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2013-07-29 04:23:16 PM
Not even daisies?
 
2013-07-29 04:24:33 PM
Dead farmers, eh?

I wonder how many voted democrat....

/ I keed, I keed; *ducks*
 
2013-07-29 04:25:05 PM
But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.
 
2013-07-29 04:27:33 PM

Fark: Paying dead farmers not to grow anything


Wow: it's a government plan that actually has a 100% chance of succeeding.
 
2013-07-29 04:28:00 PM
I used to live in Nebraska, so this surprises me not in the slightest. About seven years back, D of A employees, many of them from Nebraska, were sent to Hawaii to learn about corn production. You get so many representatives and senators talking about cutting spending, and yet their cronies get so much in welfare themselves.
 
2013-07-29 04:28:05 PM
Query: I plan on not dying, and not growing anything soon.  Can I get paid by anyone?  I'm willing to relocate my P.O. box for payment.
 
2013-07-29 04:29:36 PM
I have  1 3/4 acre..... can I get paid for not growing anything? I have a serious talent for not growing anything. I can kill cacti. The only thing that manages to survive on my land is Lil Bee and a cat.
 
2013-07-29 04:31:34 PM
Dear Government,
I'm planning on not planting 300 acres of wheat, not planting 500 acres of soybeans and not planting 1000 acres of corn.

How much will my check be and when can I expect it?
 
2013-07-29 04:32:36 PM

Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.


While there's tons of pork and serious waste, when it comes to our national food supply certain subsidies are a good thing. It stabilizes the market and makes sure that certain crops are the same price from one week to the next. Volatility in crop prices was a major problem before subsidies.
 
2013-07-29 04:32:38 PM
Remember, it's greedy minorities and immigrants that leech off the government and get welfare.
 
2013-07-29 04:33:04 PM
Socialism!!!1!1!
 
2013-07-29 04:33:33 PM
see how bootstrappy farmers are?  They work so damn hard, they can even not grow corn when they're dead.

it's only right that we help the dead before we help the born ones from the city.....
 
2013-07-29 04:35:04 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

While there's tons of pork and serious waste, when it comes to our national food supply certain subsidies are a good thing. It stabilizes the market and makes sure that certain crops are the same price from one week to the next. Volatility in crop prices was a major problem before subsidies.


I completely agree. The thing that bothers me about it though, is people generally don't understand the point of agricultural subsidies (what you described) or go complaining about welfare where people are literally paid to not farm, depending on whichever will result in price stability.

It's really weird. It's one of America's most successful policies, and it is undeniably anti-market economics.
 
2013-07-29 04:36:02 PM

Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.


Part of it pays farmers not to plant food. The reason being, they don't want to flood the market. If everyone grew all the wheat, corn, soybeans, ect; that they could, you couldn't make a profit farming; because, all of the extra stuff grown would drive the price down.

It's kind of like how De Beers operates. Diamonds are more plentiful then they make it seem. They only let a small portion of their diamonds out at a time; that way, the price stays the same.

/ most of the programs are ment to help small time farmers; the big corperations just latched on too
 
2013-07-29 04:38:14 PM
So they've....bought the farm?
 
2013-07-29 04:38:46 PM

r1niceboy: I used to live in Nebraska, so this surprises me not in the slightest. About seven years back, D of A employees, many of them from Nebraska, were sent to Hawaii to learn about corn production. You get so many representatives and senators talking about cutting spending, and yet their cronies get so much in welfare themselves.


Well they had to go there because Hawaii is the #1 corn producing state in the middle of the pacific ocean.
 
2013-07-29 04:39:56 PM

miss diminutive: Not even daisies?


The problem is that when the farmers are pushing up daisies, they are growing something and they should no longer be getting paid to not grow.

/pining for the fjords
//dead but posting on Fark
///pay and zombie WelldeadLink will stop posting
 
2013-07-29 04:40:08 PM
Not sure if this is a strong argument for less government or more government. More of a "WTF, Government?" thing
 
2013-07-29 04:40:52 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

While there's tons of pork and serious waste, when it comes to our national food supply certain subsidies are a good thing. It stabilizes the market and makes sure that certain crops are the same price from one week to the next. Volatility in crop prices was a major problem before subsidies.



yeah, regulation takes money, so instead, let's just give the money to these guys.


We should start subsidizing oil and gas.  I mean more than we do now.
 
2013-07-29 04:40:59 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So they've....bought the farm?


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-29 04:46:15 PM

Treygreen13: Not sure if this is a strong argument for less government or more government. More of a "WTF, Government?" thing


The census of agriculture is used to catch some of this. I guess that counst as "more government"?
 
2013-07-29 04:51:06 PM
The first farking move is to not have Iowa (or any other corn belt state) so early in the election primaries.
 
2013-07-29 04:52:14 PM
 
2013-07-29 04:52:47 PM
- Someone forgets to update a spreadsheet.
- OMG GUBBIMUNTS

Or more likely:

- OH NO, GRANDPA IS DIE
- Not as long as he's getting these checks.
 
2013-07-29 04:52:53 PM

groppet: r1niceboy: I used to live in Nebraska, so this surprises me not in the slightest. About seven years back, D of A employees, many of them from Nebraska, were sent to Hawaii to learn about corn production. You get so many representatives and senators talking about cutting spending, and yet their cronies get so much in welfare themselves.

Well they had to go there because Hawaii is the #1 corn producing state in the middle of the pacific ocean.


This is true. Big Ag has test fields on the islands.

/And it's a big lie that it's to protect the world's crops from the mutant pollen.
 
2013-07-29 04:53:55 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

While there's tons of pork and serious waste, when it comes to our national food supply certain subsidies are a good thing. It stabilizes the market and makes sure that certain crops are the same price from one week to the next. Volatility in crop prices was a major problem before subsidies.


Well, I certainly HOPE there's pork in our food supply.
 
2013-07-29 04:55:01 PM
Large corporations can legally avoid paying taxes on tens of billions in income (e.g. Apple). Others regularly receive billions in subsidies (agro and energy). What's a few million here or there, eh?
 
2013-07-29 04:56:36 PM
They're not actually dead, but living in the corneblt just makes them feel as if they were dead
 
2013-07-29 04:57:02 PM

Treygreen13: Not sure if this is a strong argument for less government or more government. More of a "WTF, Government?" thing

Agreed. Perhaps you could create a 3rd party... I would join which isn't saying much.
 
2013-07-29 04:57:08 PM

Private_Citizen: Dear Government,
I'm planning on not planting 300 acres of wheat, not planting 500 acres of soybeans and not planting 1000 acres of corn.

How much will my check be and when can I expect it?


ya, me too.
 
2013-07-29 04:57:18 PM
Band name: Paying Dead Farmers
 
2013-07-29 04:57:34 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
Former Democratic Congressman Allen (Porky) Boyd.

While in Congress, he rewrote the Farm Subsidy Rules. Before the rule change, his family farm took in less than $25,000 total for all years. Since the rules (that he wrote in) have changed his family farm, run by one of his sons, has taken in 1.7 million dollars, about 90k a year. All tax free money. He used to grow soybeans, now it's a sod farm that produces "specialty grasses" for use on the greens at golf courses. The farm has grown no food in 15 years.
His other son? Jailed for running drugs and illegal aliens into the US from Mexico.

The laws he rewrote during the Clinton years have never been changed. During the Bush years, bonuses were also given to those in the program who had donated heavily to the republican party. But they didn't call them that, they called them "infrastructure enhancements". The whole program stinks to high heaven and is in drastic need of an overhaul.

Obama talked about changing their rules in a state of the Union address during his first term, but that was all it was, talk.
 
2013-07-29 04:58:58 PM

whither_apophis: groppet: r1niceboy: I used to live in Nebraska, so this surprises me not in the slightest. About seven years back, D of A employees, many of them from Nebraska, were sent to Hawaii to learn about corn production. You get so many representatives and senators talking about cutting spending, and yet their cronies get so much in welfare themselves.

Well they had to go there because Hawaii is the #1 corn producing state in the middle of the pacific ocean.

This is true. Big Ag has test fields on the islands.

/And it's a big lie that it's to protect the world's crops from the mutant pollen.


Wow, and I just pulled that out of my butt to be snarky.
 
2013-07-29 05:01:31 PM

iheartscotch: Dead farmers, eh?

I wonder how many voted democrat....

/ I keed, I keed; *ducks*


all of them???
 
2013-07-29 05:02:35 PM
We grow the best nothing money can buy.
 
2013-07-29 05:04:27 PM
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2013-07-29 05:15:15 PM

varmitydog: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 246x320]
Former Democratic Congressman Allen (Porky) Boyd.

While in Congress, he rewrote the Farm Subsidy Rules. Before the rule change, his family farm took in less than $25,000 total for all years. Since the rules (that he wrote in) have changed his family farm, run by one of his sons, has taken in 1.7 million dollars, about 90k a year. All tax free money. He used to grow soybeans, now it's a sod farm that produces "specialty grasses" for use on the greens at golf courses. The farm has grown no food in 15 years.
His other son? Jailed for running drugs and illegal aliens into the US from Mexico.

The laws he rewrote during the Clinton years have never been changed. During the Bush years, bonuses were also given to those in the program who had donated heavily to the republican party. But they didn't call them that, they called them "infrastructure enhancements". The whole program stinks to high heaven and is in drastic need of an overhaul.

Obama talked about changing their rules in a state of the Union address during his first term, but that was all it was, talk.



You might want to catch up on some light reading.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/republicans-who-got-farm-subsi di es-targeted-94532.html
 
2013-07-29 05:22:40 PM
Anyone else wish the DEA and ATF ran this way?
 
2013-07-29 05:28:06 PM
"His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn't earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major's father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," he counseled one and all, and everyone said, "Amen."
 
2013-07-29 05:29:00 PM
It's been awhile since I saw it, but there used to be a map showing where all of the ag subsidies went. A huge amount went to Manhattan.
 
2013-07-29 05:37:58 PM

foo monkey


"His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn't earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major's father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," he counseled one and all, and everyone said, "Amen."


"The good lord gave us two good hands so we can grab as much as we can with both of them."
*Pianosa fistbump*
 
2013-07-29 05:38:49 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

While there's tons of pork and serious waste, when it comes to our national food supply certain subsidies are a good thing. It stabilizes the market and makes sure that certain crops are the same price from one week to the next. Volatility in crop prices was a major problem before subsidies.


www.trolino.com
 
2013-07-29 05:40:35 PM

iheartscotch: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

Part of it pays farmers not to plant food. The reason being, they don't want to flood the market. If everyone grew all the wheat, corn, soybeans, ect; that they could, you couldn't make a profit farming; because, all of the extra stuff grown would drive the price down.

It's kind of like how De Beers operates. Diamonds are more plentiful then they make it seem. They only let a small portion of their diamonds out at a time; that way, the price stays the same.

/ most of the programs are ment to help small time farmers; the big corperations just latched on too


You can't make a profit growing subsidized crops, either, without the subsidies... because the market is flooded because of the subsidies.  How about something closer to equilibrium?
 
2013-07-29 05:49:48 PM

foo monkey: "His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any.


How good is Catch 22. I really should get around to reading it.
 
2013-07-29 05:51:44 PM

Wangiss: iheartscotch: Aarontology: But these subsidies go to businesses and therefore, aren't billions upon billions of dollars in welfare designed by the government to block market forces as much as possible.

Part of it pays farmers not to plant food. The reason being, they don't want to flood the market. If everyone grew all the wheat, corn, soybeans, ect; that they could, you couldn't make a profit farming; because, all of the extra stuff grown would drive the price down.

It's kind of like how De Beers operates. Diamonds are more plentiful then they make it seem. They only let a small portion of their diamonds out at a time; that way, the price stays the same.

/ most of the programs are ment to help small time farmers; the big corperations just latched on too

You can't make a profit growing subsidized crops, either, without the subsidies... because the market is flooded because of the subsidies.  How about something closer to equilibrium?


Equilibrium? Equilibrium is just a made-up word; so a young man, such as yourself, can wear a coat and tie and have a job. Now, go on and stamp your form, and stop wasting my time.


/ no one would stand for equilibrium; it'd triple food prices, or it'd bankrupt the farmers
 
2013-07-29 05:55:51 PM

groppet: whither_apophis: groppet: r1niceboy: I used to live in Nebraska, so this surprises me not in the slightest. About seven years back, D of A employees, many of them from Nebraska, were sent to Hawaii to learn about corn production. You get so many representatives and senators talking about cutting spending, and yet their cronies get so much in welfare themselves.

Well they had to go there because Hawaii is the #1 corn producing state in the middle of the pacific ocean.

This is true. Big Ag has test fields on the islands.

/And it's a big lie that it's to protect the world's crops from the mutant pollen.

Wow, and I just pulled that out of my butt to be snarky.


I figured you were but, yup Monsanto is all over Kauai.
 
2013-07-29 05:58:43 PM

iheartscotch: Wangiss: 

You can't make a profit growing subsidized crops, either, without the subsidies... because the market is flooded because of the subsidies.  How about something closer to equilibrium?

Equilibrium? Equilibrium is just a made-up word; so a young man, such as yourself, can wear a coat and tie and have a job. Now, go on and stamp your form, and stop wasting my time.


/ no one would stand for equilibrium; it'd triple food prices, or it'd bankrupt the farmers


You say it's a made up word, then you use it in a different way than I did.  It is impossible to discern where you are coming from.  What I'm saying is that the $11B spent on corn could diminish and still not hurt market demand.  Perhaps they could subsidize something that caused LESS DIABETES.  What if Lentils were virtually free and soda cost what it would without subsidies (triple its current price)?  I think fewer people would die agonizing deaths and we'd have fewer amputations.  We might even get a reputation for being "not the fattest rich country in the world."  The government can make that happen right away, but they won't because gotta win elections.
 
2013-07-29 06:10:20 PM

Wangiss: iheartscotch: Wangiss: 

You can't make a profit growing subsidized crops, either, without the subsidies... because the market is flooded because of the subsidies.  How about something closer to equilibrium?

Equilibrium? Equilibrium is just a made-up word; so a young man, such as yourself, can wear a coat and tie and have a job. Now, go on and stamp your form, and stop wasting my time.


/ no one would stand for equilibrium; it'd triple food prices, or it'd bankrupt the farmers

You say it's a made up word, then you use it in a different way than I did.  It is impossible to discern where you are coming from.  What I'm saying is that the $11B spent on corn could diminish and still not hurt market demand.  Perhaps they could subsidize something that caused LESS DIABETES.  What if Lentils were virtually free and soda cost what it would without subsidies (triple its current price)?  I think fewer people would die agonizing deaths and we'd have fewer amputations.  We might even get a reputation for being "not the fattest rich country in the world."  The government can make that happen right away, but they won't because gotta win elections.


*WOOOSHHHH*

/ you, apparently, haven't watched Shawshank Redemption recently

// if lentils were virtually free; how would you incentivize anyone to grow them, without subsidies? If you tripled the cost of soda, you'd have a riot. Corn, and by extension HFCs, prices are at record highs; and it hasn't effected the price of soda.
 
2013-07-29 06:17:40 PM

Wangiss: iheartscotch: Wangiss: 

You can't make a profit growing subsidized crops, either, without the subsidies... because the market is flooded because of the subsidies.  How about something closer to equilibrium?

Equilibrium? Equilibrium is just a made-up word; so a young man, such as yourself, can wear a coat and tie and have a job. Now, go on and stamp your form, and stop wasting my time.


/ no one would stand for equilibrium; it'd triple food prices, or it'd bankrupt the farmers

You say it's a made up word, then you use it in a different way than I did.  It is impossible to discern where you are coming from.  What I'm saying is that the $11B spent on corn could diminish and still not hurt market demand.  Perhaps they could subsidize something that caused LESS DIABETES.  What if Lentils were virtually free and soda cost what it would without subsidies (triple its current price)?  I think fewer people would die agonizing deaths and we'd have fewer amputations.  We might even get a reputation for being "not the fattest rich country in the world."  The government can make that happen right away, but they won't because gotta win elections.


So you want to feed people a soy-lentil blend? Perhaps make it green....
 
2013-07-29 06:20:13 PM
Obviously, the only way to deal with the corporate welfare fraud by agribusiness is to cut food stamps.
 
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