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2013-07-29 09:33:33 PM

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.
 
2013-07-29 09:34:37 PM
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2013-07-29 09:35:07 PM
Look, if one day Stan comes up to you and says "From now on I want you all to call me Loretta", then that's Stan, 'er, Loretta's bother.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:09 PM

revrendjim: but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Well, I knew a person in college who was born a male, with a fully operating penis and everything.  This person identified as a male until around my sophomore year of college.  At that point, I lived abroad for 1/2 year.  The next year when I returned, this person was now female (hormone therapy and everything,) and I barely recognized "her."  Interestingly, she identified as a lesbian at the time I returned.

So she was apparently a lesbian woman trapped inside a man's body, and corrected it with a sex-change operation.

So if she had decided she was a "he," and not transgender, then the person would be heterosexual.  But because the person was transgender, the person was homosexual from the perspective of their new identity.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:13 PM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:31 PM
He's playing the classic 'Duck Season/Rabbit Season' gambit. He's waiting for the LGBLTs to say ' Nuh-uh- Transgenders are totally sinful!' then he'll say 'Gotcha!' and he wins forever.
 
2013-07-29 09:36:38 PM
Secretly, he calls himself Patricia.
 
2013-07-29 09:37:22 PM

ginkor: This generous attitude probably stems from the problems associated with incestuous marriage in Arabia


Really? Are you sure it doesn't stem from them all having sand in their penises which causes them to invert and become vaginas?
 
2013-07-29 09:38:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.


Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?
 
2013-07-29 09:38:36 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

People who are being discriminated against stick together. Imagine that.?

It's almost as if people shouldn't be complacent with idiots who have nothing but bad intentions in mind for them.


Plus the whole Stonewall thing was started by folks who still sit in the back of the lgbt bus . ...
 
2013-07-29 09:38:46 PM

Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.


Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.
 
2013-07-29 09:38:51 PM
Kinda makes sense.

In Christian dogma it's the actual act of homosexual sex that is a sin, not the act of a man being in love with a man, or a women in love with a women. With that in mind for someone to change sex would not be seen as a sin since allows them to have man/women sexual intercourse.
 
2013-07-29 09:39:00 PM

codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man


So were you born with a Y chromosome?
 
2013-07-29 09:39:25 PM
I was going to form an opinion on this,  but I was overcome with the absurdity of the whole thing.

A large number of people believe in an invisible man in the sky.

One sub-group of these people have a hundred versions of a book of rules that maybe 1% of them have read, and that exactly 0% of them obey.

One guy out of this one sub-group has an opinion as to whether or not something is against said rules.

I'm not sure exactly where the "Who Gives A shiat" demarcation is for y'all, but I hit it on the first bullet point there.
 
2013-07-29 09:40:22 PM

Cyno01: Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?


Race =/= Sexuality or Gender issues. It's an irrelevant comparison. The fact is that they face similar discrimination from the same groups of people.
 
2013-07-29 09:41:15 PM
This behavior surprises and fascinates me.  Especially considering that most people equate transgender people with homosexuals or even look down upon transgender folks as something worse than homosexuality.  Heck, even a good number of gay folks don't view transgender people in the best of light.

But seriously, despite how I feel about Mr. Robertson and what he stands for, I hope he's taking this stand for the right reasons, and I hope it makes a positive difference for people who are struggling with the decision to transition or who are struggling with their transition.  So, kudos to him, and kudos to them.
 
2013-07-29 09:41:32 PM

codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man. It requires much less explanation than referring to myself as gay or straight.


I can imagine, given all the questions people would ask.

You'd probably know more about this than I - I've been hearing things about "trans erasure" in the QuILTBAG advocacies, campaigns and just in general (sorry, no specific examples handy right now). Is that true, and if so why would the group turn against one of their own like that?

/I probably sound stunningly ignorant with that last part...
 
2013-07-29 09:41:35 PM

ambassador_ahab: So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Sex Chromosomes determine what haploid cell you produce. They only play one part of a multi-faceted gender development.

And a person is legally allowed to change their sex once they are into their transition process.
 
2013-07-29 09:42:02 PM

Mjeck: This is just Pat Robertson becoming senile.

YOu know how your gramps becomes a raging racist in his old age, but you have no clue where it came from? This is what's going on, but the opposite for Pat


Hey, he was only in the Klan for the social gatherings.  It was very similar to the church, they all worshiped a cross, but one group preferred bonfires in the great outdoors.
 
2013-07-29 09:43:32 PM
Dementia.
 
2013-07-29 09:44:24 PM

angryjd: Sorry guys. It's no longer news any time Pat Robertson says something stupid.


quite right!

/It's not News it's FARK!
 
2013-07-29 09:44:35 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?


Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.
 
2013-07-29 09:46:20 PM

Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.


Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.
 
2013-07-29 09:46:36 PM

Shedim: Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.


I never said it did.  I asked a specific question to a specific person....was that person born with a Y chromosome?  I was just curious.  I've dated someone who was trans.  I have not problem with it at all.  It was just curiosity.  That's all.
 
2013-07-29 09:47:39 PM

hardinparamedic: The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Doesn't one of those tea-party congresswoman have a husband that does the whole "gay conversion therapy" nonsense?
 
2013-07-29 09:48:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Mind you, the last thread I was in had someone claiming that Iran has the highest rate of successful transgender surgeries in the world because they were forcing all the homosexuals to go through with it, so maybe it's just a different version of crazy.
 
2013-07-29 09:48:25 PM

CK2005: Cyno01: If you want people to stop equating gender identity with sexuality, then maybe the lgbtqcbbqasdf community or whatever acronym they're using for themselves this week should split.

Not all gays/lesbians/bisexuals relate to transsexuals.  I think it's more that we face some similar discrimination than that we're saying they're exactly like us.


Oh no, I understand that completely, I know gays who are transphobic because they think transexuals are just gays who cant/wont admit their orientation and would rather cop out by saying they're straight women in a man's body. Acceptance starts with small steps, but if the trannies want to hitch their wagon on the gay rights train, they need to get over the average resident of Peoria confusing/conflating sexual and gender issues.
 
2013-07-29 09:49:52 PM

ambassador_ahab: I never said it did.  I asked a specific question to a specific person....was that person born with a Y chromosome?  I was just curious.  I've dated someone who was trans.  I have not problem with it at all.  It was just curiosity.  That's all.


Last time someone posted something along those lines in a previous thread it was followed up by the usual "then you aren't female and never will be " bullshiat that usually gets posted in them, so I was being pre-emptive. My apologies for jumping on you.
 
2013-07-29 09:50:04 PM

ambassador_ahab: Doesn't one of those tea-party congresswoman have a husband that does the whole "gay conversion therapy" nonsense?


Michelle Bachmann. Her husband is an "ex-gay" claimee himself, who runs a psychology practice which is the public face of the ex-gay movement.

Very few times in the history of the APA has something been declared blatant quackery. Ex-Gay has the distinction of being one of these.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:35 PM

revrendjim: cman: Christianity finds homosexuality as a sin

Transgenderism isn't homosexuality

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


Well, you're not homosexual any more, after you're done.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:58 PM

hardinparamedic: Cyno01: Say the NAACP and the JDL formed one organization, but then whined about it every time someone compared jews and blacks?

Race =/= Sexuality or Gender issues. It's an irrelevant comparison.

The fact is that they face similar discrimination from the same groups of people.

That's exactly why it was an apt comparison.
 
2013-07-29 09:52:58 PM

Shedim: I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.


Start here, and read by Control-F and searching his name from there down.
 
2013-07-29 09:53:35 PM

revrendjim: Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?


If you define gender with respect to genitalia, and homosexuality therefore as being sexually attracted to people with the type of same genitalia you have, and sexual attraction as being distinctly "for" or "against" each of the types of genitalia, then yes at some point in the process there's probably "homosexuality" in the mix.

But there are lots of ways around that. The easiest is to recognize that "homosexuality" is not an independent attribute; it depends on the gender of both parties (and therefore also on the way gender and sexual attraction are defined, including the existence of a clear distinction among genders) and so anything you do to change gender in the middle of the discussion makes the concept of "homosexuality" moot just like changing the frame of reference in the middle of a physics problem would make it impossible to have any rational discussion about "velocity" over the entire period.

Another is to treat gender assignment as a "correction" to avoid homosexual behavior; it's generally not a sin to make a change in your life that will prevent future sin.
 
2013-07-29 09:54:15 PM
I have a headache.

I need a man and a woman and a womman and a manwyn.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:13 PM

ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?


I was born with a Y chromosome. I could identify as homosexual but then people say, "but you married a man", with a confused look on their face. I otherwise have a fairly vanilla heterosexual relationship with my husband. He identifies himself as gay, and I can relate to that, but it does get a little complicated. I am attracted to men and women so it's better easier if I just identify as Bi. I'm actually comfortable with all three designations so it can sometimes change based on the situation.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:29 PM
I don't give a shiat what this demented old bastard thinks. He's spent the past 30 years poisoning people's minds and amassing a fortune preaching hate and intolerance. fark that man and his god.
 
2013-07-29 09:55:56 PM
Maybe the old christer was surfing online and decided try some tranny videos or gay thugs and he liked it.

Behold the power of pr0n!
 
2013-07-29 09:56:29 PM

hardinparamedic: Shedim: ambassador_ahab: codergirl42: I'm transgender and I identify as bisexual, even though I married a man

So were you born with a Y chromosome?

Chromosomal makeup ≠ gender.

Just wait. Eventually this thread will devolve into people telling us how transgenders are mentally ill and a danger to themselves because they want to "mutilate" themselves, and how like gays they just need to go to Jesus Camp to learn how to be normal.

No. I'm not kidding. The last thread, someone ACTUALLY put forth Ex-gay therapy as a legitimate medical treatment.


Sounds like a typically anti-trans FARK.com "discussion".
 
2013-07-29 09:57:02 PM
came in for prayer assualt.

i.imgur.com

/feeling satiated
 
2013-07-29 09:57:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Shedim: I must've missed that - and I usually visit every transgender thread. Dear Gods that's horrifying.

Start here, and read by Control-F and searching his name from there down.


Oh, THAT troll. I have it blocked as a "Semantics troll" since it was trying to argue in the Archbishop Tutu thread that it was possible to disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic and hiding behind argumentum ad dictionarium when it was called to supply more information.

/I should probably update the block tag to "homophobic semantics troll"
 
2013-07-29 09:57:40 PM

propasaurus: Dementia.


I'm going with WAY stoned.
 
2013-07-29 09:58:17 PM

hardinparamedic: And a person is legally allowed to change their sex once they are into their transition process.


Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height. Oh wait, we are, because height isn't an attribute the government/society finds relevant to the way we are expected to treat people. The whole idea that there's any need to officially put people into box A or box B based on the conditions of their birth is ridiculous and essentially guarantees discrimination based on that label.
 
2013-07-29 09:58:53 PM
Are we allowed to post the headsplosion scene from Scanners? Cuz I think that's just about what happened when someone explained transgenderism to Pat.
 
2013-07-29 09:59:49 PM

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


He's been having these odd revelations for a while now. First he said Marijuana was ok and should be legalized and then someone wrote into his show asking his opinion on oral sex. His woman co-star seemed embarrassed but he seemed shocked that anyone would even bother asking. He said whatever happens in the bedroom of married adults is just fine.
 
2013-07-29 09:59:59 PM
www.perditionreport.com
 
2013-07-29 10:00:18 PM

profplump: Now if only we were legally allowed to change our height. Oh wait, we are, because height isn't an attribute the government/society finds relevant to the way we are expected to treat people. The whole idea that there's any need to officially put people into box A or box B based on the conditions of their birth is ridiculous and essentially guarantees discrimination based on that label.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-29 10:00:28 PM

Xanadone: I think Robertson's been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a look-a-like.  The idea that Pat would say something somewhat sane and humane on this subject just doesn't compute.


And back at the alien's HQ, they have the real Pat tied to a chair viewing the results on a monitor and getting more and more pissed off while the aliens are harvesting the energy from his anger for sustenance.

/I think that was the plot of a Star Trek episode.
 
2013-07-29 10:00:43 PM
There isn't any sin associated with a person saying God make a mistake and made them the wrong gender? All right, then. Maybe sin and sacrilege are different.
 
2013-07-29 10:02:38 PM
I really can't draw a bead on Robertson. One week he'll be saying how a disaster is God's punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality, then he'll go off and say that we need drug policy reform in the US because too many people are in jail for victimless crimes.

It's like he's the sanest man on the planet who tries to act crazy, or vice-versa. Either way, he's doing a fantastic job.
 
2013-07-29 10:04:06 PM
First weed and now this? Good shiat.
 
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