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2013-07-29 12:13:13 PM  
Something, something, hardware lasts longer, enthusiasts, gamers, something, something...
 
2013-07-29 12:18:28 PM  
THE DEAHT OF THE PC!1!
 
2013-07-29 12:18:30 PM  
...Why not have both?
 
2013-07-29 12:19:45 PM  
Blah, blah, mouse, keyboard, tactile contol, blah, blah.
 
2013-07-29 12:19:55 PM  
My $40 tablet is due to arrive today. I'm going to throw away all my computers tomorrow.
 
2013-07-29 12:23:04 PM  
Whatever, tablet games suck, consoles by-and-large suck.   PC gamers have been dealing with being a fractional market for years anyways.
 
2013-07-29 12:25:48 PM  

sxacho: My $40 tablet is due to arrive today. I'm going to throw away all my computers tomorrow.


Don't forget to throw out your T.V., too, since you will soon be able to stream movies directly to your tablet!
 
2013-07-29 12:25:51 PM  

Telak: ...Why not have both?


My mom couldn't work a comp to save her ass but she loves that stupid little tablet me and my sister got her. :)
 
2013-07-29 12:26:23 PM  
I'm thinking of getting a nexus 7 (because my hacked nook is feeling kinda slow these days) ... but I'm also speccing out the parts to roll my own NAS.

// can you do RAID on a tablet?

// can you store 1+ TB of data on a tablet?
 
2013-07-29 12:27:54 PM  
Call me when tablets can make Crysis.  Or a Pixar movie.  They may not be the consumer giant they once were but there will always be a need for powerful desktop PCs.

Well.  Until Tablets get that powerful.  Or our clear flexible watch computers that can project displays and keyboards can do it.

Or brain computers that turn our thoughts into binary code allowing us to create designs from pure imagination.
 
2013-07-29 12:29:07 PM  

lordargent: // can you store 1+ TB of data on a tablet?


Just stream that content from a cloud! With tablets, you don't need to physically store all that data on the device!
 
2013-07-29 12:29:42 PM  
Every piece of "journalism" I see on this topic is woefully inept.

There is no evidence that tablets are widely supplanting PC's. It's all entirely speculation. A few weeks ago some assmonkey tried to demonstrate the PC's diminishing market share by comparing it to all mobile devices, even phones. Yes, phones. Because we all know that people think to themselves, "Hmm, I'll just by a new phone instead of a computer because it can do everything just as easily as the computer can!"

Anyway, if you RTFA, you might have noticed one tiny paragraph where they call out the theory that the replacement cycle on PC's has been pushed (and in the same lusty breath they try to blame it on consumers spending money on tablets and holding off on new PC purchases, because like, narrative and stuff).

How about this for an alternative hypothesis - There is no reason for the vast majority of people to replace a PC bought in 2010 with a new one in 2013 because it's fundementally not better in any way that they can appreciate.

What do I have to back that up? Absolutely nothing! So I think that puts me on par with the "tablets are killing the PC" crowd.
 
2013-07-29 12:29:46 PM  
It's an unfortunate maxim in today's world that if you're not growing, you're dying.  The PC is a mature market, and tablets are a growth market, so every day, a pundit with nothing better to say is going to go "OMG!  Tablets are killing computers!"

No.  No, they're not.  And until they are full-on general purpose computers that can offer a variety of ways to work, they won't.  There are just too many tasks that are difficult-to-impossible on a 10 inch screen.
 
2013-07-29 12:31:10 PM  

dehehn: Call me when tablets can make Crysis.  Or a Pixar movie.  They may not be the consumer giant they once were but there will always be a need for powerful desktop PCs.

Well.  Until Tablets get that powerful.  Or our clear flexible watch computers that can project displays and keyboards can do it.

Or brain computers that turn our thoughts into binary code allowing us to create designs from pure imagination.


Funny thing is, Microsoft's tablets are probably the most capable of doing things like that.
 
2013-07-29 12:32:25 PM  
dehehn: Well. Until Tablets get that powerful.

When tablets get that powerful, you know what people will do ... hook a keyboard and mouse up to them.

Then what you essentially have is an all in one PC in a very small form factor that has a touch screen and is portable.

// and a second (third/fourth/fifth/sixth/seventh/eight) screen that has essentially the same form factor as the tablet (sans all of the processing/storage stuff), because anyone who does that kind of work is unlikely to have just a single screen.
 
2013-07-29 12:32:25 PM  

A Terrible Human: Telak: ...Why not have both?

My mom couldn't work a comp to save her ass but she loves that stupid little tablet me and my sister got her. :)


Tablets will replace PCs for the casual user. I don't see it happening for the power user/gamer.
 
2013-07-29 12:35:32 PM  
I've said it before, I will say it again, and I will continue to say it until I am proven wrong:

Unless you are using a pre-configured application that has an interface designed for use on a tablet, I firmly believe that very little in the way of actual, real, day to day work can happen on a tablet.

There will always be a need for fast typing which simply cannot happen on a tablet.  And don't you say that you can add a cover that has a keyboard, that's not really the what I am talking about here...

Tablets serve great purposes, in my opinion...damn great in the medical field, or survey and poll taking.  But beyond that, yeah...making a full on PowerPoint can be done in a about 1/4 of the time on a PC vs a tablet.
 
2013-07-29 12:39:19 PM  
This shiat again?
 
2013-07-29 12:41:27 PM  

lordargent: dehehn: Well. Until Tablets get that powerful.

When tablets get that powerful, you know what people will do ... hook a keyboard and mouse up to them.

Then what you essentially have is an all in one PC in a very small form factor that has a touch screen and is portable.

// and a second (third/fourth/fifth/sixth/seventh/eight) screen that has essentially the same form factor as the tablet (sans all of the processing/storage stuff), because anyone who does that kind of work is unlikely to have just a single screen.


My FIL and I were talking last week about what will become of the modern PC as time goes on.  His speculation is that our cell phones will become as powerful as a modern $2500 Mac/PC today.  Basically your PC will go with you.  So you will have your everyday phone interface, but the second you plug it into a docking station of sorts with a full sized keyboard, mouse, dual monitors, etc, it will pop your full Windows or Apple OS onto those screens.

Let us also not forget the commoditization of "the cloud" and virtual desktops.  I can foresee some company marketing virtual desktops as an alternative to upgrading ones hardware.  Though I think that overall, the nations fiber internet infrastructure needs to improve vastly before something like that can happen.
 
2013-07-29 12:41:49 PM  
Answers for the analysts who seem to be too stupid to figure this out:

Joe has $500 to spend on a new computing device, but he really wants a tablet because he hasn't had one yet and they look pretty nifty, while he already has a working PC.

Joe looks at his current PC which he bought five years ago. It still works. It still surfs the Internet. It still lets him use MS Office and do work. It still lets him surf for porn. It still plays most of the games he cares about. It still plays his MP3s. It still runs iTunes or Media Monkey. It still rips DVDs and lets him get his emails.

Joe looks at PCs in the store. They surf the Internet. They run MS Office. They have room for lots of porn. They play games. They play MP3s. They run iTunes or Media Monkey. They rip DVDs.They get emails. The don't seem to do any of these things any better than his old PC. They look cool, and they have new bells and whistles, but Joe thinks: "How much will any of these neat cosmetic and minor functional changes in the new PC affect my work or play?"

The answer he comes up with is: "hardly at all."

Joe decides he doesn't need a whole new PC because his old one still does pretty much everything he wanted it to do. If he needs more space, he buys a new USB hard drive. If he wants Blu-ray, he'll buy a new optical drive. But he doesn't need any of that stuff right now because it's all still working just fine for what Joe does.

Joe buys the tablet. It looks fun. He can goof around on it, play new games that aren't on his PC, carry it to the deck and read a book on it, and stuff it in a briefcase when he has to go out of town. If he needs a keyboard, he'll buy a Bluetooth keyboard for $99 or less. It's lightweight, fun, and simple to use. Joe likes it.

When Joe has serious work to do, he goes back to his PC. It still works fine.

The next time Joe has $500 to spare, he'll get another tablet for his wife/kids/mom/dad because they have seen his and now they want one too. He'll put off that new PC until something happens to make his old PC not useful anymore.


lordargent: // can you store 1+ TB of data on a tablet?


Well, on some Android tablets you can connect an external hard drive and it works pretty well.

I suspect eventually we'll be seeing 1TB tablets, though. It's kind of inevitable.
 
2013-07-29 12:41:57 PM  

styckx: This shiat again?


I see this has been covered. Carry on.
 
2013-07-29 12:44:02 PM  
Err... WTF?!

"Automobile industry fights to stay alive as go-cart industry muscles in..." headlines make no sense to people who've used both.
 
2013-07-29 12:47:11 PM  

Endive Wombat: My FIL and I were talking last week about what will become of the modern PC as time goes on. His speculation is that our cell phones will become as powerful as a modern $2500 Mac/PC today.


Of course they will.  But by the time they do, the $2500 Mac/PC will be many times more powerful than that.

My smartphone beats the pants off of every computer I used for roughly the first 25 years of my life.  That doesn't mean it can serve all the needs I have of a computer today.
 
2013-07-29 12:51:05 PM  
The thing with tablets is, if all your are is a content consumer, who rarely needs to write anything more then an email or the occasional paper, they are pretty much perfect for the price.

My mom bought one to replace her netbook for school use, and absolutely loves it.  She rarely gets on her PC these days, save to do some school stuff.  I'd think many folks are in the same mindset.
 
2013-07-29 12:53:51 PM  

Endive Wombat: lordargent: dehehn: Well. Until Tablets get that powerful.

When tablets get that powerful, you know what people will do ... hook a keyboard and mouse up to them.

Then what you essentially have is an all in one PC in a very small form factor that has a touch screen and is portable.

// and a second (third/fourth/fifth/sixth/seventh/eight) screen that has essentially the same form factor as the tablet (sans all of the processing/storage stuff), because anyone who does that kind of work is unlikely to have just a single screen.

My FIL and I were talking last week about what will become of the modern PC as time goes on.  His speculation is that our cell phones will become as powerful as a modern $2500 Mac/PC today.  Basically your PC will go with you.  So you will have your everyday phone interface, but the second you plug it into a docking station of sorts with a full sized keyboard, mouse, dual monitors, etc, it will pop your full Windows or Apple OS onto those screens.

Let us also not forget the commoditization of "the cloud" and virtual desktops.  I can foresee some company marketing virtual desktops as an alternative to upgrading ones hardware.  Though I think that overall, the nations fiber internet infrastructure needs to improve vastly before something like that can happen.


Hah!  I picked up a tablet recently to play with (Windows 8) and, after using it for the weekend, had the exact same thought process, how easy it would be to convert some of the machines I currently have at work to simple and small docking stations where the user would just carry their tablet or phone around and plug it wherever they need to be working.  Then I played around with Splashtop and started streaming some games from my beefy gaming rig and realized that workplaces that required some heavy processing power, could do the same thing via cloud computing over the network.

Planning on converting my dad from his big heavy laptop to a tablet with docking stations this Christmas I think as it's getting harder for him to carry that much weight around though he'll never admit it, and the line of tablets available then will be more powerful than his current machine.
 
2013-07-29 12:57:12 PM  

Endive Wombat: lordargent: dehehn: Well. Until Tablets get that powerful.

When tablets get that powerful, you know what people will do ... hook a keyboard and mouse up to them.

Then what you essentially have is an all in one PC in a very small form factor that has a touch screen and is portable.

// and a second (third/fourth/fifth/sixth/seventh/eight) screen that has essentially the same form factor as the tablet (sans all of the processing/storage stuff), because anyone who does that kind of work is unlikely to have just a single screen.

My FIL and I were talking last week about what will become of the modern PC as time goes on.  His speculation is that our cell phones will become as powerful as a modern $2500 Mac/PC today.  Basically your PC will go with you.  So you will have your everyday phone interface, but the second you plug it into a docking station of sorts with a full sized keyboard, mouse, dual monitors, etc, it will pop your full Windows or Apple OS onto those screens.

Let us also not forget the commoditization of "the cloud" and virtual desktops.  I can foresee some company marketing virtual desktops as an alternative to upgrading ones hardware.  Though I think that overall, the nations fiber internet infrastructure needs to improve vastly before something like that can happen.


Yeah that sounds about right.  You can carry your computer with you from work to home and instead of plugging it into your computer to charge it is your computer.  And then like you said most of your data will be online somewhere, with only your applications being installed on your phone.  I'd say we can be there in 10 years tops.
 
2013-07-29 12:58:24 PM  
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2013-07-29 12:58:34 PM  

LuRkeR25: Something, something, hardware lasts longer, enthusiasts, gamers, something, something...


You're forgetting business. No serious businesses will ever convert to tablets, and business computing is a huge market.
 
2013-07-29 01:05:52 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Answers for the analysts who seem to be too stupid to figure this out:

Joe has $500 to spend on a new computing device, but he really wants a tablet because he hasn't had one yet and they look pretty nifty, while he already has a working PC.

Joe looks at his current PC which he bought five years ago. It still works. It still surfs the Internet. It still lets him use MS Office and do work. It still lets him surf for porn. It still plays most of the games he cares about. It still plays his MP3s. It still runs iTunes or Media Monkey. It still rips DVDs and lets him get his emails.

Joe looks at PCs in the store. They surf the Internet. They run MS Office. They have room for lots of porn. They play games. They play MP3s. They run iTunes or Media Monkey. They rip DVDs.They get emails. The don't seem to do any of these things any better than his old PC. They look cool, and they have new bells and whistles, but Joe thinks: "How much will any of these neat cosmetic and minor functional changes in the new PC affect my work or play?"

The answer he comes up with is: "hardly at all."

Joe decides he doesn't need a whole new PC because his old one still does pretty much everything he wanted it to do. If he needs more space, he buys a new USB hard drive. If he wants Blu-ray, he'll buy a new optical drive. But he doesn't need any of that stuff right now because it's all still working just fine for what Joe does.

Joe buys the tablet. It looks fun. He can goof around on it, play new games that aren't on his PC, carry it to the deck and read a book on it, and stuff it in a briefcase when he has to go out of town. If he needs a keyboard, he'll buy a Bluetooth keyboard for $99 or less. It's lightweight, fun, and simple to use. Joe likes it.

When Joe has serious work to do, he goes back to his PC. It still works fine.

The next time Joe has $500 to spare, he'll get another tablet for his wife/kids/mom/dad because they have seen his and now they want one too. He'll put off that new ...


Uh oh, Joe is in a pickle.  It's now 2015 and some of the things his PC were doing fine are no longer as fast or even working.  The tech has worn out in some places and become obsolete in others.  Now he has all these tablets that do a small fraction of what the PC did.

Joe digs deep finds more cash (or plasma) and uses the tablet to find a new PC/Build.  Thus the circle of life is complete....
 
2013-07-29 01:17:50 PM  

kicksmile: Uh oh, Joe is in a pickle.  It's now 2015 and some of the things his PC were doing fine are no longer as fast or even working.  The tech has worn out in some places and become obsolete in others.  Now he has all these tablets that do a small fraction of what the PC did.

Joe digs deep finds more cash (or plasma) and uses the tablet to find a new PC/Build.  Thus the circle of life is complete....


Name things that the average user needs more memory, speed, or better graphics for if they bought their PC within the past five years.

I can't think of anything. If they're not hardcore gamers, video editors, programmers, or graphics designers, there's literally nothing out there that pushes the boundaries of a 1995 CPU with 4GB of RAM running Windows 7.

Heck, there are plenty of people running Windows Vista or XP and getting along just fine.

If anything wears out on the PC he bought five years ago, he just replaces that part. Computers are modular and parts are basically interchangeable, so Joe's local PC repair shop (or buddy in the IT department) can swap out broken/worn out parts pretty cheaply.

Honestly, there's nothing obsolete about a five-year-old PC. And I doubt they'll be any more obsolete in another 2 years. We've hit a peak, and it's not like it was in the 80s or 90s when each year's model was necessary to run the newest software. There are very few concerns over minimum requirements these days. If you bought your PC in the 2000s, it's probably still decent enough to do what you need if you're not a pro.

And if you bought it in the 2010s, you won't need a new one for quite a while.
 
2013-07-29 01:19:26 PM  

ZeroCorpse: kicksmile: Uh oh, Joe is in a pickle.  It's now 2015 and some of the things his PC were doing fine are no longer as fast or even working.  The tech has worn out in some places and become obsolete in others.  Now he has all these tablets that do a small fraction of what the PC did.

Joe digs deep finds more cash (or plasma) and uses the tablet to find a new PC/Build.  Thus the circle of life is complete....

Name things that the average user needs more memory, speed, or better graphics for if they bought their PC within the past five years.

I can't think of anything. If they're not hardcore gamers, video editors, programmers, or graphics designers, there's literally nothing out there that pushes the boundaries of a 1995 CPU with 4GB of RAM running Windows 7.

Heck, there are plenty of people running Windows Vista or XP and getting along just fine.

If anything wears out on the PC he bought five years ago, he just replaces that part. Computers are modular and parts are basically interchangeable, so Joe's local PC repair shop (or buddy in the IT department) can swap out broken/worn out parts pretty cheaply.

Honestly, there's nothing obsolete about a five-year-old PC. And I doubt they'll be any more obsolete in another 2 years. We've hit a peak, and it's not like it was in the 80s or 90s when each year's model was necessary to run the newest software. There are very few concerns over minimum requirements these days. If you bought your PC in the 2000s, it's probably still decent enough to do what you need if you're not a pro.

And if you bought it in the 2010s, you won't need a new one for quite a while.



OOPS!  That's meant to be  2005, not 1995.
 
2013-07-29 01:24:26 PM  
Call me when tablets can do things at least half as effectively as a pc can.
 
2013-07-29 01:25:49 PM  
Oh, look. It's "That Article". Must be a day ending in the letter "Y".
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-29 01:30:54 PM  

ZeroCorpse: OOPS! That's meant to be 2005, not 1995.


I was gonna say...

You're right though.  Hell, I use a Windows Vista PC (don't judge me, it was free), and my parents still use Dell PCs with XP.  I am going out to SoCal this Fall to see the parents and help them buy new PCs with Windows 7.  They will not need to upgrade again for YEARS.  I am going to make sure the new computers have a ton of RAM, storage, a decent graphics card and processor.  I really do not see my 63 year old father and 59 year old mother becoming hardcore gamers in the next few years, so yeah...a sub $1000 PC will do just fine for their needs...hell...I would wager 90% of people's needs...
 
2013-07-29 01:31:22 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: No serious businesses will ever convert to tablets


They're fantastic for restaurants and small retail operations. One of my customers decided to buy Surface Pros instead of $1000 touchscreen POS units for their restaurants. The price was about the same and the software works the same way, but the hardware in the Surface Pros, particularly for the displays, was way better.

No, that's not quite the same as a move to iOS or Android, but I've been in plenty of little boutiques that run everything off a mobile device and one of those little Square cardswipe terminals.
 
2013-07-29 01:33:02 PM  

TwistedFark: How about this for an alternative hypothesis - There is no reason for the vast majority of people to replace a PC bought in 2010 with a new one in 2013 because it's fundementally not better in any way that they can appreciate.

What do I have to back that up? Absolutely nothing! So I think that puts me on par with the "tablets are killing the PC" crowd.


actually, Intel, Nvidia and AMD have all been relatively stagnant in hardware development in the last 4 years. They keep rolling out new generations, but it's more or less the same old tech, just squeezed a few new bits out of it or switched how they deal with the instructions better.

Speculation: The 5 years prior, you saw a massive massive scale down in die size, going from 90nm in 2006-7 to the current 20nm (I believe it's 20) in 2011ish. (my timeline may be a tad off, but it's been a rather rapid development). I think they've finally discovered that physical wall where they can only go so far before you start dealing with quantum mechanics. 10nm is about as small as you can get before you start running into quantum uncertainty problems. What you'll more likely see is a push toward 3D transistors and greater and greater transistor density while also still keeping power consumption and heat down.

Right now, we're looking at boons in the storage development with massive gains in SSDs that parallels the boon in mechanical drive storage we saw in the 90s.

all that said, yes, PCs will never go away and as long as there is always gaming, there will always be PCs, especially if Microsoft and Sony keep their consoles closed systems and make it impossible to mod games. PCs (especially through Valve's Steam) have not only opened the doors to modding tools, some of the greatest indie games in the last couple of years started out as mods and most are built using open sourced SDKs (such as the various Source-based games....even if HAMMER is a biatch)

/subby
 
2013-07-29 01:36:21 PM  

Hebalo: A Terrible Human: Telak: ...Why not have both?

My mom couldn't work a comp to save her ass but she loves that stupid little tablet me and my sister got her. :)

Tablets will replace PCs for the casual user. I don't see it happening for the power user/gamer.


I know,my only motivation for getting a new pc was The Sims 3 and TF2 and my old pc being on its last legs. I don't have a reason to mess with a tablet cause my pc does everything I want and more but hey getting my mom into technology is awesome. Now my fiance wants a tablet too. XD
 
2013-07-29 01:44:12 PM  
Call me when my company switches its 200k+ PCs to tablets.
 
2013-07-29 01:52:28 PM  
Tablets are the new fad.  They will continue to be the new fad until, like PCs, they plateau on capabilities.  By then I'd expect it will be "glass" systems that are the new thing.  Wear them everywhere, etc., especially if Apple puts out iGlasses (really, the ads write themselves, don't they?).  Then tablets will suddenly be the things gathering dust.

Thing is, people will still go to the PC and do the stuff they need to do there while the tablets sit, turned on once in a while to check some game and then quickly shut down again, because glass based games will be the new thing.

Speaking of, if someone can make a "ninja running beside your car" game/app for glass, I'll buy one of those motherfarkers on day one.
 
2013-07-29 01:53:39 PM  
I'd kill myself if I had to do my job on a tablet. Operating the touchscreen terminals physically at the equipment I work on are a pain in the ass and I much prefer just logging in with my work laptop to operate it.
 
2013-07-29 01:54:50 PM  
I see three reasons why PCs are in decline. Windows 8, Windows 8 and Windows 8.
 
2013-07-29 01:54:57 PM  

Detinwolf: Call me when my company switches its 200k+ PCs to tablets.


My company is trying to push this.  They are switching to thin clients for desktops and "BYOD" (bring your own device) as much as possible, with a virtual desktop.  Some folks have switched.  Anyone who actually has to do real work (i.e., database stuff, coding, etc) still uses a laptop and docking station.
 
2013-07-29 02:01:28 PM  

ikanreed: Whatever, tablet games suck, consoles by-and-large suck.   PC gamers have been dealing with being a fractional market for years anyways.


Waiting for the "glorius PC master gaming race" image....

uncoveror: I see three reasons why PCs are in decline. Windows 8, Windows 8 and Windows 8.


If you're buying the store PCs yeah.  If you're custom making your own, then you've got the option of either Win 8 or the 3 Win 7 versions.
 
2013-07-29 02:01:40 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: LuRkeR25: Something, something, hardware lasts longer, enthusiasts, gamers, something, something...

You're forgetting business. No serious businesses will ever convert to tablets, and business computing is a huge market.


Any business that depends on mobility will seriously consider it. Large offices where people sit at desks all day every day? No, a desktop will always be cheaper and a tablet of no benefit.

But a mobile employee, hell yes. You get a tablet with docking station at work. My office already has that with laptops because it values mobility more than the extra cost of a laptop (and the security of employees not using their personal computers for work done at home).

It will take time, but it will happen. You already see plenty of sales people and others who spend most of their time on the move making extensive use of tablets. And the Razer Edge shows that the technology is there to make a tablet that can perform as well as a decent PC (yes, it can play Crysis), just give it a few years for prices to come down.
 
2013-07-29 02:02:51 PM  

uncoveror: I see three reasons why PCs are in decline. Windows 8, Windows 8 and Windows 8.


You might get some bites with this one.
 
2013-07-29 02:03:29 PM  
Endive Wombat: My FIL and I were talking last week about what will become of the modern PC as time goes on. His speculation is that our cell phones will become as powerful as a modern $2500 Mac/PC today. Basically your PC will go with you. So you will have your everyday phone interface, but the second you plug it into a docking station of sorts with a full sized keyboard, mouse, dual monitors, etc, it will pop your full Windows or Apple OS onto those screens.

Someone already made docks that do that (well, they made it a laptop form factor that the phone plugged into).
// forgot who because the end result of using a phone as a laptop did not result in memorable specs/reviews at the time.
 
2013-07-29 02:03:30 PM  

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Damn, should've scrolled further down...heh.

/ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS PC MASTER RACE~!
 
2013-07-29 02:14:31 PM  
I don't know how we're classifying laptops in this discussion, but as long as kids still have to write lengthy college papers, I see a place in this world for computers with physical keyboards
 
2013-07-29 02:29:59 PM  

LuRkeR25: Something, something, hardware lasts longer, enthusiasts, gamers, something, something...


On that front, the last 2 years have sucked.  Intel is driving so hard for low power and power/watt to try and replace ARM that the high end is feeling neglected, and AMD is sitting over in the corner wearing their dunce hat.

Meanwhile, on the video card side, while we are getting a MASSIVE increase in the amount of power/card, power/$ has actually stayed mostly flat (or in the case of Titan, gone down) over the last year or so because AMD is holding the line with their current cards and Nvidia is cleaning up.

Combine it with the "console problem" (that things built for current-gen consoles tend not to require massive PC's), and everyone holding their breath for the new baseline of next-gen console ports, and even the high-end gamers are pretty content with their current rigs while waiting for a couple years into the next-gen to upgrade.
 
2013-07-29 02:37:44 PM  
PCs aren't going away, but they ARE correcting to a proper alignment with peoples' needs.
 
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