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(The Atlantic Wire)   The reviews are in for Fox News' interview of Reza Aslan: "The Most Embarrassing Interview Fox News Has Ever Done,", "absolutely demented" "The stupidity and ignorance here is bewildering," "Fitting to watch during a commercial break from Idiocracy"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 341
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2013-07-29 11:53:50 AM  
That is some quality trolling in the comments.
 
2013-07-29 12:31:02 PM  
"Absolutely Demented" pretty much describes Fox News.
 
2013-07-29 12:32:23 PM  
I only made it like 2:15 in before my ears were burning from her unbridled, stubborn ignorance.  We get it, he's a Muslim, can we move on, lady?

Does it get any better?  Reactions indicate "No."
 
2013-07-29 12:38:23 PM  
I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.
 
2013-07-29 12:45:58 PM  
Fox news can't be objective so how can anyone else (be objective)?

-It makes perfect sense for Fox News viewers.
 
2013-07-29 12:47:01 PM  

bdub77: I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.


Buy it because Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. His How to Win a Cosmic War was a fantastic look at how Fundamentalism has taken center stage in politics for the Middle East, and in America. His tracking of Fundamentalist movements within Israel, the Middle East and America digs into their historical roots, and documents how this dovetails into the political landscape. He is not just critical of Israel and American Fundamentalist, but also Islamic Fundamentalists, and rightly highlights that Muslims in the Middle East are far more likely to be attacked by their fellow Muslims. He is a scholar of the People of the Book, and these three faiths that are intertwined, yet fierce rivals, have issues that go far beyond just their take on Allah/Jehovah, but in political struggles and economic rivalries that go back several centuries.
 
2013-07-29 12:50:01 PM  

hubiestubert: bdub77: I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.

Buy it because Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. His How to Win a Cosmic War was a fantastic look at how Fundamentalism has taken center stage in politics for the Middle East, and in America. His tracking of Fundamentalist movements within Israel, the Middle East and America digs into their historical roots, and documents how this dovetails into the political landscape. He is not just critical of Israel and American Fundamentalist, but also Islamic Fundamentalists, and rightly highlights that Muslims in the Middle East are far more likely to be attacked by their fellow Muslims. He is a scholar of the People of the Book, and these three faiths that are intertwined, yet fierce rivals, have issues that go far beyond just their take on Allah/Jehovah, but in political struggles and economic rivalries that go back several centuries.


Thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely keep it under consideration. I've got such a queue of books to read it's bananas.
 
2013-07-29 12:56:42 PM  
It totally freaks me out sometimes that I live and work around people who watch Fox News.
 
2013-07-29 12:59:01 PM  

hubiestubert: bdub77: I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.

Buy it because Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. His How to Win a Cosmic War was a fantastic look at how Fundamentalism has taken center stage in politics for the Middle East, and in America. His tracking of Fundamentalist movements within Israel, the Middle East and America digs into their historical roots, and documents how this dovetails into the political landscape. He is not just critical of Israel and American Fundamentalist, but also Islamic Fundamentalists, and rightly highlights that Muslims in the Middle East are far more likely to be attacked by their fellow Muslims. He is a scholar of the People of the Book, and these three faiths that are intertwined, yet fierce rivals, have issues that go far beyond just their take on Allah/Jehovah, but in political struggles and economic rivalries that go back several centuries.



i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-29 01:11:17 PM  
Fun fact, Fox News reporter: Muslims consider Jesus a prophet. They do not, however, believe he was God, the Son of God, or that he was crucified. In fact, in the Qu'ran, he's referred to as the Messiah.

So that just leaves us Jews as the only Abrahamic religion that doesn't like Jesus. Except for those "Jews for Jesus," who don't quite understand about the whole "Jesus is not the Messiah" concept.
 
2013-07-29 01:17:28 PM  

Paris1127: Fun fact, Fox News reporter: Muslims consider Jesus a prophet. They do not, however, believe he was God, the Son of God, or that he was crucified. In fact, in the Qu'ran, he's referred to as the Messiah.

So that just leaves us Jews as the only Abrahamic religion that doesn't like Jesus. Except for those "Jews for Jesus," who don't quite understand about the whole "Jesus is not the Messiah" concept.


Even some jews consider Jesus to be a great Rabbi and worthy of study as nothing he said offends orthdox judaic teachings except the whole I am god's son bit which sorta runs afoul of the Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad  bit.

As for  Aslan's book, unless the media is wildly misrepresenting it, it  bascially seems to be premised on the idea that jesus was an Iscarrii or Zealot religious leader  rather than an Essene, which, based on the evidence currenty extant is laughably absurd.  But good on him for making Fox look like fools anyway
 
2013-07-29 01:18:13 PM  
I've read Aslan's books and I'll read this one, too.  He's a great author and scholar and has a marvelous sense of humor.

What I think is really funny about all this is that if we take Green's chief 'criticism' of his objectiveness at face value, then we must call into question everything any Christian or Jew has said about Islam.

Please, please tug at that thread, Fox News.
 
2013-07-29 01:21:25 PM  

ginandbacon: That is some quality trolling moderating in the comments.


???  Someone please tell me whoever that poster is just adopted the "moderator" monicker.
 
2013-07-29 01:22:03 PM  

Paris1127: Fun fact, Fox News reporter: Muslims consider Jesus a prophet. They do not, however, believe he was God, the Son of God, or that he was crucified. In fact, in the Qu'ran, he's referred to as the Messiah.

So that just leaves us Jews as the only Abrahamic religion that doesn't like Jesus. Except for those "Jews for Jesus," who don't quite understand about the whole "Jesus is not the Messiah" concept.


I was taught that in Lutheran school. At the time I regarded that as further evidence that Jesus did indeed exist, and that muslims are wrong with their beliefs--however, they still would be eligible to get into Heaven if they recognize that Jesus is God and ask Him for forgiveness of their sins.

I'm actually surprised to find out that most Christians don't seem to know that Islam has Jesus in their scripture as well. I guess they don't teach that stuff in Sunday school.

Anyway, I saw that reprehensible video and was pretty appalled, even for FoxNews her questions were simply horrendous and uncalled for. He handled it like a saint. I will admit that after watching that, I looked up his book on Amazon and read some reviews. I'm nose deep in another big book right now so I'll hold off on this one.
 
2013-07-29 01:22:35 PM  
Yikes! Just when I think fox news cannot possibly get any worse....
 
2013-07-29 01:22:36 PM  

Diogenes: I've read Aslan's books and I'll read this one, too.  He's a great author and scholar and has a marvelous sense of humor.

What I think is really funny about all this is that if we take Green's chief 'criticism' of his objectiveness at face value, then we must call into question everything any Christian or Jew has said about Islam.

Please, please tug at that thread, Fox News.


No, see. It's different then.
 
2013-07-29 01:26:17 PM  

Diogenes: I've read Aslan's books and I'll read this one, too.  He's a great author and scholar and has a marvelous sense of humor.

What I think is really funny about all this is that if we take Green's chief 'criticism' of his objectiveness at face value, then we must call into question everything any Christian or Jew has said about Islam.

Please, please tug at that thread, Fox News.


Ayyup. The hypocrisy demonstrated there is delicious to me. Oh please, do go on slamming this guy and his book about Jesus.
 
2013-07-29 01:28:16 PM  

Aarontology: Diogenes: I've read Aslan's books and I'll read this one, too.  He's a great author and scholar and has a marvelous sense of humor.

What I think is really funny about all this is that if we take Green's chief 'criticism' of his objectiveness at face value, then we must call into question everything any Christian or Jew has said about Islam.

Please, please tug at that thread, Fox News.

No, see. It's different then.


The brainwashed masses do not understand:

science
math
law
irony
other races
other religions
Biblical paradoxes
their own cognitive dissonance


This makes it very simple:
- no gays
- no abortions
- no government
- women in the kitchen
- guns
- wait for Rapture
- listen to Hannity/Limbaugh/FoxNews infinite feedback loop
 
2013-07-29 01:31:59 PM  

bdub77: I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.


Plus it is apparently a pretty damn good book.  I'm going to buy it.
 
2013-07-29 01:32:37 PM  

Magorn: Paris1127: Fun fact, Fox News reporter: Muslims consider Jesus a prophet. They do not, however, believe he was God, the Son of God, or that he was crucified. In fact, in the Qu'ran, he's referred to as the Messiah.

So that just leaves us Jews as the only Abrahamic religion that doesn't like Jesus. Except for those "Jews for Jesus," who don't quite understand about the whole "Jesus is not the Messiah" concept.

Even some jews consider Jesus to be a great Rabbi and worthy of study as nothing he said offends orthdox judaic teachings except the whole I am god's son bit which sorta runs afoul of the Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad  bit.


Oy. I've never heard of Jews studying Jesus, but I suppose some would (when I wrote that post I had forgotten that some Lubavitchers believe Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was the Messiah). Presumably Jesus is considered less of a Messiah and more of a mensch.
 
2013-07-29 01:32:50 PM  

hubiestubert: bdub77: I love how he treats the interview with so much disdain he basically conducts the interview like he's talking to a third grader. Which is probably about the reading level of the average Fox News viewer.

I'm tempted to buy the book just as a nice big f*ck you to Fox.

Buy it because Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. His How to Win a Cosmic War was a fantastic look at how Fundamentalism has taken center stage in politics for the Middle East, and in America. His tracking of Fundamentalist movements within Israel, the Middle East and America digs into their historical roots, and documents how this dovetails into the political landscape. He is not just critical of Israel and American Fundamentalist, but also Islamic Fundamentalists, and rightly highlights that Muslims in the Middle East are far more likely to be attacked by their fellow Muslims. He is a scholar of the People of the Book, and these three faiths that are intertwined, yet fierce rivals, have issues that go far beyond just their take on Allah/Jehovah, but in political struggles and economic rivalries that go back several centuries.


He is S-M-R-T.
 
2013-07-29 01:34:08 PM  

Diogenes: ginandbacon: That is some quality trolling moderating in the comments.

???  Someone please tell me whoever that poster is just adopted the "moderator" monicker.


I would have taken you intentions seriously if you have mentioned the same to people who use abuses and F*** word in the forum. I have no where abused any one other than write an opinion.
 
2013-07-29 01:34:33 PM  
FTComments:

Moderator • 12 hours ago −
There are reasons for the interviewer to ask him about His own faith. The reason being his support for Muslim brotherhood, supporting Islam and politics and implementation of shariah, Anti Israel stand and he is a big supporter of ex Iran president. He only writes about Christ because it sells and also because if he were to write anything about Mohammed harshly he would be beheaded.



ecx.images-amazon.com

I honestly think Ms. Green was trolling as "Moderator" to save face.
 
2013-07-29 01:35:06 PM  

Magorn: Paris1127: Fun fact, Fox News reporter: Muslims consider Jesus a prophet. They do not, however, believe he was God, the Son of God, or that he was crucified. In fact, in the Qu'ran, he's referred to as the Messiah.

So that just leaves us Jews as the only Abrahamic religion that doesn't like Jesus. Except for those "Jews for Jesus," who don't quite understand about the whole "Jesus is not the Messiah" concept.

Even some jews consider Jesus to be a great Rabbi and worthy of study as nothing he said offends orthdox judaic teachings except the whole I am god's son bit which sorta runs afoul of the Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad  bit.

As for  Aslan's book, unless the media is wildly misrepresenting it, it  bascially seems to be premised on the idea that jesus was an Iscarrii or Zealot religious leader  rather than an Essene, which, based on the evidence currenty extant is laughably absurd.  But good on him for making Fox look like fools anyway


I was raised Catholic and we were taught from a young age from Priests/teachers that Jesus was viewed as a zealot by the many at the time.  For whatever that is worth.  It is not an bizarre concept for me.
 
2013-07-29 01:36:03 PM  

Moderator: Diogenes: ginandbacon: That is some quality trolling moderating in the comments.

???  Someone please tell me whoever that poster is just adopted the "moderator" monicker.

I would have taken you intentions seriously if you have mentioned the same to people who use abuses and F*** word in the forum. I have no where abused any one other than write an opinion.


:-)
 
2013-07-29 01:38:51 PM  
I always thought the closer the manuscripts are to the eyewitness period the better. I fail to understand with all the Phd he has how can he possibly write about Christ as a primary witness. If you consider Gospel to be a historical document then i do not need a reza book, or he considers all the people throughout history to be dumb and that only he got the vision to decipher the real Gospel. The fact of the matter is the only evidence we have for christ is a small passage for christ from the roman historian and even a another small piece of parchment which writes about Jesus in a derogatory way. Just because he was crucified reza equates Jesus to being a big problem creator and a political person. The evidence to Jesus is more circumstantial the disciples who gave their own life to preach about the Thug Jesus fully knowing that he was a bandit. (Reza best attempt to equate Jesus with the real bandit Muhammed). You cannot borrow only that information from the gospel that helps him to write while discarding others. He is used the same documents that is being present for hundreds of years in Museums and the same old arguments which was discarded by historians themselves .He is just doing his level best to earn a living for his wife and children as an author and a silly lady in FOX gave him that opportunity. Reza should send a gift to her.

I am in love!
 
2013-07-29 01:47:05 PM  
..what the fark is happening here? is Moderator drunk?
 
2013-07-29 01:47:59 PM  

Diogenes: FTComments:

Moderator • 12 hours ago −
There are reasons for the interviewer to ask him about His own faith. The reason being his support for Muslim brotherhood, supporting Islam and politics and implementation of shariah, Anti Israel stand and he is a big supporter of ex Iran president. He only writes about Christ because it sells and also because if he were to write anything about Mohammed harshly he would be beheaded.


[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

I honestly think Ms. Green was trolling as "Moderator" to save face.


Wow, even the Fox News comment-monitors are lying sacks of shat.
 
2013-07-29 01:51:11 PM  

mrshowrules: I was raised Catholic and we were taught from a young age from Priests/teachers that Jesus was viewed as a zealot by the many at the time.  For whatever that is worth.  It is not an bizarre concept for me.


And how can one think a guy was crucified for his teachings, and not think he was viewed as a zealot by the many at the time?
 
2013-07-29 01:51:36 PM  

Diogenes: He only writes about Christ because it sells


Why do Fox readers hate capitalism?
 
2013-07-29 01:54:04 PM  

Aarontology: Diogenes: He only writes about Christ because it sells

Why do Fox readers hate capitalism?


This is bad news....for Jerome Corsi.
 
2013-07-29 01:56:08 PM  

impaler: mrshowrules: I was raised Catholic and we were taught from a young age from Priests/teachers that Jesus was viewed as a zealot by the many at the time.  For whatever that is worth.  It is not an bizarre concept for me.

And how can one think a guy was crucified for his teachings, and not think he was viewed as a zealot by the many at the time?


I meant capital "Z" Zealot.  Not the generic way we use the word today.
 
2013-07-29 01:58:49 PM  

Moderator: I always thought the closer the manuscripts are to the eyewitness period the better. I fail to understand with all the Phd he has how can he possibly write about Christ as a primary witness. If you consider Gospel to be a historical document then i do not need a reza book, or he considers all the people throughout history to be dumb and that only he got the vision to decipher the real Gospel. The fact of the matter is the only evidence we have for christ is a small passage for christ from the roman historian and even a another small piece of parchment which writes about Jesus in a derogatory way. Just because he was crucified reza equates Jesus to being a big problem creator and a political person. The evidence to Jesus is more circumstantial the disciples who gave their own life to preach about the Thug Jesus fully knowing that he was a bandit. (Reza best attempt to equate Jesus with the real bandit Muhammed). You cannot borrow only that information from the gospel that helps him to write while discarding others. He is used the same documents that is being present for hundreds of years in Museums and the same old arguments which was discarded by historians themselves .He is just doing his level best to earn a living for his wife and children as an author and a silly lady in FOX gave him that opportunity. Reza should send a gift to her.

I am in love!


LOLWUT?
 
2013-07-29 01:59:42 PM  
Zealot in a way, I guess.  I tend to think more that Jesus' teachings were driven by his motivation to help preserve the Jews in the face of overwhelming odds.  They have a sort of practicality (given historical and situational contexts) that I don't usually associate with zealotry.
 
2013-07-29 02:00:25 PM  

Paris1127: I've never heard of Jews studying Jesus, but I suppose some would


i.imgur.com        i.imgur.com

There are many Jewish scholars of religion who study Christianity in all of its parts, including but not limited to the Jesus Movement. Some of which is purely academic, and some of it confessional.
 
2013-07-29 02:01:11 PM  

doyner: LOLWUT?


I think ours is jealous of how theirs (if genuine) is just letting their personal opinions come out.
 
2013-07-29 02:02:32 PM  

Diogenes: Moderator: Diogenes: ginandbacon: That is some quality trolling moderating in the comments.

???  Someone please tell me whoever that poster is just adopted the "moderator" monicker.

I would have taken you intentions seriously if you have mentioned the same to people who use abuses and F*** word in the forum. I have no where abused any one other than write an opinion.

:-)


LOL!
 
2013-07-29 02:03:21 PM  

Diogenes: What I think is really funny about all this is that if we take Green's chief 'criticism' of his objectiveness at face value, then we must call into question everything any Christian or Jew has said about Islam.


A lot of scholars, Muslim and otherwise, have been doing that for awhile now. Orientalism and all that.
 
2013-07-29 02:03:43 PM  

mrshowrules: I meant capital "Z" Zealot.  Not the generic way we use the word today.


Oh.
 
2013-07-29 02:04:58 PM  

what_now: ..what the fark is happening here? is Moderator drunk?


I would guess that  Moderator had a liquid lunch.
 
2013-07-29 02:06:19 PM  
This is how Fox News gets their ratings
 
2013-07-29 02:06:21 PM  

Diogenes: Zealot in a way, I guess.  I tend to think more that Jesus' teachings were driven by his motivation to help preserve the Jews in the face of overwhelming odds.  They have a sort of practicality (given historical and situational contexts) that I don't usually associate with zealotry.


"Zealot" is a very technical term here in the academic study of the Intertestamental Period. Its usually identified with people who focused on cultural nationalism rather than the Saducees or Pharisees, although of course there was some crossover between agendas and groups. Peoples' Front of Judea and the Judean Peoples Front and all that.
 
2013-07-29 02:06:24 PM  

make me some tea: what_now: ..what the fark is happening here? is Moderator drunk?

I would guess that  Moderator had a liquid lunch.


Yup.  Stone Farking Wheaton w00t Derp.
 
2013-07-29 02:07:22 PM  

doyner: make me some tea: what_now: ..what the fark is happening here? is Moderator drunk?

I would guess that  Moderator had a liquid lunch.

Yup.  Stone Farking Wheaton w00t Derp.


It's good stuff. I bought 7 bottles over the weekend.
 
2013-07-29 02:07:38 PM  
Somacandra:  Peoples' Front of Judea and the Judean Peoples Front and such as.

Did they have maps?

/snerk
 
2013-07-29 02:19:32 PM  

Diogenes: Zealot in a way, I guess.  I tend to think more that Jesus' teachings were driven by his motivation to help preserve the Jews in the face of overwhelming odds.  They have a sort of practicality (given historical and situational contexts) that I don't usually associate with zealotry.


Big difference between small "z" zealot, as a generic noun, and Capital 'Z"  Zealot as a faction of turn of the millenia Judaism in Israel
 A better scholar than I can feel free to correct me but as I was taught it, at that time there were basically 4 competing  poltical/religious factions in Israel:

-The Pharisees and Saduccees who were the two " mainstream" Jewish factions very similar except for their disagreements on some doctrinal points like the existance of an immortal soul (think Democrats and Republlicans)  at the time the Pharisees had control of all the levels of poltical/spiritual power including the temple and priesthood

-the Essenes who were a more mystical sect, famous for living in desert communes (the Dead Sea Scrolls were from one of their libraries) and the Pioneers of the concept of a "bleeding Messiah",  which is to say that instead of military ruler and ass-kicker, the messiah would redeem Israel by serving as a blood sacrifice for its sins.   in general shunned the temple and the religious bureaucracy in favor of a return to a more "pure Judaism that emphasized direct interaction with god rather than trough intermeidiaries)   John the Baptist was almost certainly from the Essene tradition, and I was taught that most scholars figure Jesus was too.

-the Zealots or Iscarii (ie Judas the Iscarii or Judas Iscariot)  were less religious and more poltical, essentially the 30 AD equivalent of Al-Qeada.  The wanted to wipe our the Roman Oppressors militarily and take the Pharisees with them (who were considered collaborators)   They believed firmly in the "military messiah"  who would sweep in and lead a victorious holy war against the impure and the opressors and restore Israel to its former greatness.   About 30 years after Jesus' death Simon Bar Kochba arose from this faction and claiming to be the Messiah lead the Jewish rebellion recoded in Josephus that included the famous last stand at Masda.  His insistance on calling himself a Messiah and his militaristic bent was what cemented the schism between nascent Christianity and Judaism, as the Christians refused to take up arms under his banner because of his messanic claims
 
2013-07-29 02:21:42 PM  
who?
 
2013-07-29 02:21:48 PM  
The leading semi-intellectual comment I have heard from people on the far right is that, as a Muslim, he is morally obligated to lie under all circumstances in order to advance Islam. I almost knocked myself out from headdesking so hard.
 
2013-07-29 02:24:14 PM  
Allow me to recap the 8-plus minute interview:

"So...you're a Muslim."
"Yes, but I'm also a well-respected researcher."
"But you're a Muslim!"
"Yes...but I have a Ph.D. and a twenty-year publishing history."
"But you're a Muslim!"
"Again, yes, but I'm a well-known scholar who studies all religions."
"Reagan!"
"What?"
"You never disclose that you're a Muslim!"
"Uh...it's on page...two, actually. Have you read my book?"
"Thanks for being with us today."

hahahaohwow.jpg
 
2013-07-29 02:24:43 PM  

Serious Black: The leading semi-intellectual comment I have heard from people on the far right is that, as a Muslim, he is morally obligated to lie under all circumstances in order to advance Islam.


That's just projection.

www.liarsforjesus.com
 
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