SilentStrider: *sigh*Stop with this busted talking point submitter.You're only demonstrating you fail at history.
Zeb Hesselgresser: Sure. Lot's of twisted movements have noble roots.
BunkyBrewman: Farking history.Why can't we just ignore the parts that we don't like?
FarkedOver: Didn't St. Reagan say the Taliban were the equivalents of America's founding fathers as well?
LordZorch: Quite honestly, the French dug that hole all by themselves.Anyway, my thoughts on that war are summed up with "Fighting for somebody else's freedom is like farking for somebody else's virginity"
Jake Havechek: What Obama said is literally a historical fact.In other news, in addition to being a war criminal, Allen West is a real dumb motherfarker.
FarkedOver: FarkedOver: Didn't St. Reagan say the Taliban were the equivalents of America's founding fathers as well?Ahhh yes here it is:[www.legitgov.org image 485x237]
vartian: In September 1945, Ho Chi Minh delivered the Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in Hanoi to a crowd of nearly a million Vietnamese. Not only was the The Star-Spangled Banner" played by a Vietnamese band during his address, but he opens his speech by quoting Thomas Jefferson.That must have been surreal.
thurstonxhowell: Obama should apologize for stating a fact. - Allen West
nmrsnr: Just because he was inspired by a certain thinker or concept doesn't mean that in execution their rule had any relationship at all with the philosophies they claimed kinship with.
nmrsnr: In ::shudder:: defense of Allen West, the comparison is not entirely unlike the argument in "Liberal Fascism" where Hitler was a liberal because both he and liberals were vegetarian. Just because he was inspired by a certain thinker or concept doesn't mean that in execution their rule had any relationship at all with the philosophies they claimed kinship with.If it's ridiculous for Jonah Goldberg to claim Hitler liberal for nominally espousing liberal philosophers (which it is), it is equally ridiculous for Obama to claim Ho Chi Minh democratic or Western by saying he was inspired by Jefferson. Now, Obama didn't explicitly say the Ho Chi Minh was democratic or Western, but why else bring the point up?
Aristocles: Wait until Allen West and right-leaning editorialists discover that Karl Marx was a supporter of Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.It would be worse if Lincoln and Grant were supporters of/inspired by Marx, like Obama.
Rapmaster2000: \Aristocles: Wait until Allen West and right-leaning editorialists discover that Karl Marx was a supporter of Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.It would be worse if Lincoln and Grant were supporters of/inspired by Marx, like Obama.More like Fartbama, amirite?
thurstonxhowell: That quote is Reagan speaking about the Nicaraguan contras. I'm not sure who those people are, but the Taliban didn't exist during his presidency.
Alphax: Allen West is not smarter than a 5th grader. We knew that already.
sinanju: I just got back from Hanoi, so getting a kick and all that.The most interesting part of the Uncle Ho story is how it all could have been headed off:Following World War I, the group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the Versailles peace talks, but was ignored. Citing the language and the spirit of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, they expected U.S. President Woodrow Wilson to help remove the French colonial rule from Vietnam and ensure the formation of a new, nationalist government. Although they were unable to obtain consideration at Versailles, the failure further radicalized Nguyễn, while also making him a symbol of the anti-colonial movement at home in Vietnam.
nmrsnr: why else bring the point up?
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