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2013-07-29 01:02:26 PM
No facebook, no google, no chrome, adblock, noscript, notrack, flashblock.  Bare minimum if you don't want to be an easy mark for spying(whether corporate or government).
 
2013-07-29 01:05:18 PM

ikanreed: No facebook, no google, no chrome, adblock, noscript, notrack, flashblock.  Bare minimum if you don't want to be an easy mark for spying(whether corporate or government).


FTFA:  these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents." "And it's all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst," he added.


How does one listen to an email?

/smartass
 
2013-07-29 01:06:17 PM
I ask again, and will probably be asking forever: Why????
 
2013-07-29 01:09:26 PM
Considering Greenwald's previous interpretations of Snowden's leaks have ranged from gross exaggeration to outright fabrication, I'm a little skeptical.
 
2013-07-29 01:09:42 PM

ikanreed: No facebook, no google, no chrome, adblock, noscript, notrack, flashblock.  Bare minimum if you don't want to be an easy mark for spying(whether corporate or government).


Lies. The only way to be truly safe from the evil government is to fake your death, move to Alaska, and craft your own shack out of felled trees in the middle of the woods.

Or you could live in the real world and accept that not everything you do is covered under blanket privacy.
 
2013-07-29 01:11:40 PM
Browsing histories? Microsoft word documents?

... This, uh. This sounds rather embellished. I mean, if it weren't, there would be a *shiat ton* of corporate espionage going on via this, if it's something all low-level (and apparently not TERRIBLY VETTED, given Snowden) NSA employees have access to.
 
2013-07-29 01:15:20 PM
 
2013-07-29 01:16:32 PM
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2013-07-29 01:17:31 PM

DubtodaIll: I ask again, and will probably be asking forever: Why????


The rich and powerful know what they have done and they are afraid you'll find out and make them pay for it. A guilty conscience will trip you up more than any Sherlock or Columbo ever will.
 
2013-07-29 01:18:16 PM
So, I shouldn't have "Liked" mexicanmidgetsanddonkeys.com? NOW you tell me.
 
2013-07-29 01:20:27 PM
Powerful and Invasive Search Tool Facebook

Yes. Now quit trusting them with your selfmade porn.
 
2013-07-29 01:22:20 PM
Is it really invasive if people put it on the internet?

/don't share your stupid mistakes with the world.
 
2013-07-29 01:22:37 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Considering Greenwald's previous interpretations of Snowden's leaks have ranged from gross exaggeration to outright fabrication, I'm a little skeptical.


With NSA revelations, Sen. Ron Wyden's vague warnings about privacy finally become clear

"I want to deliver a warning this afternoon: When the American people find out how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they will be stunned and they will be angry," Wyden said

I think he overestimates the American people, but I tend to be overly negative.
 
2013-07-29 01:22:40 PM
www.offhumorclub.com
 
2013-07-29 01:23:45 PM

DubtodaIll: I ask again, and will probably be asking forever: Why????


Because it's easier to just grab everything you can and justify it later.  Program managers can tell a good scare story as to how they can uncover "hidden" terror plots if they only have enough data, which means everything.  Plus it justifies asking for more money and resources.
 
2013-07-29 01:26:01 PM
Delete the System32 tracking file from your computer...it's the only way!
 
2013-07-29 01:26:16 PM

neversubmit: ikanreed: No facebook, no google, no chrome, adblock, noscript, notrack, flashblock.  Bare minimum if you don't want to be an easy mark for spying(whether corporate or government).

FTFA:  these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents." "And it's all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst," he added.


How does one listen to an email?

/smartass


http://www.chant.net/Products/SpeechKit/
 
2013-07-29 01:28:07 PM
This is for your own good, citizen. Now, accept it.
 
2013-07-29 01:38:37 PM
What's "Facebook?" Never heard of it.
 
2013-07-29 01:39:36 PM

theBigBigEye: This is for your own good, citizen. Now, accept it.


NO!!1! Acceptance is for the sheeple - I'm gonna rage about it on the Internet!!
 
2013-07-29 01:40:18 PM
I'm all for our government being on the technological edge in terms of military and technology.

What irks me is that there are subcontractors and millions of people out there with security clearance that allows them to be very invasive.  There needs to be a stronger standard for the people who have access to this as well as built in auditing tools to allow for oversight.


We need to control the beast of invasive government spying before we turn into East Germany, with people abusing their access to power to destroy lives without recourse.
 
2013-07-29 01:43:25 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this is all just an elaborate distraction. The more I read, the more it seems right out of some Hollywood movie where they get everything wrong with technology, but it involves some interesting people, so you don't mind so much.

If I understand correctly, the NSA is getting every telephone call, including Skype, vonage, etc, storing it all in a big database, also, they are getting every email sent through a major ISP, and this all goes into some database that virtually any employee/contractor is able to search just because they want to.

It sounds just like when the guy on NCIS "hacks" the CIA firewall to pull up information on some suspect. and he does it in like 20 seconds.
 
2013-07-29 01:43:38 PM
DubtodaIll: "I ask again, and will probably be asking forever: Why????"

Because there's profit in it.
 
2013-07-29 01:44:00 PM

NostroZ: I'm all for our government being on the technological edge in terms of military and technology.

What irks me is that there are subcontractors and millions of people out there with security clearance that allows them to be very invasive.  There needs to be a stronger standard for the people who have access to this as well as built in auditing tools to allow for oversight.


We need to control the beast of invasive government spying before we turn into East Germany, with people abusing their access to power to destroy lives without recourse.



So you're ok with massive amounts of information gathering on the public, you just feel it needs better controls?  The problem with East Germany was not the information gathering, it was who was allowed to access it?
 
2013-07-29 01:47:42 PM
The joke is on them. I only communicate using captioned pictures of owls.
 
2013-07-29 01:48:24 PM
So damn edgy, subby, I can't take it! You're so edgy, I bet your edges have edges.
 
2013-07-29 01:48:34 PM

iheartscotch: The joke is on them. I only communicate using captioned pictures of owls.


Well, except this one time right?
 
2013-07-29 01:52:52 PM

king_nacho: iheartscotch: The joke is on them. I only communicate using captioned pictures of owls.

Well, except this one time right?


it showed up embedded in an Owl picture to me?
 
2013-07-29 01:54:32 PM
Fun fact: much of the sifting is outsourced to Israel, who built the original mass spying network here in the USA. See: AMDOCS.

Enjoy the AIPAC flavored cock choking you America.
 
2013-07-29 01:55:08 PM
FTFA: "There are legal constraints for how you can spy on Americans," Greenwald said. "You can't target them without going to the FISA court. But these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents."

Adding Word is a stretch, Greenwald, unless you're going to specify that these are Word documents that have been emailed or stored in the cloud, in which case...duh.

But without that specification, you're implying that word documents simply stored on your computer are accessible to the NSA, just willy-nilly, which is clearly not the case based on the information thusfar revealed.

And if you do mean Word documents stored on the cloud, should you not also be saying the names of the cloud storage services that are been known to have been compromised?

Apple and Google Drive, obviously. Dropbox and Box, likely. But what about Jottacloud? What about Wuala, which claims to be more secure?
 
2013-07-29 01:55:43 PM

Apik0r0s: Fun fact: much of the sifting is outsourced to Israel, who built the original mass spying network here in the USA. See: AMDOCS.

Enjoy the AIPAC flavored cock choking you America.


Is this a semi-Godwin?
 
2013-07-29 01:56:26 PM

king_nacho: iheartscotch: The joke is on them. I only communicate using captioned pictures of owls.

Well, except this one time right?


I couldn't find an appropriately captioned owl. I would have needed 3 or 4 to get the message across. Someone might think that was a little insane.

/ well, and this time too
 
2013-07-29 01:56:55 PM
Interesting how we have literally no expectation of privacy from the government, but our government, which is SUPPOSED to answer to us, hides a greater amount of information from us than the amount of information it actually declassifies. This is not supposed to happen in a Democracy, nor in a Representational Republic. One would get the idea that the government which is supposed to serve us has turned that standard upon its head, and only sees us as a cash cow to be manipulated, extorted, and exploited in any way it sees fit. This was the foregone conclusion, the very first time that immunity to the laws simply "because we are the Government" was allowed to stand in a courtroom.
 
2013-07-29 01:58:02 PM
People still use Facebook?
 
2013-07-29 02:02:22 PM

BafflerMeal: NostroZ: I'm all for our government being on the technological edge in terms of military and technology.

What irks me is that there are subcontractors and millions of people out there with security clearance that allows them to be very invasive.  There needs to be a stronger standard for the people who have access to this as well as built in auditing tools to allow for oversight.


We need to control the beast of invasive government spying before we turn into East Germany, with people abusing their access to power to destroy lives without recourse.


So you're ok with massive amounts of information gathering on the public, you just feel it needs better controls?  The problem with East Germany was not the information gathering, it was who was allowed to access it?


I believe you missed the BOLDED section that I felt most pertinent to control such a mature beast.

We cannot undo what has been done and other governments are doing this just as much.  What we can control is the people who will use it and how it will be used.
We WANT to protect the country against terrorists by trusted personnel.
We DON'T WANT some low level analysts snooping on their girlfriends, enemies, or pay-for-info private schemes.


I hope you are capable of nuance and can see the world outside of a black/white color scheme.
 
2013-07-29 02:02:35 PM
Well there are people that way over share on Facebook.


TMI just doesn't cover it
 
2013-07-29 02:03:20 PM
Pincy: Old People still use Facebook?

FIXED
 
2013-07-29 02:03:35 PM
But I am a good citizen and have nothing to hide.
 
2013-07-29 02:05:53 PM

Apik0r0s: Fun fact: much of the sifting is outsourced to Israel, who built the original mass spying network here in the USA. See: AMDOCS.

Enjoy the AIPAC flavored cock choking you America.


WTF dude?  AIPAC?

How did you manage to blame the Jews / Israel in this troll?
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You know what... I don't care...  troll along Jew hater... troll along...

The Jews / Israelis did it all... they invented evil... troll along hater.
 
2013-07-29 02:10:00 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Considering Greenwald's previous interpretations of Snowden's leaks have ranged from gross exaggeration to outright fabrication, I'm a little skeptical.


In what way? I've been reading Greenwald since he started his column in the Bush years and I've found that his facts are facts, whatever you might think of his opinions or priorities.
 
2013-07-29 02:13:31 PM
No Donnie, these people are anti-Semites. there's nothing to be afraid of.
 
2013-07-29 02:14:09 PM
Subbie meant low-LIFE.
 
2013-07-29 02:28:41 PM
Greenwald explained that while there are "legal constraints" on surveillance that require approval by the FISA court, these programs still allow analysts to search through data with little court approval or supervision.
So, is the problem that our intelligence agencies have effective tools?  Because it doesn't appear to be because we are circumventing court supervision. Not even Glen Greenwald claiming this, apparently.
 
2013-07-29 02:38:39 PM

Good news everybody. Despite the best efforts of the leadership of both parties, the NSA program heads willingness to outright lie under oath, and President Obama's best efforts, the tide has clearly turned against Orwellian spying on everybody.

Mr. Sensenbrenner, a Republican veteran and one of the primary authors of the post-Sept. 11 Patriot Act, stepped to a microphone on the House floor. Never, he said, did he intend to allow the wholesale vacuuming up of domestic phone records, nor did his legislation envision that data dragnets would go beyond specific targets of terrorism investigations.

"The time has come to stop it, and the way we stop it is to approve this amendment," Mr. Sensenbrenner said.

He had not intended to speak, and when he did, he did not say much, just seven brief sentences.

"I was able to say what needed to be said in a minute," he said Friday.

Lawmakers from both parties said the brief speech was a pivotal moment. When the tally was final, the effort to end the N.S.A.'s programs had fallen short, 205 to 217. Supporters included Republican leaders like Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington and Democratic leaders like Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina. Republican moderates like Mr. Fitzpatrick and Blue Dog Democrats like Representative Kurt Schrader of Oregon joined with respected voices on national security matters like Mr. Sensenbrenner and Ms. Lofgren.

Besides Ms. McMorris Rodgers, Representative Lynn Jenkins of Kansas, another member of the Republican leadership, voted yes. On the Democratic side, the chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, Representative Xavier Becerra of California, and his vice chairman, Representative Joseph Crowley of New York, broke with the top two Democrats, Representatives Nancy Pelosi of California and Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, who pressed hard for no votes.


Contact your member of Congress and let them know you're opposed to living as if the novel 1984 was a goal that should be sought out.

Even Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi is trying to cover her ass now that it's become obvious how much the people oppose warrantless blanket spying on everyone.

On Friday, Ms. Pelosi, the House minority leader and a veteran of the Intelligence Committee, and Mr. Hoyer dashed off a letter to the president warning that even those Democrats who had stayed with him on the issue on Wednesday would be seeking changes.
 
2013-07-29 03:05:58 PM

BullBearMS: Good news everybody.


Actually, that is pretty good news.  It's a little funny that this is all occurring now, perhaps mostly due to a new political alignment where the GOP no longer sees it as essential to support the president lock-step on issues of national security, in conjunction with a news event that re-ignited the debate in the public.

Whatever--I do think we should re-work our legislation on domestic surveillance. Hopefully it gets better, not worse, after the meat grinder of legislation gets to work.
 
2013-07-29 03:25:05 PM

NostroZ: Apik0r0s: Fun fact: much of the sifting is outsourced to Israel, who built the original mass spying network here in the USA. See: AMDOCS.

Enjoy the AIPAC flavored cock choking you America.

WTF dude?  AIPAC?

How did you manage to blame the Jews / Israel in this troll?
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You know what... I don't care...  troll along Jew hater... troll along...

The Jews / Israelis did it all... they invented evil... troll along hater.


My, that escalated quickly. Little defensive, aren't we, Shylock?
 
2013-07-29 03:47:22 PM
You know, what's amusing to me (because I try to be amused by stupidity, it feels better than being depressed) is how people think that only the government has access to their info.

Any corporation the government does business with (or will do business with in the future) could have access. The U.S. govt. already contracts out the "information gathering" business. You think they don't contract out lots of other stuff, too?

Maybe you don't care if some faceless "analyst" at Booz Allen has access to all your "private" shiat. But maybe you'd care if it was your employer. Or some company some ex of yours works for. Have you ever emailed (or gotten an email from) a doctor or some other medical facility? Maybe a shrink? How'd you like your employer to get access to that? Of course, we're all protected by HIPAA, right? So that could never happen.

Right?

I'm not worried so much about the government misusing info about me (although obviously, the potential is there). I'm considerably more worried about corporate America doing it. Because corporate America doesn't give a shiat about privacy, and it's not limited by the few laws that are supposed to be limiting our government.
 
2013-07-29 04:00:17 PM
NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you've entered

That's a lot of boobies.
 
2013-07-29 04:54:31 PM

WTF Indeed: ikanreed: No facebook, no google, no chrome, adblock, noscript, notrack, flashblock.  Bare minimum if you don't want to be an easy mark for spying(whether corporate or government).

Lies. The only way to be truly safe from the evil government is to fake your death, move to Alaska, and craft your own shack out of felled trees in the middle of the woods.

Or you could live in the real world and accept that not everything you do is covered under blanket privacy.


Can we move Alaska to a latitude more like Hawaii first?
 
2013-07-29 04:58:38 PM

jso2897: NostroZ: Apik0r0s: Fun fact: much of the sifting is outsourced to Israel, who built the original mass spying network here in the USA. See: AMDOCS.

Enjoy the AIPAC flavored cock choking you America.

WTF dude?  AIPAC?

How did you manage to blame the Jews / Israel in this troll?
[fc05.deviantart.net image 720x904]


You know what... I don't care...  troll along Jew hater... troll along...

The Jews / Israelis did it all... they invented evil... troll along hater.

My, that escalated quickly. Little defensive, aren't we, Shylock?


Little racist, aren't we, bigot?
 
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