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(Abc.net.au)   Arab Spring II: Electric Boogaloo is heading toward explosive climax with Muslim Brotherhood marching on Egypt's army HQ   (abc.net.au) divider line 118
    More: Followup, Egyptian Army, EU Foreign Policy, Muslim Brotherhood, Arab Spring, Egypt, Brotherhood, Mohamed Morsi, Catherine Ashton  
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2013-07-28 10:53:30 PM  
The headbands are cool.  I'd like political and religious groups here to wear them.
You could go into work and see Beth in operations has a headband tan, but you wouldn't know what group, but you'd guess Unitarian.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:38 PM  
I'm pretty sure what they are looking for is not a climax at all. Explosive or otherwise.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:50 PM  
It's not the Arab spring if wannabe theocrats are attacking a popular, secular, nonpartisan regime.
 
2013-07-28 11:28:27 PM  
Life insurance policies are not really an option here.
 
2013-07-28 11:33:09 PM  
t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-28 11:33:44 PM  
wrong thread again
 
2013-07-28 11:57:46 PM  

HotWingAgenda: It's not the Arab spring if wannabe theocrats are attacking a popular, secular, nonpartisan regime.


Thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-07-29 02:22:23 AM  
"Our blood and souls we sacrifice for Morsi."

Arioch, damn it, Arioch!
 
2013-07-29 02:50:14 AM  
May both of them be completely successful.

/In the zero survivors sense of complete.
 
2013-07-29 02:53:29 AM  
Ozone ....we must evaporate.
Turbo... gone
/who is gonna save Miracles?!
 
2013-07-29 02:55:27 AM  
Let them kill everyone and take the oil after the fact!

/WIN!
 
2013-07-29 02:55:47 AM  
"Our blood and souls we sacrifice for Morsi."

clevermusings.net

RIP Dark Brotherhood
 
2013-07-29 03:00:04 AM  
I say the brotherhood should just go for it. Bring it all. I'm sure it will work out great for them.
 
2013-07-29 03:00:30 AM  

IronTom: wrong thread again


yet, it kinda works...
 
2013-07-29 03:03:47 AM  
Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.
 
2013-07-29 03:03:59 AM  
What a crappy way to run a country. Either let the military run the country or freely elect a President that no one wants to let serve out his term because he's horrible.
 
2013-07-29 03:10:07 AM  
Well do we believe in democracy? I know its loaded. I have no answer. I for one believe in Jermaine Jackson. Call me ridiculous... he is the only one.
 
2013-07-29 03:11:20 AM  

SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.


Remember GoP, your President would fund the other assclowns.
 
2013-07-29 03:13:11 AM  
They are a rambunctious lot over there. What's going to bring an end to it all? Violent conflict for five years until everyone's exhausted?

Or does anyone have the moral authority to knock some heads together and impose a peace?

I assume the army will eventually win, because, well, they have the guns.
 
2013-07-29 03:13:39 AM  
If you provoke a confrontation with the military you're gonna have a bad time.
 
2013-07-29 03:14:32 AM  
Algeria 2 Electric Boogaloo.

/I hope for Egypt's sake I'm wrong
 
2013-07-29 03:15:22 AM  

Daraymann: SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.

Remember GoP, your President would fund the other assclowns.


Cant we fund them both, make adjustments as necessary until there aren't any of these farking pieces of shiat left to fund?
 
2013-07-29 03:18:53 AM  
Yay democracy
 
2013-07-29 03:21:52 AM  
Situations like Egypt make isolationism seem reasonable. Except I know Suez Canal... I have never had less respect for the Egyptian people or society then I do now. They aren't even human to me anymore.
 
2013-07-29 03:22:40 AM  
This can't end w.....no wait. This could end just fine after all!
 
2013-07-29 03:24:20 AM  

Alunan: Situations like Egypt make isolationism seem reasonable. Except I know Suez Canal... I have never had less respect for the Egyptian people or society then I do now. They aren't even human to me anymore.


Because their government is farked up?
 
2013-07-29 03:27:42 AM  

SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.


Rather we've been funding their military since the Camp David Peace Accords. It's a small bribe to pay for safe and expidited passage though the Suez Canal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=US+funds+Egyptian+Army%2BSuez+canal& ie =utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

How's the weather up there in Dumbf*ckistan?
 
2013-07-29 03:36:35 AM  
This should end well.
 
2013-07-29 03:37:47 AM  

SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.


Morsi's Egypt got a very small portion of the aid that Mubarak's Egypt got, and that they got anything at all was entirely due to the fact that Egypt needs to be bribed to enforce Camp David.
 
2013-07-29 03:38:39 AM  

cc_rider: SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.

Rather we've been funding their military since the Camp David Peace Accords. It's a small bribe to pay for safe and expidited passage though the Suez Canal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=US+funds+Egyptian+Army%2BSuez+canal& ie =utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

How's the weather up there in Dumbf*ckistan?


I'm not sure if SithLord is serious or if he's one of the best trolls ever.  Hard to tell.
 
2013-07-29 03:39:04 AM  
The tree of liberty must be watered with the freedom of security!!!.....or something

Let's stay out of this one and let them figure it out themselves.

farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-29 03:41:08 AM  

LordJiro: Alunan: Situations like Egypt make isolationism seem reasonable. Except I know Suez Canal... I have never had less respect for the Egyptian people or society then I do now. They aren't even human to me anymore.

Because their government is farked up?


Thank god France didn't take a look at the would-be democratic colonists quarreling with the Hessian mercenaries and thinking they could take on the British Empire and think "Let's just leave this alone...bunch of terrorists, they aren't even human..."

But I forget, it was different because we were "freedom fighters."
 
2013-07-29 03:42:34 AM  
Electric boogaloo? More like noise cancellation, I'm hoping.
 
2013-07-29 03:45:04 AM  

Argyle82: cc_rider: SithLord: Remember libtards, your President funds these assclowns.

Rather we've been funding their military since the Camp David Peace Accords. It's a small bribe to pay for safe and expidited passage though the Suez Canal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=US+funds+Egyptian+Army%2BSuez+canal& ie =utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

How's the weather up there in Dumbf*ckistan?

I'm not sure if SithLord is serious or if he's one of the best trolls ever.  Hard to tell.


It's a troll, but I'd hardly put him up there with the notable ones. There's hardly any here worth mentioning these days.
 
2013-07-29 03:47:11 AM  
I will say this, though:

Democracies are incredibly difficult to obtain and maintain. The prime requisite for a stable Democracy seems to be a highly educated and organized indigenous base. Tyrannies depend on poverty and ignorance: They seize communication and education always, so they can keep the people separate, ignorant and distant, and hence unable to act or revolt.

No Democracy has ever been imposed on any State (that has never had it before) from without and succeeded. Democracy can not be forced. It must be installed from within, naturally, as a conscious will of its own citizenry. And the only way to do this is through education.

/now you know what the Founding Fathers went through
//Democracy doesn't have to be born out of war, but it helps
 
2013-07-29 03:47:27 AM  
A Reuters reporter said the march numbered several thousand, chanting: "Our blood and souls we sacrifice for Morsi."

I'll never understand why a person would willingly sacrifice themselves for someone who doesn't give half a shiat about them.

Devotion to a country?  Sure.  Devotion to an ideal or set of ideals?  OK.  Devotion to a complete stranger you'll never have a relation ship with?  Welcome to your new cult.
 
2013-07-29 03:49:34 AM  

OgreMagi: This should end well.


Depends on how much you've got invested in oil futures right now.

/fark 'em, baby needs a new pair of shoes
 
2013-07-29 03:57:31 AM  

HotWingAgenda: It's not the Arab spring if wannabe theocrats are attacking a popular, secular, nonpartisan regime.


It's the "popular" part that's in question. (And "non-partisan" is a virtually meaningless term in Egypt.) Protests aren't a good way of gauging public sentiment, so removing an elected leader without an election may have been a bad idea. Not that there are necessarily any good ideas in this situation.

staplermofo: The headbands are cool.  I'd like political and religious groups here to wear them.
You could go into work and see Beth in operations has a headband tan, but you wouldn't know what group, but you'd guess Unitarian.


The Unitarians wouldn't wear any one headband, they'd wear all of them in turn.
 
2013-07-29 04:02:03 AM  
Looks around, Well the store appears to be tip-top. *Adjusts turban* Oh my
 
2013-07-29 04:03:37 AM  

Ishkur: I will say this, though:

Democracies are incredibly difficult to obtain and maintain. The prime requisite for a stable Democracy seems to be a highly educated and organized indigenous base. Tyrannies depend on poverty and ignorance: They seize communication and education always, so they can keep the people separate, ignorant and distant, and hence unable to act or revolt.

No Democracy has ever been imposed on any State (that has never had it before) from without and succeeded. Democracy can not be forced. It must be installed from within, naturally, as a conscious will of its own citizenry. And the only way to do this is through education.

/now you know what the Founding Fathers went through
//Democracy doesn't have to be born out of war, but it helps


West Germany? South Korea (although there are plenty of buts for that one)? It's rare, but Democracy certainly can be forced, because if it's true Democracy people eventually recognize it as their own regardless of how it came to be. Not that we should in this case. Egypt will come to democracy on its own because it has the education and economic levels necessary for it, and it has a strong public will for it. I think the ouster of Morsi was a step backwards, and they should have waited for the next election to remove the Muslim Brotherhood, but they'll get there sooner or later. Unfortunately, Democracy, and even moreso Democratization, is messy.
 
2013-07-29 04:04:06 AM  
They appear ready to die for their cause and die they shall.  The Egyptian military has an overwhelming advantage in manpower, tactical training, and weaponry.  Doubt the government/military will back down either as a large section of the Egyptian population supports them.
 
2013-07-29 04:05:40 AM  

LordJiro: Alunan: Situations like Egypt make isolationism seem reasonable. Except I know Suez Canal... I have never had less respect for the Egyptian people or society then I do now. They aren't even human to me anymore.

Because their government is farked up?


maybe because all the finger rape.....
 
2013-07-29 04:05:56 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: "Our blood and souls we sacrifice for Morsi."

[clevermusings.net image 533x300]

RIP Dark Brotherhood


Poor Lucien...Only time I've been genuinely shocked by the plot in an Elder Scrolls game. He was actually an interesting character. So weird for that game!
 
2013-07-29 04:06:02 AM  

Ishkur: I will say this, though:

Democracies are incredibly difficult to obtain and maintain. The prime requisite for a stable Democracy seems to be a highly educated and organized indigenous base. Tyrannies depend on poverty and ignorance: They seize communication and education always, so they can keep the people separate, ignorant and distant, and hence unable to act or revolt.

No Democracy has ever been imposed on any State (that has never had it before) from without and succeeded. Democracy can not be forced. It must be installed from within, naturally, as a conscious will of its own citizenry. And the only way to do this is through education.

/now you know what the Founding Fathers went through
//Democracy doesn't have to be born out of war, but it helps


No no no. It is entirely possible to fly in, kill the despots, give the country six or eight months to create a working democracy based on the only real democracy on the planet, overcome all difficulties through sheer force of will and lots of sweet tea, and then have the first elections by noon on Monday. It CAN be done. It CAN IT CAN IT CAN!!!

And if it can't, well, it's because them lazy no-count good-fer-nuthin ungrateful ignorant savages don't really want it so we might as well just give up and let them wallow in their own filth, I'VE had enough of it. [washes hands, towels briskly.]
 
2013-07-29 04:21:32 AM  

NobleHam: West Germany?


Weimer Republic. German populace had Democracy before. Not imposed from without.

NobleHam: South Korea


Came from within, not imposed from without. First elections held in 1948.

NobleHam: It's rare,


No, it's never happened. Democracy cannot be forced from without on any nation or people that has never had it before.

NobleHam: because if it's true Democracy people eventually recognize it as their own regardless of how it came to be.


No. That's not how Democracy works.

The one thing that Democracy absolutely needs to flourish is education. Democracy doesn't automatically bestow freedom, but free people generally want free elections, and they won't demand them unless they are educated and aware. A highly informed and educated citizenry always demands more out of its government and is the best safeguard against tyranny.

So always be wary of anyone trying to take away your access to high education. That's what all totalitarianisms do.

NobleHam: Egypt will come to democracy on its own because it has the education


Not from the looks of things, so far. It seems Egypt is in a dangerous transitional phase where the people want to be free and educated but they fear it might result in a loss of their tradition and culture. It is very hard thing to do -- turn your back on the past and start over with a new system (especially in a place like Egypt, with a past as ancient and rich as theirs is).
 
2013-07-29 04:32:27 AM  
Freedom and Justice Party, the [Muslim] Brotherhood's political wing.

I thought the GoP held that title. Jesus.. Political naming is so confusing somtimes.
 
2013-07-29 05:13:32 AM  
My brother is going there for holidays in 10 days time. He's very excited
 
2013-07-29 05:16:26 AM  
Democracy, at this point in history, is simply not compatible with the mentality/culture of Egypt. This is not politically correct to say but it's the truth.
Ishkur is 100% correct, they key is education and you don't change that overnight.
The majority of Egyptians are not the secular students you see on CNN holding signs saying 'grow your brains not your beard', they are the uneducated rural farmers who will vote for
whatever their Imam tells them to.
 
2013-07-29 05:23:18 AM  

uttertosh: Freedom and Justice Party, the [Muslim] Brotherhood's political wing.


Muslim fundamentalists calling their party 'Freedom and Justice Party'.
It's like the Nazi party calling themselves 'the Jewish, Gypsy and Gay Appreciation party'.
 
2013-07-29 05:32:11 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: They appear ready to die for their cause and die they shall.  The Egyptian military has an overwhelming advantage in manpower, tactical training, and weaponry.  Doubt the government/military will back down either as a large section of the Egyptian population supports them.


This (the overwhelming support of the egyptian population) will change very, very quickly once the army starts firing on unarmed demonstrators.
 
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