constantly changing everyone involved is limited by their own perception.
 
2013-07-29 09:31:27 PM

Lochsteppe: Maybe his Keeper finally died and fell off.

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OK, that made me giggle.
 
2013-07-29 09:33:22 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-29 09:33:33 PM

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.
 
2013-07-29 09:34:37 PM
imageshack.us
 
2013-07-29 09:35:07 PM
Look, if one day Stan comes up to you and says "From now on I want you all to call me Loretta", then that's Stan, 'er, Loretta's bother.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:09 PM

revrendjim: but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Well, I knew a person in college who was born a male, with a fully operating penis and everything.  This person identified as a male until around my sophomore year of college.  At that point, I lived abroad for 1/2 year.  The next year when I returned, this person was now female (hormone therapy and everything,) and I barely recognized "her."  Interestingly, she identified as a lesbian at the time I returned.

So she was apparently a lesbian woman trapped inside a man's body, and corrected it with a sex-change operation.

So if she had decided she was a "he," and not transgender, then the person would be heterosexual.  But because the person was transgender, the person was homosexual from the perspective of their new identity.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:13 PM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:31 PM
He's playing the classic 'Duck Season/Rabbit Season' gambit. He's waiting for the LGBLTs to say ' Nuh-uh- Transgenders are totally sinful!' then he'll say 'Gotcha!' and he wins forever.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:38 PM
Secretly, he calls himself Patricia.
 
2013-07-29 09:37:22 PM

ginkor: This generous attitude probably stems from the problems associated with incestuous marriage in Arabia


Really? Are you sure it doesn't stem from them all having sand in their penises which causes them to invert and become vaginas?
 
2013-07-29 09:38:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.


Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?
 
2013-07-29 09:38:36 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.


Plus the whole Stonewall thing was started by folks who still sit in the back of the lgbt bus . ...
 
2013-07-29 09:38:46 PM

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.
 
2013-07-29 09:38:51 PM
Kinda makes sense.

In Christian dogma it's the actual act of homosexual sex that is a sin, not the act of a man being in love with a man, or a women in love with a women. With that in mind for someone to change sex would not be seen as a sin since allows them to have man/women sexual intercourse.
 
2013-07-29 09:39:00 PM

codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man


So were you born with a Y chromosome?
 
2013-07-29 09:39:25 PM
I was going to form an opinion on this,  but I was overcome with the absurdity of the whole thing.

A large number of people believe in an invisible man in the sky.

One sub-group of these people have a hundred versions of a book of rules that maybe 1% of them have read, and that exactly 0% of them obey.

One guy out of this one sub-group has an opinion as to whether or not something is against said rules.

I'm not sure exactly where the "Who Gives A shiat" demarcation is for y'all, but I hit it on the first bullet point there.
 
2013-07-29 09:40:22 PM

Cyno01: Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?


Race =/= Sexuality or Gender issues. It's an irrelevant comparison. The fact is that they face similar discrimination from the same groups of people.
 
2013-07-29 09:41:15 PM
This behavior surprises and fascinates me.  Especially considering that most people equate transgender people with homosexuals or even look down upon transgender folks as something worse than homosexuality.  Heck, even a good number of gay folks don't view transgender people in the best of light.

But seriously, despite how I feel about Mr. Robertson and what he stands for, I hope he's taking this stand for the right reasons, and I hope it makes a positive difference for people who are struggling with the decision to transition or who are struggling with their transition.  So, kudos to him, and kudos to them.
 
2013-07-29 09:41:32 PM

codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.


I can imagine, given all the questions people would ask.

You'd probably know more about this than I - I've been hearing things about "trans erasure" in the QuILTBAG advocacies, campaigns and just in general (sorry, no specific examples handy right now). Is that true, and if so why would the group turn against one of their own like that?

/I probably sound stunningly ignorant with that last part...
 
2013-07-29 09:41:35 PM

ambassador_ahab: So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Sex Chromosomes determine what haploid cell you produce. They only play one part of a multi-faceted gender development.

And a person is legally allowed to change their sex once they are into their transition process.
 
2013-07-29 09:42:02 PM

Mjeck: This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat


Hey, he was only in the Klan for the social gatherings.  It was very similar to the church, they all worshiped a cross, but one group preferred bonfires in the great outdoors.
 
2013-07-29 09:43:32 PM
Dementia.
 
2013-07-29 09:44:24 PM

angryjd: Sorry guys. It's no longer news any time Pat Robertson says something stupid.


quite right!

/It's not News it's FARK!
 
2013-07-29 09:44:35 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.
 
2013-07-29 09:46:20 PM

Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.


Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.
 
2013-07-29 09:46:36 PM

Shedim: Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.


I never said it did.  I asked a specific question to a specific person....was that person born with a Y chromosome?  I was just curious.  I've dated someone who was trans.  I have not problem with it at all.  It was just curiosity.  That's all.
 
2013-07-29 09:47:39 PM

hardinparamedic: The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Doesn't one of those tea-party congresswoman have a husband that does the whole "gay conversion therapy" nonsense?
 
2013-07-29 09:48:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Mind you, the last thread I was in had someone claiming that Iran has the highest rate of successful transgender surgeries in the world because they were forcing all the homosexuals to go through with it, so maybe it's just a different version of crazy.
 
2013-07-29 09:48:25 PM

CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.


Oh no, I understand that completely, I know gays who are transphobic because they think transexuals are just gays who cant/wont admit their orientation and would rather cop out by saying they're straight women in a man's body. Acceptance starts with small steps, but if the trannies want to hitch their wagon on the gay rights train, they need to get over the average resident of Peoria confusing/conflating sexual and gender issues.
 
2013-07-29 09:49:52 PM

ambassador_ahab: I never said it did.  I asked a specific question to a specific person....was that person born with a Y chromosome?  I was just curious.  I've dated someone who was trans.  I have not problem with it at all.  It was just curiosity.  That's all.


Last time someone posted something along those lines in a previous thread it was followed up by the usual "then you aren't female and never will be " bullshiat that usually gets posted in them, so I was being pre-emptive. My apologies for jumping on you.
 
2013-07-29 09:50:04 PM

ambassador_ahab: Doesn't one of those tea-party congresswoman have a husband that does the whole "gay conversion therapy" nonsense?


Michelle Bachmann. Her husband is an "ex-gay" claimee himself, who runs a psychology practice which is the public face of the ex-gay movement.

Very few times in the history of the APA has something been declared blatant quackery. Ex-Gay has the distinction of being one of these.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:35 PM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Well, you're not homosexual any more, after you're done.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:58 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?

Race =/= Sexuality or Gender issues. It's an irrelevant comparison.

The fact is that they face similar discrimination from the same groups of people.

That's exactly why it was an apt comparison.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:58 PM

Shedim: I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.


Start here, and read by Control-F and searching his name from there down.
 
2013-07-29 09:53:35 PM

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


If you define gender with respect to genitalia, and homosexuality therefore as being sexually attracted to people with the type of same genitalia you have, and sexual attraction as being distinctly "for" or "against" each of the types of genitalia, then yes at some point in the process there's probably "homosexuality" in the mix.

But there are lots of ways around that. The easiest is to recognize that "homosexuality" is not an independent attribute; it depends on the gender of both parties (and therefore also on the way gender and sexual attraction are defined, including the existence of a clear distinction among genders) and so anything you do to change gender in the middle of the discussion makes the concept of "homosexuality" moot just like changing the frame of reference in the middle of a physics problem would make it impossible to have any rational discussion about "velocity" over the entire period.

Another is to treat gender assignment as a "correction" to avoid homosexual behavior; it's generally not a sin to make a change in your life that will prevent future sin.
 
2013-07-29 09:54:15 PM
I have a headache.

I need a man and a woman and a womman and a manwyn.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:13 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?


I was born with a Y chromosome. I could identify as homosexual but then people say, "but you married a man", with a confused look on their face. I otherwise have a fairly vanilla heterosexual relationship with my husband. He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi. I'm actually comfortable with all three designations so it can sometimes change based on the situation.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:29 PM
I don't give a shiat what this demented old bastard thinks. He's spent the past 30 years poisoning people's minds and amassing a fortune preaching hate and intolerance. fark that man and his god.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:56 PM
Maybe the old christer was surfing online and decided try some tranny videos or gay thugs and he liked it.

Behold the power of pr0n!
 
2013-07-29 09:56:29 PM

hardinparamedic: Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.

Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Sounds like a typically anti-trans FARK.com "discussion".
 
2013-07-29 09:57:02 PM
came in for prayer assualt.

i.imgur.com

/feeling satiated
 
2013-07-29 09:57:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Shedim: I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Start here, and read by Control-F and searching his name from there down.


Oh, THAT troll. I have it blocked as a "Semantics troll" since it was trying to argue in the Archbishop Tutu thread that it was possible to disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic and hiding behind argumentum ad dictionarium when it was called to supply more information.

/I should probably update the block tag to "homophobic semantics troll"
 
2013-07-29 09:57:40 PM

propasaurus: Dementia.


I'm going with WAY stoned.
 
2013-07-29 09:58:17 PM

hardinparamedic: And a person is legally allowed to change their sex once they are into their transition process.


Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height. Oh wait, we are, because height isn't an attribute the government/society finds relevant to the way we are expected to treat people. The whole idea that there's any need to officially put people into box A or box B based on the conditions of their birth is ridiculous and essentially guarantees discrimination based on that label.
 
2013-07-29 09:58:53 PM
Are we allowed to post the headsplosion scene from Scanners? Cuz I think that's just about what happened when someone explained transgenderism to Pat.
 
2013-07-29 09:59:49 PM

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


He's been having these odd revelations for a while now. First he said Marijuana was ok and should be legalized and then someone wrote into his show asking his opinion on oral sex. His woman co-star seemed embarrassed but he seemed shocked that anyone would even bother asking. He said whatever happens in the bedroom of married adults is just fine.
 
2013-07-29 09:59:59 PM
www.perditionreport.com
 
2013-07-29 10:00:18 PM

profplump: Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height. Oh wait, we are, because height isn't an attribute the government/society finds relevant to the way we are expected to treat people. The whole idea that there's any need to officially put people into box A or box B based on the conditions of their birth is ridiculous and essentially guarantees discrimination based on that label.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-29 10:00:28 PM

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


And back at the alien's HQ, they have the real Pat tied to a chair viewing the results on a monitor and getting more and more pissed off while the aliens are harvesting the energy from his anger for sustenance.

/I think that was the plot of a Star Trek episode.
 
2013-07-29 10:00:43 PM
There isn't any sin associated with a person saying God make a mistake and made them the wrong gender? All right, then. Maybe sin and sacrilege are different.
 
2013-07-29 10:02:38 PM
I really can't draw a bead on Robertson. One week he'll be saying how a disaster is God's punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality, then he'll go off and say that we need drug policy reform in the US because too many people are in jail for victimless crimes.

It's like he's the sanest man on the planet who tries to act crazy, or vice-versa. Either way, he's doing a fantastic job.
 
2013-07-29 10:04:06 PM
First weed and now this? Good shiat.
 
2013-07-29 10:04:55 PM
Pat's #1 donor juliacomedy.com  died over the weekend
so, we'll likely see the true Pat emerge

/he'll be wearing a cock-ring by Thursday
 
2013-07-29 10:05:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: swaniefrmreddeer: Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.

This?

sgnilward: He's just out of his farkin mind. Just like he's been for at least the last twenty years...

Or this?

I'm going with the latter, quite honestly. I think he's finally lost whatever mind he had left.


Remember that he's 83 years old, so he probably knows he's going to die soon, and he believes that once he's dead he will be judged for the way he treated other people (or at least his religion claims that).  Maybe he's just reached the "Oh, I should probably not be quite such an asshole then" stage.
 
2013-07-29 10:06:11 PM

bmihura: Benevolent Misanthrope: Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches.  It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.

C'mon, who would ever be bigoted against Christians, BM?



For the most part?  Other Christians.
 
2013-07-29 10:06:41 PM

CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.


My experience as a bisexual is quite different (and frankly MUCH easier) from someone trans, but yes we face similar discrimination and as a small minority group tend to stick together. It amuses me to no end that I'm actually defending trans inclusion, usually it's the 'why are the bisexuals included'.
 
2013-07-29 10:07:39 PM

codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.


If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)
 
2013-07-29 10:08:16 PM
It's Pat!
 
2013-07-29 10:09:37 PM

TheJoe03: First weed and now this? Good shiat.


Don't forget "Genesis isn't a science book".

/not sure why he's making statements about Phil Collins' work...
 
2013-07-29 10:09:38 PM

TheHighlandHowler: He also thinks pot should be legal.


it won't be legal till mary jane marries juan ah.
 
2013-07-29 10:09:39 PM
1.  He's finally afraid that all the asshole things he's said during his money-grubbing asshole career are going to piss god off when he dies real soon, so Pat's trying to be more christ-like here at the end.
---or---
2.  He's exhibiting dementia/Alzheimers/stroke

After my asshole grandfather had a stroke he became an actually enjoyable person, so I'm going with number 2.
 
2013-07-29 10:10:47 PM
www.topcoder.com
 
2013-07-29 10:10:54 PM
I know this behavior. My teenage daughter is just like him when she tells me she did her homework, but it's just another crappy attempt at manipulation. Same as Pat Robertson when he manipulates his donors.

You may think you talk the good talk, Pat, but let's look at what your behavior shows. It's lacking. Same as my daughter on grading day. But my daughter is being judged by a teacher, not the Almighty.

When you meet your maker, Pat, and you get well deserved lots and lots of zeros, what then Pat?
 
2013-07-29 10:11:25 PM
He probably thinks the reproductive organs work in the new gender, and only XXs with a weener or XYs with a baby factory get trans-surgicaled. So *snip* now it's all the way things were meant to be and they can have all the Jesus babies that Jesus Jesused up at the time of Jesus creation.

/you all think I'm kidding
 
2013-07-29 10:12:05 PM

hardinparamedic: bmihura: I like that line of thinking.

Even then, it would not stop the religious right in America from discriminating against people for their sexuality or gender issues, or even just being a little more masculine or feminine from the norm for their gender.  You see, the Religious Right does not believe anyone did not have a choice to do this. They CHOOSE to be transgendered. They choose to be gay/lesbian. It's a "lifestyle". That's how they justify their actions to their conscience at night.


Hey that makes sense. What is uncool is saying "right" and "left" though. I don't give a shiat about religion, but I do give a shiat about political divide.
 
2013-07-29 10:12:42 PM

Lady Indica: CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.

My experience as a bisexual is quite different (and frankly MUCH easier) from someone trans, but yes we face similar discrimination and as a small minority group tend to stick together. It amuses me to no end that I'm actually defending trans inclusion, usually it's the 'why are the bisexuals included'.


Why do you think that is with trans?

I mean, I'm not some closed-minded douche, but when I'm around some dude/chick that is trans, I find myself expending quite a bit of mental power in the back of my mind trying to figure out what they are as defined by their sex chromosomes. It's like something that the mind immediately goes and tries to figure out.
 
2013-07-29 10:13:25 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)


Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.
 
2013-07-29 10:14:30 PM

Lady Indica: CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.

My experience as a bisexual is quite different (and frankly MUCH easier) from someone trans, but yes we face similar discrimination and as a small minority group tend to stick together. It amuses me to no end that I'm actually defending trans inclusion, usually it's the 'why are the bisexuals included'.


yeah, it's odd.  I've been discriminated against by homophobic heterosexuals and biphobic homosexuals and I don't really identify completely with either side.
 
2013-07-29 10:16:54 PM
"Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."
 
2013-07-29 10:18:04 PM

tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."


1/10
 
2013-07-29 10:18:39 PM

hardinparamedic: Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.

Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Yea, and it's sad.

The weird thing is I had people tell me that Robertson felt this way about trans people at least a decade ago. I never saw confirmation so I didn't believe it but well, he's still an ass.
 
2013-07-29 10:23:15 PM

tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."


ih0.redbubble.net
 
2013-07-29 10:23:20 PM
If a god was real, Pat would've exploded in the womb.
 
2013-07-29 10:23:35 PM
So the pope says he's cool with gay people, now pat Robertson appered to backhandedly say he's ok with it. Does that mean everyone else will come around?
/ hopefully
// but probably not
 
2013-07-29 10:24:39 PM

Marine1: not sure why he's making statements about Phil Collins' work...


www.clickorlando.com


Do you like phil collins?

Been a big Genesis fan, ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke.

Before that I didn't really understand any of their work, it was too artsy, too intellectual...it was on Duke where Phil Collins presence became more apparent.
I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece, its an epic meditation on intangibility at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding 3 albums...

Christy, take off the robe...

Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford you can practically hear every nuance of every instrument,

Sabrina...remove your dress,

In terms of lyrical craftsmanship and sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism,

Sabrina why don't you uh, dance a little...

Take the lyrics to "Land of Confusion", in this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980's, about monogamy and commitment, the song is extremely uplifting...their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as uh, anything I've heard in rock...

Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your ass....

Phil Collins solo career, it seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way.

Especially songs like, In The Air Tonight and Against All Odds...

Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it!

I also think, Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist.
This is Sussudio, great, great song...personal favorite.
 
2013-07-29 10:25:09 PM
When I was a little kid, I was stuck at my fundie grandmother's house, and this guy was on TV.  They were having some lively discussion about how the decline of America was totally due to minorities, when Pat fell asleep.  The lady with the poodle hair finally noticed, and nudged him awake.

He came to with a start, and hollered, "I REMEMBER WHEN ROCKS WAS MONEY."
 
2013-07-29 10:28:14 PM
I clicked on that thinking nothing Pat Robertson says would surprise me...and then I was surprised.

Good to know that's not a sin - not that I'll be trying it anytime soon.
 
2013-07-29 10:33:42 PM
what the hell is going on around here?
 
2013-07-29 10:38:57 PM

Lionel Mandrake: "I think there are men who are in a woman's body,"

Sounds like a pretty egregious mistake for God to put a man in a woman's body.

Oh, well!  Mysterious Way's and all that!!

♪♫la-lal-la-la♪♫  Hey, Honey BooBoo's on!!


Well, this man has often been in a woman's body, if you know what I mean (and I'm pretty sure that you do.)

/bad joke
//apologies
///didn't read entire thread
////probably already been done
 
2013-07-29 10:43:08 PM

tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."


what sin?
old news is old
 
2013-07-29 10:45:30 PM
Better watch your ass, Pat...

i1121.photobucket.com

JK!

Even God commanded His People to do some weenie whackin'.

It's all cool.
 
2013-07-29 10:50:41 PM
The first question Pat Robertson answered involved caring for a suicidal friend by understanding that they are insane and probably hopped up on tranquilizers, because most firearm suicides involve people blitzed out on Ambien. The second question he answered involved reassuring a poor woman who, instead of tithing, used that money to keep the power on and her children fed, that she would not go to hell for not tithing, but that by not tithing she was insulting God who would provide for her and her children if she only would drop 10% of her family's income to the church. The third question was Pat Robertson being entirely reasonable about respecting transgender people who have actually "amputated" their bodies, but he was on the fence about people who didn't go the distance. In the last question, Pat jumped through some biblical cherry-picking hoops to tell some woman that she shouldn't feel guilty for divorcing her abusive husband.

So on the whole it was a pretty reasonable question and answer segment. The biggest stand he took was passive aggressively telling a woman in poverty that she should fork over some more cash and maybe she wouldn't be so poor, but other than that his statements were pretty even-handed. Maybe the dude is softening up in his old age. His head of the PTA, VP of the local HOA, and local leader of the community co-host tried to goad him into incendiary comments a couple times, and he just went "Who am I to judge?"
 
2013-07-29 10:51:35 PM

optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.


This is the most asshole comment I have ever seen. Hating someone for who you think they are rather than their comments. I don't like the dude much either, but in this case he said something halfway decent.
 
2013-07-29 10:53:37 PM

Scaevola: Lionel Mandra

Well, this man has often been in a woman's body, if you know what I mean (and I'm pretty sure that you do.)

/bad joke
//apologies
///didn't read entire thread
////probably already been done



I didn't notice anyone, and I wanted to take it to the bottom of the barrel, also.

/hifive
//tomorrow is on the menu
///ohyeah_vector_despicable_me
 
2013-07-29 10:56:54 PM

bmihura: ekdikeo4: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.

I like that line of thinking.


You know, that's essentially what Matthew 7 already says. "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

That's the verse people always leave out when they harp on you about 'not judging.' It has also handily started a few arguments with my biblethumper in-laws who know all there is to know about the bible. Except for the inconvenient parts. Or the parts that offend them. Or the parts that conflict with their lifestyle or habits. Or the parts... well, you know the parts.
 
2013-07-29 11:00:44 PM

codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.


Same, well except I've only been friends with FTM's , hey they were married or getting married. Otherwise curious, curious.
 
2013-07-29 11:01:13 PM
Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.
 
2013-07-29 11:01:29 PM

hardinparamedic: tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."

[ih0.redbubble.net image 375x360]


Ah it's threads like these that remind me why I love you so much hardinparamedic
 
2013-07-29 11:05:02 PM

codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.


I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.
 
2013-07-29 11:05:20 PM
Is it wrong that when I read the headline, I thought it meant he died and got real happy?
 
2013-07-29 11:07:52 PM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ...

So on the whole it was a pretty reasonable question and answer segment. The biggest stand he took was passive aggressively telling a woman in poverty that she should fork over some more cash and maybe she wouldn't be so poor, but other than that his statements were pretty even-handed. Maybe the dude is softening up in his old age. His head of the PTA, VP of the local HOA, and local leader of the community co-host tried to goad him into incendiary comments a couple times, and he just went "Who am I to judge?"

Bigot, scam artist.....and a Nazi?

Fark him.
 
2013-07-29 11:09:23 PM
Blind nut finds squirrel?
 
2013-07-29 11:11:00 PM
Pat Robertson is a crazyman trapped in the body of a man.
 
2013-07-29 11:11:43 PM

strapp3r: Pat's #1 donor [juliacomedy.com image 186x240]  died over the weekend
so, we'll likely see the true Pat emerge

/he'll be wearing a cock-ring by Thursday


Who is that? Gotta Google
 
2013-07-29 11:13:21 PM
Perhaps the 2nd stroke cured the first one.
 
2013-07-29 11:17:42 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.


Yeah, my husband and I refer to our relationship as a marriage, rather than a gay or straight marriage. No need to make a distinction since neither descriptors are really apt.
 
2013-07-29 11:18:17 PM
Normally I recommend that everyone masturbate furiously.
 
2013-07-29 11:19:44 PM

ambassador_ahab: Normally I recommend that everyone masturbate furiously.


Wrong thread, but I guess it kinda works here too.

codergirl42: Yeah, my husband and I refer to our relationship as a marriage, rather than a gay or straight marriage


See, it is a marriage, so it's seems entirely reasonable that you'd call it a marriage.
 
2013-07-29 11:22:14 PM

ambassador_ahab: Normally I recommend that everyone masturbate furiously.



Stroke 'em if ya got em'.
 
2013-07-29 11:22:59 PM
Pat Robertson has gone to plaid. That or he's playing an elaborate game of human-compassion chicken with Pope Francis.
 
2013-07-29 11:23:07 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

Same, well except I've only been friends with FTM's , hey they were married or getting married. Otherwise curious, curious.


I didn't date either out of any sense of curiosity or anything. To me it doesn't matter what genitals a person has but whether or not we were compatible in a relationship.
 
2013-07-29 11:25:30 PM

show me: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

This is the most asshole comment I have ever seen. Hating someone for who you think they are rather than their comments. I don't like the dude much either, but in this case he said something halfway decent.


Pat Robertson might sleep with you.
 
2013-07-29 11:26:44 PM

Inchoate: Pat Robertson has gone to plaid. That or he's playing an elaborate game of human-compassion chicken with Pope Francis.


This has all been a long-con so that Pat Robertson can become a woman and smoke pot legally with Pope Francis while they oversee a foundation of South American orphanages and halfway houses.

/it all makes so much sense now
 
2013-07-29 11:26:49 PM

ambassador_ahab: Normally I recommend that everyone masturbate furiously.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-29 11:30:19 PM

codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.

Yeah, my husband and I refer to our relationship as a marriage, rather than a gay or straight marriage. No need to make a distinction since neither descriptors are really apt.


As long as y'all are both happy that's all that matter's. And yea I rarely term my relationships as LGB I do understand people want to classify for whatever reason.
/Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.
 
2013-07-29 11:35:10 PM

TheJoe03: 25.media.tumblr.com


That was a hilarious skit...

"I'm gonna masturbate and think about you and there's nothing you can do about it"
 
2013-07-29 11:35:35 PM

codergirl42: tinfoil-hat maggie: codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

Same, well except I've only been friends with FTM's , hey they were married or getting married. Otherwise curious, curious.

I didn't date either out of any sense of curiosity or anything. To me it doesn't matter what genitals a person has but whether or not we were compatible in a relationship.


Exactly, I'm mean yea sex is important as physical act but it really does make more difference if we're compatible mentally and well everything else can be figured out.
 
2013-07-29 11:37:55 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: Well we could also identify as pansexual, since I've also dated both FtoM and MtoF trans people.

I've dated FTM and had sexual relations with females and males, but throwing a specific label on it seemed silly to me.  I identify by my name and just let it be.  The way I see it, if I'm seriously involved with someone and they want to have sex with me, that person isn't going to care about my "label" at that point.

Yeah, my husband and I refer to our relationship as a marriage, rather than a gay or straight marriage. No need to make a distinction since neither descriptors are really apt.

As long as y'all are both happy that's all that matter's. And yea I rarely term my relationships as LGB I do understand people want to classify for whatever reason.
/Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


I'm pans, but I always tell people I'm bi.  Saves the time it takes to explain.
 
2013-07-29 11:38:20 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


I just spent way too long trying to google the technical term for Pan's cloven-foot legs so I could make a bad one-liner.

What is it called when the legs are inverted like that?!
 
2013-07-29 11:39:50 PM

ParagonComplex: There isn't any sin associated with a person saying God make a mistake and made them the wrong gender? All right, then. Maybe sin and sacrilege are different.


Not that I take a religious point of view, but I like to say that calling it a mistake is unfair. If there were an almighty god, could he not intend for some of his children to see both perspectives? It could all be part of that"mysterious way."
 
2013-07-29 11:40:50 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


i.chzbgr.com

/no?
 
2013-07-29 11:42:33 PM

Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


Yes, that's true. My best friend was born female, lives life and has had therapy to become a gay male.
 
2013-07-29 11:44:16 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Exactly, I'm mean yea sex is important as physical act but it really does make more difference if we're compatible mentally and well everything else can be figured out.


If you've figured out the connection part, the genitals situation usually works itself out, so to speak.
 
2013-07-29 11:45:09 PM

SwissArmyGnome: Not that I take a religious point of view, but I like to say that calling it a mistake is unfair. If there were an almighty god, could he not intend for some of his children to see both perspectives? It could all be part of that"mysterious way."


It depends on how you want to view God. If he's hands-off, he knows that your conditions in the womb are going to cause you insane amounts of hassle later in life, and holds back on intervention to see how you're going to handle it. If he's hands-on, he personally intervened so that you would be able to experience the perspective of a person who is largely despised by his own followers, and will still have insane amounts of hassle later in life in any case.

He may work in mysterious ways, but he's still a dick.
 
2013-07-29 11:47:00 PM

CK2005: I'm pans, but I always tell people I'm bi.  Saves the time it takes to explain.


I know the feeling.
 
2013-07-29 11:48:00 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It depends on how you want to view God


I view God the same way I view my giant 12" dick.  They've both just a fantasy.
 
2013-07-29 11:48:29 PM
Gee, call him an ambulance, he may have had a stroke.

(Can you have a stroke in the amygdalus?)
 
2013-07-29 11:49:42 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.

I just spent way too long trying to google the technical term for Pan's cloven-foot legs so I could make a bad one-liner.

What is it called when the legs are inverted like that?!


You would have found read the link : )
/Oh and Dionysus is gonna punish you by turning your booze sour.
 
2013-07-29 11:56:09 PM
As a transgender person who hasn't taken the steps yet, this makes me happy. There's still a long way to go, but this isn't something I would've anticipated at all.
 
2013-07-29 11:57:15 PM

ekdikeo4: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions".  If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people.  There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.


What if you judge people for cornholing other people?
 
2013-07-29 11:58:01 PM

Umeraken Ideut: Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.

Yes, that's true. My best friend was born female, lives life and has had therapy to become a gay male.


Yep, generally sexuality is who you want to have sex with, gender identity is who you wanna wanna be when you have sex with that person. That's way simplified to the point of being incorrect. But well these threads are usually at a 3rd grade level.
 
2013-07-30 12:00:23 AM

Super Chronic: Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


Don't know about Robertson, but yes. Transgender are gay\lesbian depending on the gender they are mentally, not their birth gender. If a 'woman' becomes a man, and loves women, he is straight. If a 'man' becomes a woman, and loves women, she is lesbian. In Robertson-land, apparently you're only transgender if you're rich enough for surgery.

/Which pisses me off because surgery is farking expensive, so a lot of people basically say 'unless they can pony up cash I'm going to pretend they're the wrong gender'. FFS, people, STFU and be polite.
 
2013-07-30 12:01:17 AM

redsquid: He's playing the classic 'Duck Season/Rabbit Season' gambit. He's waiting for the LGBLTs to say ' Nuh-uh- Transgenders are totally sinful!' then he'll say 'Gotcha!' and he wins forever.


I see you've played this game before.
 
2013-07-30 12:03:14 AM

RealAmericanHero: As a transgender person who hasn't taken the steps yet, this makes me happy. There's still a long way to go, but this isn't something I would've anticipated at all.


I'm afraid this maybe more like the Iranian cure for homosexuals, and I have heard he was okay with people transitioning along while back. Now whether that includes FTM's as well as MTF's well who knows
 
2013-07-30 12:03:37 AM
Yeah, Christians, including Robertson, tell me I'm a sinner for masturbating, and I'm going to hell because of my lifestyle choices.  I just never felt a need to hate all Christians for it or wish they were dead.  I pretty much just ignore them, or at worst consider them a little loopy and frustrated.  I'm just not into the whole endless cycle of hate everyone else around me seems to be.
 
2013-07-30 12:05:32 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yep, generally sexuality is who you want to have sex with, gender identity is who you wanna wanna be when you have sex with that person.


If the other person(s) is/are a consenting adult, are we allowed to have hot sex first and then figure out how psychologists would describe it later?
 
2013-07-30 12:07:05 AM
Really, I'm the first with the pic? 2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-30 12:07:08 AM
Interesting that he considers me more sinful than transgender people though.  I suppose now I'm supposed to feel persecuted.  *yawn*
 
2013-07-30 12:08:56 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Interesting that he considers me more sinful than transgender people though.  I suppose now I'm supposed to feel persecuted.  *yawn*


It depends.  The conservatives rarely get in a fuss when it's two sexy ladies getting it on.  They usually only talk about "unnatural and unholy" when it's two men.
 
2013-07-30 12:13:43 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.


liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-30 12:14:15 AM

ambassador_ahab: tinfoil-hat maggie: Yep, generally sexuality is who you want to have sex with, gender identity is who you wanna wanna be when you have sex with that person.

If the other person(s) is/are a consenting adult, are we allowed to have hot sex first and then figure out how psychologists would describe it later?


I say yes if all parties are agreed : )
 
2013-07-30 12:15:16 AM

ambassador_ahab: It depends.  The conservatives rarely get in a fuss when it's two sexy ladies getting it on.  They usually only talk about "unnatural and unholy" when it's two men.


Yeah, they never seem to go on long rants about women masturbating either.  Just men.  I guess i should feel doubly persecuted.

Or maybe I'll just shrug and live my life instead.
 
2013-07-30 12:15:31 AM
Hey, Pat:

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do soare abomination unto the LORD thy God." --
 Deuteronomy 22:5
 
2013-07-30 12:19:24 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: /Oh and Dionysus is gonna punish you by turning your booze sour.


My booze is already sour, but the ancient pantheon somehow missed Brita filters being invented.

/so did my liquor store cashier, she thought I was some techno-god for filtering cheap vodka through a Brita
 
2013-07-30 12:19:54 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Yeah, they never seem to go on long rants about women masturbating either.


I think it's because women don't technically "spill" any "seed" when they do it.

/Source:  something I might have remember from a high school religion class
 
2013-07-30 12:22:16 AM
Pat used to advocate eating a soybeans a lot. Perhaps it did something.
 
2013-07-30 12:22:33 AM

Snapper Carr: tinfoil-hat maggie: /Pansexual is such a nice term but most people don't know it.

[liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com image 750x600]


Oh yea : )
 
2013-07-30 12:23:44 AM
When death is approaching, even stone-cold bastards place a side-bet. In this cocksucker's case, it's a wager on tolerance and minding one's own bidness.
 
2013-07-30 12:23:53 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I say yes if all parties are agreed : )


Let's assume, arguendo, that "consenting" in this instance includes "figure out how to properly label/classify the activity at some point in the future, and get to business for now."
 
2013-07-30 12:24:04 AM
Well, he is named Pat

spunfull.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-30 12:24:07 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: tinfoil-hat maggie: /Oh and Dionysus is gonna punish you by turning your booze sour.

My booze is already sour, but the ancient pantheon somehow missed Brita filters being invented.

/so did my liquor store cashier, she thought I was some techno-god for filtering cheap vodka through a Brita


I remember reading about that, wow, that's been a while ago.
 
2013-07-30 12:25:42 AM

ambassador_ahab: ThrobblefootSpectre: Yeah, they never seem to go on long rants about women masturbating either.

I think it's because women don't technically "spill" any "seed" when they do it.

/Source:  something I might have remember from a high school religion class


Well they aren't really sowing the seed, but some women can really spray the field down with fertilizer when they masturbate.

/keep the field fertilzed
 
2013-07-30 12:27:38 AM

ambassador_ahab: tinfoil-hat maggie: I say yes if all parties are agreed : )

Let's assume, arguendo, that "consenting" in this instance includes "figure out how to properly label/classify the activity at some point in the future, and get to business for now."


Why do do you need to classify/label it? If people are agreed on what they're willing to do what does it mater?
 
2013-07-30 12:33:34 AM

hardinparamedic: tbeatty: "Farklibs apoplectic at concept of hate the sin, love the sinner.  News at 11."

[ih0.redbubble.net image 375x360]


You got me.  I didn't really try.  Still entertaining.

/Romans has a lot about homosexuality and homosexual acts as well as Peter living among sinners and being  compassionate without becoming a sinner.
//Still can't find anything about being transgender that would be a sin.  Changing gender and living as that gender doesn't seem to be addressed.  Heck, they all wore dresses.   If someone wants to live as a woman and takes medical steps to become one, not sure how that would be a sin.
/// the entertaining part is that Farklibs see that as some sort of contradiction and untrustworthy.   Kinda like a built in homophobic response that transgender people are necessarily homosexual and commit homosexual acts (hint: it's a completely different choice and a different color in the rainbow).   Robertson is not necessarily hypocritical for accepting transgender people while rejecting homosexual acts.  If that makes you apoplectic, please refer to the rainbow that you see as a monochromatic flag opposing Robertson.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:23 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: If people are agreed on what they're willing to do what does it mater?


What if, for example, I simultaneously insert my left fist into the rectal cavity of an MtoF heterosexual female, and an FtoM homosexual male?  What we all did might be described entirely differently depending on the person you asked.
 
2013-07-30 12:36:43 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: but some women can really spray the field down with fertilizer when they masturbate.


No shiat.  I witnessed the full power of this not long ago, when she managed to soak through the sheets, the mattress, the box-spring, and maybe even the carpet below the bed.

I mean, I've been with women who could...secrete some fluid, but I'd never encountered anything like this before.  I was like, "holy shiat!"
 
2013-07-30 12:40:19 AM

ambassador_ahab: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: but some women can really spray the field down with fertilizer when they masturbate.

No shiat.  I witnessed the full power of this not long ago, when she managed to soak through the sheets, the mattress, the box-spring, and maybe even the carpet below the bed.

I mean, I've been with women who could...secrete some fluid, but I'd never encountered anything like this before.  I was like, "holy shiat!"


They are called "men".  Just so you know.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:51 AM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Jim that's quite a leap honestly what the fark would you know about it

I know nothing mind you
 
2013-07-30 12:44:27 AM

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


I'm expecting Ashton Kutcher to pop out with a camera crew any minute now and yell, "YOU JUST GOT PUNK'D!"
 
2013-07-30 12:44:41 AM

ambassador_ahab: tinfoil-hat maggie: If people are agreed on what they're willing to do what does it mater?

What if, for example, I simultaneously insert my left fist into the rectal cavity of an MtoF heterosexual female, and an FtoM homosexual male?  What we all did might be described entirely differently depending on the person you asked.


Well true but you're hitting trolltastic territory here. Just saying.
/You are sounding like a 3rd grader.
 
2013-07-30 12:45:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Why do do you need to classify/label it? If people are agreed on what they're willing to do what does it mater?


Probably the same reason people feel the need to label and draw ever finer distinctions about LGBTQN. It's a way to describe something, or oneself, without having to go into graphic play by play detail about what specific lifestyle or sex acts you like with whom.  From my point of view, if someone invited me over for "unspecified acts that I may have never heard of before", i would probably decline.  Give me some hint ahead of time.   Makes it easier to put an ad on a singles site.  The idea that "labels are bad" is new age psuedo-enlightened silliness.
 
2013-07-30 12:48:08 AM
You know, this seems a lot better than the last TG thread we had here. That was one hell of a clusterfark.
 
2013-07-30 12:48:33 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well true but you're hitting trolltastic territory here. Just saying.
/You are sounding like a 3rd grader.


Lulz, not trying to troll.  My actual point is that when I think of the people I love and care about, I think of who they are as people, and not necessarily some specific category they fall into.  More like, "this is my friend Jenny, and here are the amazing things I enjoy about our friendship, etc etc."

That being said, I would be the first to admit that I have (at best) the emotional maturity of a 3rd grader, so no surprise if it sounds that way.
 
2013-07-30 12:50:59 AM

ambassador_ahab: revrendjim: but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Well, I knew a person in college who was born a male, with a fully operating penis and everything.  This person identified as a male until around my sophomore year of college.  At that point, I lived abroad for 1/2 year.  The next year when I returned, this person was now female (hormone therapy and everything,) and I barely recognized "her."  Interestingly, she identified as a lesbian at the time I returned.

So she was apparently a lesbian woman trapped inside a man's body, and corrected it with a sex-change operation.

So if she had decided she was a "he," and not transgender, then the person would be heterosexual.  But because the person was transgender, the person was homosexual from the perspective of their new identity.


Kind of how Chastity Bono was a gay woman, and now Chaz Bono is a straight man, correct?
 
2013-07-30 12:54:33 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ambassador_ahab: tinfoil-hat maggie: I say yes if all parties are agreed : )

Let's assume, arguendo, that "consenting" in this instance includes "figure out how to properly label/classify the activity at some point in the future, and get to business for now."

Why do do you need to classify/label it? If people are agreed on what they're willing to do what does it mater?


Don't need to.  You could get off by taking a shiat on the carpet.  Just don't do it on MY carpet, and I don't care.  It's like the neighbor that lets their dog shiat on your lawn.  You complain and they think it's okay to let the dog pee on your lawn after you complain and pick up the shiat.  In reality, just keep your dog on your own lawn and no one cares.
 
2013-07-30 12:59:21 AM

codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

I was born with a Y chromosome. I could identify as homosexual but then people say, "but you married a man", with a confused look on their face. I otherwise have a fairly vanilla heterosexual relationship with my husband. He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi. I'm actually comfortable with all three designations so it can sometimes change based on the situation.


So let me get this straight (tee hee)...you were born a biological male, transitioned to female, and married a male who likes other males? Yeah...calling yourself bisexual sounds a lot less complicated. 8^)
 
2013-07-30 12:59:32 AM

tbeatty: ambassador_ahab: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: but some women can really spray the field down with fertilizer when they masturbate.

No shiat.  I witnessed the full power of this not long ago, when she managed to soak through the sheets, the mattress, the box-spring, and maybe even the carpet below the bed.

I mean, I've been with women who could...secrete some fluid, but I'd never encountered anything like this before.  I was like, "holy shiat!"

They are called "men".  Just so you know.


Some women are inherent gushers. Some women squirt like they're an oil pipeline that sprung a leak. If you spend a moment on giving a woman what they want, you'll be surprised on what is or is not "socially normal" behavior.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:54 AM

tbeatty: They are called "men".  Just so you know.


You're just mad that your needle dick never made a woman squirt.
 
2013-07-30 01:02:20 AM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)


I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.
 
2013-07-30 01:03:00 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you spend a moment on giving a woman what they want, you'll be surprised on what is or is not "socially normal" behavior.


Oh, I didn't tell her to stop.  I'd just never encountered such a thing before.
 
2013-07-30 01:04:39 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.


He dates trans-women not shemales.
 
2013-07-30 01:07:12 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

I was born with a Y chromosome. I could identify as homosexual but then people say, "but you married a man", with a confused look on their face. I otherwise have a fairly vanilla heterosexual relationship with my husband. He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi. I'm actually comfortable with all three designations so it can sometimes change based on the situation.

So let me get this straight (tee hee)...you were born a biological male, transitioned to female, and married a male who likes other males? Yeah...calling yourself bisexual sounds a lot less complicated. 8^)


Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.
 
2013-07-30 01:10:06 AM

codergirl42: FuryOfFirestorm: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.

He dates trans-women not shemales.


Mea culpa. I'm not quite familiar with the proper terms.
 
2013-07-30 01:10:28 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-30 01:10:54 AM

codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.


Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?
 
2013-07-30 01:12:20 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Look at all the FarkLibbies getting all red-assed butthurt because some old televangelist agrees with them.

You pitiful bastards, the lot of ya.
 
2013-07-30 01:21:58 AM

TheJoe03: tbeatty: They are called "men".  Just so you know.

You're just mad that your needle dick never made a woman squirt.


Naah, you're just uncomfortable that your needle made a man soak the carpet.  Your satisfaction that their super dry "vagina' made a sticky mess on the floor from their giant "clitoris" and the response that it was "your turn" in the prison cell followed by your blackout is something your therapist is working on.

/Therapist: "You're in denial."
//You: No! I really wanted to make the only woman housed in the State Correctional Facility for Men come in buckets when she was assigned to my cell.  And I did!!
 
2013-07-30 01:24:49 AM

TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?


Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.
 
2013-07-30 01:27:41 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: FuryOfFirestorm: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.

He dates trans-women not shemales.

Mea culpa. I'm not quite familiar with the proper terms.


Well now you know.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-30 01:28:04 AM

tbeatty: Naah, you're just uncomfortable that your needle made a man soak the carpet.


Protip: Men don't have vaginas or squirt.

/not only are you a racist, but also a creepy homophobe that doesn't know women squirt.
 
2013-07-30 01:30:55 AM

codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.


I didn't know about that till I watched the L Word.
/But yea there are many gay men and women that have never been with the opposite sex.
 
2013-07-30 01:32:01 AM

Lochsteppe: show me: optikeye: I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."


You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.
Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

This is the most asshole comment I have ever seen. Hating someone for who you think they are rather than their comments. I don't like the dude much either, but in this case he said something halfway decent.

Pat Robertson might sleep with you.


I've always wanted a mancougar. Yawwwwr!
 
2013-07-30 01:33:07 AM

codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.


"Gold Star Gays" are gay guys that never had sex with a woman

"Double Gold Star Gays" never had sex with a woman and were born via C-Section.

I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay because in addition to the former and the latter, my mom became a lesbian after I was born. I infected her with my gayness.
 
2013-07-30 01:34:01 AM
Dear Pat Robertson,

Go into the light already you stupid fark.

Sincerely,

Me
 
2013-07-30 01:37:45 AM

TheJoe03: tbeatty: Naah, you're just uncomfortable that your needle made a man soak the carpet.

Protip: Men don't have vaginas or squirt.


Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.
 
2013-07-30 01:41:13 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.

"Gold Star Gays" are gay guys that never had sex with a woman

"Double Gold Star Gays" never had sex with a woman and were born via C-Section.

I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay because in addition to the former and the latter, my mom became a lesbian after I was born. I infected her with my gayness.


Do you feel special?
 
2013-07-30 01:41:33 AM

tbeatty: Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.


I'm still not sure what female ejaculation has to do with transsexuals or men. Are you retarded?
 
2013-07-30 01:43:26 AM

hardinparamedic: profplump: Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height.

[i.imgur.com image 400x400]


By "change our height" I mean things like "wear lifts/heels" or "slouch" or any of the other things you could do to change your "social height" -- your height as it appears to others. I realize actually changing the length of your femur is somewhat more involved, but so is gender reassignment surgery. My point is even though your height is fairly static over your adult life it isn't registered as an immutable fact in anyone's database, and we don't treat you poorly for choosing to make adjustments to it. There's no reason for us to treat gender any differently. You shouldn't have to "legally" change your gender because it shouldn't be a legal fact in the first place.
 
2013-07-30 01:44:29 AM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.


I have already been proclaimed Queen of the Leprechaun folks, as at 5 10, I am short- and I will have you know he is NOT one of our people. More of a Brownie or a Pixie. I seriously doubt he is, in any manner associated with any of the Sidhe. Not by blood.
 
2013-07-30 01:58:53 AM

TheHighlandHowler: He also thinks pot should be legal.


And that is why he is wrong.
 
2013-07-30 01:59:20 AM

TheJoe03: tbeatty: Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.

I'm still not sure what female ejaculation has to do with men.


It's a subtle difference lost on you, apparently.  Have you spent time outside of prison or with women?
 
2013-07-30 02:01:02 AM

alienated: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.

I have already been proclaimed Queen of the Leprechaun folks, as at 5 10, I am short- and I will have you know he is NOT one of our people. More of a Brownie or a Pixie. I seriously doubt he is, in any manner associated with any of the Sidhe. Not by blood.


Um, wait you're 5'10" how you doin' : )

/I'm guessing west coast is a silly place.
//Okay I went to LA once, did not like.
 
2013-07-30 02:02:07 AM

tbeatty: TheJoe03: tbeatty: Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.

I'm still not sure what female ejaculation has to do with men.

It's a subtle difference lost on you, apparently.  Have you spent time outside of prison or with women?


snerk
 
2013-07-30 02:04:19 AM

tbeatty: It's a subtle difference lost on you, apparently.  Have you spent time outside of prison or with women?


Are you projecting or something?
 
2013-07-30 02:11:36 AM

tbeatty: TheJoe03: tbeatty: Naah, you're just uncomfortable that your needle made a man soak the carpet.

Protip: Men don't have vaginas or squirt.

Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.


Protip 1: If you call your penis a needle, that's your problem
Protip 2: It's YOUR needle, not YOU ARE needle .
 
2013-07-30 02:13:53 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: FuryOfFirestorm: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi.

If I just saw you walking down the street, I'd probably assume you were female.  After dating someone that was trans, I quit identifying as anything (why must we throw a label on it?)

I have a friend who dates both women and she-males, and I consider him straight, even though that technically makes him bisexual.

He dates trans-women not shemales.

Mea culpa. I'm not quite familiar with the proper terms.


Meh. The error is mostly one of connotation. She-male would imply his "dates" are hookers in the business of selling the "chicks with dicks" fantasy. That's a whole 'nuther thing...
 
2013-07-30 02:20:53 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.

"Gold Star Gays" are gay guys that never had sex with a woman

"Double Gold Star Gays" never had sex with a woman and were born via C-Section.

I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay because in addition to the former and the latter, my mom became a lesbian after I was born. I infected her with my gayness.


That's nearly the most purestly gay thing I can imagine. Kudos!
 
2013-07-30 02:21:32 AM

revrendjim: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

I don't really care who farks who, but I was thinking logically: If in your life you have officially been both genders, then regardless of which one you prefer it is possible to connect the dots in a homo way.


You're right after a fashion: while being transsexual and being bisexual or gay may not be related logically or in reality, they are connected in some people's minds; therefore transsexual folk (not to mention transgender* folk in general) will be PERCEIVED as gay by many people, whether or not they REALLY are.

To give an example I've used before in previous Fark threads: both  Matt Kailey and Chaz Bono are ftm transsexuals: they consider themselves to be male but were born with female bodies.  Bono has, or had, a girlfriend, whereas Kailey considered himself to be a gay man.

If you accept them as men, then Kailey is a gay man and Bono is a straight male; but if you see them as "deluded women who have mutilated their bodies" (and I know they're in the thread already) then I suppose you must see Bono as being a "lesbian."  But either way, I guess you'd have to agree that at least one of them is gay.

Honestly, there is so much overlap between transphobia and homophobia that I'm quite shocked to find out that someone as homophobic as Pat Robertson is NOT transphobic.

*There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.
 
2013-07-30 02:29:06 AM

Super Chronic: cman: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true?  Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?  And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)?  Honest questions.


Yes.  For all the people like to joke about it, "lesbian trapped in a man's body" is real.  As is "gay man trapped in a woman's body."    Matt Kailey is a gay transsman, for example.   Bethany Black describes herself as a "lesbian, transsexual comedian."
 
2013-07-30 02:36:53 AM

ciberido: There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.


It's true but yea it's pretty much useless trying to correct people in a Fark thread. Which is sad.
 
2013-07-30 02:37:59 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.

It's true but yea it's pretty much useless trying to correct people in a Fark thread. Which is sad.


It's kinda the point of this thread, which is ultrasad.
 
2013-07-30 02:39:30 AM

tbeatty: TheJoe03: tbeatty: Protip: if you're sticking you're needle in a dry hole and they squirt all over the floor while the hole is still dry and their Adams apple makes a low moaning growl, it ain't a vag.

I'm still not sure what female ejaculation has to do with men.

It's a subtle difference lost on you, apparently.  Have you spent time outside of prison or with women?


Congratulations. You are now farkied in red#1 as "Homophobic child". I truly hope the attention helps keep you from leaving sh*tstains on your sheets tonight.
 
2013-07-30 02:39:45 AM

TheJoe03: tbeatty: It's a subtle difference lost on you, apparently.  Have you spent time outside of prison or with women?

Are you projecting or something?


Not at all.  Who you stroke to soak the floor is your business.  Nothing wrong with it.  Your parents might still love you when you come out.  Just thought you should know before the engagement and introductions.  "We met in prison" isn't going to fool many people so you should be prepared when you try to explain it's a vag that makes your needle smell funny (and not the good funny).
 
2013-07-30 02:45:39 AM

Fano: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.

It's true but yea it's pretty much useless trying to correct people in a Fark thread. Which is sad.

It's kinda the point of this thread, which is ultrasad.


I'm not sure what you mean.
 
2013-07-30 02:46:21 AM

tbeatty: Not at all.  Who you stroke to soak the floor is your business.  Nothing wrong with it.  Your parents might still love you when you come out.  Just thought you should know before the engagement and introductions.  "We met in prison" isn't going to fool many people so you should be prepared when you try to explain it's a vag that makes your needle smell funny (and not the good funny).


Again, how did you turn a conversation about female ejaculation into one about male prison sex? Stop projecting so much.

/still not even sure how a male can squirt, you must jizz like crazy.
 
2013-07-30 02:48:54 AM
Labels are helpful. They're shorthand. I see nothing wrong with calling myself a straight man, even if it doesn't quite match exactly. Sure, I could introduce myself as a heterophobic libertine with motivational issues*, but why the f*ck would I?

*I'm very uncomfortable being physically close to, or having an intimate conversation with, straight men. I can handle gay men just fine even if I don't want to f*ck them. I don't really understand that, to be honest. It's the same kind of creepy-crawly sensation I get when forced to go the the mall on Christmas Eve: I don't care what I have to do, I want out of the situation RIGHT THE HELL NOW before I flip the hell out. If I felt the same way around all men, I could just chalk it up to being a homophobe and own it, but since gay men don't make me any more uncomfortable than ugly girls I'm pretty sure that's not it.
 
2013-07-30 02:49:51 AM

ciberido: *There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.


All I know is both sections on Camster cost the same.
/I've been told
 
2013-07-30 02:51:39 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.

I have already been proclaimed Queen of the Leprechaun folks, as at 5 10, I am short- and I will have you know he is NOT one of our people. More of a Brownie or a Pixie. I seriously doubt he is, in any manner associated with any of the Sidhe. Not by blood.

Um, wait you're 5'10" how you doin' : )

/I'm guessing west coast is a silly place.
//Okay I went to LA once, did not like.


I've been to Alabama, but without a musical instrument at a joint, or on a joint.
 
2013-07-30 03:00:42 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fano: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.

It's true but yea it's pretty much useless trying to correct people in a Fark thread. Which is sad.

It's kinda the point of this thread, which is ultrasad.

I'm not sure what you mean.


This thread is a perfect point to explain the differences between homosexuals, transgenders, and transsexuals.
 
2013-07-30 03:01:31 AM

alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.

I have already been proclaimed Queen of the Leprechaun folks, as at 5 10, I am short- and I will have you know he is NOT one of our people. More of a Brownie or a Pixie. I seriously doubt he is, in any manner associated with any of the Sidhe. Not by blood.

Um, wait you're 5'10" how you doin' : )

/I'm guessing west coast is a silly place.
//Okay I went to LA once, did not like.

I've been to Alabama, but without a musical instrument at a joint, or on a joint.


Well you see in the south we have cities/towns that are nothing like the rest of the state. It's true, granted they always try to creep in. Before you know it you got cars up on blocks and guys rebuilding the engine and not to mention their are times when couches become front porch accessories :/
 
2013-07-30 03:12:49 AM

Fano: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fano: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: There is a difference between being transgender and being transsexual but I won't go into it right now.

It's true but yea it's pretty much useless trying to correct people in a Fark thread. Which is sad.

It's kinda the point of this thread, which is ultrasad.

I'm not sure what you mean.

This thread is a perfect point to explain the differences between homosexuals, transgenders, and transsexuals.


Except no one would listen. Okay fine, from wiki.
,Transgender,transsexual.
/Otherwise what I'm saying is read a bit,
 
2013-07-30 03:13:27 AM

TopoGigo: Labels are helpful. They're shorthand. I see nothing wrong with calling myself a straight man, even if it doesn't quite match exactly. Sure, I could introduce myself as a heterophobic libertine with motivational issues*, but why the f*ck would I?

*I'm very uncomfortable being physically close to, or having an intimate conversation with, straight men. I can handle gay men just fine even if I don't want to f*ck them. I don't really understand that, to be honest. It's the same kind of creepy-crawly sensation I get when forced to go the the mall on Christmas Eve: I don't care what I have to do, I want out of the situation RIGHT THE HELL NOW before I flip the hell out. If I felt the same way around all men, I could just chalk it up to being a homophobe and own it, but since gay men don't make me any more uncomfortable than ugly girls I'm pretty sure that's not it.


Heh. I'm much the same way, except I'm not all that fond of gay guys either (although they're often marginally more tolerable). Never really understood where it came from. I had male friends into my early 20s, and then one day, being around other guys in anything more than the most casual or impersonal of settings just felt...awkward and abrasive. And it was literally just "one day," as if someone flipped a switch.

We should totally hang out sometime, and talk about it!

/...wait, no.
 
2013-07-30 04:00:20 AM

TheJoe03: tbeatty: Not at all.  Who you stroke to soak the floor is your business.  Nothing wrong with it.  Your parents might still love you when you come out.  Just thought you should know before the engagement and introductions.  "We met in prison" isn't going to fool many people so you should be prepared when you try to explain it's a vag that makes your needle smell funny (and not the good funny).

Again, how did you turn a conversation about female ejaculation into one about male prison sex? Stop projecting so much.

/still not even sure how a male can squirt, you must jizz like crazy.


When a male engages in prostate play, sometimes it can cause ejaculation just from prostate stimulation. Sounds like he required full penetration, not just analingius.
 
2013-07-30 04:16:32 AM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Cause you don't identify with the gender you are born with. It this so hard to grasp?
 
2013-07-30 04:55:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pat Robertson is a leprechaun.

I have already been proclaimed Queen of the Leprechaun folks, as at 5 10, I am short- and I will have you know he is NOT one of our people. More of a Brownie or a Pixie. I seriously doubt he is, in any manner associated with any of the Sidhe. Not by blood.

Um, wait you're 5'10" how you doin' : )

/I'm guessing west coast is a silly place.
//Okay I went to LA once, did not like.

I've been to Alabama, but without a musical instrument at a joint, or on a joint.

Well you see in the south we have cities/towns that are nothing like the rest of the state. It's true, granted they always try to creep in. Before you know it you got cars up on blocks and guys rebuilding the engine and not to mention their are times when couches become front porch accessories :/


in other words- lots of porches everywhere. I keep thinking of Mobile as a giant oil/.gas platform ...I know- that wrong.
 
2013-07-30 06:12:04 AM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


There are people who transition, but remain attracted to the opposite sex of their birth gender. Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are completely separate concepts.
 
2013-07-30 06:24:13 AM

rdpeete1986: There are people who transition, but remain attracted to the opposite sex of their birth gender. Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are completely separate concepts.


I AGREE whole heartedly that sexual orientation and gender identity are not related but it is a form of homosexuality.

I have several friends that transitioned (and are happy and wonderful people)

For example...

If you were born male, and transitioned to being female, and then love men - that is (complicated I know) "former male loving men". Even if we (and we should) fully respect that person's chosen identity (and I do) That does not erase their previous identity, it just changes it.

If you were born male, and transitioned to being female, and remain loving women - that is (again complicated) "female loving other females". Again if we fully respect that person's chosen identity, then that is homosexual in the more obvious sense.

so either way, it is a form of homosexuality ... just not as obviously as straight out homosexuality.

Both exist and neither of those sexuality choices were related (necessarily) to gender identity or caused by it. But both are (in a very different way) a "form" of homosexuality.

Now if only I could convince people that not all homosexuals have a difficulty with gender identity (most people who I talk to about sexuality assume that two gay guys - one is always the girl... frustrating)

// Bisexual for the record, and comfortable in my gender identity
/ Really sad to see people who mess with other's people's choices, really proud to see people openly be and do what they want.
 
2013-07-30 07:18:53 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.


I would say that the very act of accepting the job of boss of the world's largest child-rape cult qualifies as "acting like a giant douche".
 
2013-07-30 07:24:28 AM
I still have no idea what Pan's inverted, hooved leg is called!
 
2013-07-30 07:54:59 AM
Pat's Cheese Steaks
 
2013-07-30 09:05:52 AM
So is Phelps gonna protest Robertson now?
 
2013-07-30 09:20:37 AM

Lewdy: swaniefrmreddeer: Pat's been watching the pope and realizes people like you more when don't act like a giant douche. He ain't foolin' nobody.

I would say that the very act of accepting the job of boss of the world's largest child-rape cult qualifies as "acting like a giant douche".


Catholicism is not a cult... child rapists sure... assholes, sure, reprehensible scumbags sure ...
... anyone with the charisma and desire to lead that organization is quid pro quo entirely unsuitable for the job (sorry for the paraphrasing Douglas Adams you god damned legend and one of my heroes)

Gotta say though, Francis is a LOT better than the last two (still not sure that that isnt just because he is better at pretending but so... JP was evil and Benedict was uber evil, this one is better at fooling or perhaps better.

Pat on the other hand I AGREE aint anywhere near as good as your proposed teacher of him, too many years of being an obviously evil douche to go back now Pat - or to quote someone I have recent respect for ....

 He ain't foolin' nobody.
 
2013-07-30 09:32:20 AM
Why does anyone give a sh*t what he says?
Just another old, white man who thinks he knows what god wants.
Why would any god need his help?
 
2013-07-30 09:33:00 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yep, generally sexuality is who you want to have sex with, gender identity is who you wanna be when you have sex with that person. That's way simplified to the point of being incorrect. But well these threads are usually at a 3rd grade level.



I'd abstract that (further), gender is independent of sexuality. Gender is simply who you want to be (or, better said, who you are) regardless of whether you want to have sex at all.
 
2013-07-30 09:44:19 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why does anyone give a sh*t what he says?
Just another old, white man who thinks he knows what god wants.
Why would any god need his help?



Because unfortunately the reality is that a lot of people take what he and others like him say to heart, or mind. Whatever.

Think of it like a game of Othello: easier to change one mind at the top and let the sheeple follow suit rather than teach all the sheeple to think first. It's just pragmatic at this point.
 
2013-07-30 10:07:23 AM

optikeye: Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"


I love when I don't have to wade through a large thread because someone already made my post for me.
 
2013-07-30 12:01:17 PM

codergirl42: FuryOfFirestorm: codergirl42: TheJoe03: codergirl42: Well, my husband is attracted to men and women but he prefers to identify as gay, although I'd consider him straight.

Maybe it's like how American society considers half white and half black people "black".

/is there a "one drop" (no pun intended) rule for sexuality?

Yes, You Can Be A Golden Gay If Youve Never Had Straight sex.

"Gold Star Gays" are gay guys that never had sex with a woman

"Double Gold Star Gays" never had sex with a woman and were born via C-Section.

I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay because in addition to the former and the latter, my mom became a lesbian after I was born. I infected her with my gayness.

Do you feel special?


You mean, beside my usual gay powers which let me set up straight girls with the man of their dreams, make the perfect souffle, pick out the best wine to go with it, and redecorate the most slovenly hovel into a home worthy of the cover of Architectural Digest? No, not really.

But if I mention that I'm a Triple Gold Star Gay at the movie theater, I get a free small soda!
 
2013-07-30 01:07:08 PM
I swear this is the beginning of conservatives twisting LGBT rights to look like it was their idea all along and that liberals were the real homophobes.
 
2013-07-30 01:07:16 PM

Oldiron_79: So is Phelps gonna protest Robertson now?


Phelps' doctrine is that anyone not a part of his church is evil and going to hell. So wouldn't be surprised.

When are we going to go Meta and get One Million Moms to launch a protest.
 
2013-07-30 01:27:47 PM
Transgenderism is an Affectation.
 
2013-07-30 05:23:17 PM

letrole: Transgenderism is an Affectation.


eat at Pat's

jschumacher.typepad.com
 
2013-07-30 10:09:40 PM

leonel: I swear this is the beginning of conservatives twisting LGBT rights to look like it was their idea all along and that liberals were the real homophobes.


I dunno - I'm pretty sure there's a limit to how much cognitive dissonance a mind can handle before it collapses.

/I hope...
 
2013-07-31 12:51:07 AM

rdpeete1986: revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

There are people who transition, but remain attracted to the opposite sex of their birth gender. Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are completely separate concepts.


I'm personally of the opinion that there are times when we should eschew the terms "homosexual" and "heterosexual" in favor of "gynephile" and "androphile."  Not just when talking about transgender folks, but there are other times when they're really more useful than "heterosexual" and "homosexual."

For example, instead of saying "here's a picture of a handsome naked man for the ladies to enjoy ... well, the heterosexual ladies .... and the gay men,  too, not to mention you crazy bisexuals,"  I could just say ""here's a picture of a handsome naked man for the androphiles to enjoy" and be done with it.  When the central point is which sex you are attracted TO (rather than whether or not the sex you are attracted to happens to be your own), it really makes more sense to reflect that with a single word than constructions like "gay men, bisexuals, and heterosexual women."
 
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