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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Apparently, Glenn Beck collects Nazi, um, memorabilia   (sltrib.com) divider line 283
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2013-07-29 12:42:38 AM  

kokomo61: Dwight_Yeast: staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.

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Is that Dean Wormer?




That's what I thought.
 
2013-07-29 12:45:41 AM  

Mikey1969: So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?


Did you ever start to get that feeling you were trolled?

It should be setting in here as soon as you finish reading this sentence.

/hint: Stop taking people so seriously. Especially on FARK.
 
2013-07-29 12:57:07 AM  
I HATE Glenn Beck but I have to say that the article was piss poor. The author was definitely using his Jump to Conclusions mat when he wrote that POS.

Does that drivel actually pass as journalism? If it does, that's just sad...
 
2013-07-29 01:00:44 AM  
Christ on a cracker even for Beck this is farked up.
 
2013-07-29 01:03:26 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.
 
2013-07-29 01:05:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: Mikey1969: So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?

Did you ever start to get that feeling you were trolled?

It should be setting in here as soon as you finish reading this sentence.

/hint: Stop taking people so seriously. Especially on FARK.


So what you're saying is that our are enough of a lower to troll, and then you need the attention so badly that you feel the need to broadcast it? You should get a dog, they give attention for free, and you don't come across as a moron.

Then again, if you're just thread jacking, you should just wander off and wait until someone calls on you, because you are once again pinging real high on the attention whore meter...
 
2013-07-29 01:06:02 AM  

archichris: Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.


Where did you get that? No one wants them destroyed. It's odd to have things like Hitler blood on a hankie. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-29 01:07:53 AM  
Didn't read the thread. Has anyone suggested that maybe he stole Obama's time machine and used it to bring hitler back to 1979, get him a sex change, then murder him in 1980?

Love that autocorrect capitalized Obama but not hitler.
 
2013-07-29 01:12:41 AM  

sethen320: I HATE Glenn Beck but I have to say that the article was piss poor. The author was definitely using his Jump to Conclusions mat when he wrote that POS.

Does that drivel actually pass as journalism? If it does, that's just sad...


Yeah, that was pretty weak writing, I agree. The whole thing could still have been written using the same conclusions, but it was written like it was a 7th grade English paper... Sure, the woman is pissed, and she has every right to be, but nobody is going to take a journalist seriously who can't paste 10 paragraphs together into a single story. This has aspirations to become a first draft some day...
 
2013-07-29 01:17:47 AM  
 
2013-07-29 01:18:48 AM  

archichris: Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.


So since she lost relatives in the Holocaust and finds this to be an insulting and disturbing display, it makes her a "progressive"?

And although it was the National Socialist Party, I'd say that to compare progressives to Nazis makes you a special kind of asshole. Regardless of the title used, the only analog to the Nazis that exists in today's world is the Neo Nazi skinheads, and even they aren't much like the original Nazis. It also makes you the kind of person that most of us can ignore, since, by all appearances, you probably won't have anything to contribute that doesn't involve potatoes.
 
2013-07-29 01:24:31 AM  

Amos Quito: " In June 2011, Beck announced he was to be the honored with the Zionist Organization of America's 2011 Defender of Israel Award."

At ZOA dinner, Glenn Beck dishes out the pro-Israel meat

[etc]

A fine Nazi, that Glenn Beck.


A fine Catholic, that Hitler.
 
2013-07-29 01:25:54 AM  

Amos Quito: " In June 2011, Beck announced he was to be the honored with the Zionist Organization of America's 2011 Defender of Israel Award."

At ZOA dinner, Glenn Beck dishes out the pro-Israel meat

[etc]

A fine Nazi, that Glenn Beck.


Take away the Judenhass and it's still Fascism, and yes, I very much meant that capital F.
 
2013-07-29 01:30:32 AM  
Before anyone praises Mr. Historian here, I should probably remind you that he barely finished high school and never furthered his education beyond that.
 
2013-07-29 01:56:47 AM  
So, someone who publicly and very emotionally claims that the degenerates of the Cosmopolitan Elites (i.e., Liberals) are ruining the way of life the true living Real Americans. Who also vehemently argues that large corporations should be allowed to conduct their business without interference from these Elites. Who believes that we should look to the values of our historical founding fathers, and their simple societies based on things like decency, respect, and deference to the wise patricians.

And this same person privately collects love letters from Nazi commander, signed (personalised) copies of Nazi manifestos, and objects that hold Hitler's blood.

Colour me shocked.

At the expense of Godwinning this thread, the things in the first paragraph were the things Hitler wrote about in Mein Kampf.
 
2013-07-29 02:06:07 AM  
Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?
 
2013-07-29 02:14:16 AM  
ansius: ...
At the expense of Godwinning this thread...

This thread is all about the Godwinning. It's Godwinning a guy who Godwins others. Well, it's also abut whether Godwinning is appropriate.
 
2013-07-29 02:19:28 AM  

Mr. Chainsaw: If you have some Nazi Luger or knife that grandpa pulled off a dead German, that's one thing, but if you have what could be called a collection? Yeah, you need help. Don't give me that "preserving history" crap. If you want to preserve history, give it to a museum.


In college history had classmate give a talk where he retold a story of his grandfather who was a medic in WWII.  They guys brought in a wounded German Officer, and he started patching him up.  At one point there wasn't anyone else but the two of them when the officer reached into his coat and pulled out his service pistol and handed it to his grandfather and started crying.  He'd intended to wait for the right moment and got out with a bang and take a few GI's with him. But everyone had been too nice to him. Classmate showed us the officers pistol and passed it around.
 
2013-07-29 02:22:37 AM  

atomic-age: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

I agree, plus, who wants the autograph of someone they opposite of admire? I'm going out on a limb and saying he does admit Hitler.


Any answer other than "my grandfather brought this back from World War II" and I'm going to think you're a farking weirdo.

I met a lot of dudes who collected Nazi shiat, or always played Nazis in LARP or video games.  Eventually, the "What?  I think this shiat is cool" starts to turn into "Well, the average soldier was just fighting for his country" turns into "The Waffen SS was just elite troops.  It would be like joining the Rangers today.  I respect that."  turns into "You know, if they had just invaded the USSR, think of all the problems they would have prevented" turns into "Auschwitz wasn't much different than Manzanar.  It's just being on a defensive footing meant they had problems getting food and medicine to the camps."  to "God, I bet Hitler's testicles would feel wonderful in my mouth."
 
2013-07-29 02:28:36 AM  
I have no problem with people collecting that shiat, it's a fascinating bit of history. But I'm sure he's just collecting and studying it so he can godwin the Obama presidency and explain the *similarities* to a bunch of A.M. radio idiots. "and the brownshirts and Van Jones, can't you see? The time is right, buy gold now."
 
2013-07-29 02:32:51 AM  
I don't think Glenn Beck is remotely a Nazi sympathizer, I think that in his mind that whole collection made absolute sense to be making some point about America, it's just that Glenn Beck is farking nuts. It's like his crazy chalkboard charts that make perfect sense to his insane brain but look like the scrawling of a crazy person to everyone who's sane. And of course he's too batshiat insane to realize that nobody else looks at his little collection and sees the connections he's drawing without him spelling it out.

He doesn't like the Nazis, he just spends all of his time Godwinning everything.
 
2013-07-29 02:32:57 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: Does Beck also have his own Barbie museum?


Yes, but it's Klaus Barbie.
 
2013-07-29 02:36:03 AM  
FTA:  "To add insult to injury, Beck's displays were met with complete apathy by the citizens of Salt Lake City."

Isn't that the best reaction to killer-worshipping crazies like Beck?  To ignore them?

/But please, Ms. Karl, get off of your "Jews were the only attempted genocide in history" high-horse.
 
2013-07-29 02:37:01 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


What sort of civil rights memorabilia would be acceptable?  The nozzle from one of the fire hoses used in Selma?  The bloody shredded pants from the guy being attacked by dogs in that famous photo?  How about the handcuffs they put on Rosa Parks?
 
2013-07-29 02:37:37 AM  
I'm sure he has a keen interest in history.  And I'd even concede that he is probably not some comical closet Nazi.

But if you ever happen to let slip that you have something like an Official Führer Hankie with Adolf's Bloody Boogers on it, you have to know that 9 out of 10 people are going to ask why.

It doesn't have to be a scholarly explanation.  It doesn't have to any more complex than "Here's this thing I bought at a garage sale last weekend, and I'm keeping it: for the lulz / because's it's macabre and nobody else has one / because only I can keep it safe from the crazy bastards who want to clone Hitler / because I'm going to have it DNA tested to see if it's really a Hitler Loogie / because I think having a travelling freakshow will increase sales / because it reminds me of the terrible suffering nosebleeds, Nazis and handkerchiefs can cause."

Or you can say nothing and let your opponents call you a Nazi worshipper.
 
2013-07-29 02:38:19 AM  

WordsnCollision: grokca: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.


Sleeper?
Funny farking movie.
IMHO, the more we pay attention to this f0cktard, is the more we make his syphilitic rantings valid in the minds of the dullards who believe the shiat he spews.
 
2013-07-29 02:45:05 AM  

LordJiro: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?


Shhhhhhhh! you are only validating his view that democrats are evil...
/werdz n laybulls is hard to unterstand teh true meenings
 
2013-07-29 02:45:07 AM  

A Terrible Human: Christ on a cracker even for Beck this is farked up.


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Agreed.
 
2013-07-29 02:52:56 AM  

rynthetyn: I don't think Glenn Beck is remotely a Nazi sympathizer, I think that in his mind that whole collection made absolute sense to be making some point about America, it's just that Glenn Beck is farking nuts. It's like his crazy chalkboard charts that make perfect sense to his insane brain but look like the scrawling of a crazy person to everyone who's sane. And of course he's too batshiat insane to realize that nobody else looks at his little collection and sees the connections he's drawing without him spelling it out.

He doesn't like the Nazis, he just spends all of his time Godwinning everything.


Eh...I'm not entirely sure. I mean; agreed, I don't think he's a Nazi sympathizer, per se. But, if you ever listen to him talk about history (and, god save me, I've listened to more than I ever wanted to), it's clear that he worships at the alter of the "Great Man." There is a genuine admiration and sympathy that comes out when he talks about the outsized individuals who shaped history -- in whatever direction.

Personally, I think it's just simple megalomania on his part. I believe he genuinely thinks of himself as one of those "Great Men," and whether he identifies with these other figures as friends or foes, it is certainly a kind of "peer" relationship. It doesn't shock me in the slightest that he'd be collecting the personal effects of Nazi leaders, regardless whatever rationalization he wants to slather on top of his little hobby.
 
2013-07-29 02:54:17 AM  
Pretty soon Beck will plan his daughter's wedding, probably having the servers dress up in snappy suits and shiny shoes, maybe some patriotic banners around the reception hall, and have all the gays and libs wear little pieces of flair...
 
2013-07-29 02:54:29 AM  

Mikey1969: jtown: The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.

Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.


One does wonder: if you're the sort who would own Hitler's bloody handkerchief, wouldn't you also be the sort who might, in a moment of curiosity and weakness, kiss it? And if it were me, if I were the sort to own Hitler's bloody handkerchief--and let me be clear that I'm not--, and the sort to kiss it, I would also be of the mind to taste the bloodspot.
 
2013-07-29 03:12:28 AM  

Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant



    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

 
2013-07-29 03:15:36 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky frankly neo-Nazi direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.


FTFY, and unfortunately not joking--especially if one is aware of Nazi imagery regarding the so-called "Blood Flag" (Cliff's Notes version: the Blood Flag was an early Nazi flag that was flown during the failed Beer Hall Putsch that ended up being soaked in the blood of Nazis shot dead by the Munich police; when the Nazis actually got control back of Germany, the Blood Flag ended up being essentially a national cult symbol/totem that was used for dedication of Nazi functions and flags).  Knowing the general symbolism of blood imagery and the Blood Flag, I'd not be a damned bit shocked to see almost identical imagery concerning handkerchiefs soaked with Hitler's blood as a sort of neo-Nazi "Blood Flag" (as the original Blood Flag is generally thought to have been destroyed at the end of World War II).

The signed "Mein Kampf" and the Goring love-letters are creepy enough, the "Bitsy Hitler Bloodkerchief" pretty much all but throws that into de facto neo-Nazi shrine territory, however.  (Which is particularly disturbing to me, as it was in conjunction with a known display by dominionist (and NARasite, specifically) American-historical-revisionist David Barton (who generally promotes a view of history that, well, rather more resembles the official state propoganda promoted by Comstock's Columbia in Bioshock: Infinite than actual American history); it does give a worrisome possibility that dominionists (and their own versions of historical revisionism--not just "American religionationalist historical revisionism" but some particularly nasty forms of Holocaust denialism/Holocaust revisionism targeting LGBT people) may be mixing with or trying to recruit from the sorts of folks who WOULD revere Hitler's Bloodkerchief as a new Blood Flag...)
 
2013-07-29 03:18:28 AM  
This thread reminds me of why I love it hear and need to go total fark pronto.  Absolutely hilarious and wide ranging opinions on display.

Honestly, if it was anyone else and they had less personal items of these monsters then it wouldn't seem so douchey.  I mean, if it was a flag, some military gear or propaganda posters I wouldn't bat an eye.  The personal nature of the items he has chosen to collect and then display is what makes it seem so seedy.  How a blood soaked handkerchief is historically signifigant in any way is beyond me.  Most of these items do nothing to educate people as to who Hitler and his henchmen were and what they did to so many.  Yet this is exactly what he says its supposed to do.  For me its hard to justify this in any way from an historical perspective.
 
2013-07-29 03:18:33 AM  

Bumblefark: Eh...I'm not entirely sure. I mean; agreed, I don't think he's a Nazi sympathizer, per se. But, if you ever listen to him talk about history (and, god save me, I've listened to more than I ever wanted to), it's clear that he worships at the alter of the "Great Man." There is a genuine admiration and sympathy that comes out when he talks about the outsized individuals who shaped history -- in whatever direction.

Personally, I think it's just simple megalomania on his part. I believe he genuinely thinks of himself as one of those "Great Men," and whether he identifies with these other figures as friends or foes, it is certainly a kind of "peer" relationship.

bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com

Approves.

/Worst Bond villain ever.
//Does this mean Timothy Dalton needs his own talk radio show?
 
2013-07-29 03:26:36 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: Mikey1969: Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky frankly neo-Nazi direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.

FTFY, and unfortunately not joking--especially if one is aware of Nazi imagery regarding the so-called "Blood Flag" (Cliff's Notes version: the Blood Flag was an early Nazi flag that was flown during the failed Beer Hall Putsch that ended up being soaked in the blood of Nazis shot dead by the Munich police; when the Nazis actually got control back of Germany, the Blood Flag ended up being essentially a national cult symbol/totem that was used for dedication of Nazi functions and flags).  Knowing the general symbolism of blood imagery and the Blood Flag, I'd not be a damned bit shocked to see almost identical imagery concerning handkerchiefs soaked with Hitler's blood as a sort of neo-Nazi "Blood Flag" (as the original Blood Flag is generally thought to have been destroyed at the end of World War II).

The signed "Mein Kampf" and the Goring love-letters are creepy enough, the "Bitsy Hitler Bloodkerchief" pretty much all but throws that into de facto neo-Nazi shrine territory, however.  (Which is particularly disturbing to me, as it was in conjunction with a known display by dominionist (and NARasite, specifically) American-historical-revisionist David Barton (who generally promotes a view of history that, well, rather more resembles the official state propoganda promoted by Comstock's Columbia in Bioshock: Infinite than actual American history); it does give a worrisome possibility that dominionists (and their own versions of historical revisionism--not just "American religionationalist historical revisionism" but some particularly nasty forms of Holocaust denialism/Holocaust revisionism targeting LGBT people) may be mixing with or trying to recruit from the sorts of folks who WOULD revere Hitler's Bloodkerchief a ...


Isn't The Family a fan of Mein Kampf because they like how Hitler was a strong leader and think that if only he believed the right things he would have been great?
 
2013-07-29 03:29:51 AM  

A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?


I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.

I don't mean that in a "try walking in  their shoes for a while, man!" kind of way, or to mean that the people we label as "evil" are really just misunderstood and we should try making friends with them like in some sappy after-school special.  The problem, though, is that we tend to portray the monsters of our history as, well, monsters - creatures too base to even be considered human, who were pure evil and nothing else.  Thinking of them in such terms makes it harder for people to consider that their own preferred politician could try to lead them in a similar direction.  We tend to think of evil people as being blatantly, almost cartoonishly evil, like Snidely Whiplash.  We do need to remember that evil can be obscured beneath normal, everyday things like a passion for painting or a sincere, heartfelt love letter.

On a rather different, but still WWII-related note, I figure there are enough military history buffs in this thread to maybe give me a bit of advice.  My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told her when she was younger.  I don't even know Grampa's unit number or what rank he held.  How would I go about learning more?  I never got to know the man himself, but I'd like to at least know more of his story.
 
2013-07-29 03:43:12 AM  

Lachwen: I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.


I agree with that, entirely. But, the love letters belong in a public archive, and Hitler's snot rag belongs in the trash. Individuals who make a personal hobby of collecting such things are rightfully viewed with some suspicion. Odds are, their interests in such artifacts are not purely antiquarian...
 
2013-07-29 03:44:56 AM  

Lachwen: A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?

I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.

I don't mean that in a "try walking in  their shoes for a while, man!" kind of way, or to mean that the people we label as "evil" are really just misunderstood and we should try making friends with them like in some sappy after-school special.  The problem, though, is that we tend to portray the monsters of our history as, well, monsters - creatures too base to even be considered human, who were pure evil and nothing else.  Thinking of them in such terms makes it harder for people to consider that their own preferred politician could try to lead them in a similar direction.  We tend to think of evil people as being blatantly, almost cartoonishly evil, like Snidely Whiplash.  We do need to remember that evil can be obscured beneath normal, everyday things like a passion for painting or a sincere, heartfelt love letter.


The movie "Downfall" is best known on the Internet for the Hitler reaction me memes but the reason it's a great movie and was incredibly controversial when it was released is because it does just that--show the Nazi leadership as human. People prefer their evil as cartoon villains but that film did a brilliant job of humanizing Hitler and forcing the viewer to face the fact that humanity is capable of such evil.
 
2013-07-29 03:45:24 AM  

rynthetyn: Isn't The Family a fan of Mein Kampf because they like how Hitler was a strong leader and think that if only he believed the right things he would have been great?


Not just that--Rick Warren (and, for that matter, C. Peter Wagner himself--aka Papa NARasite Himself) have outright stated that the Hitlerjugend (and in fact the entire personality cult re Hitler) as well as the Cultural Revolution (and in fact the entire personality cult re Mao Zedong) are explicit models for both how dominionist groups should organise themselves and the general level of zeal and totalitarianism that they should promote.

There really, truly is a disturbing amount of admiration for totalitarian revolutionary movements in dominionist groups in general (the dominionist group formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ--which recently renamed itself to Cru when a lot of press started coming out how they were dominionist religionationalists, how they used a lot of coercive tactics in both recruitment and keeping members, and how they were putting out a surprising amount of anti-DNC pro-dominionist propoganda disguised as "documentaries"--has in their literature explicitly held up Bolshevik "People's Revolutionary Cells" (basically the apartment-level soviets of six to twelve people that were the basis of Leninist revolutionary groups and people's soviets in general) as the direct inspiration for their cell-church-based organisational model; in fact, pretty much MOST NARasite groups that use "cell churches" or "discipling and shepherding" ultimately credit Leninist and Maoist "People's Revolutionary Cells" for the idea for their OWN coercive cell groups (and there is a definite body of research that strongly suggests that the "big brother"-ish cell structure--whether it is in the form of Amway IBOs and similar MLM "business motivational" setups, dominionist "cell churches", or the "People's Revolutionary Cells" sort of neighbourhood-cells that still exist in North Korea and existed during the Cultural Revolution in China--that pyramidal cell-group structures are inherently coercive and capable of causing psychological harm and frank psychiatric injuries)...right down to the use of cell-church-structured wolf-in-sheep's-clothing "lay ministries" by the Institute for Religion and Democracy and FGBMFI to infiltrate mainline (and non-neopentecostal, in the case of FGBMFI) churches to convert them to dominionism from within.)
 
2013-07-29 03:45:50 AM  

Lachwen:My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told h ...


National Personal Records Centre, Military Personnel Records--holds US service records from the Great War to present.  This is the place that you seek.

 
2013-07-29 03:49:51 AM  
Ooops... National Personnel Records Centre... I blame autocorrect.  And the lateness of the hour.  Well you get the idea.
 
2013-07-29 04:00:06 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


And Hermann Göring's love letters are accomplishing this?

This isn't a museum, and these items aren't presented in any context. It's a farking freak show exhibit.

While I'm explaining context, here's some more: imagine if, say, one of the hosts of an MSNBC show had an exhibit of his collection of Lenin and Stalin memorabilia. Want to guess how Fox News would react?
 
2013-07-29 04:09:08 AM  

archichris: The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......


Here's the part where context makes all the difference:

FTA: "from the personal collection of David Barton "

Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that this is the same David Barton who is a holocaust denier and has given a few speeches to Christian Identity groups, who have heaped praise on him.

Mein gott, how could we possibly think Beck is being a racist and an idiot?
 
2013-07-29 04:09:25 AM  

Thurston Howell: Lachwen:My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told h ...
National Personal Records Centre, Military Personnel Records--holds US service records from the Great War to present.  This is the place that you seek.


Thank you.
 
2013-07-29 04:14:51 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Detectives have speculated that the rape and murder happened in the attic after an Anne Frank role playing fetish went terribly awry.


Poor girl didn't see it coming. Or hear it...
 
2013-07-29 04:21:35 AM  
This just in: Glenn Beck is an attention-whoring troll with all the credibility of a rodeo clown. Film at 11.
 
2013-07-29 04:31:00 AM  

MisterRonbo: Here's the part where context makes all the difference:

FTA: "from the personal collection of David Barton "

Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that this is the same David Barton who is a holocaust denier and has given a few speeches to Christian Identity groups, who have heaped praise on him.

Mein gott, how could we possibly think Beck is being a racist and an idiot?


Barton's artifacts were part of the Americana/Revolutionary War exhibit.  They are probably selected and intended to convey his message of Christian nationalism.

According to the author, the Nazi stuff comes from Beck's personal collection.

Now I don't put much stock in unprovable assertions of a vast dominionist conspiracy, and guilt by association is a largely fruitless ad hominem.  But more definitive symbolic associations like the Blutfahne are hard to ignore, and (to my mind) almost impossible to explain as mere coincidence.  That is much firmer ground.
 
2013-07-29 05:19:07 AM  
This should be the point where media outlets start asking highly specific questions, since (as the Great Porn Dragon has pointed out), that exhibit is a de facto neo-Nazi shrine.  All the other Hitler memorabilia (cars, uniforms, footie pajamas, etc) don't directly evoke the symbolism of the NSDAP's foundational myth (a.k.a the Beer Hall Putsch).  But this one piece of memorabilia is a little too heavily laden with symbolism.

So I think would be fair to start asking about the provenance of the BlutSchnozzenrag, and why exactly anyone with half a brain would want to put this thing on tour.  Even if one owned it with entirely innocent purposes (ie. to blow your own nose and defile the sacred relic), you'd have to be concerned about every skinhead and white power nutjob within a thousand miles coming to steal the thing from you and/or putting your life at risk until you turned it over to them.

This thing needs to go into the incinerator, or it needs to get locked up in a secure facility until such time as Paramount launches Clone Hitler into space so that there will be a villain for the next Star Trek movie.
 
2013-07-29 05:30:03 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


This.

Thank you.
 
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