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(Hartford Courant)   Parents want over $600,000 because summer camp director stopped their low self-esteem daughter from having underage summer camp sex   (courant.com) divider line 247
    More: Stupid, CHLOE MILLER, self-esteem, Sue Lein, executive directors, Westport, underage, emotional well-being  
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2013-07-29 07:33:26 PM  
One time at band camp.......
 
2013-07-29 08:00:36 PM  
Was she hot?
 
2013-07-29 08:14:43 PM  
The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.
 
2013-07-29 08:17:44 PM  
The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.
 
2013-07-29 08:29:07 PM  
Your snowflake is a slut
 
2013-07-29 08:33:43 PM  
Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-07-29 08:38:10 PM  

gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut


I went to a co-ed Christian camp for the summer around that age (I had a good friend whose family was much more religious and he was going so I wanted to go to) and I can testify that almost every waking moment not occupied with various camp activities was spent scheming with my fellow male campers on how we could hook up with the female campers, or at least possibly see some of them naked.

Take a bunch of hormonal teenagers and put them out in the woods with minimal adult supervision and days spent in physical activity working those urges up, what do you expect to happen?

I think the camp certainly was out of line, if not just for expelling the girl for a makeout session, then for screaming and shouting at her when she was caught.

That being said, the parents are wackadoo if they think that this deserves the kind of damages they're asking.  If I were on the jury I'd be willing to award a pro-rated amount of the camp fee based on the time she was there, but that would be it.
 
2013-07-29 08:39:15 PM  

doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.


Ha!  That was an entire year of college for me...ahhh State Schools
 
2013-07-29 08:45:52 PM  

gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut


Oh good, I was hoping the Fark Misogyny Squad wouldn't sit this one out.

and have a seat over there for good measure.
 
2013-07-29 08:46:07 PM  

Richard Freckle: doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.

Ha!  That was an entire year of college for me...ahhh State Schools


Colleges don't need insurance for young kids, overnight supervision, uniforms, or a canoe for everyone. College students bring most of their own stuff, assume legal responsibilities, and are only there three times a week during business hours.

$1000 for a week of camp where your children are sent off is not unreasonable on the high end. Probably had electricity and laundry, too.
 
2013-07-29 09:06:04 PM  

doglover: Richard Freckle: doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.

Ha!  That was an entire year of college for me...ahhh State Schools

Colleges don't need insurance for young kids, overnight supervision, uniforms, or a canoe for everyone. College students bring most of their own stuff, assume legal responsibilities, and are only there three times a week during business hours.

$1000 for a week of camp where your children are sent off is not unreasonable on the high end. Probably had electricity and laundry, too.


Yeah I agree on the 1k. Sending a pair of kids away for a week at 12k is some pretty uninspired parenting.  A lot of cool education and/or fun could be had for 12k.
 
2013-07-29 09:28:21 PM  
On the other hand, the young gentleman earned his stud cred for the summer.

See? It all works out.
 
2013-07-29 09:32:01 PM  

TsarTom: On the other hand, the young gentleman earned his stud cred for the summer.

See? It all works out.


I was wondering if he got sent home, too. Some fine reportin' there, Lou.
 
2013-07-29 09:39:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: That being said, the parents are wackadoo if they think that this deserves the kind of damages they're asking.  If I were on the jury I'd be willing to award a pro-rated amount of the camp fee based on the time she was there, but that would be it.


Why not go for $600,000? The tuition was about $12,000. Transportation costs thrown in as well as accommodations for the kids during the missed camp time. Maybe the parents had other plans while the kids were at camp. Also, was the boy she kissed expelled as well? Sex discrimination? Maybe it'll teach the camp leaders not to go ballistic for kissing between a boy and a girl.

/Could have been two boys kissing or two girls, but I digress.
 
2013-07-29 10:01:13 PM  
I remember my first expulsion at summer camp.
That sleeping bag never came completely clean.
 
2013-07-29 10:32:58 PM  

mikeray: One time at banned camp.......


FTFY
 
2013-07-29 10:44:18 PM  

skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.


The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks
 
2013-07-29 10:45:46 PM  
Everyone involved in this story is an asshole piece of shiat, except probably the girl who got expelled. Lawyers, parents, counselors, whoever wrote the article, everyone.
 
2013-07-29 10:46:45 PM  

ArkAngel: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks


Fat rich people problems.
 
2013-07-29 10:53:17 PM  
A 15-year-old Westport girl and her family have filed a civil lawsuit against an overnight summer camp in the Berkshire Mountains, alleging negligent supervision, breach of contract and emotional damages after the girl was expelled from the camp, allegedly for kissing a boy.

For all this trouble, I hope she got tongue.
 
2013-07-29 10:54:57 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-29 10:55:44 PM  

skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.


To be fair, I'd be pissed too if I paid $12,000 NOT to get laid.
 
2013-07-29 10:56:24 PM  

ArkAngel: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks


Wouldn't it work better if they weren't feeding the little bastards?
 
2013-07-29 10:56:26 PM  
Wow what a clusterfark.  The entire thing gives me a headache.
 
2013-07-29 10:56:32 PM  
Thread is worthless without pics.

And before you call me a creep, I meant pics of the 11 year old sister. Way to jump to conclusions, asshole.
 
2013-07-29 10:56:53 PM  
Maybe she should have kissed a girl instead.
 
2013-07-29 10:56:53 PM  
15? Hate to break it to the parents but she's already been tagteamed by the entire football team. Probably starting giving handjobs at 12.
 
2013-07-29 10:59:00 PM  

Arkanaut: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

To be fair, I'd be pissed too if I paid $12,000 NOT to get laid.


Have you seen the average cost of weddings lately?

BTW, I'm getting a kick out of these replies since my just turned 13 year old just came back from 10 days of summer camp (same camp I went to when I was a young and stoopid idi10t).  Fortunately, I think I've raised her right and she's got a good brain and she uses it.
 
2013-07-29 10:59:08 PM  
Several people made a point of asking what happened to the boy involved. I'd be very interested to know that too. Was he hauled out in front of the camp and called all manner of names too? Not that he should have been mind you, but I'm betting there was a double standard here.

/still better than Kamp Krusty
 
2013-07-29 10:59:53 PM  
Every lawyer should get a 3 strike policy. On the third time they bring a case the courts rule ridiculous they lose their license.
 
2013-07-29 11:01:17 PM  

Lady Indica: /still better than Kamp Krusty


i.imgur.com

Gentlemen, to evil!
 
2013-07-29 11:02:13 PM  
So did the boy also get expelled?

/the punishment seems incredibly excessive
 
2013-07-29 11:02:22 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: 15? Hate to break it to the parents but she's already been tagteamed by the entire football team. Probably starting giving handjobs at 12.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Well youre an old single loser whos never going to have any friends.
 
2013-07-29 11:02:56 PM  
Paul Harvey is demanding to hear the rest of the story!
 
2013-07-29 11:03:33 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think the camp certainly was out of line, if not just for expelling the girl for a makeout session, then for screaming and shouting at her when she was caught.


I doubt they actually yelled at her, that's just what her hormone controlled mind thought. What I want to know is whether the boy was kicked out too.
 
2013-07-29 11:03:39 PM  

LadyHawke: So did the boy also get expelled?

/the punishment seems incredibly excessive


Seems very fitting to me. She wanted to get farked.
 
2013-07-29 11:04:27 PM  

you are a puppet: Thread is worthless without pics.

And before you call me a creep, I meant pics of the 11 year old sister. Way to jump to conclusions, asshole.


you.. you think this isn't creepy? If a fifth grader isn't creepy what is? First grade?
 
2013-07-29 11:04:52 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: TuteTibiImperes: I think the camp certainly was out of line, if not just for expelling the girl for a makeout session, then for screaming and shouting at her when she was caught.

I doubt they actually yelled at her, that's just what her hormone controlled mind thought. What I want to know is whether the boy was kicked out too.


The "boy" is very busy with his mayoral campaign.
 
2013-07-29 11:06:12 PM  
That much money for a summer camp? http://fw.ky.gov/navigation.aspx?cid=301&NavPath=C117C147 I went to that one 2 years in a row. $230 that my mom saved and scrimped for,she's amazing and I had so much damned fun.
 
2013-07-29 11:06:21 PM  

i.r.id10t: BTW, I'm getting a kick out of these replies since my just turned 13 year old just came back from 10 days of summer camp (same camp I went to when I was a young and stoopid idi10t).  Fortunately, I think I've raised her right and she's got a good brain and she uses it.


Looks at Fark handle...reads post. Fark handle...post. Fark handle...post.  Fark handle...post.  Fark handle...post.

*bursts out laughing*
 
2013-07-29 11:06:40 PM  

AirForceVet: Why not go for $600,000?


Because it's farking retarded?
 
2013-07-29 11:06:45 PM  
FTA:Arnold said her client, who had attended the camp for four years, maintains that the incident did not warrant immediate expulsion.

Oh. Well, that just settles everything.  I missed the part where it said the girl (or her mom?) owned and ran the camp, and thus was the one that determined what does or doesn't constitute expulsion.

There's nothing about the boy, probably because his parents aren't suing.  It could also be that they were from different camps, or different people were in charge of boys and girls, so that he wasn't subject to the same person's authority on the matter.   I'd say he's luckier that this girl's parent's are looking for criminal charges against him for being in a state of undress with their little snowflake (slutflake?)... Oh, but then they wouldn't have claim to try to get $687,000 from the camp.
 
2013-07-29 11:07:39 PM  
If the camp operator did all of those things, she deserves to go down...
 
2013-07-29 11:08:04 PM  

A Terrible Human: That much money for a summer camp? http://fw.ky.gov/navigation.aspx?cid=301&NavPath=C117C147 I went to that one 2 years in a row. $230 that my mom saved and scrimped for,she's amazing and I had so much damned fun.


If I'm paying that much for summer camp I want a meet and greet with Jason Voorhees.
 
2013-07-29 11:08:19 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

Take a bunch of hormonal teenagers and put them out in the woods with minimal adult supervision and days spent in physical activity working those urges up, what do you expect to happen?

...go on...
 
2013-07-29 11:09:00 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: TuteTibiImperes: I think the camp certainly was out of line, if not just for expelling the girl for a makeout session, then for screaming and shouting at her when she was caught.

I doubt they actually yelled at her, that's just what her hormone controlled mind thought. What I want to know is whether the boy was kicked out too.


The article was pretty specific on that point, as well as disclosure of private medical information. That she was slut shamed in front of the entire camp before being escorted off (by a cop I think?) is one of the things they're suing for specifically. I'll absolutely grant you that a girl that age is generally distorting reality through emo colored glasses at a rate unparalleled without copious use of hallucinogens, but that being said lots of witnesses make up for that. I'd be far more skeptical if it was based purely on an account between the girl and the camp coont.

The damages asked may be excessive, but if accurate ... it's pretty farked up.
 
2013-07-29 11:09:43 PM  

kortex: If the camp operator did all of those things, she deserves to go down...


...phrasing =P
 
2013-07-29 11:09:44 PM  
Just think about the college gangbangs she will experience at the local community college.
 
2013-07-29 11:10:24 PM  

you are a puppet: If I'm paying that much for summer camp I want a meet and greet with Jason Voorhees.


Do you mean the one in the article cause yeah I agree.
 
2013-07-29 11:11:01 PM  

Richard Freckle: Ha!  That was an entire year of college for me...ahhh State Schools


That was... yep, all of tuition and fees and books for 4 years for me.  Living expenses were more, sure, I'm old but not THAT old.
 
2013-07-29 11:12:07 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
Disapproves.
 
2013-07-29 11:12:49 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think the camp certainly was out of line, if not just for expelling the girl for a makeout session, then for screaming and shouting at her when she was caught.


And let's not forget the disclosure of privileged medical information entrusted to the camp staff to provide her requisite supervision.

Arnold also said Lein shared confidential information about the girl, telling other campers she suffers from anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, and low self-esteem.

If true, Ms. Lein should never be allowed contact with another child again.

Okay, maybe that takes it a little overboard.

But surely her finances should be ended. 100% of her assets forcibly divested from her via the mechanism of the state used properly to vindicate the interests of its people in medical privacy.

And now that she's done it once, it's foreseeable she'll do it again. So if the camp wants to continue her employment knowing the massive liability it sets them up for, well, that's their prerogative.
 
2013-07-29 11:13:05 PM  
What mom may look like
 
2013-07-29 11:13:47 PM  

Fano: What mom may look like


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-29 11:15:33 PM  

FloydA: TuteTibiImperes:

Take a bunch of hormonal teenagers and put them out in the woods with minimal adult supervision and days spent in physical activity working those urges up, what do you expect to happen?

...go on...


i6.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-29 11:15:50 PM  

ArkAngel: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks


You should cook them bacon, lots and lots of bacon. Then make them run three miles before they can have any.
/mmm bacon, is there any thing it can't do?
 
2013-07-29 11:16:58 PM  

miss diminutive: A 15-year-old Westport girl and her family have filed a civil lawsuit against an overnight summer camp in the Berkshire Mountains, alleging negligent supervision, breach of contract and emotional damages after the girl was expelled from the camp, allegedly for kissing a boy.

For all this trouble, I hope she got tongue.


... Tongue where?
 
2013-07-29 11:17:43 PM  

Lady Indica: The damages asked may be excessive, but if accurate ... it's pretty farked up.


$600,000 is a lot of money for something she can now rock forever. It's a great story. "I got kicked out of summer camp for making out with the hottest boy there. I'm the queen of parties!"

There's people who would pay to have a story like that.

Also, the only lawyer you can trust to tell the truth is one who's not involved with the case in question. I'm sure it wasn't as bad as they're claiming because they're suing for money. No one leads a lawsuit "Yeah, it wasn't bad at all. Pleasant even. But I'd like $600k anyway."
 
2013-07-29 11:20:47 PM  
basementrejects.com

LOL
 
2013-07-29 11:21:55 PM  
camp director, Sue Lein

LOL, really?
 
2013-07-29 11:22:17 PM  

mikeray: One time at band camp.......


If my parents knew half of the shiat that goes on at band camps.....

/good times, so why sue?
//screw your cheerleader and football team bus, band is overnight and co-ed by design.
 
2013-07-29 11:22:19 PM  
I say go for it, rich parents.

I didn't even get to kiss anybody at camp, and still walked away with decades of emotional damage.
 
2013-07-29 11:23:43 PM  

i.r.id10t: Arkanaut: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

To be fair, I'd be pissed too if I paid $12,000 NOT to get laid.

Have you seen the average cost of weddings lately?

BTW, I'm getting a kick out of these replies since my just turned 13 year old just came back from 10 days of summer camp (same camp I went to when I was a young and stoopid idi10t).  Fortunately, I think I've raised her right and she's got a good brain and she uses it.


(Fark snark on) You'll know for sure in about six months. (Fark snark off). Or you just got lucky...
 
2013-07-29 11:24:44 PM  
Good. Those camp directors need to sweat and earn their pay.

(1) Do If I don't expel the girl maybe the parents will sue me for allowing her to get molested.
(2) If I do expel the girl maybe the parents will sue me for overreacting.

Decisions....decisions....
 
2013-07-29 11:24:45 PM  
Divulging psychiatric / medical info gets your ass ultrasued in the US, doesn't it?

/I ask cos it's not like you have a lot of laws protecting people's rights to privacy down there
 
2013-07-29 11:24:49 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: Every lawyer should get a 3 strike policy. On the third time they bring a case the courts rule ridiculous they lose their license.


Because a case involving malicious breach of medical privacy and intentional infliction of severe emotional distress on a child is "ridiculous."

If the privacy allegations here are true, this woman changed this girl. She will have difficulty being candid with health care providers for a long time, if she ever recovers trust in the sanctity of her medical privacy at all. That in turn will inhibit her recovery from other problems, some sure to derive from this.

Then there's the social damage public revelation of mental disorders inflicts. Who knows how many kids went and posted to their social media accounts about the "crazy girl," maybe identified by name, who got bawled out for "being a slut?" This will potentially follow this girl and continue to damage her throughout her life.

If the allegations are true, $600,000 isn't enough. And if Ms. Lein has any history of like conduct of which the camp was aware to make this kind of thing foreseeable, it should be financially ended right alongside Ms. Lein.
 
2013-07-29 11:24:56 PM  
Coincidentally, 600,000 is the number of flight hours logged in the parental helicopter.
 
2013-07-29 11:25:08 PM  

derpy: [i42.tinypic.com image 640x346]
Disapproves.


I don't care what anyone says, that movie makes me grin like an idiot for 2 hours. So freaking sweet.
 
2013-07-29 11:25:17 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: Every lawyer should get a 3 strike policy. On the third time they bring a case the courts rule ridiculous they lose their license.


Whoa, you just made my head spin!
 
2013-07-29 11:25:37 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-29 11:25:55 PM  
Seriously? Summer camp is all about making out with strange boys (and/or girls), stealing and drinking all the communion wine, sneaking out of the cabins, and generally being up to no-good. The scheduled activities are just to make the parents feel like they are getting their money's worth. ESPECIALLY church camp. (I dunno about band camp...). Why the hell else would youngo to any summer camp. Everyone needs to get a grip. And it sounds like the director needs to pull that stick out of her ass a bit. It is making her irritable. Parents too.
 
2013-07-29 11:26:34 PM  
Just imagine how much they would sue for if she came home knocked up.
 
2013-07-29 11:27:32 PM  

Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL


It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?
 
2013-07-29 11:28:04 PM  

Lady Indica: The damages asked may be excessive, but if accurate ... it's pretty farked up.


The damages inflicted may be excessive too. In which case excessive damages make perfect sense.
 
2013-07-29 11:28:35 PM  

doglover: Lady Indica: The damages asked may be excessive, but if accurate ... it's pretty farked up.

$600,000 is a lot of money for something she can now rock forever. It's a great story. "I got kicked out of summer camp for making out with the hottest boy there. I'm the queen of parties!"

There's people who would pay to have a story like that.

Also, the only lawyer you can trust to tell the truth is one who's not involved with the case in question. I'm sure it wasn't as bad as they're claiming because they're suing for money. No one leads a lawsuit "Yeah, it wasn't bad at all. Pleasant even. But I'd like $600k anyway."


Maybe she's an ugly fatty and the guy she was making out with was just settling for any warm moist thing with a pulse. After all, article says she has self esteem problems.

In such a case, her story as you frame it would not result in positive notoriety.
 
2013-07-29 11:29:12 PM  

ArmednHammered: i.r.id10t: Arkanaut: skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...


Rich people problems.

To be fair, I'd be pissed too if I paid $12,000 NOT to get laid.

Have you seen the average cost of weddings lately?

BTW, I'm getting a kick out of these replies since my just turned 13 year old just came back from 10 days of summer camp (same camp I went to when I was a young and stoopid idi10t).  Fortunately, I think I've raised her right and she's got a good brain and she uses it.

(Fark snark on) You'll know for sure in about six months. (Fark snark off). Or you just got lucky...


Lol OMG-😂yeah a thirteen year old that thinks WWDWMTD (what would dad want me to do) while at summer camp. Is she your first kid, or is it just that the older ones aren't so old they are willing to tell you what they really did at camp yet?
 
2013-07-29 11:30:50 PM  

Iggie:


God, Tatum O'Neal was responsible for the majority of my adolescent friction burns. She was the quiet kinky fantasy girl of my dreams.
 
2013-07-29 11:31:50 PM  

bearded clamorer: I remember my first expulsion at summer camp.
That sleeping bag never came completely clean.


*snert
 
2013-07-29 11:33:35 PM  

BlousyBrown: Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL

It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?


Sleepaway Camp and let us pray that a new installment in the series comes soon.
 
2013-07-29 11:33:54 PM  

BlousyBrown: Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL

It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?


Dammit it's "sleep away camp"!! I am a Farktard. Why I didn't figure that out immediately.....derp
 
2013-07-29 11:33:54 PM  

Deedeemarz: Seriously? Summer camp is all about making out with strange boys (and/or girls), stealing and drinking all the communion wine, sneaking out of the cabins, and generally being up to no-good. The scheduled activities are just to make the parents feel like they are getting their money's worth. ESPECIALLY church camp. (I dunno about band camp...). Why the hell else would youngo to any summer camp. Everyone needs to get a grip. And it sounds like the director needs to pull that stick out of her ass a bit. It is making her irritable. Parents too.


For me the camp was an escape from a shiatty home life,yeah it was only a week but still. Also I would have gotten my ass beaten good had I gotten up to anything that would have got me sent home.
 
2013-07-29 11:33:55 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Divulging psychiatric / medical info gets your ass ultrasued in the US, doesn't it?

/I ask cos it's not like you have a lot of laws protecting people's rights to privacy down there


oh, we have tons of laws. It's just that no one pays heed. Cuz they are from the government and they know better than us or something.
 
2013-07-29 11:34:16 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: mikeray: One time at band camp.......

If my parents knew half of the shiat that goes on at band camps.....

/good times, so why sue?
//screw your cheerleader and football team bus, band is overnight and co-ed by design.


I was in "Pep" band, we did all the away games for football and basketball. Shared the bus with the cheerleaders and stayed at the same hotel for overnights. Having several older brothers, I was the only one who knew to bring alcohol.
That was the only fun I had in High School.
/trumpet player...fast fingers and a talented tongue.
 
2013-07-29 11:34:36 PM  

rogue_L_chick: derpy: [i42.tinypic.com image 640x346]
Disapproves.

I don't care what anyone says, that movie makes me grin like an idiot for 2 hours. So freaking sweet.


agreed.

/also, your email does not work.
 
2013-07-29 11:34:42 PM  

you are a puppet: BlousyBrown: Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL

It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?

Sleepaway Camp and let us pray that a new installment in the series comes soon.


That movie is HILARIOUS!!
 
2013-07-29 11:36:57 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut

I went to a co-ed Christian camp for the summer around that age (I had a good friend whose family was much more religious and he was going so I wanted to go to) and I can testify that almost every waking moment not occupied with various camp activities was spent scheming with my fellow male campers on how we could hook up with the female campers, or at least possibly see some of them naked.


Reminds me of the time I somehow ended up at a bible camp.  I was told I was going to  snow camp.  "Why are you putting a bible in my bag?"  "Just in case."  Whatver.  Snowsnowsnow!!!  So I get there and it's frickin' awesome.  Snow everywhere.  Snowball fights, snow forts, ice hokey (sliding around on rubber boots, not blades), etc.  Awesome cabins, cool kids, nice adults.  Then, as dinner was wrapping up, "Everyone go grab your bible and meet in the hall."

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com

It wasn't that bad, tho.  And the hour of bible study really put me in the mood for sleep.
 
2013-07-29 11:37:00 PM  

youncasqua: ThatDarkFellow: Every lawyer should get a 3 strike policy. On the third time they bring a case the courts rule ridiculous they lose their license.

Because a case involving malicious breach of medical privacy and intentional infliction of severe emotional distress on a child is "ridiculous."

If the privacy allegations here are true, this woman changed this girl. She will have difficulty being candid with health care providers for a long time, if she ever recovers trust in the sanctity of her medical privacy at all. That in turn will inhibit her recovery from other problems, some sure to derive from this.

Then there's the social damage public revelation of mental disorders inflicts. Who knows how many kids went and posted to their social media accounts about the "crazy girl," maybe identified by name, who got bawled out for "being a slut?" This will potentially follow this girl and continue to damage her throughout her life.

If the allegations are true, $600,000 isn't enough. And if Ms. Lein has any history of like conduct of which the camp was aware to make this kind of thing foreseeable, it should be financially ended right alongside Ms. Lein.


And if that in turn, causes her parents to suffer emotionally, up to and including future possible divorce, alcohol and/or druge addictions, loss of (pick something) for everybody, including the girl that's about to have a complex for ever? No wonder shrinks and attorneys make so much money. Everybody is goddamn nuts.
 
2013-07-29 11:37:10 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: her story as you frame it would not result in positive notoriety.


Says you.


I've dealt with 10,000s of people of all ages in my life. Yay social jobs! You could totally re-frame it and make it a positive thing. I've heard many similar stories of what seemed bad at the time but actually taught you to be a better person.

Hell, look at rock stars. Everyone loves the ones who break the rules, while we don't really care for the ones who play everything safe and by the book.

Who is Ozzy Osborne? I bet you know. But have you ever heard of Chester Bennington by name?
 
2013-07-29 11:37:52 PM  

gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut


I believe she is technically a "skank."

//Are we gonna get sued?
 
2013-07-29 11:38:00 PM  

BlousyBrown: Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL

It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?


reverse google image search (you can drop a pic into google images and it searches for it) says it is
Sleepaway Camp (1983) - IMDb
 
2013-07-29 11:39:03 PM  

BlousyBrown: BlousyBrown: Fano: [basementrejects.com image 600x401]

LOL

It's killing me I can't place what this pic is from. I know I've seen this movie......What is it?

Dammit it's "sleep away camp"!! I am a Farktard. Why I didn't figure that out immediately.....derp


You may have blocked that moment from your brain. I wish I could.
 
2013-07-29 11:39:58 PM  
I miss camp 13 years old 2 weeks with no parents lots of other pyromaniacs,the first BJ I ever got or gave also first 3 way and fourgy. And I think boyscout camp only cost around 50 bucks a week after we sold popcorn.
 
2013-07-29 11:40:15 PM  
Was the boy who participated in the kiss / make-out sesh / damn-near-sexy-time kicked out as
well? If he got off scott free (no pun intended ... ok, maybe a little bit intended) and the girl got
singled out for punishment and humiliation, I can see the parents getting their noses out of
joint.

Is it any wonder that kids today are so farked up? On the one hand, the media is bombarding
them with hyper sexualized messages, while on the other hand, society has all but reverted to
a damn near puritanical 'sexual urges are BAD and you are BAD for having them!' mentality.

Sheesh.

On a totally unrelated note, is David Letterman ill or something? He's on right now and every
time I see  him, his clothes just hang off of him.
 
2013-07-29 11:40:36 PM  

youncasqua: ThatDarkFellow: Every lawyer should get a 3 strike policy. On the third time they bring a case the courts rule ridiculous they lose their license.

Because a case involving malicious breach of medical privacy and intentional infliction of severe emotional distress on a child is "ridiculous."

If the privacy allegations here are true, this woman changed this girl. She will have difficulty being candid with health care providers for a long time, if she ever recovers trust in the sanctity of her medical privacy at all. That in turn will inhibit her recovery from other problems, some sure to derive from this.

Then there's the social damage public revelation of mental disorders inflicts. Who knows how many kids went and posted to their social media accounts about the "crazy girl," maybe identified by name, who got bawledballed out for "being a slut?" This will potentially follow this girl and continue to damage her throughout her life.

If the allegations are true, $600,000 isn't enough. And if Ms. Lein has any history of like conduct of which the camp was aware to make this kind of thing foreseeable, it should be financially ended right alongside Ms. Lein.


FTFY
 
2013-07-29 11:40:41 PM  
She was kissing his PENIS!!!!
 
2013-07-29 11:41:57 PM  

Iggie: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x294]


My mom took me to see that movie when I was 11 or 12...
 
2013-07-29 11:42:00 PM  

doglover: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: her story as you frame it would not result in positive notoriety.

Says you.


I've dealt with 10,000s of people of all ages in my life. Yay social jobs! You could totally re-frame it and make it a positive thing. I've heard many similar stories of what seemed bad at the time but actually taught you to be a better person.

Hell, look at rock stars. Everyone loves the ones who break the rules, while we don't really care for the ones who play everything safe and by the book.

Who is Ozzy Osborne? I bet you know. But have you ever heard of Chester Bennington by name?


Emotionally challenged teens aren't usually inventive enough to come up with such a cunning plan. Been there.
 
2013-07-29 11:42:14 PM  
Sounds like a camp run by douchebags, for douchebags. Not sure whom I should support, or mock.

I do feel sorry for the young lovers. Bet that was the quickest-falling boner that lad will ever have (well, until he gets married anyway).
 
2013-07-29 11:42:47 PM  
are you ready for the summer?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-29 11:42:53 PM  

cardex: I miss camp 13 years old 2 weeks with no parents lots of other pyromaniacs,the first BJ I ever got or gave also first 3 way and fourgy. And I think boyscout camp only cost around 50 bucks a week after we sold popcorn.


I knew the Boy Scouts were gay.
 
2013-07-29 11:43:07 PM  
According to the girl's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold of Fort Lee, N.J., kissing is not against the rules at the camp.

and then

The code of conduct also prohibits "sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex)."

So... are news items not allowed to simply state that an interviewed person's statements are flat-out untrue?  This doesn't seem like some sort of grey area where the lawyer kind of has a point, he's just straight-up quantitatively lying.

//Though, if you kick someone out of your camp, a partial refund is appropriate.  Well, unless the contract specifically says something to the contrary... which it might, in which case the parents have no real argument here.

//Albeit, iirc, revealing personal medical records in the US without permission is a  criminal issue, so that part might be a big deal where the story's set as well.
 
2013-07-29 11:43:40 PM  

doglover: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: her story as you frame it would not result in positive notoriety.

Says you.


I've dealt with 10,000s of people of all ages in my life. Yay social jobs! You could totally re-frame it and make it a positive thing. I've heard many similar stories of what seemed bad at the time but actually taught you to be a better person.

Hell, look at rock stars. Everyone loves the ones who break the rules, while we don't really care for the ones who play everything safe and by the book.

Who is Ozzy Osborne? I bet you know. But have you ever heard of Chester Bennington by name?


I shop at his coat factory all the time.
 
2013-07-29 11:44:29 PM  

doglover: But have you ever heard of Chester Bennington by name?


I have but I listened to Linkin Park as a teenager.
 
2013-07-29 11:44:38 PM  

digitalrain: Was the boy who participated in the kiss / make-out sesh / damn-near-sexy-time kicked out as
well? If he got off scott free (no pun intended ... ok, maybe a little bit intended) and the girl got
singled out for punishment and humiliation, I can see the parents getting their noses out of
joint.


Boys will be boys. He can't be blamed for her witchery.
 
2013-07-29 11:45:21 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Emotionally challenged teens aren't usually inventive enough to come up with such a cunning plan


Which is why mommy and daddy here should be facing child abuse charges for spending $12,000 for summer camps instead of therapy.

I still want to know how in god's green earth what $6,000 in summer camp fees gets your kids. Obviously it's overnight and co-ed. What else?
 
2013-07-29 11:45:23 PM  
I've been to band camp, space camp, bible camp, and beyond. There is one goal. Get to at least second or third base. If you get lucky and hit a home run, you are a legend. That is all.
 
2013-07-29 11:46:47 PM  

Harry_Seldon: digitalrain: Was the boy who participated in the kiss / make-out sesh / damn-near-sexy-time kicked out as
well? If he got off scott free (no pun intended ... ok, maybe a little bit intended) and the girl got
singled out for punishment and humiliation, I can see the parents getting their noses out of
joint.

Boys will be boys. He can't be blamed for her witchery.


Phbbbbbt
 
2013-07-29 11:47:26 PM  

skinnycatullus: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)...

Rich people problems.

 
2013-07-29 11:47:55 PM  
Just posting to say i love all of the sleep away camp movies and force as many people as i can to watch them

/has the box set
 
2013-07-29 11:49:22 PM  

digitalrain: the girl got
singled out for punishment and humiliation, I can see the parents getting their noses out of
join


The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.

It'd be like if an adult were fired from their job, and HR started screaming about how they can't get their dick up because of their Viagra prescription and vasectomy.
 
2013-07-29 11:49:59 PM  

Jabberwookiee: I've been to band camp, space camp, bible camp, and beyond. There is one goal. Get to at least second or third base. If you get lucky and hit a home run, you are a legend. That is all.


I've never been to space camp or band camp. I went to a quasi-bible camp for 3 summers and
a computer camp for 3 summers. I *wish* I'd found some guy to make out with on the sly. Nobody
wants to make out with the tall, gangly, socially awkward tomboy though. Sigh...

Even at computer camp, when I was the ONLY girl in my friggin' unit...still no joy. Sigh...

Still, had some great times at Summit Lake Camp and Camp Horizons.
 
2013-07-29 11:50:58 PM  

Harry_Seldon: gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut

I believe she is technically a "skank."

//Are we gonna get sued?


When I was 12-13 years old, this stuff was considered normal for growing kids and nobody gave a shait.
In all reality, in a sane society, it would be called "being a teenager".  In this day and age, who the fark knows.
 
2013-07-29 11:51:43 PM  
you know what happens at summer camp could wind up haunting you for 18.75 years

hi mom
 
2013-07-29 11:52:02 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: digitalrain: the girl got
singled out for punishment and humiliation, I can see the parents getting their noses out of
join

The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.

It'd be like if an adult were fired from their job, and HR started screaming about how they can't get their dick up because of their Viagra prescription and vasectomy.


Don't misunderstand me. I think the camp was totally in the wrong regardless. Divulging private HIPAA protected
medical information?? Hoo-boy that's a no-no right there.
 
2013-07-29 11:53:52 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.


Wait, whut?
 
2013-07-29 11:54:35 PM  
So, granted it doesn't really apply here, but sometimes you actually (as a counselor) need to share medical info with your wards. I had to take care of an autistic kid along with my other 12-13yo's and they HAD to know why little Jeremy was so different and difficult. What I'm saying is there isn't a hard line at share nothing of medical stuff, discretion is required.
 
2013-07-29 11:55:33 PM  

doglover: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.

Wait, whut?


"
According to the suit, Lein allegedly "screamed and yelled" at the girl in front of other campers and accused her of being "loose" and a "danger" to the camp.

Arnold also said Lein shared confidential information about the girl, telling other campers she suffers from anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, and low self-esteem.
 "
 
2013-07-29 11:56:10 PM  

ferretman: She was kissing his PENIS!!!!



It's his fault for having one.
 
2013-07-29 11:57:04 PM  

digitalrain: Jabberwookiee: I've been to band camp, space camp, bible camp, and beyond. There is one goal. Get to at least second or third base. If you get lucky and hit a home run, you are a legend. That is all.

I've never been to space camp or band camp. I went to a quasi-bible camp for 3 summers and
a computer camp for 3 summers. I *wish* I'd found some guy to make out with on the sly. Nobody
wants to make out with the tall, gangly, socially awkward tomboy though. Sigh...

Even at computer camp, when I was the ONLY girl in my friggin' unit...still no joy. Sigh...

Still, had some great times at Summit Lake Camp and Camp Horizons.


Oh, I forgot about computer camp. Anyway, I wasn't very successful either. But it was still the goal. Hormones and what not...

Had fun, though.
 
2013-07-29 11:57:12 PM  
Stay tuned for the newest episode of "Teen Mom".
 
2013-07-29 11:57:34 PM  
 
2013-07-29 11:57:58 PM  

A Terrible Human: That much money for a summer camp? http://fw.ky.gov/navigation.aspx?cid=301&NavPath=C117C147 I went to that one 2 years in a row. $230 that my mom saved and scrimped for,she's amazing and I had so much damned fun.


I went to camp there! I got the Outdoorsman Award because I used to be an outdoorsy badass type. Now I'm in indoorsy allergic to everything that has pollen type.
 
2013-07-29 11:58:42 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: doglover: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.

Wait, whut?

"
According to the suit, Lein allegedly "screamed and yelled" at the girl in front of other campers and accused her of being "loose" and a "danger" to the camp.



Well, she was right about that part.
 
2013-07-29 11:59:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: According to the girl's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold of Fort Lee, N.J., kissing is not against the rules at the camp.

and then

The code of conduct also prohibits "sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex)."

So... are news items not allowed to simply state that an interviewed person's statements are flat-out untrue?  This doesn't seem like some sort of grey area where the lawyer kind of has a point, he's just straight-up quantitatively lying.


The news article is poorly written (as most are) so its not clear there is the contradiction you see in it. I doubt sincerely that the camp could function if it banned all physical contact between campers which is what physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex) literally says. The way I read that provision is a ban on both sexual relations and sexual contact.  It's also possible that the contract is simply vague, which would be counted against the camp because either they or their lawyers drafted it.
 
2013-07-30 12:01:46 AM  
Silly camper. 15-year-old campers must obey the rules and be good little boys and girls.

16-year-old staff members, on the other hand, are free to fark each other every waking moment. Behind the mess hall. In the maintenance shed. In the walk-in freezer. Out in the woods. In the pool. Anywhere and everywhere. And they will. Oh, it's true--some of them are not terribly attractive, or suave, and some of them smell funny and haven't even managed to hold hands with a girl or boy their own age when they're away from camp. But the raw potential of dozens of teenagers working together and sleeping side by side, with virtually no adult supervision and a thousand exotic places to experiment in, means that even the least attractive of them will fumble his way to some regular third-base action.

Holy living fark, thank god for working at camp.

/to this day, I still get an erection from the sight of those diamond-shaped knickknacks you make with popsicle sticks and yarn
 
2013-07-30 12:02:10 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Divulging psychiatric / medical info gets your ass ultrasued in the US, doesn't it?

/I ask cos it's not like you have a lot of laws protecting people's rights to privacy down there


Honestly, at this point I need independent verification of the screaming and divulging of personal information (say, from other councilors or campers) before I'll believe the accusation.  Let's look at the credibility of the charges so far:

"According to the girl's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold of Fort Lee, N.J., kissing is not against the rules at the camp."

"The camp's code of conduct states that, 'depending on the severity of the act, a camper can be sent home for the first strike.'  The code of conduct also prohibits 'sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex).'"

"Kissing isn't against the rules!!!"  ...except that it is, precious.  Unless this is some form of kissing that involves never actually making physical contact with your partner.

"Arnold said her client, who had attended the camp for four years, maintains that the incident did not warrant immediate expulsion."

"Lein, according to the suit, said the boy and girl had begun to undress and were 'making out.'"

...yeah, I'm sorry, I'm siding with the camp here.  If the kids are getting into it to the point that they're starting to take off clothing, send their asses home.

Oh, and then there's the fact that the mother is suing for (among other things) "negligent supervision," even though  they farking well caught the kids before they could finish taking each other's clothes off.

Yeah.  Definitely leery of the "they yelled at my precious snowflake in front of all the other kids and told them her personal problems!" charge here.  I'll need to hear it from more than a single source that seems to think kissing doesn't count as physical contact or that horny barely-teens actively trying to get each other naked isn't grounds to kick said teens out of camp.
 
2013-07-30 12:02:28 AM  

Iggie: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x294]


about time!
 
2013-07-30 12:03:22 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com

What girls with low self-esteem might look like.
 
2013-07-30 12:04:30 AM  

pgh9fan: Boy was kicked out as well
http://thenewsfortoday.net/teen-girl-booted-from-summer-camp-by-arme d- guard-for-kissing-boy-suit/


Well, they both broke the camp's rules. So, apparently, the camp may be uptight, shrill, and controlling, but they're equal opportunity assholes.
 
2013-07-30 12:05:42 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: So, granted it doesn't really apply here, but sometimes you actually (as a counselor) need to share medical info with your wards. I had to take care of an autistic kid along with my other 12-13yo's and they HAD to know why little Jeremy was so different and difficult. What I'm saying is there isn't a hard line at share nothing of medical stuff, discretion is required.


That's a different situation entirely and probably one where little Jeremy's parents would be told  ahead
of time "Look...we need to let the other campers know about Jeremy's autism so that they understand
what his mannerisms are stemming from and will hopefully be more tolerant..."

TFA made it sound like the sandy-vagged counselor caught the young lovers sucking face and dragged
the poor girl out by her ear, stood her in front of the other campers and berated her for her behavior.

Look-ee here, campers. Little Miss Hot Pants here was messing around behind the arts and crafts hut
with Jimmy. She has (air quotes) "self esteem issues" and doesn't feel good about herself so she let
him jam his tongue down her throat. The little JEZEBEL!

Adults shouldn't free the fark out over perfectly NORMAL emerging sexual urges in teenagers. Kids
should be taught that it is perfectly normal. They should be taught that some age appropriate level
of experimenting is  OK but a) both parties must be consenting, b) if one party puts on the brakes,
that's it. No coercion,and c) it isn't cool to fark with someone and lead them on only to drop them cold
(though item b stillapplies regardless).
 
2013-07-30 12:06:05 AM  
I wonder if their daughter had not been caught and did have sex, which wound her up getting pregnant, would have these same parents sued the camp for not watching their daughter close enough?
 
2013-07-30 12:06:31 AM  

cretinbob: Was she hot?


What could be hotter than low self-esteem?
 
2013-07-30 12:07:28 AM  

Omahawg: are you ready for the summer?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337]


Ah, the 70s.  When a girl could go from hardcore porn to a kids' movie and nobody batted an eye.
 
2013-07-30 12:09:29 AM  

Lachwen: Yeah.  Definitely leery of the "they yelled at my precious snowflake in front of all the other kids and told them her personal problems!" charge here.


You're leery about the charge that completely defines the lawsuit and why it was brought in the first place?

Welcome to the jury, Ms. Lachwen.
 
2013-07-30 12:11:29 AM  
Meanwhile - low self esteem guys have to wait till they have graduated college and are making bank before they can get laid. Who can they sue?
 
2013-07-30 12:15:40 AM  

pgh9fan: Boy was kicked out as well
http://thenewsfortoday.net/teen-girl-booted-from-summer-camp-by-arme d- guard-for-kissing-boy-suit/


FTA :   "She quickly developed feelings for" the teen, fictitiously named "Dick," the suit says.

Someone's having some fun with this.
 
2013-07-30 12:17:06 AM  

digitalrain: That's a different situation entirely and probably one where little Jeremy's parents would be told  ahead
of time "Look...we need to let the other campers know about Jeremy's autism so that they understand
what his mannerisms are stemming from and will hopefully be more tolerant..."


Actually little Jeremy's mom was a real piece of work. She ditched him at the staging point in Fountain Valley (for a Big Bear camp) with nothing beyond this is Jeremy and ran away. I didn't find out till two days later why this kid was so farked up. He required (literally) 24/7 care. and because of that I couldn't really do anything for my other 12 campers. for the first two days all I knew was this kid is messed up and I can't take my eyes off of him for a minute.
He wet the bed every night, he had severe difficulty communicating. mentally I'd put him at 6 or 7 (if that). the mom totally ditched him and ran as far and fast as she could. (And on the one hand, I can't blame her for wanting a week free of him).

The end result was he required my attention all day and night every day and I couldn't do anything for my other campers =(. Though I did get myself into the middle of a fist fight to break it up (a lot of these kids were troubled).

There were so many things wrong with that camp... the YMCA ran it, I was originally supposed to be a junior counselor, (as I was 17) but the night prior to our departure they had me white out my age and DOB on the forms to make me 18. I had 13 kids to take care of (instead of the legal max of 12 to 1) and I didn't get critical medical info for days. Including, allergies, autism and a badly ADD kid. It was a horrible cluster fark. =(
 
2013-07-30 12:19:54 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: digitalrain: That's a different situation entirely and probably one where little Jeremy's parents would be told  ahead
of time "Look...we need to let the other campers know about Jeremy's autism so that they understand
what his mannerisms are stemming from and will hopefully be more tolerant..."

Actually little Jeremy's mom was a real piece of work. She ditched him at the staging point in Fountain Valley (for a Big Bear camp) with nothing beyond this is Jeremy and ran away. I didn't find out till two days later why this kid was so farked up. He required (literally) 24/7 care. and because of that I couldn't really do anything for my other 12 campers. for the first two days all I knew was this kid is messed up and I can't take my eyes off of him for a minute.
He wet the bed every night, he had severe difficulty communicating. mentally I'd put him at 6 or 7 (if that). the mom totally ditched him and ran as far and fast as she could. (And on the one hand, I can't blame her for wanting a week free of him).

The end result was he required my attention all day and night every day and I couldn't do anything for my other campers =(. Though I did get myself into the middle of a fist fight to break it up (a lot of these kids were troubled).

There were so many things wrong with that camp... the YMCA ran it, I was originally supposed to be a junior counselor, (as I was 17) but the night prior to our departure they had me white out my age and DOB on the forms to make me 18. I had 13 kids to take care of (instead of the legal max of 12 to 1) and I didn't get critical medical info for days. Including, allergies, autism and a badly ADD kid. It was a horrible cluster fark. =(


Holy shiate, man. I don't envy you that. I have one son who is bipolar / ADHD and the other is high functioning
autistic / Asperger's. There are days I just want to curl up with a wine bottle and that's with just TWO of 'em. I
can't imagine being responsible for 13 troubled and / or special needs kids at the age of 17.
 
2013-07-30 12:20:03 AM  

doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.


No, they pay for security to keep their snowflakes virgins.  Camp Comandant knows what keeps her salary.  Otherwise, she's back as bandcamp supervisor.
 
2013-07-30 12:20:18 AM  

digitalrain: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, granted it doesn't really apply here, but sometimes you actually (as a counselor) need to share medical info with your wards. I had to take care of an autistic kid along with my other 12-13yo's and they HAD to know why little Jeremy was so different and difficult. What I'm saying is there isn't a hard line at share nothing of medical stuff, discretion is required.

That's a different situation entirely and probably one where little Jeremy's parents would be told  ahead
of time "Look...we need to let the other campers know about Jeremy's autism so that they understand
what his mannerisms are stemming from and will hopefully be more tolerant..."

TFA made it sound like the sandy-vagged counselor caught the young lovers sucking face and dragged
the poor girl out by her ear, stood her in front of the other campers and berated her for her behavior.

Look-ee here, campers. Little Miss Hot Pants here was messing around behind the arts and crafts hut
with Jimmy. She has (air quotes) "self esteem issues" and doesn't feel good about herself so she let
him jam his tongue down her throat. The little JEZEBEL!

Adults shouldn't free the fark out over perfectly NORMAL emerging sexual urges in teenagers. Kids
should be taught that it is perfectly normal. They should be taught that some age appropriate level
of experimenting is  OK but a) both parties must be consenting, b) if one party puts on the brakes,
that's it. No coercion,and c) it isn't cool to fark with someone and lead them on only to drop them cold
(though item b stillapplies regardless).


BTW I pretty much agree with all you said. I just wanted to point out, never sharing medical info ever is not reasonable or responsible.
 
2013-07-30 12:21:22 AM  
img163.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-30 12:23:38 AM  
Meanwhile, the lawyer behind the lawsuit is an attention whore.

i1.ytimg.com

Well, at least she's not afraid of TV. Look up Rosemarie Arnold, she's done the rounds, ABC, CNN, Fox News.

Look at it from the camp director's side. Girl wanders off with boy, hanky panky or rapey wapey, ruined reputation and you can't charge $6k a head for summer camp next year. While kissing is allowed, wandering off to unsupervised areas was not. Now, publicly humiliating and expulsion was a bit much, but taking the teens aside for individual... dammit, every term I think of gets naughty. Well, take the teens aside and yell at them about the paranoid dangers envisioned by the directors and counselors, and tell the boy that he could become an accused rapist even if it was consensual.
 
2013-07-30 12:25:12 AM  

cowgirl toffee: [img163.imageshack.us image 512x512]


farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-30 12:26:05 AM  

digitalrain: Uchiha_Cycliste: digitalrain: That's a different situation entirely and probably one where little Jeremy's parents would be told  ahead
of time "Look...we need to let the other campers know about Jeremy's autism so that they understand
what his mannerisms are stemming from and will hopefully be more tolerant..."

Actually little Jeremy's mom was a real piece of work. She ditched him at the staging point in Fountain Valley (for a Big Bear camp) with nothing beyond this is Jeremy and ran away. I didn't find out till two days later why this kid was so farked up. He required (literally) 24/7 care. and because of that I couldn't really do anything for my other 12 campers. for the first two days all I knew was this kid is messed up and I can't take my eyes off of him for a minute.
He wet the bed every night, he had severe difficulty communicating. mentally I'd put him at 6 or 7 (if that). the mom totally ditched him and ran as far and fast as she could. (And on the one hand, I can't blame her for wanting a week free of him).

The end result was he required my attention all day and night every day and I couldn't do anything for my other campers =(. Though I did get myself into the middle of a fist fight to break it up (a lot of these kids were troubled).

There were so many things wrong with that camp... the YMCA ran it, I was originally supposed to be a junior counselor, (as I was 17) but the night prior to our departure they had me white out my age and DOB on the forms to make me 18. I had 13 kids to take care of (instead of the legal max of 12 to 1) and I didn't get critical medical info for days. Including, allergies, autism and a badly ADD kid. It was a horrible cluster fark. =(

Holy shiate, man. I don't envy you that. I have one son who is bipolar / ADHD and the other is high functioning
autistic / Asperger's. There are days I just want to curl up with a wine bottle and that's with just TWO of 'em. I
can't imagine being responsible for 13 troubled and / or special n ...


Now that I think of it, I think that was the last time I ever volunteered for anything. Which is sad, I used to volunteer all over the place through all sorts of organizations. But then there was this camp, and after a week of taking care of a dozen troubled kids and a 5'7'' 150 lb five year old my helpful spirit was broken.
I wanted to pursue some action after the Y, but my parents advised I back down, because I had little proof, and I HAD gone in and lied about my age after being told I had to. At the time I hadn't understood how that could reflect poorly on me, as I was on;y following orders. As I've grown I've learned that that is not a sufficient excuse.
 
2013-07-30 12:27:39 AM  

wildcardjack: rapey wapey


Not sure if you said rape twice...
 
2013-07-30 12:28:38 AM  

jtown: cowgirl toffee: [img163.imageshack.us image 512x512]

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:P
 
2013-07-30 12:30:33 AM  
When did breaking the rules become something we sue over?

I would actually like to see other campers that said that the woman went all HIPPA violation on her ass. So far it is their side against the camp that is rightly so keeping their mouths shut.

She and a boy dodged out of the area and started to undress while making out. If I had been kicked out of camp for this my dad would have been angry if the camp didn't belittle me and tell me what a rule breaker I was. Anyone ever heard of an example being made, it could be the camp just told everyone why she was getting kicked out to make sure the kids knew better next time the occasion arose.

She broke the rules. She got caught. She got kicked out. Parents sue. We wonder why the Millennials are for the most part entitled, now you know.
 
2013-07-30 12:32:06 AM  
To be fair, when you have OCD, three strike rules are a problem.  Once you get that first strike it's only a matter of time before you get the other two, just to complete the set, so she was doomed anyway.
 
2013-07-30 12:34:23 AM  
It's not $6000 a week you idiots.

2 weeks $3250
4 weeks $6450
6 weeks $9250
 
2013-07-30 12:36:25 AM  
There's a certain strata of society that abhors the thought of spending any time with their own children. They shuffle them off to boarding school and then spend tens of thousands more to dump them in the right camp for the summer.

There was a completely nonironic article in Town and Country magazine rating summer camps by how accessible they were to airports that could land private jets so hedge fund managers wouldn't have to spend hours with their kids driving up from NYC. I'm sure the $600,000 is completely justified to them for having to put up with not one but 2 kids for the summer.
 
2013-07-30 12:38:34 AM  

Buckney Gurre: It's not $6000 a week you idiots.

2 weeks $3250
4 weeks $6450
6 weeks $9250


Still, the helicopters expect that their virgin daughters will return virgins.  That's a lot of money to spend only to find out that your daughter will give it up behind the basketball court in week 2.  "But dad, I wasn't a virgin when I went to camp" is not going to cut it.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:27 AM  
So, if the counselors had not intervened, and the girl got pregnant or an STD or somehow a whiff got back the parents about it, what would the parents' reaction be?  Oh right, sue of course.
 
2013-07-30 12:40:35 AM  
Gee, don't camp directors usually do the opposite thing?
 
2013-07-30 12:44:50 AM  
That dirty little whore deserved what the camp gave her, she should be thanking them.

/ To the nunnery!
// THE NUNNERY I say!
/// that poor, permanently-stained boy.
 
2013-07-30 12:48:35 AM  

BuckTurgidson: That dirty little whore deserved what the camp gave her, she should be thanking them.

/ To the nunnery!
// THE NUNNERY I say!
/// that poor, permanently-stained boy.


No one would even know this happened if her parents had just taken her home. Instead they had to defend their daughters maidenhood even after their daughter had shown that she wanted to throw herself on the sword, so to speak.

So blame the parents for making her famous for being a rule-breaker/whore/whatever inflammatory word you want to insert.
 
2013-07-30 12:50:15 AM  
Wow - and even double-wow at the "tuition".

I went to camp every year until I was 15.  I don't remember since I didn't pay for it, but I think it was about $600 for 3 weeks.  I even worked there when I was 16.  I got paid $100 a week.

The rules included "no pairing off", but everyone did anyway.

Her parents were called and told to pick her up at the edge of camp, where she was escorted by an armed and uniformed police officer, Arnold said.

That's crazy,  Kissing is dangerous, I guess.

In all the years I attended camp, I don't think anyone was ever kicked out.  Maybe one person did - I can't really remember that far back.

One of my co-workers went nuts slopping trays in the kitchen though.  That was amusing.  His job was basically dumping all the campers trays into a huge trash can which got picked up by a pig farmer the next day and one day I guess the stress of such responsibility got to him and threw a huge tantrum and left.

Just for fun, I checked out their website just now.  It's now billed as a "Christian Camp" and I couldn't find a specific amount for their now 2-week camp sessions, but 2 2-week sessions will only cost you $5090.  They also suggest putting a few hundred into a camper account.  All that shiat was free when I went there.  You got a soft drink and a snack everyday - peanuts were often served.  Oh, and you got a choice of soft drinks, but not the snack.  Nobody was allergic to peanuts back then.

It seems pretty lame.  It looks like they've installed more tennis courts and removed some of the baseball fields.  When I went there, there was 1 tennis court and 3 baseball fields.  They also require special camper insurance.  I'm pretty sure we didn't need that when I attended.

Pictures are kind of scarce on their website too, but I bet they don't even have a gun range anymore and it wouldn't surprise me if the pool tables are gone too,

/I snipped about 3 paragraphs of ranting about how things have changed
//I sounded old and ornery
///and I was wrong - they still have a rifle range so at least they've got that going for them.
////God, guns and glory!111111111111111111!
 
2013-07-30 12:50:39 AM  

ArmednHammered: fanbladesaresharp: mikeray: One time at band camp.......

If my parents knew half of the shiat that goes on at band camps.....

/good times, so why sue?
//screw your cheerleader and football team bus, band is overnight and co-ed by design.

I was in "Pep" band, we did all the away games for football and basketball. Shared the bus with the cheerleaders and stayed at the same hotel for overnights. Having several older brothers, I was the only one who knew to bring alcohol.
That was the only fun I had in High School.
/trumpet player...fast fingers and a talented tongue.


*fist bump* And you learned how to make noise and keep a beat.
 
2013-07-30 12:53:46 AM  

thiefofdreams: So blame the parents


Thank you very much but no, at this point, I choose to blame the camp for being cowardly insensate Aspergers absolutist douchestains.
 
2013-07-30 12:54:51 AM  
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned; screaming camp counselor immediately brings it to mind.


/hot
 
2013-07-30 01:00:29 AM  

BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: So blame the parents

Thank you very much but no, at this point, I choose to blame the camp for being cowardly insensate Aspergers absolutist douchestains.


You sure about that. The only facts we have are from a sensationalist lawyer. We have not heard from any other campers, the boy, the boy's parents, the camp itself, but feel free to jump to the conclusion that the girl who's parents sued the school are being on the up and up.

I mean when was the last time you heard a teenage girl dream up some huge scheme to make someone else look bad when they were in trouble? It just never happens.
 
2013-07-30 01:00:33 AM  
Rawr, this:

i1297.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-30 01:00:58 AM  
This is not the first lawsuit for this family. THEY have put there snowflakes medical history out for everyone to see. First time anyone says anything, when she goes back to school. They will sue. Hell they might sue the newspaper and website for publishing it. And even if the counselor  did yell at her in front of other campers. Oh well. And I dont believe she said all that about her medical conditions. It sounds like the kids where at 3rd sliding into home. And since its not listed in the complaint, it sounds like the boy was kicked too. And she is not a slut. Sounds like she got the camp experience.

If I was the camp I would refund some of there money. Depending on how long they where there. Thats also missing from the story. Did this happen her first few days there or in the last week.

You have to remember if she would have been knocked up. This would be a 10,000,000 dollar lawsuit.
 
2013-07-30 01:01:34 AM  

Lachwen: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Divulging psychiatric / medical info gets your ass ultrasued in the US, doesn't it?

/I ask cos it's not like you have a lot of laws protecting people's rights to privacy down there

Honestly, at this point I need independent verification of the screaming and divulging of personal information (say, from other councilors or campers) before I'll believe the accusation.  Let's look at the credibility of the charges so far:

"According to the girl's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold of Fort Lee, N.J., kissing is not against the rules at the camp."

"The camp's code of conduct states that, 'depending on the severity of the act, a camper can be sent home for the first strike.'  The code of conduct also prohibits 'sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex).'"

"Kissing isn't against the rules!!!"  ...except that it is, precious.  Unless this is some form of kissing that involves never actually making physical contact with your partner.

"Arnold said her client, who had attended the camp for four years, maintains that the incident did not warrant immediate expulsion."

"Lein, according to the suit, said the boy and girl had begun to undress and were 'making out.'"

...yeah, I'm sorry, I'm siding with the camp here.  If the kids are getting into it to the point that they're starting to take off clothing, send their asses home.

Oh, and then there's the fact that the mother is suing for (among other things) "negligent supervision," even though  they farking well caught the kids before they could finish taking each other's clothes off.

Yeah.  Definitely leery of the "they yelled at my precious snowflake in front of all the other kids and told them her personal problems!" charge here.  I'll need to hear it from more than a single source that seems to think kissing doesn't count as physical contact or that horny barely-teens actively trying to get each other naked isn't grounds to kick said teens out of camp.


Not to mention miss Lein has been a director at that camp for twenty three years. That's a looooong time to hold a job if you behave incompetently. I don't takethe lawyer's and the families story as gospel on this one
 
2013-07-30 01:03:11 AM  

thiefofdreams: a teenage girl


The obvious whore who is to blame, along with the whore's whore parents.

Probably jews.
 
2013-07-30 01:06:02 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Sounds like a camp run by douchebags, for douchebags. Not sure whom I should support, or mock.

I do feel sorry for the young lovers. Bet that was the quickest-falling boner that lad will ever have (well, until he gets married anyway).


Same here, actually. Been to numerous summer camps, but also band "trips" of a few days and track team overnights and all sorts of other things. Somewhere, shiat is going to happen. We just dealt with it differently 30 years ago, and I went to numerous schools in different states. I used to get my ass handed to me for being a clarinet player trying out for football. That sucked. But then I did well in Cross Country and made it to state runs (and state honor bands). Then I'd go to school sponsored ones for 3 weeks well....just because I guess. Usually because I tried to start a neighbors tree on fire or something before you goddamn Cosplay and LARPer idiots were even born. Save that one for another day.

Camps, if they're run by douchebags (what did they expect for the $12k cool kid club fee?) for doucebags and their kids. I'm sorry that girl is going to have emotional problems forever because the camp, her parents, and the court system (and now Fark) are going to perpetuate whatever indiscretions. So long as some sucker pays.
 
2013-07-30 01:07:15 AM  

gadian: So, if the counselors had not intervened, and the girl got pregnant or an STD or somehow a whiff got back the parents about it, what would the parents' reaction be?  Oh right, sue of course.


I am pretty sure the kiss wasn't escalating like a porn shoot.
 
2013-07-30 01:08:25 AM  
Is she hot?
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-30 01:08:41 AM  

HillbillyBubba: I went to camp there! I got the Outdoorsman Award because I used to be an outdoorsy badass type. Now I'm in indoorsy allergic to everything that has pollen type.


Awesome! Did you go to Robert C. Webb and if so how long ago? I felt like a badass when I got a junior hunting and fishing license. The last year I went it was co-ed but they made damn sure the boys and girls couldn't be alone together.
 
2013-07-30 01:11:27 AM  
Can we take 600,000.00$ from both sides and give it to one of those "camps for poor kids" organizations?
 
2013-07-30 01:13:53 AM  
On a side note:

It's another vapid "reality" show, but I just want to say that I would wreck Melinda from USA's "Summer Camp".
 
2013-07-30 01:14:23 AM  
I mean seriously people read the shiat the lawyer put in the suit...

"She quickly developed feelings for" the teen, fictitiously named "Dick," the suit says.
The couple "openly held hands during camp activities," the suit says, and the relationship "became the summer romance that most teens yearn for."
Dick got up the guts to kiss Jane on July 11 during "court time," an activity set up by the counselors for boy and girl campers to spend time with each other, the suit says.
"This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment," the suit says.
"It was puppy love," said Jane's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold.
The counselors had "kindly and nurturingly encouraged" Dick to make a move because they knew he'd never kissed a girl and he and Jane had "deep feelings for each other," the suit says.
The counselors high-fived Dick afterwards, the suit said.


This reads like a Judy Bloom primer on teenage love.

Except in the story for the link...

The girl and a male camper reportedly took a moment behind the arts and crafts building to share a kiss, according to the suit.

Lein, according to the suit, said the boy and girl had begun to undress and were "making out."


So yeah is it the camp owner that is saying teens were making out that is wrong or the teenage girl that has built an imaginary world were the staff were high-fiving her boyfriend after kissing?

It is a bit of an overreach on both parts, but I still contend that if the parents had done what normal parents do and just told their daughter not to go off behind the shed with a strange boy that this would not be national news.

I also find this interesting...

She also told Jane, who'd attended the camp for four years and had problems with anxiety and obsessive compulsive disorder, "that she was a slut and/or loose."

So she might have said it was loose behaviour but it seems the lashing out of people about HIPPA violations might just be bullshiat.

Also...just because this is icing on the cake....

Arnold said Dick and Jane are still seeing each other and are "boyfriend and girlfriend."
"Not even Sue Lein can interfere with true love," Arnold said.
 "They're 15-years-old and it's a kiss. That's all it was - an innocent kiss," Arnold said.


Except you know the band striking up and him throwing out his rotator cuff from the high-fives he got, and everyone pushing them to do it. Yeah this stinks really bad, like a bullshiat story a 15 year old girl would come up with.
 
2013-07-30 01:17:38 AM  

thiefofdreams: a bullshiat story a 15 year old girl would come up with


You seem awfully sensitive about that.

Would you care to show us on the doll where the underage girl forced you to touch her?
 
2013-07-30 01:22:50 AM  

BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: a bullshiat story a 15 year old girl would come up with

You seem awfully sensitive about that.

Would you care to show us on the doll where the underage girl forced you to touch her?


I have a daughter around that age, I watch the fictions they sell their parents about what they were doing and with whom.

I trust my daughter to do what is right.

You seem awfully sensitive about the fact that you only have one side of the story and you are siding with the only side that we have heard. Perhaps you have heard of the three sides to every story?

Yours, Mine, and the Truth.

The truth is somewhere between the camp and girl, I even stated it was an overreach on both sides.

As for you trolling and making it out that I am an predator of underaged girls, perhaps you should just go troll someone else.
 
2013-07-30 01:24:12 AM  
the fictions my daughter's friends sell their parents. Is what was meant above, damn spilt my beer and came back and half posted that sentence.
 
2013-07-30 01:26:53 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Summer Lovin, had me a blast.
 
2013-07-30 01:26:57 AM  

pgh9fan: Boy was kicked out as well
http://thenewsfortoday.net/teen-girl-booted-from-summer-camp-by-arme d- guard-for-kissing-boy-suit/


That article mentions that Mom had to cancel a previously planned trip as a result of her daughters no longer being away at camp.  I think we found the problem.  Mommy had some serious plans and the camp screwed her up.  Mommy is pissed!
 
2013-07-30 01:27:57 AM  

thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.


But not someone else's.
 
2013-07-30 01:33:52 AM  

thiefofdreams: The girl and a male camper reportedly took a moment behind the arts and crafts building to share a kiss, according to the suit.

Lein, according to the suit, said the boy and girl had begun to undress and were "making out."

So yeah is it the camp owner that is saying teens were making out that is wrong or the teenage girl that has built an imaginary world were the staff were high-fiving her boyfriend after kissing?

It is a bit of an overreach on both parts, but I still contend that if the parents had done what normal parents do and just told their daughter not to go off behind the shed with a strange boy that this would not be national news.


After reading the thread, I'm getting the idea that this girl was ejected for more than "just a kiss" and that perhaps the supposed "HIPPA violation" was just a person describing her daughter. I mean, the terms used were not totally clinical.

"Arnold also said Lein shared confidential information about the girl, telling other campers she suffers from anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, and low self-esteem.  " Without a direct quote I can imagine several simple ways she could have "divulged" what everyone that had to be around her knew. I'm sure everyone here can also imagine variations on "this uptight twat..."
 
2013-07-30 01:34:38 AM  

BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.


Read above, she is claiming the boy was high fived after the kiss and pushed to kiss the girl during an event that had all the kids from both sides of the camp there.

My daughter has been to multiple camps and I just asked her what happens when kids are caught. They get kicked out. I asked if the camp staff would have ever promoted those things that happened. She looked at me like it was a stupid question. She told me that they would never and anyone even joke kissing was called out.

So on one side I have personal experiences from my daughter directly contradicting the, how was it put...

"This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment," the suit says.
The counselors high-fived Dick afterwards, the suit said.


So yeah, I am going to say that the camp was enforcing rules and someone's princess got caught and now there is a lawsuit. So yes, I think the daughter is trying to dig herself out of the hole she is in.
 
2013-07-30 01:35:59 AM  

thiefofdreams: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

Read above, she is claiming the boy was high fived after the kiss and pushed to kiss the girl during an event that had all the kids from both sides of the camp there.

My daughter has been to multiple camps and I just asked her what happens when kids are caught. They get kicked out. I asked if the camp staff would have ever promoted those things that happened. She looked at me like it was a stupid question. She told me that they would never and anyone even joke kissing was called out.

So on one side I have personal experiences from my daughter directly contradicting the, how was it put...

"This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment," the suit says.
The counselors high-fived Dick afterwards, the suit said.

So yeah, I am going to say that the camp was enforcing rules and someone's princess got caught and now there is a lawsuit. So yes, I think the daughter is trying to dig herself out of the hole she is in.


You are an old, loveless, miserable man.

I feel sorry for your daughter.
 
2013-07-30 01:37:19 AM  

BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.


I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.
 
2013-07-30 01:42:28 AM  

Fano: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.


He trusts his daughter implicitly, do you hereby call her honor into question?
 
2013-07-30 01:43:10 AM  

BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

Read above, she is claiming the boy was high fived after the kiss and pushed to kiss the girl during an event that had all the kids from both sides of the camp there.

My daughter has been to multiple camps and I just asked her what happens when kids are caught. They get kicked out. I asked if the camp staff would have ever promoted those things that happened. She looked at me like it was a stupid question. She told me that they would never and anyone even joke kissing was called out.

So on one side I have personal experiences from my daughter directly contradicting the, how was it put...

"This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment," the suit says.
The counselors high-fived Dick afterwards, the suit said.

So yeah, I am going to say that the camp was enforcing rules and someone's princess got caught and now there is a lawsuit. So yes, I think the daughter is trying to dig herself out of the hole she is in.

You are an old, loveless, miserable man.

I feel sorry for your daughter.


I don't my daughter has been raised to understand rules and why you don't break them. She knows she can honestly talk to us about anything and we will not judge. I was the second person she told when she lost her virginity(mom was the first) and my only concerns were was she forced into it and once I knew she was not, I made sure she used protection. We are an open honest and loving household that has rules. I am not against sex or a prude or a miserable old man as you put it. I am simply speaking from years of knowledge on the subject of raising a daughter. She is 16, I knew she would have sex, I am glad as a parent she trusted me enough to come to us and make sure she did it safely.

I would do what the boy's parents did, remove him from camp, and then decide on a punishment. I would not sue the school to drag her personal business across the AP wire that is for damn sure.

Perhaps the mental state of the parents needs to be looked at as they have so little regard for their daughter that they are using the event for publicity and to make a dollar.
 
2013-07-30 01:44:12 AM  

Fano: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.


My only daughter recently turned 19.   You wouldn't even know she's the same person from four or five years ago.

I wonder if boys are as bad.  Or do you just educate them on condoms, tell them not to drive drunk and send them on their merry way.
 
2013-07-30 01:47:40 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Fano: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.

He trusts his daughter implicitly, do you hereby call her honor into question?


Again, if the same situation arose with my daughter at camp(it never did) I would have contacted the camp and found out what was actually going on. I would not have thrown a hissy fit and written a lawsuit that sounds like a Harlequin romance novel.

She is sitting right here reading over my shoulder and is just shaking her head at you. She read the story and was laughing about how the girl was obviously making this into a huge deal and that this is how her friends react whenever they get caught.
 
2013-07-30 01:49:33 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Fano: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.

He trusts his daughter implicitly, do you hereby call her honor into question?


Nope, you seem to be hard of thinking and with a hard on for thiefofdreams.
 
2013-07-30 01:52:01 AM  

thiefofdreams: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

Read above, she is claiming the boy was high fived after the kiss and pushed to kiss the girl during an event that had all the kids from both sides of the camp there.

My daughter has been to multiple camps and I just asked her what happens when kids are caught. They get kicked out. I asked if the camp staff would have ever promoted those things that happened. She looked at me like it was a stupid question. She told me that they would never and anyone even joke kissing was called out.

So on one side I have personal experiences from my daughter directly contradicting the, how was it put...

"This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment," the suit says.
The counselors high-fived Dick afterwards, the suit said.

So yeah, I am going to say that the camp was enforcing rules and someone's princess got caught and now there is a lawsuit. So yes, I think the daughter is trying to dig herself out of the hole she is in.

You are an old, loveless, miserable man.

I feel sorry for your daughter.

I don't my daughter has been raised to understand rules and why you don't break them. She knows she can honestly talk to us about anything and we will not judge. I was the second person she told when she lost her virginity(mom was the first) and my only concerns were was she forced into it and once I knew she was not, I made sure she used protection. We are an open honest and loving household that has rules. I am not against sex or a prude or a miserable old man as you put it. I am simply speaking from years of knowledge on the subject of raising a daughter. She is 16, I knew she would have sex, I am glad as a parent she trusted me enough to come to us and make sure she did it safely..


That was fairly well stated, sir.

Usually, that's followed by a "but I must add..." however I'll just wish you all a fine evening and it was a pleasure to converse with you.
 
2013-07-30 01:56:06 AM  

thiefofdreams: Again, if the same situation arose with my daughter at camp(it never did) I would have contacted the camp and found out what was actually going on. I would not have thrown a hissy fit


Last point - if you'd paid the camp $6,000 for a week of camp, you might have thrown something, after all.
 
2013-07-30 01:58:20 AM  

thiefofdreams: BuckTurgidson: Fano: BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: I trust my daughter to do what is right.

But not someone else's.

I wouldn't trust a teenaged girl caught doing anything bad to tell anything remotely resembling the truth. Thiefofdreams is speaking honestly as a parent.

He trusts his daughter implicitly, do you hereby call her honor into question?

Again, if the same situation arose with my daughter at camp(it never did) I would have contacted the camp and found out what was actually going on. I would not have thrown a hissy fit and written a lawsuit that sounds like a Harlequin romance novel.

She is sitting right here reading over my shoulder and is just shaking her head at you. She read the story and was laughing about how the girl was obviously making this into a huge deal and that this is how her friends react whenever they get caught.


I cannot comprehend that someone cannot understand the level of deceit that a kid is capable of when it comes to saving their ass.  I agree with you that the high five beautiful moment is like the sort of fantasy some twilight reading kid might think sounded believable.
 
2013-07-30 02:01:02 AM  
I was a summer camp counselor / director for a decade.

It was explicitly stated in the rules, for instance, that boys weren't allowed in the girls area at night -

So if kids were caught sneaking into places they knew they weren't supposed to go (generally to get busy in one sense or another), they'd generally be kicked out -- (didn't happen all that often, once every five years maybe? ...and not to the kids in my unit [they were too smart to get caught.  Apparently when some of my counselors were dropping some older kids off at the airport, they turned around and admitted to sneaking the 3 miles to the girls' camp and getting it on...then dropped the mic and boarded their planes like badasses).

In this instance, hard to know what really happened - seems like the article got most of the info. from the parents' lawyers.  Seems unreasonable that having a police officer would be the camp's standard policy  - but maybe if the camp was afraid of the client's family going crazy, that might have something to do with it.

If camp director Lein really did say what they say she said, then it's a problem - but it's very possible this is a mixture of camper-who-screwed-up-blaming-authority and parents-overprotective-of-snowflake-not-accepting-responsibility.

It sounds like they were getting it on in the middle of the day, in not-that-out-of-sight areas...Dumb kids.

If Lein really reacted to that situation (in terms of the info. sharing and the slut-shaming, not necessarily in terms of the specific disciplinary action), then she's a dumb director.
 
2013-07-30 02:10:25 AM  

Lachwen: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Divulging psychiatric / medical info gets your ass ultrasued in the US, doesn't it?

/I ask cos it's not like you have a lot of laws protecting people's rights to privacy down there

Honestly, at this point I need independent verification of the screaming and divulging of personal information (say, from other councilors or campers) before I'll believe the accusation.  Let's look at the credibility of the charges so far:

"According to the girl's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold of Fort Lee, N.J., kissing is not against the rules at the camp."

"The camp's code of conduct states that, 'depending on the severity of the act, a camper can be sent home for the first strike.'  The code of conduct also prohibits 'sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex).'"

"Kissing isn't against the rules!!!"  ...except that it is, precious.  Unless this is some form of kissing that involves never actually making physical contact with your partner.

"Arnold said her client, who had attended the camp for four years, maintains that the incident did not warrant immediate expulsion."

"Lein, according to the suit, said the boy and girl had begun to undress and were 'making out.'"

...yeah, I'm sorry, I'm siding with the camp here.  If the kids are getting into it to the point that they're starting to take off clothing, send their asses home.

Oh, and then there's the fact that the mother is suing for (among other things) "negligent supervision," even though  they farking well caught the kids before they could finish taking each other's clothes off.

Yeah.  Definitely leery of the "they yelled at my precious snowflake in front of all the other kids and told them her personal problems!" charge here.  I'll need to hear it from more than a single source that seems to think kissing doesn't count as physical contact or that horny barely-teens actively trying to get each other naked isn't grounds to kick said teens out of camp.



Not to mention, that the parents and the lawyers just told the whole farking world what the girl's medical/mental problems are, by making them part of a lawsuit and having them printed in the farking newspaper.  And now her low self esteem issues and her sexcapades are getting mocked on Fark.com
 
2013-07-30 02:10:49 AM  
Wait a minute, the camp felt it necessary to  call the police over this?
 
2013-07-30 02:11:56 AM  
you know who else sent children to camps?


/never been to camp...have no plans to ever send my kids to one
 
2013-07-30 02:14:33 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The head counselor chewed her out in front of the entire camp, and she did it by insulting her with privileged, private medical information.


Allegedly.

Remember, this is from the lawyer, who claimed that "kissing is not against the rules at the camp" despite the fact that "the code of conduct also prohibits "sexual relations or physical contact with another person (opposite or same sex)".

So I'd take any other accusations she makes with a large, heaping spoonful of salt.
 
2013-07-30 02:15:39 AM  

digitalrain: Adults shouldn't free the fark out over perfectly NORMAL emerging sexual urges in teenagers. Kids
should be taught that it is perfectly normal. They should be taught that some age appropriate level
of experimenting is  OK but a) both parties must be consenting, b) if one party puts on the brakes,
that's it. No coercion,and c) it isn't cool to fark with someone and lead them on only to drop them cold
(though item b stillapplies regardless).


You are an idiot. If your teen daughter came home from camp pregnant, because of her perfectly normal and consenting experimenting, you would be suing the camp for not stopping her from spreading her legs, and you know it. And your last two points totally contradict each other.
 
2013-07-30 02:17:03 AM  

doglover: Colleges don't need insurance for young kids, overnight supervision, uniforms, or a canoe for everyone. College students bring most of their own stuff, assume legal responsibilities, and are only there three times a week during business hours.


This is true. Canoes and canvas tents are very expensive compared to computer labs and climate-controlled buildings. And I imagine paying a bunch of camp counselors 10 bucks an hour is way more than PhD's ask for. /s
 
2013-07-30 02:18:37 AM  

mcnguyen: Wait a minute, the camp felt it necessary to  call the police over this?


The camp director claims ' 'the boy and girl had begun to undress and were "making out." ' '

Depending on age (and age difference), it could be something they thought worthy of reporting to the police, given Connecticut's laws regarding underage sex.
 
2013-07-30 02:19:26 AM  

jtown: Omahawg: are you ready for the summer?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337]

Ah, the 70s.  When a girl could go from hardcore porn to a kids' movie and nobody batted an eye.


Bill Murray did hardcore porn?
 
2013-07-30 02:19:31 AM  

Fano: I cannot comprehend that someone cannot understand the level of deceit that a kid is capable of


I endeavored to raise that point at trial but did THAT work out? Not so much.

How'd it work out for you, by the way?
 
2013-07-30 02:20:35 AM  

digitalrain: Adults shouldn't free the fark out over perfectly NORMAL emerging sexual urges in teenagers.


They should when they are responsible for the teenagers and laws make them liable for anything the teen does and anything that happens to the teen.
 
2013-07-30 02:26:58 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Fano: I cannot comprehend that someone cannot understand the level of deceit that a kid is capable of

I endeavored to raise that point at trial but did THAT work out? Not so much.

How'd it work out for you, by the way?


Aquitted on ALL charges plus a lucrative countersuit that bought me 2 consecutive months of TF this year.
 
2013-07-30 02:32:56 AM  
 
2013-07-30 02:34:33 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: digitalrain: Adults shouldn't free the fark out over perfectly NORMAL emerging sexual urges in teenagers.

They should when they are responsible for the teenagers and laws make them liable for anything the teen does and anything that happens to the teen.


This, sorry teens, your parents, who are paying for everything you do, have no compelling interest in letting you fark like otters, because having been teenagers themselves, know that you will fark everything that moves, protection or no. They don't want to be responsible for pregnancy, STDs or 'told ya so' heartbreak.
 
2013-07-30 02:35:04 AM  
Running a camp is expensive -

Insurance out the arse (doing dangerous things with rich people's children?  Yeah.  $$$)

Have to pay for tons of food, transportation can be a huge expense, taking care of horses, equipment, etc. etc.

Hard to say without knowing the camp itself - the one I worked at had a fleet of two dozen fifteen passenger vans, a few shuttles, well over a hundred buildings to maintain, well over a hundred horses to feed and equip and take care of, equipment for archery, riflery, backpacking, hiking, rafting, fishing, mountain-biking, etc... its own waste and water systems....  pretty high quality food for hundreds of people, and a staff ratio (including administrative and support staff) of about 1-2.5 or so.  Base salary for counselors is about 300/week, with more for returning staff and unit directors and whatnot...

So, yeah, for a good camp - pricey.
 
2013-07-30 03:16:48 AM  

WeenerGord: jtown: Omahawg: are you ready for the summer?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337]

Ah, the 70s.  When a girl could go from hardcore porn to a kids' movie and nobody batted an eye.

Bill Murray did hardcore porn?


Possibly, but I was thinking of Kristine DeBell.
 
2013-07-30 04:43:48 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

OH!  I'll be the victim!!
 
2013-07-30 04:47:35 AM  

sweatybronson: Running a camp is expensive -

Insurance out the arse (doing dangerous things with rich people's children?  Yeah.  $$$)

Have to pay for tons of food, transportation can be a huge expense, taking care of horses, equipment, etc. etc.

Hard to say without knowing the camp itself - the one I worked at had a fleet of two dozen fifteen passenger vans, a few shuttles, well over a hundred buildings to maintain, well over a hundred horses to feed and equip and take care of, equipment for archery, riflery, backpacking, hiking, rafting, fishing, mountain-biking, etc... its own waste and water systems....  pretty high quality food for hundreds of people, and a staff ratio (including administrative and support staff) of about 1-2.5 or so.  Base salary for counselors is about 300/week, with more for returning staff and unit directors and whatnot...

So, yeah, for a good camp - pricey.


That sounds like the Las Vegas hotel of camps.  Of course that would cost a shiat-ton of money to run!
 
2013-07-30 05:06:19 AM  
You can tell from almost any thread on any issue who fancies themselves a proper Capitalist


Frighteningly amusing.
 
2013-07-30 05:08:39 AM  

sweatybronson: Running a camp is expensive -

Insurance out the arse (doing dangerous things with rich people's children?  Yeah.  $$$)

Have to pay for tons of food, transportation can be a huge expense, taking care of horses, equipment, etc. etc.

Hard to say without knowing the camp itself - the one I worked at had a fleet of two dozen fifteen passenger vans, a few shuttles, well over a hundred buildings to maintain, well over a hundred horses to feed and equip and take care of, equipment for archery, riflery, backpacking, hiking, rafting, fishing, mountain-biking, etc... its own waste and water systems....  pretty high quality food for hundreds of people, and a staff ratio (including administrative and support staff) of about 1-2.5 or so.  Base salary for counselors is about 300/week, with more for returning staff and unit directors and whatnot...

So, yeah, for a good camp - pricey.


Meh - I went to a camp for 9 years and worked there one year.  There were close to 200 campers each session and only once did anyone have anything serious happen to them and it didn't have anything to do with camp activities.  The staff ratio was probably closer to 4:1 but considering most of those were just older teens acting as counselors or junior counselors I wouldn't put much stock in it.  (and the work crew and kitchen crew didn't have any responsibility for the campers so it was probably more like 5:1 with most of those only being a couple years older than the kids they were in charge of).

We shot guns, bows and arrows, rode horses and donkeys, played baseball swam in a pond with water mocassins, water skied, and didn't have fancy vans to take us to the lake where we went boating.  They were old stake trucks  Just jump in the back and hang on.

How did we ever survive?  And what you're neglecting is there are a lot of kids.  Like I said upthread the one I used to go to now charges about $1250 a week (if you sign your kid up for 4 weeks).  If they have 200 kids (it looks like they might take more now) that's revenue of $250,000 a week.

But it's expensive, right?  Yeah, I'm sure they probably pay their "work crew" more than $100 a week these days and those fancy vans must cost more than the stake trucks but this girl's "tuition" was $12,000....well according to the article anyway.  Looking at their website it looks like "tuition" only goes up to $9250 if you go for 6 weeks.  2 weeks is $3250 or $1625 per week.

They still probably pay their work crew and counselors less than minimum wage, buy food in bulk and pay the owners/administrators 6 digit salaries if not more.

It sounds like the camp you worked at was much bigger than mine.  2 dozen vans, plus shuttle buses and over a hundred buildings?  That's enough to put 360 people on the road just in vans.  I think ours had at most a half dozen stake trucks and that's probably a generous estimate, probably no more than 30 buildings if I count the golf shed and stable.

What do you figure their revenue per week is?  $600,000?  More?  But you say camp only lasts 6 weeks or so during the summer.  Yeah, right.  Like they don't rent out that property for anything else the whole rest of the year.  They're making money hand over fist.
 
2013-07-30 05:57:18 AM  
Where exactly did she "kiss" him?
 
2013-07-30 06:33:42 AM  
Overnight summer camp? They saved that boys life.
That wasn't a kiss. She was going to eat him!
 
2013-07-30 07:04:01 AM  
FTFA:
Arnold also said Lein shared confidential information about the girl, telling other campers she suffers from anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, and low self-esteem.

How would Lein know?

If Lein would have reason to know, and it's true, then welcome to getting your ass kicked.
 
2013-07-30 07:07:05 AM  
I went to a LARPing summer camp that was somehow about 60/40 male/female. We were pretty much unsupervised when not engaged in camp programming (which were awesome things like capture the flag with foam swords). The rule was "No OVA" which stood for oral/vaginal/anal but at that point who is really paying attention? No camp babies to the best of my knowledge and I'm still in touch with a lot of people from there. Nor were there any major disasters or lawsuits. We all turned out okay.
 
2013-07-30 07:15:09 AM  

i.r.id10t: BTW, I'm getting a kick ...... and she's got a good brain and she uses it.


No she doesn't.   She had her legs in the air the whole time.
 
2013-07-30 07:22:23 AM  

A Terrible Human: HillbillyBubba: I went to camp there! I got the Outdoorsman Award because I used to be an outdoorsy badass type. Now I'm in indoorsy allergic to everything that has pollen type.

Awesome! Did you go to Robert C. Webb and if so how long ago? I felt like a badass when I got a junior hunting and fishing license. The last year I went it was co-ed but they made damn sure the boys and girls couldn't be alone together.


Yep. I was also a counselor there for two summers when I was in college.
 
2013-07-30 07:29:01 AM  

doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.


It doesn't say anywhere that its for a week. Day camps (non spend the night, I can't afford real camp..) generally run 1500 or so a for the summer. So I could believe 6,000 for a spend the night camp. But yes if its for a single week? Holy hell.
 
2013-07-30 07:44:21 AM  
Good you don't get to expel someone for kissing in 2013 (unless you're some sort of fundie camp maybe). The director should have called the parents explained the situation, recommended expulsion and said they'd prorate a refund.
 
2013-07-30 07:54:05 AM  

MindStalker: doglover: The lawsuit seeks a refund of camp tuition for both girls (over $12,000)

$6,000 for a summer camp? That's about six times more than you'd think it would cost for a week. Do they have caviar Wednesdays or hire active military units to fly in and pay for the Jet A.

It doesn't say anywhere that its for a week. Day camps (non spend the night, I can't afford real camp..) generally run 1500 or so a for the summer. So I could believe 6,000 for a spend the night camp. But yes if its for a single week? Holy hell.


From their website 4 weeks is $6450, 6 weeks is $9250, 2 weeks $3250.


What that tells me is not to have kids because camp is farking expensive.
 
2013-07-30 07:58:23 AM  
Here's the complaint.  I don't see a single request for $75,000 or $600,000 or whatever, so that seems makey-uppy and half the thread can get their sandy panties out of their collective vadge about the recovery.

The thing does, however, make hilarious reading (the pseudonyms help):

22. On or about July 11, 2013, at "court time," Dick nervously kissed
Plaintiff, JANE, behind the arts and crafts building.
23. This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment between Dick and
Plaintiff, JANE.
24. The male counselors of Defendant, CAMP EMERSON and/or "ABC
CORPORATION 1-5" learned of the kiss and appropriately high-fived
and/or congratulated and/or cheered Dick.
25. When Defendant, SUE LEIN and/or "MARY MOE 1-5" learned of
this innocent kiss, she carelessly and/or recklessly and/or negligently
and/or intentionally yelled and screamed at Dick and Plaintiff, JANE, in
front of other campers and/or counselors, falsely accused them of
sexually provocative behavior including the removal of each other's
clothing, causing Plaintiff, JANE, inter alia, severe emotional distress
and/or mental anguish and/or depression and/or extreme anxiety
and/or humiliation and/or guilt and/or embarrassment.

/poorly pleaded complaint is poorly pleaded
 
2013-07-30 08:06:07 AM  

Lady Indica: Several people made a point of asking what happened to the boy involved. I'd be very interested to know that too. Was he hauled out in front of the camp and called all manner of names too? Not that he should have been mind you, but I'm betting there was a double standard here.


Or maybe he was expelled, but his parents are not suing. No lawsuit, no story.

Considering all the other stuff the girl's parents are suing for, it's a safe that if a double standard had been applied they would have sued for that too.
 
2013-07-30 08:20:05 AM  

gfid: but this girl's "tuition" was $12,000....well according to the article anyway. Looking at their website it looks like "tuition" only goes up to $9250 if you go for 6 weeks. 2 weeks is $3250 or $1625 per week.


Article states 12,000 for the two siblings. $6000 a piece.
 
2013-07-30 08:20:24 AM  

ArkAngel: The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks


They need a cook at fat camp?  They need someone to rinse and chop the lettuce and carrots, maybe.
 
2013-07-30 08:26:26 AM  
The old, "one time at band camp" is nothing compared to "every time at church/Bible/Christian camp".

If you want to maintain your child's chastity and virtue never ever send him/her to a church camp.
 
2013-07-30 08:28:56 AM  

Teiritzamna: Here's the complaint.  I don't see a single request for $75,000 or $600,000 or whatever, so that seems makey-uppy and half the thread can get their sandy panties out of their collective vadge about the recovery.

The thing does, however, make hilarious reading (the pseudonyms help):

22. On or about July 11, 2013, at "court time," Dick nervously kissed
Plaintiff, JANE, behind the arts and crafts building.
23. This kiss was a beautiful, innocent moment between Dick and
Plaintiff, JANE.
24. The male counselors of Defendant, CAMP EMERSON and/or "ABC
CORPORATION 1-5" learned of the kiss and appropriately high-fived
and/or congratulated and/or cheered Dick.
25. When Defendant, SUE LEIN and/or "MARY MOE 1-5" learned of
this innocent kiss, she carelessly and/or recklessly and/or negligently
and/or intentionally yelled and screamed at Dick and Plaintiff, JANE, in
front of other campers and/or counselors, falsely accused them of
sexually provocative behavior including the removal of each other's
clothing, causing Plaintiff, JANE, inter alia, severe emotional distress
and/or mental anguish and/or depression and/or extreme anxiety
and/or humiliation and/or guilt and/or embarrassment.

/poorly pleaded complaint is poorly pleaded


OK, I just read the complaint. If what is alleged in it is true, then the lawsuit is very justified.

No, it doesn't say anything about $600k or $75k, but that's only because you posted a copy in which the amounts for the individual counts have been left blank, as have the signatures. There is no reason to believe that the amount of the lawsuit is not as stated in TFA.
 
2013-07-30 08:32:13 AM  

TigerzDad: The old, "one time at band camp" is nothing compared to "every time at church/Bible/Christian camp".

If you want to maintain your child's chastity and virtue never ever send him/her to a church camp.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-30 08:36:37 AM  

Carth: What that tells me is not to have kids because camp is farking expensive.


Smartest thing I've read on Fark.the internet all year


MindStalker: Article states 12,000 for the two siblings. $6000 a piece.


Dammit, now you expect me to read and comprehend the article?  Shiat.   Still a lot of money.  Maybe the parents should spend some time with their kids.  $6000 would pay for round trip plane tickets and lodging for a family of 4 to DisneyWorld or any place else where their cousins live.
 
2013-07-30 08:39:05 AM  
it just doesn't matter
 
2013-07-30 08:40:32 AM  

jtown: Bill Murray did hardcore porn?

Possibly, but I was thinking of Kristine DeBell.


Neither, with a straight face.
 
2013-07-30 09:21:46 AM  

inclemency: You can tell from almost any thread on any issue who fancies themselves a proper Capitalist


Frighteningly amusing.


Nyessssss, Nigel, I say, wot wot.


[CHECKS STOCK TICKER]
 
2013-07-30 09:33:00 AM  
Went to camp once....half the kids came down with food poisoning....I remember having to provide a stool sample to a doctor and when I was 'getting it' and putting 'it' into a jar my brother busted into the bathroom making me drop 'it' on the floor....what a douche....
 
m00
2013-07-30 09:49:53 AM  
What ever happened to "bring enough to share"? :)
 
2013-07-30 09:55:56 AM  

Richard Freckle: Yeah I agree on the 1k. Sending a pair of kids away for a week at 12k is some pretty uninspired parenting.  A lot of cool education and/or fun could be had for 12k.


You assume that the weeks before and the weeks after camp, the parents aren't spending any money enriching the lives of their children? Or is this the end of their $12k annual kid activity budget?

Sure some (many?) are just pawning their kids off for a week, but to assume that's the norm smacks of jealousy of the rich.
 
2013-07-30 10:02:38 AM  
In alternate universe...

Underage girl gets pregnant at summer camp. Parents sue for $2,000,000.
 
2013-07-30 10:46:42 AM  

waterrockets: Richard Freckle: Yeah I agree on the 1k. Sending a pair of kids away for a week at 12k is some pretty uninspired parenting.  A lot of cool education and/or fun could be had for 12k.

You assume that the weeks before and the weeks after camp, the parents aren't spending any money enriching the lives of their children? Or is this the end of their $12k annual kid activity budget?

Sure some (many?) are just pawning their kids off for a week, but to assume that's the norm smacks of jealousy of the rich.


The 12k camp is the entire summer. I'd argue there are more enriching things a 13 year old could be doing than being at summer camp. Most would cost less than $12,000
 
2013-07-30 11:05:54 AM  

Carth: waterrockets: Richard Freckle: Yeah I agree on the 1k. Sending a pair of kids away for a week at 12k is some pretty uninspired parenting.  A lot of cool education and/or fun could be had for 12k.

You assume that the weeks before and the weeks after camp, the parents aren't spending any money enriching the lives of their children? Or is this the end of their $12k annual kid activity budget?

Sure some (many?) are just pawning their kids off for a week, but to assume that's the norm smacks of jealousy of the rich.

The 12k camp is the entire summer. I'd argue there are more enriching things a 13 year old could be doing than being at summer camp. Most would cost less than $12,000


Well, it's a 4-week camp:  http://www.campemerson.com/prospective_parents/dates_fees (based on the over $12k number). I'd agree that is a bit long, unless you're hoping your kid will get some out there.

There are some really expensive camps out there though, and they're pretty badass.
 
2013-07-30 11:13:00 AM  

waterrockets: Carth: waterrockets: Richard Freckle: Yeah I agree on the 1k. Sending a pair of kids away for a week at 12k is some pretty uninspired parenting.  A lot of cool education and/or fun could be had for 12k.

You assume that the weeks before and the weeks after camp, the parents aren't spending any money enriching the lives of their children? Or is this the end of their $12k annual kid activity budget?

Sure some (many?) are just pawning their kids off for a week, but to assume that's the norm smacks of jealousy of the rich.

The 12k camp is the entire summer. I'd argue there are more enriching things a 13 year old could be doing than being at summer camp. Most would cost less than $12,000

Well, it's a 4-week camp:  http://www.campemerson.com/prospective_parents/dates_fees (based on the over $12k number). I'd agree that is a bit long, unless you're hoping your kid will get some out there.

There are some really expensive camps out there though, and they're pretty badass.


I forgot the article was talking about 2 kids. I was adding the 9k for 6 weeks then with 3k for 2 week to get the 12k for the summer number.
 
2013-07-30 11:25:28 AM  

waterrockets: There are some really expensive camps out there though, and they're pretty badass.


If it costs that much it's not a camp, even if it has trees.
 
2013-07-30 11:26:51 AM  
Emerson alum here. But it was in the 70's. Back then, the counselors would have had to stop farking each other long enough to notice two kids making out in the corner.

The NYPost article has some additional details as well, including the fact that the father is also an attorney:

"And the campers and counselors aren't squeaky clean. According to the lawsuit, campers urinated on each other, called the nutritionist fat and were forced to change in front of other campers. The suit also claims that counselors drank alcohol and did drugs and that the kitchen staff slept and smoked cigarettes in the same bunks as the campers."

Lets break this down:
Urinating on each other - Not uncommon to pee in the lake where everyone was swimming
Call nutritionist fat - was she?
Change in front of other campers - its a bunk - big open room with beds. If you didn't change in front of everyone else, you eventually became the stinky kid and got thrown in the showers.
Counselors drank and did drugs - well some things haven't changed since the 70's
Kitchen staff slept/smoked in same bunks with campers - I can see the concern. How many fires are caused each year by people falling asleep with lit cigarettes?
 
2013-07-30 11:45:44 AM  
Did summer camp once in the early 80s (I was about 12). Our cabin monitor (or whatever they called them) played hockey for MSU. Rainy days were spent in the cabin, cowering behind pillows and blankets while he practiced his slap shot with a tennis ball and we all thought it was fun! Got caught trying to peek in the girl's showers once by a female counselor and after she got done laughing at us for being a bunch of little pervs, she flashed us. Ric Romero reports that camps are different because parents are different. Today, she'd be a registered sex offender and he'd be charged with assault or some such. Back then? Meh, you saw some tits and survived tennis ball hockey.

/Parents only sent me to camp once but sent me on 3 Outward Bound trips.
//Desert, Everglades and BWCA in N. Minnesota/S. Canada
 
2013-07-30 11:49:42 AM  

ArkAngel: The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks


Why? Fire you and let the problem fix itself.
 
2013-07-30 01:10:14 PM  

gfid: this girl's "tuition" was $12,000


The 'tuition' was 12k for the girl and for her sister...

So 6k per person...   Other sites say it was a 4-week camp, so it is rather pricey...

Also, lawsuit withdrawn

Sounds like this girl had lots of psychological issues - whatever happened at the camp, whoever turned this into a national story is an arse.  (lawyer?  parents?  Lawyer parents?)

It'd be interesting to hear someone else's side of the story, besides just what a lawyer says based on what a teenager with lots of psychological issues said when she got caught and had to explain things to her mom...
 
2013-07-30 01:12:37 PM  

sweatybronson: gfid: this girl's "tuition" was $12,000

The 'tuition' was 12k for the girl and for her sister...

So 6k per person...   Other sites say it was a 4-week camp, so it is rather pricey...

Also, lawsuit withdrawn

Sounds like this girl had lots of psychological issues - whatever happened at the camp, whoever turned this into a national story is an arse.  (lawyer?  parents?  Lawyer parents?)

It'd be interesting to hear someone else's side of the story, besides just what a lawyer says based on what a teenager with lots of psychological issues said when she got caught and had to explain things to her mom...


Sounds like the parent were pissed about not getting a refund and wanted to ruin the camps reputation by getting its name out there and calling the director a slut shamer.
 
2013-07-30 01:35:08 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

  If I were on the jury I'd be willing to award a pro-rated amount of the camp fee based on the time she was there, but that would be it.

Well that's because you are reasonable and sensible.  A bit much to expect out of most people, or so it would seem.
 
2013-07-30 02:06:47 PM  
Just read about this in the local paper...she had supposedly removed her bra as well.
 
2013-07-30 03:22:39 PM  

HillbillyBubba: A Terrible Human: HillbillyBubba: I went to camp there! I got the Outdoorsman Award because I used to be an outdoorsy badass type. Now I'm in indoorsy allergic to everything that has pollen type.

Awesome! Did you go to Robert C. Webb and if so how long ago? I felt like a badass when I got a junior hunting and fishing license. The last year I went it was co-ed but they made damn sure the boys and girls couldn't be alone together.

Yep. I was also a counselor there for two summers when I was in college.


Awesome. :3
 
2013-07-30 08:10:49 PM  

Somacandra: gonzoduke: Your snowflake is a slut

Oh good, I was hoping the Fark Misogyny Squad wouldn't sit this one out.

and have a seat over there for good measure.


I love sluts. Whoreay for sluts.
 
2013-07-30 08:23:33 PM  

Rand's lacy underwear: ArkAngel: The fat camp I'm cooking for charges $6,400 for three weeks

Why? Fire you and let the problem fix itself.


A bunch of fat kids skewer and BBQ some counselors.

I'm ok with that.
 
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