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(CNN)   Experts agree that Spanish train wreck could never happen in the U.S. "I could never imagine such a complicated piece of equipment running in North America"   (cnn.com) divider line 202
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2013-07-29 06:47:24 AM  
American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.
 
2013-07-29 06:52:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.


Too much land with not enough people living in most of it. There's a reason why the Northeast is the only area with any semblance of modern rail infrastructure.
 
2013-07-29 06:53:20 AM  
After spending 3 hours on a Spanish train, I'm fine with the US not adopting the model.
 
2013-07-29 06:54:58 AM  
Speed limits enforced by the agency also keep the trains moving slower than their powerful engines allow, further reducing the risk of an accident.

...damn that agency. DAMN THEM.

Good thing we don't limit the speed of cars and trucks, because otherwise, what use would it be to have a car with more than, say, 40 HP?

That aside, my country has high speed rail and yet it was nothing compared to the Japanese system. If we could get that system of speed, punctuality and how often they drive; it would be a real alternative to car and plane travel.
 
2013-07-29 06:57:08 AM  
Going to be taking Amtrak in November to avoid getting molested by the TSA. Hopefully I'll survive rolling down an embankment.
 
2013-07-29 06:57:21 AM  
Doesnt look like it ran too well in Spain, either.
 
2013-07-29 07:00:28 AM  
"The wheels on this train actually move, so you can imagine the complexity that adds," he said.


Yes, wheels on trains in North America don't actually move.  That is way too complex.
 
2013-07-29 07:01:57 AM  
Its cause we use airliners, mostly.
The layout of the US isn't as conducive to rail as it used to be.
 
2013-07-29 07:02:25 AM  
Most of America is nothingness. I wish we'd have high speed rail everywhere here. It would make any travel between Chicago and the west coast halfway bearable. The flyover states are huge and it takes forever to drive across them. I-80 from Nevada through Illinois is hell.
 
2013-07-29 07:02:36 AM  
They need to install jackass detectors in the train cab.
 
2013-07-29 07:03:29 AM  
I think we need more trains in the US so that blues artists have more stuff to write songs about.
 
2013-07-29 07:04:58 AM  
There's a Spanish train that runs between
Quadalquivir and old Seville
And at dead of night the whistle blows
And people fear she's running still...

And then they hush their children back to sleep
Lock the doors, upstairs they creep
For it is said that the souls of the dead
Fill that train ten thousand deep!!

Well a railwayman lay dying with his people by his side
His family were crying, knelt in prayer before he died
But above his head just awaiting for the dead
Was the Devil with a twinkle in his eye
Well God's not around and look what I've found
this one's mine

Just then the Lord himself appeared in a blinding flash of light
And shouted at the devil Get thee hence to endless night
But the Devil just grinned and said I may have sinned
But there's no need to push me around,
I got him first so you can do your worst
He's going underground

But I think I'll give you one more chance
Said the Devil with a smile
So throw away that stupid lance
It's really not your style
Joker is the name
Poker is the game
We'll play right here on this bed,
And then we'll bet for the biggest stakes yet
The souls of the dead

And I said Look out, Lord, he's going to win,
The sun is down and the night is riding in,
That train is dead on time
many souls are on the line
Oh Lord, he's going to win

Well the railwayman he cut the cards
and he dealt them each a hand of five
And for the Lord he was praying hard
For that train he'd have to drive...
Well the Devil he had three aces and a king
And the Lord he was running for a straight
He had the queen and the knave and the nine and ten of spades
All he needed was the eight

And then the Lord he called for one more card
But he drew the diamond eight
And the Devil said to the son of God
I believe you've got it straight
So deal me one for the time has come
To see who'll be the king of this place
But as he spoke from beneath his cloak
He slipped another ace

Ten thousand souls was the opening bid
And it soon went up to fifty-nine
But the Lord didn't see what the Devil did
and he said that suits me fine
I'll raise you high to hundred and five
And forever put an end to your sins
But the Devil let out a mighty shout, My hand wins

And I said Lord, oh Lord, you let him win
The sun is down and the night is riding in
That train is dead on time, many souls are on the line
Oh Lord, don't let him win...

Well that Spanish train still runs between
Quadalquivir and old Seville
And at dead of night the whistle blows
And people hear she's running still

And far away in some recess
The Lord and the Devil are now playing chess
The Devil still cheats and wins more souls
And as for the Lord, well, he's just doing his best

And I said Lord, oh Lord, you've got to win
The Sun is down and the night is riding in
That train is still on time
Oh my soul is on the line
Oh Lord, you've got to win
 
2013-07-29 07:05:09 AM  
Know what else people can't imagine seeing around?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-29 07:05:46 AM  

flamingboard: Going to be taking Amtrak in November to avoid getting molested by the TSA.

Good luck, you may need it.
 
2013-07-29 07:10:11 AM  

EmmaLou: Most of America is nothingness. I wish we'd have high speed rail everywhere here. It would make any travel between Chicago and the west coast halfway bearable. The flyover states are huge and it takes forever to drive across them. I-80 from Nevada through Illinois is hell.


The only way to do it would be to build it in sections. What I mean is; build an ultra-highspeed rail line from St. Louis to Kansas City, for example. To work; the tickets would need to be cheaper then plane tickets, and we'd need to be able to pay off the investment in a reasonable amount of time.

/ the only way I see it working it to start offering incentives for people or companies to use the rail system, over an plane.
 
2013-07-29 07:10:26 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.


FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."
 
2013-07-29 07:13:22 AM  

EmmaLou: Most of America is nothingness. I wish we'd have high speed rail everywhere here. It would make any travel between Chicago and the west coast halfway bearable. The flyover states are huge and it takes forever to drive across them. I-80 from Nevada through Illinois is hell.


This is the thing most people just don't understand. Andy Rooney did a documentary about 30 years ago, where he traveled the country by helicopter. He was amazed at the amount of empty land we have in America.

Drive across country sometime. From the pennsy border to Denver, it's pretty much a wasteland.

And I like it!
 
2013-07-29 07:15:05 AM  
Yeah, well a HAZMAT train just vaporized 40 people in Canada. So please, keep agreeing on that. Because it CAN happen here.

/was trained by a man that worked the Waverly Explosion in 1978.
//Currently on an ambulance setting outside of DuPont Memphis, where there's enough cyanide to wipe out a large city stockpiled in railcars just setting on the side of the road.
 
2013-07-29 07:15:06 AM  
Plenty of trains in the USA already, free to travel on them too. You just need to be a man not a pussy, get yourself a little hobo napsack and hitch a ride on the roof of a freight train. I can't imagine any of those important suit people doing it but it would work fine for family vacations, especially Thanksgiving.
 
2013-07-29 07:15:46 AM  
Part of the issue is that in Europe they depend upon collision avoidance. In the U.S. it's collision survival. Which explains why trains in the U.S. are such big, bulky things while in Europe they're fairly lightweight.
 
2013-07-29 07:15:47 AM  
"Now that the security at the airports is increased so the bad guys are traveling on trains and buses so we try to deter that," said Robinson.

Well, that certainly begs the question.
 
2013-07-29 07:15:57 AM  
Seems like the train is so complicated not because it is high speed but because Spain's train lines are a giant clusterfark.  Different track widths, different signal systems, different voltages (or no voltage).  shiat, Spain, get it together.
 
2013-07-29 07:18:01 AM  

PandaPorn: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."


They had loco motives, yes?
 
2013-07-29 07:18:24 AM  

Director_Mr: "The wheels on this train actually move, so you can imagine the complexity that adds," he said.


Yes, wheels on trains in North America don't actually move.  That is way too complex.


There's talk of introducing the Spanish round wheel to our trains here. I say, lets test it more.
 
2013-07-29 07:21:20 AM  
After RTFA... that is actually quite a complicated train, from an electrical and mechanical engineering standpoint.
 
2013-07-29 07:21:27 AM  

PandaPorn: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."


Florida, in fact, passed a constitutional amendment FOR high-speed rail.

JEB! just ignored it.
 
2013-07-29 07:22:57 AM  

ghare: JEB! just ignored it.


You can't expect him to reform Florida while on the Mun. Jerk.
 
2013-07-29 07:23:52 AM  
I think it would be harder to derail since all the passengers would most likely be overweight.
 
2013-07-29 07:24:58 AM  

ghare: PandaPorn: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."

Florida, in fact, passed a constitutional amendment FOR high-speed rail.

JEB! just ignored it.


JEB! didn't kill the high-speed rail though. That was a done deal already. That was 100% Tea Party Gov. Rick Scott.
 
2013-07-29 07:26:46 AM  

Dinobot: I think it would be harder to derail since all the passengers would most likely be overweight.


Not sure if serious.
Mass times blubber divided by velocity equals derailment. that's from page one of 'Hard Math For Planning Train Lines'.
 
2013-07-29 07:28:26 AM  

Richard Saunders: PandaPorn: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."

They had loco motives, yes?


* golf clap *
 
2013-07-29 07:30:48 AM  

ghare: PandaPorn: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

FTA: "While the federal government offered money to spearhead high-speed rail efforts in states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and California, Republican governors in Wisconsin and Florida killed the projects."

Florida, in fact, passed a constitutional amendment FOR high-speed rail.

JEB! just ignored it.


So legally it's allowed, but politically it was blocked.
 
2013-07-29 07:36:45 AM  

EmmaLou: The flyover states are huge and it takes forever to drive across them. I-80 from Nevada through Illinois is hell.


Alas, if only there was another form of travel that allows us to bypass the flyover states....
 
2013-07-29 07:40:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.



You forgot.  Liberals can do anything!
 
2013-07-29 07:40:45 AM  

PandaPorn: So legally it's allowed, but politically it was blocked.


Well Florida had managed to secure several billion dollars from the federal government to start it up. The routes were designed (the huge medians on I-4 are designed that way to have a track in the middle of them) and President Obama even came down and cut a ribbon and stuff.

Then Rick Scott was elected governor and the first thing he said was Mr. President, we don't want your billions of federal money from Washington DC, we don't need it.

So those billions were given to other states and Florida was left with nothing. And so began the reign of terror of Gov. Voldemort.
 
2013-07-29 07:41:13 AM  
KITT lied to us!
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-29 07:42:29 AM  

ElLoco: After RTFA... that is actually quite a complicated train, from an electrical and mechanical engineering standpoint.


Sometimes complicated isn't better.

There may be good reasons why the train in Spain is complex like a brain, but needless complexity for it's own sake is a bad thing.  It introduces too many possible points of failure, none of which would necessarily result in a derailment or other accident, but when chained together in complex ways, the results can be unpredictable.  You won't really understand that a particular failure mode is possible when seemingly unrelated parts 2A47J and 84Q3M both fail, and the train hits a corner just a *LITTLE* faster than is safe.  By then, though, it's too late.
 
2013-07-29 07:45:15 AM  

lucksi: That aside, my country has high speed rail and yet it was nothing compared to the Japanese system. If we could get that system of speed, punctuality and how often they drive; it would be a real alternative to car and plane travel.


Yes, but it's undeniable that that happened in Japan. The social strata is totally different.

I think I've said it a few more times lately, but basically: Imagine if Americans didn't hate Americans.
 
2013-07-29 07:47:58 AM  

Confabulat: PandaPorn: So legally it's allowed, but politically it was blocked.

Well Florida had managed to secure several billion dollars from the federal government to start it up. The routes were designed (the huge medians on I-4 are designed that way to have a track in the middle of them) and President Obama even came down and cut a ribbon and stuff.

Then Rick Scott was elected governor and the first thing he said was Mr. President, we don't want your billions of federal money from Washington DC, we don't need it.

So those billions were given to other states and Florida was left with nothing. And so began the reign of terror of Gov. Voldemort.


At least they showed the black guy in the white house what's what.

I realize that not all political parties are perfect (far from it) but as a non-US citizen I sometimes wonder what the hell so many Americans see in the Republican party.
 
2013-07-29 07:49:52 AM  

PandaPorn: I sometimes wonder what the hell so many Americans see in the Republican party.



The chance to hold on to more of their paycheck.
 
2013-07-29 07:51:11 AM  
Headline: American trains are tarded, lol
Article: Spanish rail system is an unstandardized nightmare requiring FrankenTrains driven by people shouting "Sostenga mi cerveza y mire esto!".
 
2013-07-29 07:51:46 AM  

PandaPorn: as a non-US citizen I sometimes wonder what the hell so many Americans see in the Republican party


IIRC, in this case it was that the proposed federal grants would only cover a small portion of the cost of building the railroad, which was not expected to be economically viable on its own.
 
2013-07-29 07:52:53 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: Alas, if only there was another form of travel that allows us to bypass the flyover states....


And thank FSM there is! Last time some Blue City© douche bag came to town, they decided to use the local reservoir as a swimming hole. It took months to get the vinegar taste out of the drinking water.
 
2013-07-29 07:53:43 AM  

PandaPorn: as a non-US citizen I sometimes wonder what the hell so many Americans see in the Republican party.


You don't have to be a non-US citizen to wonder that one.
 
2013-07-29 07:54:05 AM  

Director_Mr: "The wheels on this train actually move, so you can imagine the complexity that adds," he said.

Yes, wheels on trains in North America don't actually move.  That is way too complex.


Not sure if you missed it or just ignoring it, but the quote is referring to how the wheelbase of the train changes to accommodate different track widths, since there is more than one rail gauge in use in Spain.

Having an axle that expands and contracts as it rolls to maintain the proper gauge as the train rolls along would indeed add a lot of complexity.
=Smidge=
 
2013-07-29 07:55:16 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Feel_the_velvet: Alas, if only there was another form of travel that allows us to bypass the flyover states....

And thank FSM there is! Last time some Blue City© douche bag came to town, they decided to use the local reservoir as a swimming hole. It took months to get the vinegar taste out of the drinking water.


Don't worry, we wouldn't expect you to know that a little baking soda would clear that right up.
 
2013-07-29 07:55:43 AM  

chrylis: IIRC, in this case it was that the proposed federal grants would only cover a small portion of the cost of building the railroad, which was not expected to be economically viable on its own.


Nope the federal money would have pretty much covered the building process. And the "not expected to be economically viable on its own" is codespeak for "Republicans would never dream of taking the train, so of course it will fail" (the Republican argument).
 
2013-07-29 08:01:38 AM  

Scythed: AverageAmericanGuy: American rail sucks. It's slow and expensive. There isn't any chance of a high speed rail in this country.

Too much land with not enough people living in most of it. There's a reason why the Northeast is the only area with any semblance of modern rail infrastructure.


================

Same ol' "facts" that Rush "dildo-heads" have pulling out of their asses for years.  According to the US Census Bureau, 80% of Americans live in urban areas...and most of those live along coastal areas.  Yeah, I know, the Census Bureau is a commie organization run by Obama to set up death panels.

As for the Northeast, the population density is as high as most places in Western Europe (New Jersey has a population density equal to that of Bangladesh).  Yet the it's the only place in the US that has "high speed" rail, high speed being 80mph, which would be considered trolley service in Europe.

The reason that the US doesn't have true high speed rail is because Wall St and the banks don't want it.  Wall St gets, what Wall St wants.
 
2013-07-29 08:01:40 AM  

chrylis: PandaPorn: as a non-US citizen I sometimes wonder what the hell so many Americans see in the Republican party

IIRC, in this case it was that the proposed federal grants would only cover a small portion of the cost of building the railroad, which was not expected to be economically viable on its own.


But by whom was it not expected? Sounds like they paid for an estimation that fit their political narrative. Admittedly I don't know enough of the Florida high speed rail, but if it is proven economically viable in Europe and Japan, why not in Florida?
 
2013-07-29 08:02:18 AM  

Basily Gourt: EmmaLou: Most of America is nothingness. I wish we'd have high speed rail everywhere here. It would make any travel between Chicago and the west coast halfway bearable. The flyover states are huge and it takes forever to drive across them. I-80 from Nevada through Illinois is hell.

This is the thing most people just don't understand. Andy Rooney did a documentary about 30 years ago, where he traveled the country by helicopter. He was amazed at the amount of empty land we have in America.

Drive across country sometime. From the pennsy border to Denver, it's pretty much a wasteland.

And I like it!


Sorry, the country is just too darn big is a weak-sauce excuse.

Just because rail travel can't be a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't mean there aren't a LOT of routes and areas where it's a good option.  I don't care if building a high speed train from Bangor, Maine to San Diego, California isn't cost feasible.  That doesn't mean that a lot of regional commuter corridors couldn't be as efficient and cheaper than air travel.
 
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