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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Apparently, Glenn Beck collects Nazi, um, memorabilia   (sltrib.com) divider line 283
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2013-07-28 11:09:19 PM  

NephilimNexus: I'm torn between whether or not I should jump on the bandwagon about questioning Beck's motives, because the article writer is a clear example of how much of a twat one can look like when one jumps to conclusions for the sake of outrage attention whoring.


Makes you wonder what her FARK handle is.
 
2013-07-28 11:10:06 PM  
stopbeck.com

Old white people hold up a poster of this man, and scream "GAZE UPON A PATRIOT~!!"
 
2013-07-28 11:11:00 PM  

jtown: The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.


Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.


I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.
 
2013-07-28 11:16:00 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry, he collects historic relics from racist assholes, and then doesn't bother to display them in a way that in no way separates them from a young woman who came to symbolize the killing and persecution of a race of people. You display it in a way that shows that you AREN'T a racist, and in a way that demonstrates that you know the difference between Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler, and then they ARE just historical relics, you throw all the shait together with no context, and you're either a clueless douchebag or a racist, Nazi loving douchebag.


Precisely.  Even if Beck was trying to do something relatively benign but hilariously inept; i.e. thought Obama was the second coming of Hitler, and was trying to draw that equivalence, then one would jam a few Obama artifacts in there and maybe a couple of placards with info-blurbs about how they relate.  And if you can't do that much, maybe just a table between the two with a stack of his book (that presumably tells the reader how one political leader is like the other).

But as the writer notes, the primary exhibit is early Americana/Revolutionary War junk; the Nazi relics are a secondary exhibit.  They don't really compute or relate (except in the vaguest sense of being "historical junk").  And if you think they do relate, you at least owe the audience a tiny bit of explanation.  Even the laziest of modern artists who shart on a sheet and then put it up in a private gallery generally have enough sense to include a blurb in the exhibition, telling the too-dumb-to-realise-at-first-glance bourgeoisie that the sheet represents the world's innate capacity for peace and goodness, and the shart represents the ugliness of Western consumerism and corporate oligopoly).  They know nobody is going to make the same connection without a little hand-holding.   Hell, not even Grade 1 kids in a science fair get away with exhibits without context.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:43 PM  

Mikey1969: To start, I can't help wondering what prompted Beck to collect such macabre objects and include them among his personal belongings. What are the virtues of owning Göring's love letters, Hitler's signature or a few drops of his blood?

To be fair, history is history. If a museum had this stuff, people wouldn't think twice. It doesn't matter how important YOU think it is, collecting any piece of history, especially from an era where they tried so hard to wipe everything out, is important. Considering that Beck has apparently not tried to put any context to this though, seems to make it more about a personal collection than neutrally collecting things for their historical significance.


There's a fairly bright line between documenting history and fetishizing it. If the "curator" of this "collection" were a learning-disabled adult who found all this crap in his grandfather's attic, I'd be inclined to write it off as an accidental example of poor taste from an individual who would not be expected to understand the significance of the items, or the horrific taste in the manner which they were displayed. Beck is a well-educated author and one of the best propagandists of our current culture. He's quite adept in explaining the significance and history of artifacts and symbols, and using them to create emotionally evocative stories.

I can't help but be impressed by his talent and focus on his market. My recognition causes me not to admire him, but to feel a nausea which I can only compare with the sensations I experienced a couple hours after eating pasta contaminated with E Coli several years ago.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:43 PM  

Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny.


False. People don't try to be funny in the Politics tab. The laughs come from idiocy, not effort.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:56 PM  
I have a pre war  copy of Mein Kampf published in newspaper form and sold by California Democrat Alan Cranston.  He sold 500,000 of them for ten cents with no royalties going to Hitler.

(from google)...   Cranston said  that their 10-cent tabloid was hardly competition for the , $3 Houghton Mifflin hardback.
The trials were among the oddest in American jurisprudence. Their arguments set precedents and provoked a spate of stories in newspapers, popular magazines and legal journals.
In June, 1939, the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York ruled that Stackpole Sons indeed had infringed on Hitler's copyright. In July, the U.S. District Court followed suit and ordered Cranston's bootleg press stopped.
"Then we had to throw away half a million copies," Cranston said, laughing...

 Wow  - This has it all - Nazis ,Democrats bootlegging, and stealing book royalties, wonder what Beck would pay for THAT!
 
2013-07-28 11:19:02 PM  

Thurston Howell: Hell, not even Grade 1 kids in a science fair get away with exhibits without context.


Of course, I think it's going to be a few more years before Beck is on a level with first graders. He's working hard though, and may surprise us all by being ready early.
 
2013-07-28 11:19:11 PM  

Cataholic: NephilimNexus: I'm torn between whether or not I should jump on the bandwagon about questioning Beck's motives, because the article writer is a clear example of how much of a twat one can look like when one jumps to conclusions for the sake of outrage attention whoring.


Yeah, this is literally the dumbest thing I've read all day:

"The very presence of these objects begs the question: How does this material survive?...The survival of such 'memorabilia' can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch."


...or, you know, any kid who was given a rifle and a helmet and wanted a souvenir.
 
2013-07-28 11:23:58 PM  
I have some Al Capone, and Jack the Ripper newspapers hanging in the bar. Also a paper announcing the end of the first world war. I have looked at propaganda posters from all countries during the '40's, and leaflets. Interesting stuff to me. Don't care to have a shrine of tyrant blood, but I enjoy a peep at past occurrences, and items related to them. He can cry, and pray, and twist one off all day while stroking the chancellor's cumrag. Don't go see see his crap if you don't like it.
 
2013-07-28 11:24:57 PM  

Intel154: Marcus Aurelius: I got your Nazi memorabilia right here.
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Favorited in 303rd Bombing Group lightnng yellow


Bless you, my fellow citizen.

My father navigated B-17s out of Italy from early 44 to the exit ramp.  He never did like to talk about it.  But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.  The debriefings make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
 
2013-07-28 11:28:33 PM  
Lots of people collect stuff from WW2, which includes nazi stuff.  This is not a big deal.
 
2013-07-28 11:30:04 PM  

Mikey1969: hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.

I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


I dunno. I think the case could be made...

/Oh, bronies? Sorry. Thought we were talking about cloppers. My bad.

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2013-07-28 11:33:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.


Giggity?
 
2013-07-28 11:34:37 PM  
I'm part of the "not surprised" crowd.

I'm reminded, though, of my ex's family.

Her immediate family was Polish. Pure Polish as far as I knew. Her mother was very... "pro Polish" which is a kind way of saying "pro Aryan." At first my ex told me that it's best to hide my ethnicity. I'm half Mexican. I have brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair. I also speak with a General American (neutral, "newscaster" English) dialect, speak more French and Japanese than Spanish, and am the "Whitest Brown boy you'll ever meet". I'm a Wheat Cracker.

At first we told her that I was Hawaiian. We also hid the fact that we were dating at first. Her mother is also very controlling. In high school my ex was told, in no uncertain terms, that she was forbidden from dating this black boy that she liked. Her mother was very controlling and very much two faced. She tried to put on the perfect 50's house wife act in public but was a vitriolic, controlling, manipulative biatch behind closed doors. After her mother found out about us she tried, in various ways, to drive us apart.

Her mother tried to crate a stink over things that she made up and I never did. Her mother tried to act like she was delighted by me as if my ex was just using me to rebel against her mother. Etc, etc. After a while she saw that she wasn't going to be able to drive us apart, that I was here to stay, and that we would probably make a life together. At one point she said, in a depressed manner, that she felt bad for my ex as (since she was with me) she'd never have, "blond haired, blue eyed children." Which was extra funny/sad/annoying/hateful as my ex has hazel eyes and light brown hair. So, yeah. My ex's mother was a racist, pro Aryan biatch.

My ex's mother, aunts, and grandmother were born in Germany and emigrated to the US around 30 years ago. Her grandmother was pretty old and fondly remembers the time when she got to see Adolf Hitler in person.

I'm so damn glad that I have nothing to do with that family anymore.

/Bad breakup.
//Turns out the ex was as much of a two faced user as her mother.
///She just lied to herself about what she was doing as to not feel bad about it.
//Seven years wasted living in a one sided lie.
/I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
2013-07-28 11:34:52 PM  
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2013-07-28 11:37:21 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: /Bad breakup.
//Turns out the ex was as much of a two faced user as her mother.
///She just lied to herself about what she was doing as to not feel bad about it.
//Seven years wasted living in a one sided lie.
/I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.


You know what you need?  You need to wipe your tears on a handkerchief soaked in Hitler's blood!  From what I can gather, that wouldn't be weird at all.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


I did a fair bit of trading in war memorabilia while I was stationed in Germany. Not all of it was Nazi or even German, but the majority was. You can find some interesting items in attics and basements of homes owned by the same family that owned them during that era.

I know that some folks look down on people who are interested in such things. Just like those who look down on people who collect murder memorabilia. But, of the people I traded with semi-regularly, I only knew two people who were actually into the Nazi philosophy itself. Most were interested in collecting certain subsets, such as knives, uniforms, hats, etc... but they usually did not limit their collecting to any particular nation or era. These items, those that are authentic, have historical importance.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Marcus Aurelius: But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.

Giggity?


I wish.  My old man's porn collection amounted to a couple of bad 60's "Our Man Flint" pot boilers, with "Flint" scratched out and the word "Penis" written in.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:26 PM  
The Wash DC Holocaust museum has Nazi memorabilia, and a Canadian war museum has Adolf Hitler's personal car on display. I've known a few old timers who picked up a few 'memorabilia' items when they were fighting the Nazis in WWII. Parts of the Berlin wall rest in NYC as a reminder, and parts of the WTC buildings were made into memorials all over the counrty. No Glenn Beck fan here, but how is collecting historical items or displaying them equal to agreeing with what they stood for? It's history: Plus. we should made sure to always display the ugly parts of our past so future generations do not commit the same atrocities. Ignorance of the past will allow it to repeat, because people won't recognize just what pure evil looks like if it ended up turning up in the world.

Not only do I think Nazi memorabilia should be displayed in museums, I think students should be exposed to Nazi propaganda films right next to the horrors that they caused. . . because they need to understand what evil looks like. Evil like that is never honest. The Nazis didn't parade around with holocaust pictures: They paraded around with 'gleaming banners' and tried to make their sick world view look appealing to it's targets. Perhaps if the German people had been exposed prior to the rise of Hitler to the atrocities of the past in a real way, they might have thought twice before 'democratically electing' him and millions of people (and millions more of their decedents) would have lived full, healthy, and happy lives.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:27 PM  

Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


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2013-07-28 11:49:55 PM  

Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.


Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?
 
2013-07-28 11:50:25 PM  

ciberido: Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.

Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?


You're getting Kurt Cobain confused with Anne Frank, a notorious Nazi.
 
2013-07-28 11:50:36 PM  

Fissile: A friend of mine had a neighbor who was a WWII German vet.  This man corresponded with Otto Skorzeny, Hans Rudel, and Karl Donitz after the war.   My friend was given all these letters shortly before the old man's death.  I think he has 10 letters signed by Skorzeny, I believe 30 letters, post cards and such signed by Rudel and half dozen or so letters signed by Donitz.

Any collectors out there want to make me an offer?


Well hopefully the originals end up in a museum where they can be preserved as long as possible, but since paper eventually falls apart please get them digitized and sent to someone like  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HathiTrust so they can not only be preserved forever but read by anyone with a computer.
 
2013-07-28 11:52:25 PM  
Glenn Beck may be nuttier than a fruitcake but I seriously doubt he's some kind of Nazi sympathizer. From what I do know of him I'd say he probably has an unhealthy fascination with history, but I guess everyone needs a hobby.
 
2013-07-28 11:53:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


That two-faced Göbbels-wannabe hypocrite is always assuring us how much he admires Martin Luther King, and in the next breath spewing off about Union Thugs. (What was King was doing in Memphis that day?) If King were still alive, Glenn Beck would be the loudest mouth on the airwaves calling him a communist.
 
2013-07-28 11:54:04 PM  

pedobearapproved: Marshal805: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

You mean running around peddling lies & half truths for a profit while having a messianic complex is better than being a fan of children's cartoon?


Um, okay.

When you're over 15, yes. At least he's making money from his weirdo backward belief system

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(Sigh)

Here's the thing.


1.) Beck (stupid as he is) can actually convince people to vote for certain candidates.

2.) The candidates he likes tend to be of the Bachmann/Santorum variety.

3) Having candidates  of that variety in places of power tend to lead to having the kind of inept, incompetent, hyper partisan Congress we are currently suffering under.

Get the picture?
 
2013-07-28 11:55:02 PM  

Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today


I think  OnlyM3 is Glenn Beck's alt.  Or rather, the account belonged to an intelligent young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990, after which it became Glenn Beck's alt.  Not that I'm implying any sort of connection, you understand.  I'm just saying first one thing happened, and then another thing did.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:28 PM  
The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

i.imgur.com

http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png
 
2013-07-28 11:56:01 PM  

ciberido: Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.

Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?


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2013-07-28 11:56:20 PM  

Speef: His Very Private collection, which he wears at all times, includes Hitler's favorite pair of crotchless  panties, and  Goering's ceremonial dress nipple clamps.


Wait, wait, wait, are you trying to tell me Glenn Beck is a lumberjack?
 
2013-07-28 11:58:51 PM  
Huh, when did Glenn Beck dye his hair an auburn?
 
2013-07-29 12:00:03 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


There's a difference between, say, the Holocaust Museum, and the badly-organized collection of a man who shows literally textbook signs of paranoid schizophrenia.
 
2013-07-29 12:00:14 AM  
The usual suspects defend Beck. Shocked, I am.
 
2013-07-29 12:01:09 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: This doesn't surprise me at all. He has a serious fascination with Socialism and Fascism.


He either supports Socialism/Fascism, or he's a Tea Party sympathizer.  You're probably masturbating to the thought of painting him as the ultimate bad guy, but you can't have it both ways.
 
2013-07-29 12:02:06 AM  

Fissile: Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today

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Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.


"Portmateau" my ass.

And you are a poseur.

Either you quote Hitler out if sheer ignorance of how what he and Scheer did with the likes of AG Bayer, Krupp and the rest who actually financed the Reich or you chose to make a point out of linking him with Socialism.

The latter part of your statement confirms the former, since Nazism was developed and flourished out of the same ethic that still drives the conservative establishment in the US today - an abiding hated of Boleshevism and a fear of it's spread.

If you pretend to understand history take that 2nd course at the community college and STFU.
 
2013-07-29 12:02:52 AM  

TotesCrayCray: The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

[i.imgur.com image 719x411]

http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png


He looks like a LaRoucher. At least that's who has those signs here in Seattle
 
2013-07-29 12:04:17 AM  

mbillips: The definition of socialism levied against Obama is a fantasy of mouth-breathing idiots who wouldn't know an economic fact if it bit them on the penis.


Objection, Your Honor.  Assumes organs not in evidence.
 
2013-07-29 12:04:30 AM  
Alright, let me try that again with non-shiatty scans.

http://i.imgur.com/Fv6aTgo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6qH9ypM.jpg
 
2013-07-29 12:05:37 AM  

Slartibartfaster: NAZI is national socialist


And the Moral Majority was both of those things and the Holy Roman Empire was all three.
 
2013-07-29 12:08:18 AM  

TotesCrayCray: The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

[i.imgur.com image 719x411]

http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png


Knew that was one of the LaRouche douche crowd before opening the links. The guys does the same thing when he goes on vacation. Was down in Destin a couple months ago and spent his entire Florida panhandle vacation hanging out at the Destin post office with a buddy holding the same sign. Even sadder, he got a lot of car honking support from the local yokels because of his Hitler Fartbongo patriotism. You can't fix stupid.
 
2013-07-29 12:11:25 AM  
Dahnkster: Knew that was one of the LaRouche douche crowd before opening the links. The guys does the same thing when he goes on vacation. Was down in Destin a couple months ago and spent his entire Florida panhandle vacation hanging out at the Destin post office with a buddy holding the same sign. Even sadder, he got a lot of car honking support from the local yokels because of his Hitler Fartbongo patriotism. You can't fix stupid.

I've seen someone with that sign, or something similar, handing out papers in Illinois.
 
2013-07-29 12:12:48 AM  
 
2013-07-29 12:14:00 AM  

gobstopping: The Wash DC Holocaust museum has Nazi memorabilia, and a Canadian war museum has Adolf Hitler's personal car on display. I've known a few old timers who picked up a few 'memorabilia' items when they were fighting the Nazis in WWII. Parts of the Berlin wall rest in NYC as a reminder, and parts of the WTC buildings were made into memorials all over the counrty. No Glenn Beck fan here, but how is collecting historical items or displaying them equal to agreeing with what they stood for?


People are not troubled because he collects Nazi memorabilia; they are troubled because of specific memorabilia items.  Letters from Göring to Heydrich advising him to work on a solution to the "Jewish problem"?  Put that in an archive; it's evidence of intent.  Heydrich's orders to commence  Operation Reinhard?  Evidence of intention and action to murder millions; save that too.  The world needs that kind of proof.  Photos of the constructed deatrh camps, and the physical infrastructure of the camps themselves?  Preserve that; it's part of the chain of evidence.

But Hitler's bloody handkerchief?  Göring's love letters?  Unless you can tie that to a film or photograph where Hitler used the hankie, or Göring's letters discuss some of the operational details of the war, government, etc... those are odd mementoes to hang on to.

A British store that sells wargaming miniatures has put some of Lord Nelson's letters (including letters to his mistress) up on the web.  You will not be surprised to learn that a line of miniature sailing ships is one of the store's marquee items.  What's Glenn Beck hocking that ties, in however tenuous a way, to the romantic life of Hermann Göring?  Or Hitler's nosebleeds?

I believe it's important to show the ordinary side of history's monsters, so that we understand that to their contemporaries and collaborators, these monsters did not appear to be obvious lunatics.  In so doing we may further understand that any man or woman in the world today could command similar respect and obedience, and use it to equally murderous ends--and that it might not be immediately obvious how horrifying it will turn out.  If one wants to preserve Hitler's bloody hanky, give it to a museum or organisation dedicated to examining and illuminating that era, so that it can be of some good to the world.  Hiding it in your private stash isn't exactly a marker of evil, but it will raise a shiatstorm of uncomplimentary speculation.  And it doesn't say much for a) one's abilities as an historian and b) one's intent in retaining them if he can't be bothered to give the artifacts some context.
 
2013-07-29 12:27:52 AM  

Fjornir: Beck: Tomorrow, I meet Sarah Palin and family for the first time. I'm actually a little nervous - as she is one of the only people that I can see that can possibly lead us out of where we are. I don't know yet if she's strong enough, if she's well enough advised, or if she knows she can no longer trust anyone...

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/briefly scans the thread for references to... umm... fnord. Today the solar system, tomorrow Equestria.

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I'm just sayin' that if someone comes up to you and asks "Are you Mitch McConnell?", you must reply, "You bet your sweet plot I am."
 
2013-07-29 12:32:45 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


its really really creepy.
 
2013-07-29 12:32:50 AM  

Thurston Howell: People are not troubled because he collects Nazi memorabilia; they are troubled because of specific memorabilia items.  Letters from Göring to Heydrich advising him to work on a solution to the "Jewish problem"?  Put that in an archive; it's evidence of intent.  Heydrich's orders to commence  Operation Reinhard?  Evidence of intention and action to murder millions; save that too.  The world needs that kind of proof.  Photos of the constructed deatrh camps, and the physical infrastructure of the camps themselves?  Preserve that; it's part of the chain of evidence.


Point of clarification:  These things are not, to my knowledge, part of the exhibit.  I phrased this section inelegantly.  If Beck had such items, we would more readily understand the significance and importance.  It's harder to understand the significance of purely personal items (hanky, love letters) that shed no new light on the personalities or actions of the original owners.  ie. the historical record has not indicated to this point that Göring never loved his wife, or that Hitler never used a handkerchief.
 
2013-07-29 12:33:02 AM  
Wait, what? The guy who has Nazi Tourette's Syndrome actually collects Nazi memorabilia?

The hell you say!

/LB: "Glenn Beck plays "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except there's just one degree and Kevin Bacon is Hitler"
 
2013-07-29 12:42:33 AM  

hardinparamedic: Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?
 
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