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(Yahoo)   Usain Bolt has accepted a challenge from Olympic middle distance champion Mo Farah to race for charity over 600 metres. Your dad can finish faster   (uk.eurosport.yahoo.com) divider line 47
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2013-07-29 01:21:31 PM  
At first I thought "who cares" but then I thought about it a little further. 600 still seems to favor Bolt but I think it's cool to see two athletes compete on more equal terms. Like a cruiserweight and a featherweight agreeing to box at  Middleweight in a year.
 
2013-07-29 01:24:56 PM  
This reminds me of the time Chad Johnson raced Sarah Jessica Parker for charity.

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2013-07-29 01:32:45 PM  

Treygreen13: At first I thought "who cares" but then I thought about it a little further. 600 still seems to favor Bolt but I think it's cool to see two athletes compete on more equal terms. Like a cruiserweight and a featherweight agreeing to box at  Middleweight in a year.


I still think it favors Bolt a little. 3 Times his Gold-medaling 200m distance compared to 5000m being 8.3 times as far for Farah. Bolt has less strategy to change.
 
2013-07-29 01:37:49 PM  
I fail to see how Bolt loses this unless he just plain doesn't take it seriously. I mean, hell, he used to freaking run the 400m competitively and had to convince his coach to let him run the 100m...

- Does Bolt have the stamina and/or speed over an extended period to keep up with Farah for a distance that is not all that much further than distances he already runs? I would think the training he puts in easily gives him the stamina to keep up with someone at 5000m speed for 500m.

- Does Farah have an extra gear that he can turn on that will somehow keep up with the fastest human on the planet? No.

Obviously, Bolt isn't going to have the energy to go in to 9.6 speed for the last 100m, but I'm willing to bet he can easily outpace a distance runner to win.
 
2013-07-29 01:38:55 PM  
farther

damnit
 
2013-07-29 01:42:20 PM  
I'd watch this. We know Bolt is arguably the greatest sprinter of all time so it would be interesting to see if he can conserve his pace over a 600m or 800m distance.

Farah could be just a freak athlete himself. I saw footage of him running a 3000m race at the London Olympic Stadium over the weekend and he won by over 60m. I don't know if it was a weak field or not, just that Farah has a massive finishing kick.

/they had a special event to celebrate 1 year since the opening of London 2012
 
2013-07-29 01:46:26 PM  

bulldg4life: I fail to see how Bolt loses this unless he just plain doesn't take it seriously. I mean, hell, he used to freaking run the 400m competitively and had to convince his coach to let him run the 100m...

- Does Bolt have the stamina and/or speed over an extended period to keep up with Farah for a distance that is not all that much further than distances he already runs? I would think the training he puts in easily gives him the stamina to keep up with someone at 5000m speed for 500m.

- Does Farah have an extra gear that he can turn on that will somehow keep up with the fastest human on the planet? No.

Obviously, Bolt isn't going to have the energy to go in to 9.6 speed for the last 100m, but I'm willing to bet he can easily outpace a distance runner to win.


The distances seem close but there is actually a pretty big strategy change training for 400 vs 600/800.
 
2013-07-29 01:47:46 PM  
FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.
 
2013-07-29 01:51:39 PM  

Carth: The distances seem close but there is actually a pretty big strategy change training for 400 vs 600/800.


Yeah....but I'm assuming Bolt has the stamina to stay with Farah over a distance that is not some crazy increase over what he trains to run (or used to, at least). I mean, obviously, Farah can run that distance with his eyes closed at a reasonably high pace. Does Bolt have the stamina to stay with him and out pace whatever Farah's finishing kick is? I've got to say yes.

If it split their distances and was a race over 2500m or something, then my answer would be different.
 
2013-07-29 02:11:20 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.


3:28 1500 ~ 7.2 m/s
1:15 600 ~ 8 m/s

So you think Farrah is going to slow down in the shorter distance?

Farrah will eat Bolt's lunch over the last 300m of a 600m race.
 
2013-07-29 02:13:30 PM  

bacongood: Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.

3:28 1500 ~ 7.2 m/s
1:15 600 ~ 8 m/s

So you think Farrah is going to slow down in the shorter distance?

Farrah will eat Bolt's lunch over the last 300m of a 600m race.


Math fail, but still, lunch will be ate.
 
2013-07-29 02:17:43 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.


FYI the world record in the 600m is 1:12.81 by a 1:42.60 800m runner.

It's obviously not a hotly contested record; Rudisha could break it if he wanted to.  But Bolt's not going to go 1:10.

My money is on Farah because he won't die at the end even if Bolt probably has it in him to go faster if everything works perfectly.
 
2013-07-29 02:24:13 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.


Wildcard:  Farah's last 400m in his 5000m win at the Olympics was 50.89 seconds.  The guy has some serious sprinting speed.

/still stunned that Galen Rupp took second in the 10,000m
 
2013-07-29 02:27:26 PM  

you have pee hands: It's obviously not a hotly contested record; Rudisha could break it if he wanted to.  But Bolt's not going to go 1:10.

My money is on Farah because he won't die at the end even if Bolt probably has it in him to go faster if everything works perfectly.


Rudisha challenged Bolt to a 400m race, Bolt declined.
 
2013-07-29 02:29:47 PM  

bulldg4life: Carth: The distances seem close but there is actually a pretty big strategy change training for 400 vs 600/800.

Yeah....but I'm assuming Bolt has the stamina to stay with Farah over a distance that is not some crazy increase over what he trains to run (or used to, at least). I mean, obviously, Farah can run that distance with his eyes closed at a reasonably high pace. Does Bolt have the stamina to stay with him and out pace whatever Farah's finishing kick is? I've got to say yes.

If it split their distances and was a race over 2500m or something, then my answer would be different.


Hard to say. there's a reason the 800m world record is about 12s more than double the 400m world record (1:40.something vs. 44.something). That's the dividing line between sprinting and middle distance. Past 400m, there's a real chance that you could run out of breath. Farah's run the 800 in 1:48, which would have gotten him into the semis at the Olympics in London, and that was when he was 19. That translates to 1:21 if he can't go any faster over 600 than 800. Bolt's 45 in the 400m translates to 1:07.5, but he'll have to slow down a lot to survive the last 200m. It should be close. I like the distance. Anything under 400m and Bolt blows Farah away, but anything over 800m and he just can't handle the distance. This race'll be fun. It was great when Donovan Bailey and Michael Johnson did the same thing after the Atlanta games.
 
2013-07-29 02:36:48 PM  

bacongood: bacongood: Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.

3:28 1500 ~ 7.2 m/s
1:15 600 ~ 8 m/s

So you think Farrah is going to slow down in the shorter distance?

Farrah will eat Bolt's lunch over the last 300m of a 600m race.

Math fail, but still, lunch will be ate.


Eh, I farked up my math, too.  My point was the race is going to be close enough at the end, but the gap over the first 400m is going to make it lame.
 
2013-07-29 02:41:34 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Eh, I farked up my math, too. My point was the race is going to be close enough at the end, but the gap over the first 400m is going to make it lame.


Something tells me that Farah won't care if he loses this race and he knows that getting Bolt to run out of his comfort zone will make for great TV and top dollar for charity.

/Love this idea
 
2013-07-29 02:42:14 PM  
I will watch the heck out of this.  I think the odds favor Mo due to the strategies involved in middle distance. Sprint strategy is explode and hold on.  A 600 will require some pacing but Bolt's top end speed will make him a threat.  800 or up and Mo smokes him.  400 on down and Usain will dominate.
 
2013-07-29 02:45:30 PM  

you have pee hands: Nana's Vibrator: FTFA, Farrah ran a 3:28 1500m.
I'd put him at ~1:15 at 600m
Bolt is a 0:45 400m runner.  I'll give him ~1:10 at 600m

The biggest problem here is that there will be a huge gap over the first 400m.  Bolt will be way out in front.  He'll have to be.  Farah will be closing over the last 50.  The first 60 seconds of the race will be pointless.

FYI the world record in the 600m is 1:12.81 by a 1:42.60 800m runner.

It's obviously not a hotly contested record; Rudisha could break it if he wanted to.  But Bolt's not going to go 1:10.

My money is on Farah because he won't die at the end even if Bolt probably has it in him to go faster if everything works perfectly.


Yeah, I farked up my lag estimate and had no regard for a reality check.  Fark me.  I remember thinking that Gray's 30-second gap over 200m is very wide, though yes, it's an excruciating 200m.  Then I just looked up and saw Duane Solomon went from 1:43 to 1:13 just this year.  So...I don't know what that means.
 
2013-07-29 02:54:26 PM  
I'm thinking Bolt sits on the first 400m and attempts to out kick Farrah at the end. If he runs out front, he's going to have no clue how hard to push after the 350m mark and will likely slow down more than he wants. Let him run side by side, and let his ego* take over with 200m to go.

*I'm saying this like it's a bad thing. Guys like this have to have monster egos.

/Not an Olympic level track coach
//Would love to see Farrah win. If he didn't have a smoking 1500m time, I wouldn't think he had a chance, but the guy can fly.
 
2013-07-29 03:00:58 PM  
Your dad can finish faster

And now you know why mommy and daddy don't live together anymore
 
2013-07-29 03:11:29 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Eh, I farked up my math, too.  My point was the race is going to be close enough at the end, but the gap over the first 400m is going to make it lame.


I think the gap will make it exciting.  Love watching a furious finisher running down someone who wishes the finish line was 50m closer.  It would be huge fun in a bar full of people who don't understand that 600m is just a different game than 400m.

/we could toss in Rudisha and just make everything pointless.
//the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it
 
2013-07-29 03:26:51 PM  

bacongood: /we could toss in Rudisha and just make everything pointless.
//the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it


I don't know where I was for that race - but I looked up Rudisha's 400m time - 45.13 (wiki - who knows if it was fully automated timing or whatever).  The exact middle between his 400 PR and his 1:40.91 800m WR is 1:13.02.  (or am I f'ing up my math again?)
Adjust down for the shorter distance, and you're damn right it'd be pointless.  The 1:12.81 would be in danger.
 
2013-07-29 03:28:52 PM  

bacongood: //the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it


I don't know if I'd call it the greatest race of those Olympics. Lightning quick, but Rudisha blew them all away. Here's the proof.

/If you know what to look for, you can find the raw world feeds and highlight videos from London 2012 on Youtube
 
2013-07-29 04:08:01 PM  

desertgeek: bacongood: //the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it

I don't know if I'd call it the greatest race of those Olympics. Lightning quick, but Rudisha blew them all away. Here's the proof.

/If you know what to look for, you can find the raw world feeds and highlight videos from London 2012 on Youtube


Yeah, that was part of what was awesome.  He basically said "screw tactics, I am Rudisha, I am faster than everyone, let me drag them around track twice."

He set the WR and dragged the 3rd best time ever (also the world junior record), the 10th best time ever, national records for Botswana and Ethopia (and clearly his Kenyan), personal bests for all but one athlete, the best finishing times for each place ever in a 800m.

This was clearly far better than watching Farah screw around for a couple miles before outkicking Kenyans with bad tactics or the drug cheats in the 1500 (mens and womens).  Maybe the Jamica sweep in the 200 is close.

/pretty sure the races are on the iaaf site as well...
 
2013-07-29 04:24:46 PM  

desertgeek: bacongood: //the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it

I don't know if I'd call it the greatest race of those Olympics. Lightning quick, but Rudisha blew them all away. Here's the proof.

/If you know what to look for, you can find the raw world feeds and highlight videos from London 2012 on Youtube


I would call it the greatest race in the athletics at least. The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.
 
2013-07-29 04:57:38 PM  

Norfolking Chance: The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.


No shiat?
 
2013-07-29 05:03:30 PM  

This Looks Fun: Norfolking Chance: The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.

No shiat?


There were zero tactics; just balls to the wall for two laps, try to keep up.  It was awesome.

/best running tactics from London were in the 10k of the tri
 
2013-07-29 05:07:09 PM  

This Looks Fun: Norfolking Chance: The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.

No shiat?


Beijing 800m Gold medalist - Wilfred Kipkemboi Bungei (KEN) - 1:44.65. That was the best time that year

London 800m Gold medalist - David Lekuta RUDISHA (KEN) - 1:41.91
8th and last place in the final - Andrew OSAGIE (GB) - 1:43.77
 
2013-07-29 05:09:19 PM  

Norfolking Chance: This Looks Fun: Norfolking Chance: The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.

No shiat?

Beijing 800m Gold medalist - Wilfred Kipkemboi Bungei (KEN) - 1:44.65. That was the best time that year

London 800m Gold medalist - David Lekuta RUDISHA (KEN) - 1:41.91
8th and last place in the final - Andrew OSAGIE (GB) - 1:43.77


Jesus, has something like that ever happened in 4 years? That seems... impossible. Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.
 
2013-07-29 05:32:06 PM  

This Looks Fun: Norfolking Chance: This Looks Fun: Norfolking Chance: The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.

No shiat?

Beijing 800m Gold medalist - Wilfred Kipkemboi Bungei (KEN) - 1:44.65. That was the best time that year

London 800m Gold medalist - David Lekuta RUDISHA (KEN) - 1:41.91
8th and last place in the final - Andrew OSAGIE (GB) - 1:43.77

Jesus, has something like that ever happened in 4 years? That seems... impossible. Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.


Well that time was only 3.5% better than the Athens time (1:44.45) so not completly over the top if you have a once in a lifetime athlete. But yes athletics records have not been falling since good drug testing has come in.
 
2013-07-29 05:59:23 PM  
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Norfolking Chance: desertgeek: bacongood: //the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it

I don't know if I'd call it the greatest race of those Olympics. Lightning quick, but Rudisha blew them all away. Here's the proof.

/If you know what to look for, you can find the raw world feeds and highlight videos from London 2012 on Youtube

I would call it the greatest race in the athletics at least. The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.


3 of the top 10 times in history in the 800 final.  As a former 800/1500/300 guy it was ridiculous to watch.  There were NO bad performances from any of the runners.  Usually you'll see one or two guys just fall off the pace completely at 650 or so.
 
2013-07-29 06:11:48 PM  

This Looks Fun: Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.


For the life of me I cannot understand how long it took people to come around on that guy. It was painfully obvious he was doping. A lot. A really long time ago.
 
2013-07-29 06:18:33 PM  

JohnBigBootay: This Looks Fun: Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.

For the life of me I cannot understand how long it took people to come around on that guy. It was painfully obvious he was doping. A lot. A really long time ago.


I know man. I get it. I should have known. I take the blame for believing in him. It sucks that it really has affected me as I look at other athletes. Anyway, Eff that guy, let's get him out of this conversation.
 
2013-07-29 06:24:56 PM  

JohnBigBootay: This Looks Fun: Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.

For the life of me I cannot understand how long it took people to come around on that guy. It was painfully obvious he was doping. A lot. A really long time ago.


He was the American hero beating the Europeans at "their" sport, and OCC built a motorbike for him.
 
2013-07-29 06:24:58 PM  

This Looks Fun: I know man. I get it. I should have known. I take the blame for believing in him. It sucks that it really has affected me as I look at other athletes. Anyway, Eff that guy, let's get him out of this conversation.


Fair enough.

You know what's surprisingly fun to watch? Goddam running. Ten years ago I thought it was the most boring thing on earth. I still don't know a damn thing about it but I'm absolutely glued to the set when it's on. Haven't watched a baseball game start to finish in years. Gave up on the NBA a decade ago. But I find myself scouring the web for good track and field to watch...

/I do still loves me some football though
 
2013-07-29 06:35:52 PM  

JohnBigBootay: This Looks Fun: I know man. I get it. I should have known. I take the blame for believing in him. It sucks that it really has affected me as I look at other athletes. Anyway, Eff that guy, let's get him out of this conversation.

Fair enough.

You know what's surprisingly fun to watch? Goddam running. Ten years ago I thought it was the most boring thing on earth. I still don't know a damn thing about it but I'm absolutely glued to the set when it's on. Haven't watched a baseball game start to finish in years. Gave up on the NBA a decade ago. But I find myself scouring the web for good track and field to watch...

/I do still loves me some football though


For my money, it's NFL, NCAA football, Arena Football, CFL, NCAA basketball, Iinternational Soccer, NBA Playoff ball, and then whatever's on that isn't NASCAR. I think I watched 30 seconds of the Olympics. When head injuries kill football permanently, I'm gonna be lost for what to do with my time. Maybe whittling.
 
2013-07-29 06:46:57 PM  

This Looks Fun: For my money, it's NFL, NCAA football, Arena Football, CFL, NCAA basketball, Iinternational Soccer, NBA Playoff ball, and then whatever's on that isn't NASCAR. I think I watched 30 seconds of the Olympics. When head injuries kill football permanently, I'm gonna be lost for what to do with my time. Maybe whittling.


Weird how tastes evolve. I spent every second as a youth playing sports and going to sports or wishing I could go to sports. Now I routinely turn down absolutely free baseball tickets but I'd probably spring for $500 to get a good seat at a major track and field meet.
 
2013-07-29 06:56:41 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: .Norfolking Chance: desertgeek: bacongood: //the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it

I don't know if I'd call it the greatest race of those Olympics. Lightning quick, but Rudisha blew them all away. Here's the proof.

/If you know what to look for, you can find the raw world feeds and highlight videos from London 2012 on Youtube

I would call it the greatest race in the athletics at least. The brit ran a time that would of got him a gold in Beijing but it got him last in that race.

3 of the top 10 times in history in the 800 final.  As a former 800/1500/300 guy it was ridiculous to watch.  There were NO bad performances from any of the runners.  Usually you'll see one or two guys just fall off the pace completely at 650 or so.


I think the rounds went really smoothly so nobody was near up. And everyone knew the pace was going to be hot from the start.
 
2013-07-29 07:07:39 PM  
Anyone else remember Dovonan Baily vs Michael Johnson at 150m? I Remember watching it live. To this day, I still think Johnson faked the injury.
 
2013-07-29 07:07:53 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: bacongood: /we could toss in Rudisha and just make everything pointless.
//the 800m finals in London was the greatest race of the Olympics and nobody talks about it

I don't know where I was for that race - but I looked up Rudisha's 400m time - 45.13 (wiki - who knows if it was fully automated timing or whatever).  The exact middle between his 400 PR and his 1:40.91 800m WR is 1:13.02.  (or am I f'ing up my math again?)
Adjust down for the shorter distance, and you're damn right it'd be pointless.  The 1:12.81 would be in danger.


He ran a 1:14.30 for his first 600 at the Olympics and I would be surprised if he would match that for some charity race. If it was an Olympic final, that is a different story.
 
2013-07-29 07:08:59 PM  

JohnBigBootay: This Looks Fun: For my money, it's NFL, NCAA football, Arena Football, CFL, NCAA basketball, Iinternational Soccer, NBA Playoff ball, and then whatever's on that isn't NASCAR. I think I watched 30 seconds of the Olympics. When head injuries kill football permanently, I'm gonna be lost for what to do with my time. Maybe whittling.

Weird how tastes evolve. I spent every second as a youth playing sports and going to sports or wishing I could go to sports. Now I routinely turn down absolutely free baseball tickets but I'd probably spring for $500 to get a good seat at a major track and field meet.


As a former competitve runner, I salute you. There is something intriguing about watching person push their body to the limit for as long as they're mind can hold on. Give me a good 1500/3000/5000 to watch and Im right as rain. Though if the Ravens are playing, I might switch back and forth.
 
2013-07-29 10:46:32 PM  
I always wanted to see Michael Johnson run the 800m.
 
2013-07-30 03:18:34 AM  
I can't keep up with the running world.  Are these the only 2 professional runners who haven't been caught using Performance Enhancing Drugs?
 
2013-07-30 10:42:14 AM  

This Looks Fun: Jesus, has something like that ever happened in 4 years? That seems... impossible. Sigh... Lance Armstrong ruined my belief in athletics.


It's really more that Beijing was slow.  Sebastian Coe ran 1:41.73 in 1981.  The Olympics are almost always slow in the distance events because there are no rabbits to set the pace early so most races have a slow start and fast finish, which leads to slower total times.  Also the air in Beijing was bad.  It just makes Rudisha's run all the more impressive.  He basically dragged the rest of the field along with him because they knew they'd have no chance of catching him at the end if they didn't hang with him from the start.
 
2013-07-30 02:47:38 PM  

you have pee hands: It just makes Rudisha's run all the more impressive.  He basically dragged the rest of the field along with him because they knew they'd have no chance of catching him at the end if they didn't hang with him from the start.


Ah. I see. That IS pretty cool.
 
2013-07-30 02:58:14 PM  
I love watching the Olympics....all of it.  Just an outstanding display of ability and the whole competitiveness of it all makes it the best sports to watch on TV.  Period.  When I was deployed last year, it was certainly a highlight of the time in the Afghan desert.  We had Brits, Danes, Estonians, Australians all watching that stuff and it was great to stay up real late to catch whatever we could.

Can't wait till Winter Olympics.
 
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