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2013-07-28 08:07:57 PM  
Strange? This one needs a "Par for the Course" tag.
 
2013-07-28 08:14:00 PM  
I don't have a Nazi captain obvious
www.andyandnoreen.com
 
2013-07-28 08:15:55 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-28 08:17:03 PM  
His Himmler rookie card is worth more than I'll make in my lifetime.
 
2013-07-28 08:26:19 PM  
He really likes Nazis.
 
2013-07-28 08:30:15 PM  
More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?
 
2013-07-28 08:33:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.
 
2013-07-28 08:37:28 PM  

staplermofo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.


I heard he has the world's largest Gobot collection.
 
2013-07-28 08:42:33 PM  
stopbeck.com

I, for one, am shocked...
 
2013-07-28 08:43:04 PM  

LordOfThePings: staplermofo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.

I heard he has the world's largest Gobot collection.


I thought it was Beanie Babies.
 
2013-07-28 09:03:10 PM  

staplermofo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.


That's actually pretty defensive, de Klerk was a relatively good dude. PW Botha maybe more appropriate.
 
2013-07-28 09:08:57 PM  
a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.
 
2013-07-28 09:09:40 PM  
still better than being a brony.
 
2013-07-28 09:10:44 PM  
So, he collects historic relics.  Who cares.  Untwist your panties and move on.
 
2013-07-28 09:11:53 PM  
So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?
 
2013-07-28 09:12:22 PM  
Beck has often drawn parallels between Nazi history and contemporary American politics

Well that's his problem right there: he should be comparing contemporary American politics to the fall of the Roman republic.  That or the fall of the Galactic republic.
 
2013-07-28 09:12:51 PM  
That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.
 
2013-07-28 09:13:02 PM  
I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.
 
2013-07-28 09:13:24 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


Sounds like a very good thing to have around if anyone ever finds a grave that they think is his and want to check?
 
2013-07-28 09:13:49 PM  

Propain_az: So, he collects historic relics.  Who cares.  Untwist your panties and move on.


Those were my thoughts, but you expressed them better than I would have.
 
2013-07-28 09:13:55 PM  
The exhibition occupied two small rooms and brought together a panoply of objects spanning three centuries. Early American currency was presented alongside 18th century Bibles, sculptures of simian "slaves" and presidential memorabilia. Many of these items derived from the personal collection of David Barton, a publisher of tea party literature.

Also, a known deliberate liar for Jesus.

If anyone should be pictured under the dictionary word for "scum," it should be this ass bag.

Link
 
2013-07-28 09:15:00 PM  
If ~any~ article needed the Obvious tag, this one was it.
 
2013-07-28 09:15:25 PM  

Propain_az: So, he collects historic relics.  Who cares.  Untwist your panties and move on.


Yeah, I'm sure he's not a Nazi fanboy. Good luck with that.
 
2013-07-28 09:16:05 PM  

staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.


I've seen some pretty sick porn on this here internet, but you, sir, have just put the poop frosting on the vomit cake.

You disgust me.
 
2013-07-28 09:16:12 PM  
How could you nazi that coming?

/someone was going to do it
 
2013-07-28 09:17:44 PM  
I think I saw this episode of Supernatural.
 
2013-07-28 09:18:23 PM  
NO!
 
2013-07-28 09:19:11 PM  
poop frosting on the vomit cake

thats not a perfect album name or anything..
 
2013-07-28 09:19:55 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.
 
2013-07-28 09:20:28 PM  
Does Beck also have his own Barbie museum?
 
2013-07-28 09:20:42 PM  
They were simpler times, when the strong didn't have to wipe the chin of the weak! When the working man didn't kiss the feet of the poor and destitute! Today, we claim victory over falsehood, tomorrow, the world! Hail victory! Hail victory!
 
2013-07-28 09:20:48 PM  
I heard he's got Rommell's buttplug, too.
 
2013-07-28 09:20:52 PM  
Obvious tag in the oven?
 
2013-07-28 09:22:41 PM  
The subject of Nazi memorabilia is a weird one for me, on the one hand it is important these artifacts are preserved and displayed, on the other hand the private trade for profit of such memorabilia strikes me as morally wrong. However, I am aware that museums can't take and display everything so private collections serve an important purpose.  So I guess I don't know what to think about the collectors.

What I do know is displaying them at what amounts to a political rally, by a cut rate political hack is extremely tacky.
 
2013-07-28 09:22:48 PM  
Actually, I did see this coming.
 
2013-07-28 09:23:28 PM  
This doesn't surprise me at all. He has a serious fascination with Socialism and Fascism.
 
2013-07-28 09:24:53 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I've seen some pretty sick porn on this here internet, but you, sir, have just put the poop frosting on the vomit cake.

You disgust me.


It's less disgusting than when he talks, you've gotta admit that.
 
2013-07-28 09:25:20 PM  
This does not actually lower my opinion of Glenn Beck.

Only because it cannot get any lower.
 
2013-07-28 09:27:08 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-28 09:27:46 PM  

staplermofo: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I've seen some pretty sick porn on this here internet, but you, sir, have just put the poop frosting on the vomit cake.

You disgust me.

It's less disgusting than when he talks, you've gotta admit that.


... Ok, my outrage has reluctantly subsided.

For now.
 
2013-07-28 09:29:36 PM  

stonelotus: still better than being a brony.


You mean running around peddling lies & half truths for a profit while having a messianic complex is better than being a fan of children's cartoon?


Um, okay.
 
2013-07-28 09:30:08 PM  
As if it wasn't readily apparent from the glorious sheen of his whitish blonde Aryan hair.
 
2013-07-28 09:32:38 PM  
Yet toes the AIPAC line, what strange bed-fellowes...
 
2013-07-28 09:32:44 PM  

staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.


www.mullocksauctions.co.uk
 
2013-07-28 09:33:31 PM  
Propain_az

So, he collects historic relics. Who cares. Untwist your panties and move on.[/qote]

^This. More whining from the left. Who gives a fark
 
2013-07-28 09:34:20 PM  

grokca: Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.


The scientist who cloned Dolly the Sheep did die mysteriously a couple months ago...
 
2013-07-28 09:34:51 PM  

Tom_Slick: The subject of Nazi memorabilia is a weird one for me, on the one hand it is important these artifacts are preserved and displayed, on the other hand the private trade for profit of such memorabilia strikes me as morally wrong. However, I am aware that museums can't take and display everything so private collections serve an important purpose.  So I guess I don't know what to think about the collectors.

What I do know is displaying them at what amounts to a political rally, by a cut rate political hack is extremely tacky.


Yep, that's my opinion as well.
 
2013-07-28 09:37:11 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Propain_az: So, he collects historic relics.  Who cares.  Untwist your panties and move on.

Yeah, I'm sure he's not a Nazi fanboy. Good luck with that.


Yeah. Say he liked knives and had a collection that included K-Bars (USMC), Sykes-Fairbairns (SAS) and maybe an SS Dagger and Hitler Youth knife, that would be a normal thing for a collector of WW2 memorabilia.

A collection of nothing but Nazi artifacts? Sounds suspect.

/whichever one GB is, fark him anally with a rusty chainsaw
 
2013-07-28 09:38:38 PM  
obvious tag...
 
2013-07-28 09:39:53 PM  

dj_bigbird: I don't have a Nazi captain obvious
[www.andyandnoreen.com image 406x541]


i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-28 09:41:25 PM  
There are genuine historic collections which contain items who's original owner was wicked, and then there is having a signed copy of Mein Kampf and a sample of Hitler's blood......
 
2013-07-28 09:42:27 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


Yeah.  I have several German WWII firearms and an Iron Cross.  Uncle has a flag off a Nazi destroyer (grandfather's brother brought it back).  Those are memorabilia.

Signed crap, love letters, BLOOD?  Yeah, that's getting into creepy territory.
 
2013-07-28 09:43:46 PM  

remus: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

Sounds like a very good thing to have around if anyone ever finds a grave that they think is his and want to check?


Probably a fake anyway.
 
2013-07-28 09:45:30 PM  

Tom_Slick: The subject of Nazi memorabilia is a weird one for me, on the one hand it is important these artifacts are preserved and displayed, on the other hand the private trade for profit of such memorabilia strikes me as morally wrong. However, I am aware that museums can't take and display everything so private collections serve an important purpose.  So I guess I don't know what to think about the collectors.

What I do know is displaying them at what amounts to a political rally, by a cut rate political hack is extremely tacky.


I feel the same way.  It's important, I feel, that we understand the rise of the Nazis and that we remain vigilant that the circumstances are never favorable to anything similar happening again.

On the other hand, this little display is a celebration, not historical preservation.  It bears no relation to any historical study of the matter, aside from the physical presence of the artifacts.
 
2013-07-28 09:47:27 PM  

OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark


NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant
 
2013-07-28 09:48:26 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: LordOfThePings: staplermofo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.

I heard he has the world's largest Gobot collection.

I thought it was Beanie Babies.


No, the Beanie Babies are an investment.  When the economy collapses from the Feds' unstoppable printing presses nobody will be laughing when Beck can buy the entire state of Rhode Island with Peanut the Royal Blue Elephant.
 
2013-07-28 09:48:32 PM  

grokca: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.


cinema1544.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-28 09:49:17 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.

[www.mullocksauctions.co.uk image 850x1170]


Is that Dean Wormer?
 
2013-07-28 09:51:55 PM  
A friend of mine had a neighbor who was a WWII German vet.  This man corresponded with Otto Skorzeny, Hans Rudel, and Karl Donitz after the war.   My friend was given all these letters shortly before the old man's death.  I think he has 10 letters signed by Skorzeny, I believe 30 letters, post cards and such signed by Rudel and half dozen or so letters signed by Donitz.

Any collectors out there want to make me an offer?
 
2013-07-28 09:52:24 PM  
Remind me sometime to show you my collection of Hitler paintings.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-07-28 09:53:01 PM  

gaspode: There are genuine historic collections which contain items who's original owner was wicked, and then there is having a signed copy of Mein Kampf and a sample of Hitler's blood......


Oh, so much this...
 
2013-07-28 09:53:18 PM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


I agree that preserving history is important, and we shouldn't try to white-wash the past, but it seems somehow wrong to be a personal collector, that almost crosses the line into admiration, sort of like people who collect serial killer memorabilia.  Such items should belong to museums and historical societies, not personal collections IMO.
 
2013-07-28 09:53:47 PM  
OnlyM3:

This. More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

STFU When you guys stop biatching about Obama's Birth Certificate then we can talk....
 
2013-07-28 09:54:55 PM  
When Beck discovers all profits from gold speculation went to buy fakes for his secret shrine, it'll be just like when he found his valuable collection of celebrity porn was photoshopped.


americablog.com
 
2013-07-28 09:55:03 PM  
I got your Nazi memorabilia right here.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-28 09:55:15 PM  

dj_bigbird: I don't have a Nazi captain obvious
[www.andyandnoreen.com image 406x541]


That's really eerie: I'm almost certain that's a Photoshop of my college roommate.  (Original name's not Obvious, or obvious- he's now a retired light colonel working in the vast MIC)
 
2013-07-28 09:56:27 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Tom_Slick: The subject of Nazi memorabilia is a weird one for me, on the one hand it is important these artifacts are preserved and displayed, on the other hand the private trade for profit of such memorabilia strikes me as morally wrong. However, I am aware that museums can't take and display everything so private collections serve an important purpose.  So I guess I don't know what to think about the collectors.

What I do know is displaying them at what amounts to a political rally, by a cut rate political hack is extremely tacky.

I feel the same way.  It's important, I feel, that we understand the rise of the Nazis and that we remain vigilant that the circumstances are never favorable to anything similar happening again.

On the other hand, this little display is a celebration, not historical preservation.  It bears no relation to any historical study of the matter, aside from the physical presence of the artifacts.


He's trying to appear like some sort of historian.
 
2013-07-28 09:57:57 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


I agree, plus, who wants the autograph of someone they opposite of admire? I'm going out on a limb and saying he does admit Hitler.
 
2013-07-28 09:58:14 PM  
Not defending Beck in any way, but Lemmy from Motorhead, David Bowie and Mick Jagger all have collections of Nazi stuff.
 
2013-07-28 09:59:17 PM  

Fissile: Not defending Beck in any way, but Lemmy from Motorhead, David Bowie and Mick Jagger all have collections of Nazi stuff.


Musicians get a pass because punk rock was very Nazi-centric for the first decade or so.
 
2013-07-28 10:01:11 PM  

Fissile: Not defending Beck in any way, but Lemmy from Motorhead, David Bowie and Mick Jagger all have collections of Nazi stuff.


Yeah, but it's a thing among rock stars (and Lemmy) to collect wacky shiat.


Beck regularly makes Nazi comparisons to things on his show, dresses up like one for book covers, and now has this.
 
2013-07-28 10:02:03 PM  

WordsnCollision: grokca: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.

[cinema1544.files.wordpress.com image 672x451]


==========

No one cares about Hitler's bloody handkerchief.  They saved Hitler's brain.

www.monsterbashnews.com
 
2013-07-28 10:02:41 PM  
You know who ELSE really liked Nazi memorabilia?
 
2013-07-28 10:02:41 PM  

Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant


That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today
 
2013-07-28 10:03:43 PM  

Next week's Tom Sawyer: Remind me sometime to show you my collection of Hitler paintings.

[www.blogcdn.com image 240x205]


Great episode.

As for Glenn, It's creepy, but not really surprising. At that level of wealth, collections often consist of things a lot more unsettling than baseball cards.

Reminds me of those musicians that tried to collect Gacy painitings.
 
2013-07-28 10:04:43 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.

I've seen some pretty sick porn on this here internet, but you, sir, have just put the poop frosting on the vomit cake.

You disgust me.


Who, Glenn Beck or staplermofo?
 
2013-07-28 10:04:49 PM  

Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant


Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?
 
2013-07-28 10:05:28 PM  
His Very Private collection, which he wears at all times, includes Hitler's favorite pair of crotchless  panties, and  Goering's ceremonial dress nipple clamps.
 
2013-07-28 10:05:35 PM  

Fissile: Not defending Beck in any way, but Lemmy from Motorhead, David Bowie and Mick Jagger all have collections of Nazi stuff.


Lemmy had a great line about that in his biopic. Lemmy's dated a number of Jewish women over the years, black women, etc. No indication he's a white supremacist or Nazi sympathizer. He said, "If the Israeli Army had the coolest looking uniforms, I'd wear theirs."

Hugo Boss designs your gear, people are gonna want to wear it.
 
2013-07-28 10:06:16 PM  

elffster: poop frosting on the vomit cake

thats not a perfect album name or anything..


If not, it's pretty damn close.
 
2013-07-28 10:07:32 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


↑↑↑  A thousand times this.

The bloody hankie and Göring's love letters are what push it from the realm of scholarly interest to "why in the wide, wide world of sports would you want such a thing?!"

/and no, not surprised by the memorabilia.  Surprised by the relics though.
 
2013-07-28 10:09:50 PM  
I have a series of books of the Pictorial History of the Third Reich.  Got it from my dad.  Haven't looked at them in ages, but when I was younger it was a damn grim reminder that yeah, this happened, Hitler was a human being, and figuring out how that happened instead of demonizing him as simply a monster was an important thing to do.  Pretty sure I scared a friend of a friend a little bit when I pulled one of those books from the shelf, but I'm sure as hell not going to give them away even if I haven't opened them in years upon years (lest they fall into the wrong hands, to say the least).  It's a grim reminder of how low things can get and that's all.

But collecting memorabilia, sh-t... I never, ever EVER got that.  Unless it was passed through a relative who took it away from the goddamn Nazis.

Blathering Idjut: On the other hand, this little display is a celebration, not historical preservation.  It bears no relation to any historical study of the matter, aside from the physical presence of the artifacts.


Or I could just say THIS.
 
2013-07-28 10:11:04 PM  

LordJiro: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?


Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
 
2013-07-28 10:11:11 PM  

LordJiro: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?


See, I was unclear*, until you and Mugato chimed in, LJ, but Slarty there actually was saying that socialism and National Socialism (i.e., Fascism) are the same thing, isn't he?


*I'm heavily medicated today, thanks to what is probably a slipped disc.

/I've a coworker who thinks the same thing.
//I can't correct him; he's got a door for his office, so doesn't listen to "lower" opinions.
 
2013-07-28 10:12:29 PM  

Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant


Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals.
 
2013-07-28 10:12:30 PM  

flyinglizard: elffster: poop frosting on the vomit cake

thats not a perfect album name or anything..

If not, it's pretty damn close.


Our debut album out September 17th.

Buy it, or we'll murder the Jews.
 
2013-07-28 10:13:25 PM  
Rick Harrison has a good policy on that kind of Nazi crap. "I don't want it in my shop."

Funny how the guys selling Nazi memorabilia at gun shows always seem to have Klan stuff and racist anti-Obama bumper stickers.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:05 PM  
Hmm... Our lawyer is advising we come up with a new slogan. Where's the edit button on this thing?
 
2013-07-28 10:14:41 PM  
Let's try that again.

i463.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-28 10:15:03 PM  

Fissile: Not defending Beck in any way, but Lemmy from Motorhead, David Bowie and Mick Jagger all have collections of Nazi stuff.


Beck is a perfectly good musician in his own right, even if "E-Pro" is overplayed.
 
2013-07-28 10:15:04 PM  

gaspode: There are genuine historic collections which contain items who's original owner was wicked, and then there is having a signed copy of Mein Kampf and a sample of Hitler's blood......


I think we have a moment of clarity here.

/also, f*ck Glenn Beck and anyone who smells like him
 
2013-07-28 10:15:14 PM  

atomic-age: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

I agree, plus, who wants the autograph of someone they opposite of admire? I'm going out on a limb and saying he does admit Hitler.


admire.
 
2013-07-28 10:16:01 PM  

stonelotus: still better than being a brony.


fc02.deviantart.net
 
2013-07-28 10:16:12 PM  
so collecting nazi memorabilia makes you a nazi.  good to know.
 
2013-07-28 10:16:53 PM  
True story:  I knew this guy whose dad collected Nazi stuff.  He had this office that had a Nazi flag and a big Nazi eagle on the desk and whatnot.  It was pretty cool in a morbid way.

So, he used to trap squirrels and kill them by putting them in a bag and wrapping it around the tailpipe of his Cadillac.  Basically, he had a Treblinka for squirrels.

I threw up in his Nazi trashcan when I was 19.  Good times.
 
2013-07-28 10:18:43 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals.


Actually, the early Nazi party had strong socialist leanings. That was one of the major sources of tension between Roehm and Hitler; Roehm wanted an actual revolution to bring down the capitalists, and Hitler wanted more of a fascist-style autocracy with heavy government ties to privately owned corporations. Roehm lost that argument on the Night of the Long Knives, and there was no more talk about socialist revolution in Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had much larger state involvement in the economy than "capitalist" countries, but the Fuehrer Prinzip is completely foreign to what the Reds were aiming for in their ideas of international socialism. Stalin had no ideology; he was just a gangster.
 
2013-07-28 10:19:15 PM  
Wait... maybe he is just a fan of Hogan's Heros?
3.bp.blogspot.com
It was a cool show...
 
2013-07-28 10:19:29 PM  

Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today


================

Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.
 
2013-07-28 10:20:28 PM  
No you are.
 
2013-07-28 10:20:40 PM  

stoli n coke: Next week's Tom Sawyer: Remind me sometime to show you my collection of Hitler paintings.

[www.blogcdn.com image 240x205]

Great episode.

As for Glenn, It's creepy, but not really surprising. At that level of wealth, collections often consist of things a lot more unsettling than baseball cards.

Reminds me of those musicians that tried to collect Gacy painitings.


I agree. Fantastic episode. Zimmerman's performance was outstanding.
 
2013-07-28 10:23:21 PM  
I am really impressed by the bit where Hitler-fanboys raising comments is "left wing whining".  Whatever group you identify with must be exceptionally proud to have you as a fellow member.

HEAR ME, VILE THREAD!
THE POWER OF FARK COMPELS YOU!
I BANISH THEE BACK TO THE FOUL DEPTHS OF THE POLITICS TAB-
BEGONE!

/ceremony must need more hitler blood to be effective. Anyone know where I can get some?
 
2013-07-28 10:24:45 PM  
Detectives have speculated that the rape and murder happened in the attic after an Anne Frank role playing fetish went terribly awry.
 
2013-07-28 10:25:13 PM  
The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.
 
2013-07-28 10:28:04 PM  

Marshal805: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

You mean running around peddling lies & half truths for a profit while having a messianic complex is better than being a fan of children's cartoon?


Um, okay.


When you're over 15, yes. At least he's making money from his weirdo backward belief system
 
2013-07-28 10:28:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: On the other hand, this little display is a celebration, not historical preservation.  It bears no relation to any historical study of the matter, aside from the physical presence of the artifacts.


Sorta CSB: A few years ago a relative was looking for furniture to match a quasi-antique they had, so my wife and I scoured the antique shops in various nearby towns to try and find a match.  One weekend we visited 3 or 4 shops in southwestern Ontario, different towns all.  But every store had a minor horde of Nazi memorabilia hidden away in the detritus.  Some of it was well-aged and clearly of the proper vintage.  Other stuff was bizarro-land home-made accent pieces, like a crocheted Kriegsmarine jack that had been lovingly framed.  You see things like that and you wonder; a) what kind of antiques dealer thinks crap like that is worth presenting for sale, and b) do you really want the business from the kind of fruitcake that thinks it's worth buying?

I took a bunch of photos of the weirder stuff, but can't remember where I archived it on the LAN.
 
2013-07-28 10:29:25 PM  
Those Jews running the Holocaust museum?  Sekrit Nazis.
 
2013-07-28 10:29:55 PM  

stonelotus: still better than being a brony.


At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:00 PM  
If you have some Nazi Luger or knife that grandpa pulled off a dead German, that's one thing, but if you have what could be called a collection? Yeah, you need help. Don't give me that "preserving history" crap. If you want to preserve history, give it to a museum.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:10 PM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


I agree.  If not black, then white.  If we don't want to forget history, we must obsess over it.  To acknowledge middle ground is to acknowledge that one day a black guy might be president.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:16 PM  

jtown: The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.


Why won't Glenn Beck answer accusations that he dresses up in an SS uniform and pays guys at the Home Depot to choke him while he jerks off in the shower?  People are saying this is true.  Why won't he answer these accusations?
 
2013-07-28 10:30:52 PM  

Fissile: Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today

================

Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.


Yes, but when it came down to acts rather than words, Hitler kowtowed to the Krupps and Siemenses of Germany. Hitler knew that the army and the major corporate owners could destroy him, and he coopted them while still talking a lot of noise about destroying "capitalism." Nazi Germany had a large "socialist" public sector (like every modern country today), but they weren't anything like the Soviet Union.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:52 PM  
www.soundonsight.org
Approves.
 
2013-07-28 10:31:09 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Does Beck also have his own Barbie museum?


What you did there, I see it...
 
2013-07-28 10:31:22 PM  

Thurston Howell: a crocheted Kriegsmarine jack that had been lovingly framed.


As a knitter and crocheter I would love to see that.
 
2013-07-28 10:32:15 PM  
Does that collection include any large turrets?
 
2013-07-28 10:32:26 PM  
For no particular reason:

9.asset.soup.io
 
2013-07-28 10:32:48 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.

I've seen some pretty sick porn on this here internet, but you, sir, have just put the poop frosting on the vomit cake.

You disgust me.


A friend of mine once wrote a Limbaugh/Beck snuff slash fic, just to prove he could.  Don't think he put it online though.

TuteTibiImperes: remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?

I agree that preserving history is important, and we shouldn't try to white-wash the past, but it seems somehow wrong to be a personal collector, that almost crosses the line into admiration, sort of like people who collect serial killer memorabilia.  Such items should belong to museums and historical societies, not personal collections IMO.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-28 10:32:57 PM  
I need context is any of the collection screen props from the sound of music becouse then it wold be ok
 
2013-07-28 10:33:43 PM  

Molavian: Those Jews running the Holocaust museum?  Sekrit Nazis.


Yes, but is it safe?
 
2013-07-28 10:34:18 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


4.bp.blogspot.com

"Who is it signed by?"
"Both Popes..."
 
2013-07-28 10:34:20 PM  

mbillips: Fissile: Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today

================

Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.

Yes, but when it came down to acts rather than words, Hitler kowtowed to the Krupps and Siemenses of Germany. Hitler knew that the army and the major corporate owners could destroy him, and he coopted them while still talking a lot of noise about destroying "capitalism." Nazi Germany had a large "socialist" public sector (like every modern country today), but they weren't anything like the Soviet Union.


===========

It's true that Hitler backpedaled to appease the German industrialists....he needed them.  It's also true that during the early years of the Nazi Party, Hitler instructed Nazi cadres to recruit new members from Germany's large communist party and not from the supporters of the Weimar regime.
 
2013-07-28 10:35:31 PM  
We're waiting on you Florida. Take us to the bridge.
/as James Brown would say ...Gb
 
2013-07-28 10:37:43 PM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


We've already forgotten, or we never learned in the first place. The most important thing to remember is that what went on behind the gates of Auschwitz was CLASSIFIED. Just like Operation Phoenix, Operation Condor, and all the other CIA clandestine para-military programs. That, and the fact that, when Germans came back from the east and said that those "resettled" Jews were being murdered, everybody said they were lying. Our good, honest, Christian German boys wouldn't do things like that... we're the good guys.
 
2013-07-28 10:39:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.


At least the Nazis were snappy dressers. On the other side, we have this:

1.bp.blogspot.com

Min you, we also apparently have this:

(Perhaps NSFW)
So I guess it's a tossup.
 
2013-07-28 10:39:23 PM  

mbillips: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals.

Actually, the early Nazi party had strong socialist leanings. That was one of the major sources of tension between Roehm and Hitler; Roehm wanted an actual revolution to bring down the capitalists, and Hitler wanted more of a fascist-style autocracy with heavy government ties to privately owned corporations. Roehm lost that argument on the Night of the Long Knives, and there was no more talk about socialist revolution in Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had much larger state involvement in the economy than "capitalist" countries, but the Fuehrer Prinzip is completely foreign to what the Reds were aiming for in their ideas of international socialism. Stalin had no ideology; he was just a gangster.


Defining state owned control / heavy government ties to privately owned corporations does not equal the definition of socialism currently levied against Obama.  And the current definition of a 'socialist state' is more about workers having control, albeit in theory, communism works.  In theory.

Anyway, my point was that current use of socialist as a derogatory term does not resemble what Hitler was going for, initially and especially later in the party.   But you are technically correct and in that sense I appreciate your post.  And totally agree about Stalin.  I can have a begrudging respect for Lenin sometimes, - *sometimes*, - but not Stalin.
 
2013-07-28 10:39:29 PM  

stonelotus: still better than being a brony.


This
 
2013-07-28 10:41:51 PM  

Space Station Wagon: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

This


It's nice to know in times of disagreement there are common points that we as a community can all adhere to.

Nevertheless, I feel compelled to post this:

imgs.xkcd.com

/furries, bronys, same difference

[ducks]
 
2013-07-28 10:43:11 PM  

mbillips: and Hitler wanted more of a fascist-style autocracy with heavy government ties to privately owned corporations


Sounds familiar. I wonder where $24+ T went this past "administration"?
 
2013-07-28 10:44:02 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Defining state owned control / heavy government ties to privately owned corporations does not equal the definition of socialism currently levied against Obama.


The definition of socialism levied against Obama is a fantasy of mouth-breathing idiots who wouldn't know an economic fact if it bit them on the penis.
 
2013-07-28 10:44:09 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Space Station Wagon: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

This

It's nice to know in times of disagreement there are common points that we as a community can all adhere to.

Nevertheless, I feel compelled to post this:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 587x561]

/furries, bronys, same difference

[ducks]


The haters have got to have someone to feel better than, it quiets the sad voices they hear when they look into the mirror.
 
2013-07-28 10:44:48 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: mbillips: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals.

Actually, the early Nazi party had strong socialist leanings. That was one of the major sources of tension between Roehm and Hitler; Roehm wanted an actual revolution to bring down the capitalists, and Hitler wanted more of a fascist-style autocracy with heavy government ties to privately owned corporations. Roehm lost that argument on the Night of the Long Knives, and there was no more talk about socialist revolution in Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had much larger state involvement in the economy than "capitalist" countries, but the Fuehrer Prinzip is completely foreign to what the Reds were aiming for in their ideas of international socialism. Stalin had no ideology; he was just a gangster.

Defining state owned control / heavy government ties to privately owned corporations does not equal the definition of socialism currently levied against Obama.  And the current definition of a 'socialist state' is more about workers having control, albeit in theory, communism works.  In theory.

Anyway, my point was that current use of socialist as a derogatory term does not resemble what Hitler was going for, initially and especially later in the party.   But you are technically correct and in that sense I appreciate your post.  And totally agree about Stalin.  I can have a begrudging respect for Lenin sometimes, - *sometimes*, - but not Stalin.


============

You believe that Hitler would have had any use for American style capitalism?    Had Nazi Germany defeated the USA,  I'm pretty sure Hitler would have had the Wall St types marched off to death camps in New Jersey.
 
2013-07-28 10:45:03 PM  
Who cares what the dumbass collects? Nazis are part of history and it would do us well to remember them. I'm Jewish and I don't care what he collects.
 
2013-07-28 10:45:53 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: At least the Nazis were snappy dressers. On the other side, we have this:


Meh. Some men look good in a dress.

Or so my girlfriend tells me. -shrug-
 
2013-07-28 10:46:39 PM  

kortex: Who cares what the dumbass collects? Nazis are part of history and it would do us well to remember them. I'm Jewish and I don't care what he collects.


The article focuses more on the poor, contextless display than the simple act of ownership.

This being Fark, we've just decided to focus on ownership and cry for a while.
 
2013-07-28 10:47:37 PM  
One of my friends grew up next door to a man who had served in the German Army during WWII.  My friend once asked him what he thought about American neo-Nazis.  The old guy replied,  "From what I see, most would never had made it through German Army training."
 
2013-07-28 10:49:11 PM  

Fissile: Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today

================

Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.


Bears repeating. In the 30's, the Germans had had about enough of free-market capitalism under the Weimar Republic, which had gotten them nothing but crippling hyperinflation and rampant unemployment; on the other hand, they absolutely did not want Communism as it was being touted by the Stalinist regime to their east, with all property being publicly owned. So the Nazis invented a "nationalist-socialist" package designed to appeal to both sides--enough capitalism to keep the Ruhr industrialists happy, yet social-oriented enough to make the liberals comfortable with them. All it had to do was last long enough to get the Nazis into the Reichstag, which it did.
 
2013-07-28 10:52:34 PM  

Aarontology: I heard he's got Rommell's buttplug, too.


Dude, Rommel was an honourable man. Don't insult him.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:08 PM  
anyone who wants to dismiss this as anything other than "admiration for the Nazi's by Glen Beck" has learning issues.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:33 PM  
I'm torn between whether or not I should jump on the bandwagon about questioning Beck's motives, because the article writer is a clear example of how much of a twat one can look like when one jumps to conclusions for the sake of outrage attention whoring.
 
2013-07-28 10:56:01 PM  
To start, I can't help wondering what prompted Beck to collect such macabre objects and include them among his personal belongings. What are the virtues of owning Göring's love letters, Hitler's signature or a few drops of his blood?

To be fair, history is history. If a museum had this stuff, people wouldn't think twice. It doesn't matter how important YOU think it is, collecting any piece of history, especially from an era where they tried so hard to wipe everything out, is important. Considering that Beck has apparently not tried to put any context to this though, seems to make it more about a personal collection than neutrally collecting things for their historical significance.

Surely, harboring such items adheres to a personality cult and suggests a sympathizer rather than a critic. The very presence of these objects begs the question: How does this material survive?

As I said above, it's all the context in how it is presented. Just throwing it together without any kind of explanation about WHY it is in the exhibit definitely makes it sound more like a happy collector though. I agree with that. It survives 2 ways: 1. Legitimate collectors, such as museums and even private collectors who save stuff, no matter how trivial, so we DO have a link to the past. 2. The Nazi sympathiser types who are excited and proud to own these things and like to show them off, even place them in some kind of shrine.

The proximity of the bloody handkerchief with Anne Frank's diary was deeply offensive, and insensitive to Salt Lake City's Jewish community. Among them are Holocaust survivors and their descendants, including myself, who found this profoundly distasteful.

Once again, it's about context. These things could be presented in the same exhibit, if done correctly. Done this way, and it doesn't really help any claims might make about not being a racist.

To add insult to injury, Beck's displays were met with complete apathy by the citizens of Salt Lake City. Visitors wound their way through the room in an almost robotic torpor, demonstrating neither revulsion nor too much interest either.

Yeah, they should have burned the hotel down, right? Have you stopped to think that many people didn't know what to expect, saw this stuff, and decided not to make a scene, since they really couldn't have done anything except draw bad press for themselves. It wouldn't have damaged Beck any more if there were picketers out front, and protesters pretty much get written off by the news media today and treated with disdain, no matter the cause. He's a private citizen in a free country, you want to have him arrested for having no taste?

Nor has there been any comment in the press or media.

I always like how a statement like this in in a story in the news media.

The Klan hood just fits with the rest of the tasteless stuff, but I'm not sure why the swastika banner is such a "bad" thing, considering it was used in the trials that brought justice to the Jewish people. Hell, that would be a cool thing to own, IMHO, the bad guy's flag flown at the place where they got their asses handed to them? It would be different if it was one of the flags flown at a concentration camp. To me, this is a symbol of the fall of the most notorious racists in history.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:01 PM  
Dear Ilse,

My deares sweethear, today I bravely FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

Sincerely,
Your dearest
Hermann Farking Goering
 
2013-07-28 10:57:33 PM  

Fissile: StreetlightInTheGhetto: mbillips: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals.

Actually, the early Nazi party had strong socialist leanings. That was one of the major sources of tension between Roehm and Hitler; Roehm wanted an actual revolution to bring down the capitalists, and Hitler wanted more of a fascist-style autocracy with heavy government ties to privately owned corporations. Roehm lost that argument on the Night of the Long Knives, and there was no more talk about socialist revolution in Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had much larger state involvement in the economy than "capitalist" countries, but the Fuehrer Prinzip is completely foreign to what the Reds were aiming for in their ideas of international socialism. Stalin had no ideology; he was just a gangster.

Defining state owned control / heavy government ties to privately owned corporations does not equal the definition of socialism currently levied against Obama.  And the current definition of a 'socialist state' is more about workers having control, albeit in theory, communism works.  In theory.

Anyway, my point was that current use of socialist as a derogatory term does not resemble what Hitler was going for, initially and especially later in the party.   But you are technically correct and in that sense I appreciate your post.  And totally agree about Stalin.  I can have a begrudging respect for Lenin sometimes, - *sometimes*, - but not Stalin.

============

You believe that Hitler would have had any use for American style capitalism?    Had Nazi Germany defeated the USA,  I'm pretty sure Hitler would have had the Wall St types marched off to death camps in New Jersey.


My grandfather lived in pre-Third Reich Germany, between the wars, before he went to America (had my dad incredibly old).  Most of his friends, who were the workers rights type, got shuffled off to random camps by the Nazis when they came into power.  Agitators, etc.  Whereas my grandfather was relatively lucky in just having to fight for basic workers rights when he was in the US.

So if the Wall St types agreed to be a means to an end?  Certainly I can see them being an active and willing part of the regime.  Sycophantic yes-men and all.
 
2013-07-28 10:59:24 PM  

Kibbler: Dear Ilse,

My deares sweethear, today I bravely FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

Sincerely,
Your dearest
Hermann Farking Goering


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW here have a slice of vomit cake with p00p frosting you creep

/runs out of thread doing dry heaves
 
2013-07-28 10:59:32 PM  

elffster: poop frosting on the vomit cake

thats not a perfect album name or anything..


shouldn't that be vomit frosting on a poop cake?
 
2013-07-28 11:01:48 PM  

Propain_az: So, he collects historic relics.  Who cares.  Untwist your panties and move on.


Sorry, he collects historic relics from racist assholes, and then doesn't bother to display them in a way that in no way separates them from a young woman who came to symbolize the killing and persecution of a race of people. You display it in a way that shows that you AREN'T a racist, and in a way that demonstrates that you know the difference between Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler, and then they ARE just historical relics, you throw all the shait together with no context, and you're either a clueless douchebag or a racist, Nazi loving douchebag.
 
2013-07-28 11:02:04 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I got your Nazi memorabilia right here.
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2013-07-28 11:03:25 PM  

mbillips: Yes, but when it came down to acts rather than words, Hitler kowtowed to the Krupps and Siemenses of Germany.


I think you have that backwards.  The Krupps and Siemenses were happy to go along with Hitler, because he was keeping them in business.  At the very beginning of the Third Reich, before he had completely consolidated his power, it is true that Hitler was wary of offending the military-industrial complex of Germany, but they never controlled him.  By the time WWII broke out, though, he controlled them fairly completely.  He didn't dance to their tune, they danced to his.  Industrialists who didn't toe the line were sidelined or even arrested:  Look at what happened to Fritz Thyssen.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:42 PM  

atomic-age: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

I agree, plus, who wants the autograph of someone they opposite of admire? I'm going out on a limb and saying he does admit Hitler.


Admit him where? The treehouse?
 
2013-07-28 11:05:03 PM  
Beck:  Tomorrow, I meet Sarah Palin and family for the first time. I'm actually a little nervous - as she is one of the only people that I can see that can possibly lead us out of where we are. I don't know yet if she's strong enough, if she's well enough advised, or if she knows she can no longer trust anyone...

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2013-07-28 11:09:19 PM  

NephilimNexus: I'm torn between whether or not I should jump on the bandwagon about questioning Beck's motives, because the article writer is a clear example of how much of a twat one can look like when one jumps to conclusions for the sake of outrage attention whoring.


Makes you wonder what her FARK handle is.
 
2013-07-28 11:10:06 PM  
stopbeck.com

Old white people hold up a poster of this man, and scream "GAZE UPON A PATRIOT~!!"
 
2013-07-28 11:11:00 PM  

jtown: The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.


Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.


I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.
 
2013-07-28 11:16:00 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry, he collects historic relics from racist assholes, and then doesn't bother to display them in a way that in no way separates them from a young woman who came to symbolize the killing and persecution of a race of people. You display it in a way that shows that you AREN'T a racist, and in a way that demonstrates that you know the difference between Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler, and then they ARE just historical relics, you throw all the shait together with no context, and you're either a clueless douchebag or a racist, Nazi loving douchebag.


Precisely.  Even if Beck was trying to do something relatively benign but hilariously inept; i.e. thought Obama was the second coming of Hitler, and was trying to draw that equivalence, then one would jam a few Obama artifacts in there and maybe a couple of placards with info-blurbs about how they relate.  And if you can't do that much, maybe just a table between the two with a stack of his book (that presumably tells the reader how one political leader is like the other).

But as the writer notes, the primary exhibit is early Americana/Revolutionary War junk; the Nazi relics are a secondary exhibit.  They don't really compute or relate (except in the vaguest sense of being "historical junk").  And if you think they do relate, you at least owe the audience a tiny bit of explanation.  Even the laziest of modern artists who shart on a sheet and then put it up in a private gallery generally have enough sense to include a blurb in the exhibition, telling the too-dumb-to-realise-at-first-glance bourgeoisie that the sheet represents the world's innate capacity for peace and goodness, and the shart represents the ugliness of Western consumerism and corporate oligopoly).  They know nobody is going to make the same connection without a little hand-holding.   Hell, not even Grade 1 kids in a science fair get away with exhibits without context.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:43 PM  

Mikey1969: To start, I can't help wondering what prompted Beck to collect such macabre objects and include them among his personal belongings. What are the virtues of owning Göring's love letters, Hitler's signature or a few drops of his blood?

To be fair, history is history. If a museum had this stuff, people wouldn't think twice. It doesn't matter how important YOU think it is, collecting any piece of history, especially from an era where they tried so hard to wipe everything out, is important. Considering that Beck has apparently not tried to put any context to this though, seems to make it more about a personal collection than neutrally collecting things for their historical significance.


There's a fairly bright line between documenting history and fetishizing it. If the "curator" of this "collection" were a learning-disabled adult who found all this crap in his grandfather's attic, I'd be inclined to write it off as an accidental example of poor taste from an individual who would not be expected to understand the significance of the items, or the horrific taste in the manner which they were displayed. Beck is a well-educated author and one of the best propagandists of our current culture. He's quite adept in explaining the significance and history of artifacts and symbols, and using them to create emotionally evocative stories.

I can't help but be impressed by his talent and focus on his market. My recognition causes me not to admire him, but to feel a nausea which I can only compare with the sensations I experienced a couple hours after eating pasta contaminated with E Coli several years ago.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:43 PM  

Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny.


False. People don't try to be funny in the Politics tab. The laughs come from idiocy, not effort.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:56 PM  
I have a pre war  copy of Mein Kampf published in newspaper form and sold by California Democrat Alan Cranston.  He sold 500,000 of them for ten cents with no royalties going to Hitler.

(from google)...   Cranston said  that their 10-cent tabloid was hardly competition for the , $3 Houghton Mifflin hardback.
The trials were among the oddest in American jurisprudence. Their arguments set precedents and provoked a spate of stories in newspapers, popular magazines and legal journals.
In June, 1939, the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York ruled that Stackpole Sons indeed had infringed on Hitler's copyright. In July, the U.S. District Court followed suit and ordered Cranston's bootleg press stopped.
"Then we had to throw away half a million copies," Cranston said, laughing...

 Wow  - This has it all - Nazis ,Democrats bootlegging, and stealing book royalties, wonder what Beck would pay for THAT!
 
2013-07-28 11:19:02 PM  

Thurston Howell: Hell, not even Grade 1 kids in a science fair get away with exhibits without context.


Of course, I think it's going to be a few more years before Beck is on a level with first graders. He's working hard though, and may surprise us all by being ready early.
 
2013-07-28 11:19:11 PM  

Cataholic: NephilimNexus: I'm torn between whether or not I should jump on the bandwagon about questioning Beck's motives, because the article writer is a clear example of how much of a twat one can look like when one jumps to conclusions for the sake of outrage attention whoring.


Yeah, this is literally the dumbest thing I've read all day:

"The very presence of these objects begs the question: How does this material survive?...The survival of such 'memorabilia' can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch."


...or, you know, any kid who was given a rifle and a helmet and wanted a souvenir.
 
2013-07-28 11:23:58 PM  
I have some Al Capone, and Jack the Ripper newspapers hanging in the bar. Also a paper announcing the end of the first world war. I have looked at propaganda posters from all countries during the '40's, and leaflets. Interesting stuff to me. Don't care to have a shrine of tyrant blood, but I enjoy a peep at past occurrences, and items related to them. He can cry, and pray, and twist one off all day while stroking the chancellor's cumrag. Don't go see see his crap if you don't like it.
 
2013-07-28 11:24:57 PM  

Intel154: Marcus Aurelius: I got your Nazi memorabilia right here.
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Bless you, my fellow citizen.

My father navigated B-17s out of Italy from early 44 to the exit ramp.  He never did like to talk about it.  But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.  The debriefings make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
 
2013-07-28 11:28:33 PM  
Lots of people collect stuff from WW2, which includes nazi stuff.  This is not a big deal.
 
2013-07-28 11:30:04 PM  

Mikey1969: hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.

I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


I dunno. I think the case could be made...

/Oh, bronies? Sorry. Thought we were talking about cloppers. My bad.

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2013-07-28 11:33:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.


Giggity?
 
2013-07-28 11:34:37 PM  
I'm part of the "not surprised" crowd.

I'm reminded, though, of my ex's family.

Her immediate family was Polish. Pure Polish as far as I knew. Her mother was very... "pro Polish" which is a kind way of saying "pro Aryan." At first my ex told me that it's best to hide my ethnicity. I'm half Mexican. I have brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair. I also speak with a General American (neutral, "newscaster" English) dialect, speak more French and Japanese than Spanish, and am the "Whitest Brown boy you'll ever meet". I'm a Wheat Cracker.

At first we told her that I was Hawaiian. We also hid the fact that we were dating at first. Her mother is also very controlling. In high school my ex was told, in no uncertain terms, that she was forbidden from dating this black boy that she liked. Her mother was very controlling and very much two faced. She tried to put on the perfect 50's house wife act in public but was a vitriolic, controlling, manipulative biatch behind closed doors. After her mother found out about us she tried, in various ways, to drive us apart.

Her mother tried to crate a stink over things that she made up and I never did. Her mother tried to act like she was delighted by me as if my ex was just using me to rebel against her mother. Etc, etc. After a while she saw that she wasn't going to be able to drive us apart, that I was here to stay, and that we would probably make a life together. At one point she said, in a depressed manner, that she felt bad for my ex as (since she was with me) she'd never have, "blond haired, blue eyed children." Which was extra funny/sad/annoying/hateful as my ex has hazel eyes and light brown hair. So, yeah. My ex's mother was a racist, pro Aryan biatch.

My ex's mother, aunts, and grandmother were born in Germany and emigrated to the US around 30 years ago. Her grandmother was pretty old and fondly remembers the time when she got to see Adolf Hitler in person.

I'm so damn glad that I have nothing to do with that family anymore.

/Bad breakup.
//Turns out the ex was as much of a two faced user as her mother.
///She just lied to herself about what she was doing as to not feel bad about it.
//Seven years wasted living in a one sided lie.
/I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
2013-07-28 11:34:52 PM  
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2013-07-28 11:37:21 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: /Bad breakup.
//Turns out the ex was as much of a two faced user as her mother.
///She just lied to herself about what she was doing as to not feel bad about it.
//Seven years wasted living in a one sided lie.
/I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.


You know what you need?  You need to wipe your tears on a handkerchief soaked in Hitler's blood!  From what I can gather, that wouldn't be weird at all.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


I did a fair bit of trading in war memorabilia while I was stationed in Germany. Not all of it was Nazi or even German, but the majority was. You can find some interesting items in attics and basements of homes owned by the same family that owned them during that era.

I know that some folks look down on people who are interested in such things. Just like those who look down on people who collect murder memorabilia. But, of the people I traded with semi-regularly, I only knew two people who were actually into the Nazi philosophy itself. Most were interested in collecting certain subsets, such as knives, uniforms, hats, etc... but they usually did not limit their collecting to any particular nation or era. These items, those that are authentic, have historical importance.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Marcus Aurelius: But we children had a way of digging into his most private parts, as all bad monkeys do.

Giggity?


I wish.  My old man's porn collection amounted to a couple of bad 60's "Our Man Flint" pot boilers, with "Flint" scratched out and the word "Penis" written in.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:26 PM  
The Wash DC Holocaust museum has Nazi memorabilia, and a Canadian war museum has Adolf Hitler's personal car on display. I've known a few old timers who picked up a few 'memorabilia' items when they were fighting the Nazis in WWII. Parts of the Berlin wall rest in NYC as a reminder, and parts of the WTC buildings were made into memorials all over the counrty. No Glenn Beck fan here, but how is collecting historical items or displaying them equal to agreeing with what they stood for? It's history: Plus. we should made sure to always display the ugly parts of our past so future generations do not commit the same atrocities. Ignorance of the past will allow it to repeat, because people won't recognize just what pure evil looks like if it ended up turning up in the world.

Not only do I think Nazi memorabilia should be displayed in museums, I think students should be exposed to Nazi propaganda films right next to the horrors that they caused. . . because they need to understand what evil looks like. Evil like that is never honest. The Nazis didn't parade around with holocaust pictures: They paraded around with 'gleaming banners' and tried to make their sick world view look appealing to it's targets. Perhaps if the German people had been exposed prior to the rise of Hitler to the atrocities of the past in a real way, they might have thought twice before 'democratically electing' him and millions of people (and millions more of their decedents) would have lived full, healthy, and happy lives.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:27 PM  

Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


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2013-07-28 11:49:55 PM  

Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.


Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?
 
2013-07-28 11:50:25 PM  

ciberido: Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.

Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?


You're getting Kurt Cobain confused with Anne Frank, a notorious Nazi.
 
2013-07-28 11:50:36 PM  

Fissile: A friend of mine had a neighbor who was a WWII German vet.  This man corresponded with Otto Skorzeny, Hans Rudel, and Karl Donitz after the war.   My friend was given all these letters shortly before the old man's death.  I think he has 10 letters signed by Skorzeny, I believe 30 letters, post cards and such signed by Rudel and half dozen or so letters signed by Donitz.

Any collectors out there want to make me an offer?


Well hopefully the originals end up in a museum where they can be preserved as long as possible, but since paper eventually falls apart please get them digitized and sent to someone like  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HathiTrust so they can not only be preserved forever but read by anyone with a computer.
 
2013-07-28 11:52:25 PM  
Glenn Beck may be nuttier than a fruitcake but I seriously doubt he's some kind of Nazi sympathizer. From what I do know of him I'd say he probably has an unhealthy fascination with history, but I guess everyone needs a hobby.
 
2013-07-28 11:53:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


That two-faced Göbbels-wannabe hypocrite is always assuring us how much he admires Martin Luther King, and in the next breath spewing off about Union Thugs. (What was King was doing in Memphis that day?) If King were still alive, Glenn Beck would be the loudest mouth on the airwaves calling him a communist.
 
2013-07-28 11:54:04 PM  

pedobearapproved: Marshal805: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

You mean running around peddling lies & half truths for a profit while having a messianic complex is better than being a fan of children's cartoon?


Um, okay.

When you're over 15, yes. At least he's making money from his weirdo backward belief system

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(Sigh)

Here's the thing.


1.) Beck (stupid as he is) can actually convince people to vote for certain candidates.

2.) The candidates he likes tend to be of the Bachmann/Santorum variety.

3) Having candidates  of that variety in places of power tend to lead to having the kind of inept, incompetent, hyper partisan Congress we are currently suffering under.

Get the picture?
 
2013-07-28 11:55:02 PM  

Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today


I think  OnlyM3 is Glenn Beck's alt.  Or rather, the account belonged to an intelligent young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990, after which it became Glenn Beck's alt.  Not that I'm implying any sort of connection, you understand.  I'm just saying first one thing happened, and then another thing did.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:28 PM  
The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

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http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png
 
2013-07-28 11:56:01 PM  

ciberido: Epicfarker: That blood soaked handkerchief was Hitler's. It most definitely did not belong to a young woman who was raped and murdered in 1990.

Are you suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a Nazi in 1990?


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2013-07-28 11:56:20 PM  

Speef: His Very Private collection, which he wears at all times, includes Hitler's favorite pair of crotchless  panties, and  Goering's ceremonial dress nipple clamps.


Wait, wait, wait, are you trying to tell me Glenn Beck is a lumberjack?
 
2013-07-28 11:58:51 PM  
Huh, when did Glenn Beck dye his hair an auburn?
 
2013-07-29 12:00:03 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


There's a difference between, say, the Holocaust Museum, and the badly-organized collection of a man who shows literally textbook signs of paranoid schizophrenia.
 
2013-07-29 12:00:14 AM  
The usual suspects defend Beck. Shocked, I am.
 
2013-07-29 12:01:09 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: This doesn't surprise me at all. He has a serious fascination with Socialism and Fascism.


He either supports Socialism/Fascism, or he's a Tea Party sympathizer.  You're probably masturbating to the thought of painting him as the ultimate bad guy, but you can't have it both ways.
 
2013-07-29 12:02:06 AM  

Fissile: Mugato: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.

/even more "left", "libs" bullshiat than usual today

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Yup, guys like Beck are tards, schizo, or both.

Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

The term Nazi is a portmanteau of national and socialist.   Education or job training were guaranteed to all Germans during the Nazi regime.   Universal health care was instituted for all Germans.  Job protections, including paid vacations, and old age pensions were guaranteed.  The Nazis undertook massive public works projects, including mass transit and construction of the autobahn.  On and on it went.  This is what Hitler had to say about capitalism: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."Hitler thought more highly of the Soviets than he did of the Americans.


"Portmateau" my ass.

And you are a poseur.

Either you quote Hitler out if sheer ignorance of how what he and Scheer did with the likes of AG Bayer, Krupp and the rest who actually financed the Reich or you chose to make a point out of linking him with Socialism.

The latter part of your statement confirms the former, since Nazism was developed and flourished out of the same ethic that still drives the conservative establishment in the US today - an abiding hated of Boleshevism and a fear of it's spread.

If you pretend to understand history take that 2nd course at the community college and STFU.
 
2013-07-29 12:02:52 AM  

TotesCrayCray: The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

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http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png


He looks like a LaRoucher. At least that's who has those signs here in Seattle
 
2013-07-29 12:04:17 AM  

mbillips: The definition of socialism levied against Obama is a fantasy of mouth-breathing idiots who wouldn't know an economic fact if it bit them on the penis.


Objection, Your Honor.  Assumes organs not in evidence.
 
2013-07-29 12:04:30 AM  
Alright, let me try that again with non-shiatty scans.

http://i.imgur.com/Fv6aTgo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6qH9ypM.jpg
 
2013-07-29 12:05:37 AM  

Slartibartfaster: NAZI is national socialist


And the Moral Majority was both of those things and the Holy Roman Empire was all three.
 
2013-07-29 12:08:18 AM  

TotesCrayCray: The anti-Obama and Nazi talk reminds me of something. There's a guy that I've seen in and around my area a few times. He wears a large sign on his front that says "IMPEACH OBAMA" and has a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

I was driving my one day and decided to finally see what he was handing out to people. It's lulzy. Here's the scans of it.

[i.imgur.com image 719x411]

http://i.imgur.com/xpiTCpQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/XGxLhMG.png


Knew that was one of the LaRouche douche crowd before opening the links. The guys does the same thing when he goes on vacation. Was down in Destin a couple months ago and spent his entire Florida panhandle vacation hanging out at the Destin post office with a buddy holding the same sign. Even sadder, he got a lot of car honking support from the local yokels because of his Hitler Fartbongo patriotism. You can't fix stupid.
 
2013-07-29 12:11:25 AM  
Dahnkster: Knew that was one of the LaRouche douche crowd before opening the links. The guys does the same thing when he goes on vacation. Was down in Destin a couple months ago and spent his entire Florida panhandle vacation hanging out at the Destin post office with a buddy holding the same sign. Even sadder, he got a lot of car honking support from the local yokels because of his Hitler Fartbongo patriotism. You can't fix stupid.

I've seen someone with that sign, or something similar, handing out papers in Illinois.
 
2013-07-29 12:12:48 AM  
 
2013-07-29 12:14:00 AM  

gobstopping: The Wash DC Holocaust museum has Nazi memorabilia, and a Canadian war museum has Adolf Hitler's personal car on display. I've known a few old timers who picked up a few 'memorabilia' items when they were fighting the Nazis in WWII. Parts of the Berlin wall rest in NYC as a reminder, and parts of the WTC buildings were made into memorials all over the counrty. No Glenn Beck fan here, but how is collecting historical items or displaying them equal to agreeing with what they stood for?


People are not troubled because he collects Nazi memorabilia; they are troubled because of specific memorabilia items.  Letters from Göring to Heydrich advising him to work on a solution to the "Jewish problem"?  Put that in an archive; it's evidence of intent.  Heydrich's orders to commence  Operation Reinhard?  Evidence of intention and action to murder millions; save that too.  The world needs that kind of proof.  Photos of the constructed deatrh camps, and the physical infrastructure of the camps themselves?  Preserve that; it's part of the chain of evidence.

But Hitler's bloody handkerchief?  Göring's love letters?  Unless you can tie that to a film or photograph where Hitler used the hankie, or Göring's letters discuss some of the operational details of the war, government, etc... those are odd mementoes to hang on to.

A British store that sells wargaming miniatures has put some of Lord Nelson's letters (including letters to his mistress) up on the web.  You will not be surprised to learn that a line of miniature sailing ships is one of the store's marquee items.  What's Glenn Beck hocking that ties, in however tenuous a way, to the romantic life of Hermann Göring?  Or Hitler's nosebleeds?

I believe it's important to show the ordinary side of history's monsters, so that we understand that to their contemporaries and collaborators, these monsters did not appear to be obvious lunatics.  In so doing we may further understand that any man or woman in the world today could command similar respect and obedience, and use it to equally murderous ends--and that it might not be immediately obvious how horrifying it will turn out.  If one wants to preserve Hitler's bloody hanky, give it to a museum or organisation dedicated to examining and illuminating that era, so that it can be of some good to the world.  Hiding it in your private stash isn't exactly a marker of evil, but it will raise a shiatstorm of uncomplimentary speculation.  And it doesn't say much for a) one's abilities as an historian and b) one's intent in retaining them if he can't be bothered to give the artifacts some context.
 
2013-07-29 12:27:52 AM  

Fjornir: Beck: Tomorrow, I meet Sarah Palin and family for the first time. I'm actually a little nervous - as she is one of the only people that I can see that can possibly lead us out of where we are. I don't know yet if she's strong enough, if she's well enough advised, or if she knows she can no longer trust anyone...

[test.axisofweevil.com image 300x315]


/briefly scans the thread for references to... umm... fnord. Today the solar system, tomorrow Equestria.

i.imgur.com

I'm just sayin' that if someone comes up to you and asks "Are you Mitch McConnell?", you must reply, "You bet your sweet plot I am."
 
2013-07-29 12:32:45 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.


its really really creepy.
 
2013-07-29 12:32:50 AM  

Thurston Howell: People are not troubled because he collects Nazi memorabilia; they are troubled because of specific memorabilia items.  Letters from Göring to Heydrich advising him to work on a solution to the "Jewish problem"?  Put that in an archive; it's evidence of intent.  Heydrich's orders to commence  Operation Reinhard?  Evidence of intention and action to murder millions; save that too.  The world needs that kind of proof.  Photos of the constructed deatrh camps, and the physical infrastructure of the camps themselves?  Preserve that; it's part of the chain of evidence.


Point of clarification:  These things are not, to my knowledge, part of the exhibit.  I phrased this section inelegantly.  If Beck had such items, we would more readily understand the significance and importance.  It's harder to understand the significance of purely personal items (hanky, love letters) that shed no new light on the personalities or actions of the original owners.  ie. the historical record has not indicated to this point that Göring never loved his wife, or that Hitler never used a handkerchief.
 
2013-07-29 12:33:02 AM  
Wait, what? The guy who has Nazi Tourette's Syndrome actually collects Nazi memorabilia?

The hell you say!

/LB: "Glenn Beck plays "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except there's just one degree and Kevin Bacon is Hitler"
 
2013-07-29 12:42:33 AM  

hardinparamedic: Mikey1969: I'm sure he was trying to be funny. Get the sand out of your vagina and try his post again.


So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?
 
2013-07-29 12:42:38 AM  

kokomo61: Dwight_Yeast: staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.

[www.mullocksauctions.co.uk image 850x1170]

Is that Dean Wormer?




That's what I thought.
 
2013-07-29 12:45:41 AM  

Mikey1969: So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?


Did you ever start to get that feeling you were trolled?

It should be setting in here as soon as you finish reading this sentence.

/hint: Stop taking people so seriously. Especially on FARK.
 
2013-07-29 12:57:07 AM  
I HATE Glenn Beck but I have to say that the article was piss poor. The author was definitely using his Jump to Conclusions mat when he wrote that POS.

Does that drivel actually pass as journalism? If it does, that's just sad...
 
2013-07-29 01:00:44 AM  
Christ on a cracker even for Beck this is farked up.
 
2013-07-29 01:03:26 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.
 
2013-07-29 01:05:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: Mikey1969: So you're saying this to the person who DIDN'T overreact?

Yeah, that makes very little sense, but maybe you're new to Fark, or on some really biatchin' meds, who knows?

Did you ever start to get that feeling you were trolled?

It should be setting in here as soon as you finish reading this sentence.

/hint: Stop taking people so seriously. Especially on FARK.


So what you're saying is that our are enough of a lower to troll, and then you need the attention so badly that you feel the need to broadcast it? You should get a dog, they give attention for free, and you don't come across as a moron.

Then again, if you're just thread jacking, you should just wander off and wait until someone calls on you, because you are once again pinging real high on the attention whore meter...
 
2013-07-29 01:06:02 AM  

archichris: Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.


Where did you get that? No one wants them destroyed. It's odd to have things like Hitler blood on a hankie. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-29 01:07:53 AM  
Didn't read the thread. Has anyone suggested that maybe he stole Obama's time machine and used it to bring hitler back to 1979, get him a sex change, then murder him in 1980?

Love that autocorrect capitalized Obama but not hitler.
 
2013-07-29 01:12:41 AM  

sethen320: I HATE Glenn Beck but I have to say that the article was piss poor. The author was definitely using his Jump to Conclusions mat when he wrote that POS.

Does that drivel actually pass as journalism? If it does, that's just sad...


Yeah, that was pretty weak writing, I agree. The whole thing could still have been written using the same conclusions, but it was written like it was a 7th grade English paper... Sure, the woman is pissed, and she has every right to be, but nobody is going to take a journalist seriously who can't paste 10 paragraphs together into a single story. This has aspirations to become a first draft some day...
 
2013-07-29 01:17:47 AM  
 
2013-07-29 01:18:48 AM  

archichris: Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

He does. I am by no means a regular listener....because unlike most Farkers I work 60 hours a week on my own company. .... but I've heard the various Beck-isms about these historical items.

The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......

But she doesnt bother, because its so much easier and suits her purpose perfectly to simply imply horrible things about the entire affair.

Becks group may indeed have displayed them poorly, not a surprise since they try to do far to many things to do them all well, but since his audience is rabid for more beck, it hardly matters.

Progressives appear very intent on erasing the truth about historical examples of their thinking, so maybe it isnt surprising they want Nazi artifacts destroyed.


So since she lost relatives in the Holocaust and finds this to be an insulting and disturbing display, it makes her a "progressive"?

And although it was the National Socialist Party, I'd say that to compare progressives to Nazis makes you a special kind of asshole. Regardless of the title used, the only analog to the Nazis that exists in today's world is the Neo Nazi skinheads, and even they aren't much like the original Nazis. It also makes you the kind of person that most of us can ignore, since, by all appearances, you probably won't have anything to contribute that doesn't involve potatoes.
 
2013-07-29 01:24:31 AM  

Amos Quito: " In June 2011, Beck announced he was to be the honored with the Zionist Organization of America's 2011 Defender of Israel Award."

At ZOA dinner, Glenn Beck dishes out the pro-Israel meat

[etc]

A fine Nazi, that Glenn Beck.


A fine Catholic, that Hitler.
 
2013-07-29 01:25:54 AM  

Amos Quito: " In June 2011, Beck announced he was to be the honored with the Zionist Organization of America's 2011 Defender of Israel Award."

At ZOA dinner, Glenn Beck dishes out the pro-Israel meat

[etc]

A fine Nazi, that Glenn Beck.


Take away the Judenhass and it's still Fascism, and yes, I very much meant that capital F.
 
2013-07-29 01:30:32 AM  
Before anyone praises Mr. Historian here, I should probably remind you that he barely finished high school and never furthered his education beyond that.
 
2013-07-29 01:56:47 AM  
So, someone who publicly and very emotionally claims that the degenerates of the Cosmopolitan Elites (i.e., Liberals) are ruining the way of life the true living Real Americans. Who also vehemently argues that large corporations should be allowed to conduct their business without interference from these Elites. Who believes that we should look to the values of our historical founding fathers, and their simple societies based on things like decency, respect, and deference to the wise patricians.

And this same person privately collects love letters from Nazi commander, signed (personalised) copies of Nazi manifestos, and objects that hold Hitler's blood.

Colour me shocked.

At the expense of Godwinning this thread, the things in the first paragraph were the things Hitler wrote about in Mein Kampf.
 
2013-07-29 02:06:07 AM  
Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?
 
2013-07-29 02:14:16 AM  
ansius: ...
At the expense of Godwinning this thread...

This thread is all about the Godwinning. It's Godwinning a guy who Godwins others. Well, it's also abut whether Godwinning is appropriate.
 
2013-07-29 02:19:28 AM  

Mr. Chainsaw: If you have some Nazi Luger or knife that grandpa pulled off a dead German, that's one thing, but if you have what could be called a collection? Yeah, you need help. Don't give me that "preserving history" crap. If you want to preserve history, give it to a museum.


In college history had classmate give a talk where he retold a story of his grandfather who was a medic in WWII.  They guys brought in a wounded German Officer, and he started patching him up.  At one point there wasn't anyone else but the two of them when the officer reached into his coat and pulled out his service pistol and handed it to his grandfather and started crying.  He'd intended to wait for the right moment and got out with a bang and take a few GI's with him. But everyone had been too nice to him. Classmate showed us the officers pistol and passed it around.
 
2013-07-29 02:22:37 AM  

atomic-age: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

I agree, plus, who wants the autograph of someone they opposite of admire? I'm going out on a limb and saying he does admit Hitler.


Any answer other than "my grandfather brought this back from World War II" and I'm going to think you're a farking weirdo.

I met a lot of dudes who collected Nazi shiat, or always played Nazis in LARP or video games.  Eventually, the "What?  I think this shiat is cool" starts to turn into "Well, the average soldier was just fighting for his country" turns into "The Waffen SS was just elite troops.  It would be like joining the Rangers today.  I respect that."  turns into "You know, if they had just invaded the USSR, think of all the problems they would have prevented" turns into "Auschwitz wasn't much different than Manzanar.  It's just being on a defensive footing meant they had problems getting food and medicine to the camps."  to "God, I bet Hitler's testicles would feel wonderful in my mouth."
 
2013-07-29 02:28:36 AM  
I have no problem with people collecting that shiat, it's a fascinating bit of history. But I'm sure he's just collecting and studying it so he can godwin the Obama presidency and explain the *similarities* to a bunch of A.M. radio idiots. "and the brownshirts and Van Jones, can't you see? The time is right, buy gold now."
 
2013-07-29 02:32:51 AM  
I don't think Glenn Beck is remotely a Nazi sympathizer, I think that in his mind that whole collection made absolute sense to be making some point about America, it's just that Glenn Beck is farking nuts. It's like his crazy chalkboard charts that make perfect sense to his insane brain but look like the scrawling of a crazy person to everyone who's sane. And of course he's too batshiat insane to realize that nobody else looks at his little collection and sees the connections he's drawing without him spelling it out.

He doesn't like the Nazis, he just spends all of his time Godwinning everything.
 
2013-07-29 02:32:57 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: Does Beck also have his own Barbie museum?


Yes, but it's Klaus Barbie.
 
2013-07-29 02:36:03 AM  
FTA:  "To add insult to injury, Beck's displays were met with complete apathy by the citizens of Salt Lake City."

Isn't that the best reaction to killer-worshipping crazies like Beck?  To ignore them?

/But please, Ms. Karl, get off of your "Jews were the only attempted genocide in history" high-horse.
 
2013-07-29 02:37:01 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


What sort of civil rights memorabilia would be acceptable?  The nozzle from one of the fire hoses used in Selma?  The bloody shredded pants from the guy being attacked by dogs in that famous photo?  How about the handcuffs they put on Rosa Parks?
 
2013-07-29 02:37:37 AM  
I'm sure he has a keen interest in history.  And I'd even concede that he is probably not some comical closet Nazi.

But if you ever happen to let slip that you have something like an Official Führer Hankie with Adolf's Bloody Boogers on it, you have to know that 9 out of 10 people are going to ask why.

It doesn't have to be a scholarly explanation.  It doesn't have to any more complex than "Here's this thing I bought at a garage sale last weekend, and I'm keeping it: for the lulz / because's it's macabre and nobody else has one / because only I can keep it safe from the crazy bastards who want to clone Hitler / because I'm going to have it DNA tested to see if it's really a Hitler Loogie / because I think having a travelling freakshow will increase sales / because it reminds me of the terrible suffering nosebleeds, Nazis and handkerchiefs can cause."

Or you can say nothing and let your opponents call you a Nazi worshipper.
 
2013-07-29 02:38:19 AM  

WordsnCollision: grokca: brainiac-dumdum: a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler's blood.

That's almost more like a relic (using the "body parts of saints kept for reasons of worship" definition) than memorabilia.

Obviously plans on cloning Hitler. His plan all started in 1990 but he needed a body, preferably one that had been violated.


Sleeper?
Funny farking movie.
IMHO, the more we pay attention to this f0cktard, is the more we make his syphilitic rantings valid in the minds of the dullards who believe the shiat he spews.
 
2013-07-29 02:45:05 AM  

LordJiro: Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?


Shhhhhhhh! you are only validating his view that democrats are evil...
/werdz n laybulls is hard to unterstand teh true meenings
 
2013-07-29 02:45:07 AM  

A Terrible Human: Christ on a cracker even for Beck this is farked up.


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Agreed.
 
2013-07-29 02:52:56 AM  

rynthetyn: I don't think Glenn Beck is remotely a Nazi sympathizer, I think that in his mind that whole collection made absolute sense to be making some point about America, it's just that Glenn Beck is farking nuts. It's like his crazy chalkboard charts that make perfect sense to his insane brain but look like the scrawling of a crazy person to everyone who's sane. And of course he's too batshiat insane to realize that nobody else looks at his little collection and sees the connections he's drawing without him spelling it out.

He doesn't like the Nazis, he just spends all of his time Godwinning everything.


Eh...I'm not entirely sure. I mean; agreed, I don't think he's a Nazi sympathizer, per se. But, if you ever listen to him talk about history (and, god save me, I've listened to more than I ever wanted to), it's clear that he worships at the alter of the "Great Man." There is a genuine admiration and sympathy that comes out when he talks about the outsized individuals who shaped history -- in whatever direction.

Personally, I think it's just simple megalomania on his part. I believe he genuinely thinks of himself as one of those "Great Men," and whether he identifies with these other figures as friends or foes, it is certainly a kind of "peer" relationship. It doesn't shock me in the slightest that he'd be collecting the personal effects of Nazi leaders, regardless whatever rationalization he wants to slather on top of his little hobby.
 
2013-07-29 02:54:17 AM  
Pretty soon Beck will plan his daughter's wedding, probably having the servers dress up in snappy suits and shiny shoes, maybe some patriotic banners around the reception hall, and have all the gays and libs wear little pieces of flair...
 
2013-07-29 02:54:29 AM  

Mikey1969: jtown: The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Bull.  shiat.

How do you explain history without having any of the symbols to show?  There's a heck of a difference between seeing 3x2" black and white picture in a history book and seeing the actual objects created by a culture of insanity.  Owning such an object does not mean the owner automatically accepts and extols the ideals of the object's creator(s).  The objects can serve as a reminder and a warning of what can happen if you let someone like Hitler remain in power.

I'm not saying Glenn Beck doesn't dress up in an SS uniform and choke himself while he jerks off but simply owning those objects doesn't mean he does.

Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.


One does wonder: if you're the sort who would own Hitler's bloody handkerchief, wouldn't you also be the sort who might, in a moment of curiosity and weakness, kiss it? And if it were me, if I were the sort to own Hitler's bloody handkerchief--and let me be clear that I'm not--, and the sort to kiss it, I would also be of the mind to taste the bloodspot.
 
2013-07-29 03:12:28 AM  

Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3: More whining from the left. Who gives a fark

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant



    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

 
2013-07-29 03:15:36 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky frankly neo-Nazi direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.


FTFY, and unfortunately not joking--especially if one is aware of Nazi imagery regarding the so-called "Blood Flag" (Cliff's Notes version: the Blood Flag was an early Nazi flag that was flown during the failed Beer Hall Putsch that ended up being soaked in the blood of Nazis shot dead by the Munich police; when the Nazis actually got control back of Germany, the Blood Flag ended up being essentially a national cult symbol/totem that was used for dedication of Nazi functions and flags).  Knowing the general symbolism of blood imagery and the Blood Flag, I'd not be a damned bit shocked to see almost identical imagery concerning handkerchiefs soaked with Hitler's blood as a sort of neo-Nazi "Blood Flag" (as the original Blood Flag is generally thought to have been destroyed at the end of World War II).

The signed "Mein Kampf" and the Goring love-letters are creepy enough, the "Bitsy Hitler Bloodkerchief" pretty much all but throws that into de facto neo-Nazi shrine territory, however.  (Which is particularly disturbing to me, as it was in conjunction with a known display by dominionist (and NARasite, specifically) American-historical-revisionist David Barton (who generally promotes a view of history that, well, rather more resembles the official state propoganda promoted by Comstock's Columbia in Bioshock: Infinite than actual American history); it does give a worrisome possibility that dominionists (and their own versions of historical revisionism--not just "American religionationalist historical revisionism" but some particularly nasty forms of Holocaust denialism/Holocaust revisionism targeting LGBT people) may be mixing with or trying to recruit from the sorts of folks who WOULD revere Hitler's Bloodkerchief as a new Blood Flag...)
 
2013-07-29 03:18:28 AM  
This thread reminds me of why I love it hear and need to go total fark pronto.  Absolutely hilarious and wide ranging opinions on display.

Honestly, if it was anyone else and they had less personal items of these monsters then it wouldn't seem so douchey.  I mean, if it was a flag, some military gear or propaganda posters I wouldn't bat an eye.  The personal nature of the items he has chosen to collect and then display is what makes it seem so seedy.  How a blood soaked handkerchief is historically signifigant in any way is beyond me.  Most of these items do nothing to educate people as to who Hitler and his henchmen were and what they did to so many.  Yet this is exactly what he says its supposed to do.  For me its hard to justify this in any way from an historical perspective.
 
2013-07-29 03:18:33 AM  

Bumblefark: Eh...I'm not entirely sure. I mean; agreed, I don't think he's a Nazi sympathizer, per se. But, if you ever listen to him talk about history (and, god save me, I've listened to more than I ever wanted to), it's clear that he worships at the alter of the "Great Man." There is a genuine admiration and sympathy that comes out when he talks about the outsized individuals who shaped history -- in whatever direction.

Personally, I think it's just simple megalomania on his part. I believe he genuinely thinks of himself as one of those "Great Men," and whether he identifies with these other figures as friends or foes, it is certainly a kind of "peer" relationship.

bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com

Approves.

/Worst Bond villain ever.
//Does this mean Timothy Dalton needs his own talk radio show?
 
2013-07-29 03:26:36 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: Mikey1969: Yeah, but the "bloody handkerchief" takes it all into a decidedly freaky frankly neo-Nazi direction. If he wanted something that had touched Hitler specifically as a part of his collection, he could have stopped at the signed copy of Mein Kampf.

FTFY, and unfortunately not joking--especially if one is aware of Nazi imagery regarding the so-called "Blood Flag" (Cliff's Notes version: the Blood Flag was an early Nazi flag that was flown during the failed Beer Hall Putsch that ended up being soaked in the blood of Nazis shot dead by the Munich police; when the Nazis actually got control back of Germany, the Blood Flag ended up being essentially a national cult symbol/totem that was used for dedication of Nazi functions and flags).  Knowing the general symbolism of blood imagery and the Blood Flag, I'd not be a damned bit shocked to see almost identical imagery concerning handkerchiefs soaked with Hitler's blood as a sort of neo-Nazi "Blood Flag" (as the original Blood Flag is generally thought to have been destroyed at the end of World War II).

The signed "Mein Kampf" and the Goring love-letters are creepy enough, the "Bitsy Hitler Bloodkerchief" pretty much all but throws that into de facto neo-Nazi shrine territory, however.  (Which is particularly disturbing to me, as it was in conjunction with a known display by dominionist (and NARasite, specifically) American-historical-revisionist David Barton (who generally promotes a view of history that, well, rather more resembles the official state propoganda promoted by Comstock's Columbia in Bioshock: Infinite than actual American history); it does give a worrisome possibility that dominionists (and their own versions of historical revisionism--not just "American religionationalist historical revisionism" but some particularly nasty forms of Holocaust denialism/Holocaust revisionism targeting LGBT people) may be mixing with or trying to recruit from the sorts of folks who WOULD revere Hitler's Bloodkerchief a ...


Isn't The Family a fan of Mein Kampf because they like how Hitler was a strong leader and think that if only he believed the right things he would have been great?
 
2013-07-29 03:29:51 AM  

A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?


I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.

I don't mean that in a "try walking in  their shoes for a while, man!" kind of way, or to mean that the people we label as "evil" are really just misunderstood and we should try making friends with them like in some sappy after-school special.  The problem, though, is that we tend to portray the monsters of our history as, well, monsters - creatures too base to even be considered human, who were pure evil and nothing else.  Thinking of them in such terms makes it harder for people to consider that their own preferred politician could try to lead them in a similar direction.  We tend to think of evil people as being blatantly, almost cartoonishly evil, like Snidely Whiplash.  We do need to remember that evil can be obscured beneath normal, everyday things like a passion for painting or a sincere, heartfelt love letter.

On a rather different, but still WWII-related note, I figure there are enough military history buffs in this thread to maybe give me a bit of advice.  My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told her when she was younger.  I don't even know Grampa's unit number or what rank he held.  How would I go about learning more?  I never got to know the man himself, but I'd like to at least know more of his story.
 
2013-07-29 03:43:12 AM  

Lachwen: I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.


I agree with that, entirely. But, the love letters belong in a public archive, and Hitler's snot rag belongs in the trash. Individuals who make a personal hobby of collecting such things are rightfully viewed with some suspicion. Odds are, their interests in such artifacts are not purely antiquarian...
 
2013-07-29 03:44:56 AM  

Lachwen: A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?

I was going to make a joke about someone with your handle wondering who in the world might write love letters to a Nazi, but then I realized that this sort of reaction is why it might actually be important to keep those letters and, yes, display them:

We need to remember that evil people are still human.

I don't mean that in a "try walking in  their shoes for a while, man!" kind of way, or to mean that the people we label as "evil" are really just misunderstood and we should try making friends with them like in some sappy after-school special.  The problem, though, is that we tend to portray the monsters of our history as, well, monsters - creatures too base to even be considered human, who were pure evil and nothing else.  Thinking of them in such terms makes it harder for people to consider that their own preferred politician could try to lead them in a similar direction.  We tend to think of evil people as being blatantly, almost cartoonishly evil, like Snidely Whiplash.  We do need to remember that evil can be obscured beneath normal, everyday things like a passion for painting or a sincere, heartfelt love letter.


The movie "Downfall" is best known on the Internet for the Hitler reaction me memes but the reason it's a great movie and was incredibly controversial when it was released is because it does just that--show the Nazi leadership as human. People prefer their evil as cartoon villains but that film did a brilliant job of humanizing Hitler and forcing the viewer to face the fact that humanity is capable of such evil.
 
2013-07-29 03:45:24 AM  

rynthetyn: Isn't The Family a fan of Mein Kampf because they like how Hitler was a strong leader and think that if only he believed the right things he would have been great?


Not just that--Rick Warren (and, for that matter, C. Peter Wagner himself--aka Papa NARasite Himself) have outright stated that the Hitlerjugend (and in fact the entire personality cult re Hitler) as well as the Cultural Revolution (and in fact the entire personality cult re Mao Zedong) are explicit models for both how dominionist groups should organise themselves and the general level of zeal and totalitarianism that they should promote.

There really, truly is a disturbing amount of admiration for totalitarian revolutionary movements in dominionist groups in general (the dominionist group formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ--which recently renamed itself to Cru when a lot of press started coming out how they were dominionist religionationalists, how they used a lot of coercive tactics in both recruitment and keeping members, and how they were putting out a surprising amount of anti-DNC pro-dominionist propoganda disguised as "documentaries"--has in their literature explicitly held up Bolshevik "People's Revolutionary Cells" (basically the apartment-level soviets of six to twelve people that were the basis of Leninist revolutionary groups and people's soviets in general) as the direct inspiration for their cell-church-based organisational model; in fact, pretty much MOST NARasite groups that use "cell churches" or "discipling and shepherding" ultimately credit Leninist and Maoist "People's Revolutionary Cells" for the idea for their OWN coercive cell groups (and there is a definite body of research that strongly suggests that the "big brother"-ish cell structure--whether it is in the form of Amway IBOs and similar MLM "business motivational" setups, dominionist "cell churches", or the "People's Revolutionary Cells" sort of neighbourhood-cells that still exist in North Korea and existed during the Cultural Revolution in China--that pyramidal cell-group structures are inherently coercive and capable of causing psychological harm and frank psychiatric injuries)...right down to the use of cell-church-structured wolf-in-sheep's-clothing "lay ministries" by the Institute for Religion and Democracy and FGBMFI to infiltrate mainline (and non-neopentecostal, in the case of FGBMFI) churches to convert them to dominionism from within.)
 
2013-07-29 03:45:50 AM  

Lachwen:My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told h ...


National Personal Records Centre, Military Personnel Records--holds US service records from the Great War to present.  This is the place that you seek.

 
2013-07-29 03:49:51 AM  
Ooops... National Personnel Records Centre... I blame autocorrect.  And the lateness of the hour.  Well you get the idea.
 
2013-07-29 04:00:06 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


And Hermann Göring's love letters are accomplishing this?

This isn't a museum, and these items aren't presented in any context. It's a farking freak show exhibit.

While I'm explaining context, here's some more: imagine if, say, one of the hosts of an MSNBC show had an exhibit of his collection of Lenin and Stalin memorabilia. Want to guess how Fox News would react?
 
2013-07-29 04:09:08 AM  

archichris: The author of the piece is completely insipid. She(?) wonders so many things that could be easily explained if she contacted becks people. The reason for the exhibit, the reason beck collects examples of the worst of humanity etc......


Here's the part where context makes all the difference:

FTA: "from the personal collection of David Barton "

Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that this is the same David Barton who is a holocaust denier and has given a few speeches to Christian Identity groups, who have heaped praise on him.

Mein gott, how could we possibly think Beck is being a racist and an idiot?
 
2013-07-29 04:09:25 AM  

Thurston Howell: Lachwen:My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told h ...
National Personal Records Centre, Military Personnel Records--holds US service records from the Great War to present.  This is the place that you seek.


Thank you.
 
2013-07-29 04:14:51 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Detectives have speculated that the rape and murder happened in the attic after an Anne Frank role playing fetish went terribly awry.


Poor girl didn't see it coming. Or hear it...
 
2013-07-29 04:21:35 AM  
This just in: Glenn Beck is an attention-whoring troll with all the credibility of a rodeo clown. Film at 11.
 
2013-07-29 04:31:00 AM  

MisterRonbo: Here's the part where context makes all the difference:

FTA: "from the personal collection of David Barton "

Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that this is the same David Barton who is a holocaust denier and has given a few speeches to Christian Identity groups, who have heaped praise on him.

Mein gott, how could we possibly think Beck is being a racist and an idiot?


Barton's artifacts were part of the Americana/Revolutionary War exhibit.  They are probably selected and intended to convey his message of Christian nationalism.

According to the author, the Nazi stuff comes from Beck's personal collection.

Now I don't put much stock in unprovable assertions of a vast dominionist conspiracy, and guilt by association is a largely fruitless ad hominem.  But more definitive symbolic associations like the Blutfahne are hard to ignore, and (to my mind) almost impossible to explain as mere coincidence.  That is much firmer ground.
 
2013-07-29 05:19:07 AM  
This should be the point where media outlets start asking highly specific questions, since (as the Great Porn Dragon has pointed out), that exhibit is a de facto neo-Nazi shrine.  All the other Hitler memorabilia (cars, uniforms, footie pajamas, etc) don't directly evoke the symbolism of the NSDAP's foundational myth (a.k.a the Beer Hall Putsch).  But this one piece of memorabilia is a little too heavily laden with symbolism.

So I think would be fair to start asking about the provenance of the BlutSchnozzenrag, and why exactly anyone with half a brain would want to put this thing on tour.  Even if one owned it with entirely innocent purposes (ie. to blow your own nose and defile the sacred relic), you'd have to be concerned about every skinhead and white power nutjob within a thousand miles coming to steal the thing from you and/or putting your life at risk until you turned it over to them.

This thing needs to go into the incinerator, or it needs to get locked up in a secure facility until such time as Paramount launches Clone Hitler into space so that there will be a villain for the next Star Trek movie.
 
2013-07-29 05:30:03 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


This.

Thank you.
 
2013-07-29 05:54:07 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


To be fair, nothing will stop people from repeating the past, as has been illustrated by every(?) leader/government in history. But, yeah, I'm in favor of saving whatever evidence we can of atrocities, whenever possible, that we can occasionally know what was done in the past when people start doing the same thing again.

/unfortunately, evidence tends to get destroyed
 
2013-07-29 06:02:08 AM  

remus: So, let me get this straight, some people believe all these artifacts should be destroyed and completely forgotten about?  Yes, let's forget history so that we can repeat it.  It's GOOD to keep these artifacts and display them.  We NEED to be reminded about these horrors so that we can learn a lesson.  There is a group of people who deny the whole thing even happened.  If we get rid of these things, then how do we prove they are crazy and not correct?  How do we remind our children of it to let them know not to repeat it?


The problem is not that people want artifacts and historical works for remembrance. The problem is that people seem to want these in some cases because Hitler was a "swell guy" with some really good ideas to them. You have to remember, as well, that before the Invasion of France and Pearl Harbor, Hitler was a pretty popular guy in the United States, and the US ascribed to the same eugenics theories he did.

CowardlyLion: To be fair, nothing will stop people from repeating the past, as has been illustrated by every(?) leader/government in history. But, yeah, I'm in favor of saving whatever evidence we can of atrocities, whenever possible, that we can occasionally know what was done in the past when people start doing the same thing again.

/unfortunately, evidence tends to get destroyed


We also need to make it known that the world will not tolerate industrialized genocide like the Nazis developed. And that the cost of doing such to the perpetrators will be far in excess of the harm they inflict on others.
 
2013-07-29 06:25:00 AM  
Things like autographed copies of Mein Kampf/Hermann Goering's love letters must have investment potential in them, or Beck would have bought gold instead of them.  Follow the money.
 
2013-07-29 07:13:10 AM  

hardinparamedic: We also need to make it known that the world will not tolerate industrialized genocide like the Nazis developed. And that the cost of doing such to the perpetrators will be far in excess of the harm they inflict on others.


I love the notion, but I don't believe there's anyone, any government, or any group or institution to actually uphold that kind of ideal. Although I'd expand it to just say that, killing, torturing, kidnapping, otherwise causing deliberate and unnecessary harm to any human being is wholly unacceptable and should never be condoned or tolerated, whether done by an individual, mob, or organized government/military.

Also, unfortunately(?), I don't think there's anything you can do to a person to someone who has killed other humans that is in excess of the harm he has already done (sure you could kill him, but then you're a murderer, too, and he's still only died once).
 
2013-07-29 07:14:29 AM  

Lachwen: On a rather different, but still WWII-related note, I figure there are enough military history buffs in this thread to maybe give me a bit of advice.  My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told her when she was younger.  I don't even know Grampa's unit number or what rank he held.  How would I go about learning more?  I never got to know the man himself, but I'd like to at least know more of his story.  ...


I'd contact the Army. You'll need your grandfather's full name, social security number, and the unit you think he was assigned to. They've got the ability to search their records for that sort of information. It will probably take time- all that stuff is either still in hard copy or in microfiche.

Once you have confirmation of the precise unit, you could perform an internet search for a veteran's organization for that unit.
 
2013-07-29 07:15:41 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: hardinparamedic: stonelotus: still better than being a brony.

At the point you consider being a paranoid, right-winged neo-nazi who is thinly veiled as an entertainer better than being a member of a cartoon fandom, I don't think it's that fandom that needs to reevaluate their lives.

At least the Nazis were snappy dressers. On the other side, we have this:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

Min you, we also apparently have this:

(Perhaps NSFW)
So I guess it's a tossup.


let's be honest.  when it comes to style, Hugo Boss will always be > Hasbro
 
2013-07-29 07:59:53 AM  
I doubt Hitler's is the only DNA on that handkerchief.
 
2013-07-29 08:29:57 AM  

Mugato: That's what conservatives actually believe. Except when they don't.


wtf makes you think Im a "conservative" ?

// hell of an assumption
 
2013-07-29 08:34:13 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Slartibartfaster: NAZI is national socialist

And the Moral Majority was both of those things and the Holy Roman Empire was all three.


Im aware it was a misnomer, I just defined the word

// lives in the "peoples republic" of China
// used to live in the "United" states of America
 
2013-07-29 08:35:50 AM  

Aar1012: dj_bigbird: I don't have a Nazi captain obvious
[www.andyandnoreen.com image 406x541]


Ein Winrar bist du!
 
2013-07-29 08:37:35 AM  

ficklefkrfark: Shhhhhhhh! you are only validating his view that democrats are evil...


Hell of an assumption

For what its worth, Im left of the left of both chicken shiat American political parties
Theyre not visibly different from an outsiders perspective

// America - DIVIDED AND CONQUERED
 
2013-07-29 08:58:09 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: LordOfThePings: staplermofo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?

I did kinda picture him as the kind of guy who'd have a Frederik Willem de Klerk statue in his study.

I heard he has the world's largest Gobot collection.

I thought it was Beanie Babies.


I figured him more for the Obscenie line. I heard Scrotilla the Hun was his favorite.

/Yes. That is a thing.
 
2013-07-29 09:37:43 AM  
My grandfather f'd up a nazi or 2 and took their stuff, so my family currently has quite a bit of that sort of thing.  Does that make us bad people too?
 
2013-07-29 09:41:40 AM  
Sgt Otter
Slartibartfaster: OnlyM3:
More whining from the left. Who gives a fark
--

NAZI is national socialist
just saying n all
cuz ya know - dont want anyone to be buttfark ignorant

--

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.


It's kinda sad how many people have heard of that Niemöller quote but apparently don't realize that those groups and the order in which they're mentioned aren't just a coincidence.

It's also telling - if not highly ironic - how often the first line with the communists isn't mentioned.
I guess with McCarthyism and the Cold War nobody spoke out because they weren't communists or too afraid to be considered communists...
 
2013-07-29 09:54:29 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: More than 70 old, most of the detritus of Germany's Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such "memorabilia" can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

Or antiques dealers, or historians, or any number of people looking to make a quick buck on things their Grandpa brought back from the War.  And it's not banned in the US, you vapid twat.  Jesus - nothing like a knee-jerk reaction to look all responsible and mature about things.

That said... it doesn't strike me as at all strange that Glenn Beck collects KKK robes and Nazi banners.  Nor does it surprise me that he chose a semi-theocracy within the US as the best place to display them.  Seriously - you guys expect he collects Civil Rights memorabilia or something?


Pretty much this.   Glenn Beck's an asshole, but so is this author.
 
2013-07-29 10:02:45 AM  

Thurston Howell: Lachwen:My maternal grandfather served in the Signal Corps in WWII.  I know his unit was attached to the Seventh Army, that he was first sent to the African front and then went north through Italy, and that he was at Dachau immediately after the liberation (his unit was given the task of dealing with the survivors - according to my mother, upon returning home Grampa told Gramma about what he saw at Dachau once, and then never spoke about it again).  But that's all I know, and even that may not all be accurate; Grampa died when I was three, and Gramma died a few years ago, so all I know is what my mom can remember of what Gramma told h ...
National Personal Records Centre, Military Personnel Records--holds US service records from the Great War to present.  This is the place that you seek.


Just to add to this, there may be a slight problem. There was a fire at the NPRC in the early 70s, in which many of the the records prior to that time were lost. Hopefully, your grandfather's may not have been among them.
 
2013-07-29 10:25:26 AM  

Lachwen: A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?

We need to remember that evil people are still human.

I don't mean that in a "try walking in  their shoes for a while, man!" kind of way, or to mean that the people we label as "evil" are really just misunderstood and we should try making friends with them like in some sappy after-school special.  The problem, though, is that we tend to portray the monsters of our history as, well, monsters - creatures too base to even be considered human, who were pure evil and nothing else.  Thinking of them in such terms makes it harder for people to consider that their own preferred politician could try to lead them in a similar direction.  We tend to think of evil people as being blatantly, almost cartoonishly evil, like Snidely Whiplash.  We do need to remember that evil can be obscured beneath normal, everyday things like a passion for painting or a sincere, heartfelt love letter.


So much THIS. To recognize the seeds of evil in ourselves, not thinking its this bogeyman that could never happen to you.

The corollary: we need to stop deifying heroes.  I cringe every time the wingnuts bring up the Founding Fathers as if they were God's angels who could do no wrong. Many made mistakes (slaveowning being the worst) and they certainly put their pants on one leg at a time.  Kids grow up thinking they could never do anything as as amazing as what historical figures did, because they're never given a clear picture of who those people really were and what they really struggled with and what they got wrong.
 
2013-07-29 11:09:38 AM  

Speef: I am really impressed by the bit where Hitler-fanboys raising comments is "left wing whining".  Whatever group you identify with must be exceptionally proud to have you as a fellow member.

HEAR ME, VILE THREAD!
THE POWER OF FARK COMPELS YOU!
I BANISH THEE BACK TO THE FOUL DEPTHS OF THE POLITICS TAB-
BEGONE!

/ceremony must need more hitler blood to be effective. Anyone know where I can get some?


^^^Best omment of the day
 
2013-07-29 11:19:34 AM  
Not news, does creep me as much. I'd be more creeped if I went into Obama's house and found Black Panther, Weather Underground, and Muslim Brotherhood items, instead of MLK items.
 
2013-07-29 11:28:59 AM  

Speef: ceremony must need more hitler blood to be effective. Anyone know where I can get some?


Brazil
 
2013-07-29 12:01:09 PM  

rynthetyn: The movie "Downfall" is best known on the Internet for the Hitler reaction me memes but the reason it's a great movie and was incredibly controversial when it was released is because it does just that--show the Nazi leadership as human. People prefer their evil as cartoon villains but that film did a brilliant job of humanizing Hitler and forcing the viewer to face the fact that humanity is capable of such evil.


Oh god I watched it a month or two back and I couldn't stop crying when the Goebbels's killed their kids. I mean I knew it happened but the depiction of was disturbing. Also my disbelief about Goring has to do his appearance. Lolol read his wiki he got called a high class ho by one of the other nazis.
 
2013-07-29 01:20:56 PM  

Thurston Howell: What's Glenn Beck hocking that ties, in however tenuous a way, to the romantic life of Hermann Göring?  Or Hitler's nosebleeds?


If I had to take a guess, it's that Goering and Hitler were human beings who had sex lives (blech!!) and whose noses bled. When such men have been built up even by their enemies as being so extraordinary as to be beyond human, convincing anyone that another of their like walks among us today becomes very difficult. One part of the trick is to minimize what these men did while maintaining the negative emotions toward it, build up the actions of some current person to be more than what it is, and then connect the current person's actions to the actions of the past enemy with some superficial similarities, thereby transferring the negative emotions built up toward the past enemy onto the current person. It's not the complete trick, though. We have a tendency to see people who write love letters, bleed from the nose, fart profusely or are otherwise prone to the same human traits as the rest of us as being more like us. This is why we see so many pictures of politicians playing with dogs and children, eating and drinking, or doing "normal things". Usually, that has the effect of eliciting sympathy for the humanized politician, but it can be used to bring a vaunted enemy of the past down far enough to fit into the present. I don't mean to imply that it is necessarily a bad thing to do so. These were actual people, who ate, drank, farked, and shat like the rest of us. It is far more comforting to believe men such as Goering and Hitler were monsters or demons or some other sort of anomalous creatures than it is to believe that men like them, who would do the same monstrous deeds, are out there right now.

Either that, or Beck's just randomly grabbing things he thinks are important, validating their historical importance by the collector's price tag on the objects, and showing his fan-friends the cool stuff he's got.
 
2013-07-29 01:39:49 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Newsflash re: ignorance: names are names, definitions can switch, and can be misappropriated to achieve certain goals


I did not say or imply otherwise
That was kind of my point

WHOOSH - recognize that sound ?
 
2013-07-29 03:53:15 PM  

stonelotus: still better than being a brony.


BINGO
 
2013-07-29 05:05:51 PM  

elffster: poop frosting on the vomit cake

thats not a perfect album name or anything..


But it is par behavior at the Dartmouth frat houses where the big i-banks recruit (see Rolling Stone magazine).
 
2013-07-29 05:25:50 PM  

Fade2black: HST's Dead Carcass: This doesn't surprise me at all. He has a serious fascination with Socialism and Fascism.

He either supports Socialism/Fascism, or he's a Tea Party sympathizer.  You're probably masturbating to the thought of painting him as the ultimate bad guy, but you can't have it both ways.


Posts like this demonstrate the need for a "stupid" button, but I contend there's a need for a "Freudian projection" button as well.
 
2013-07-29 05:32:37 PM  

Thurston Howell: This thing needs to go into the incinerator, or it needs to get locked up in a secure facility until such time as Paramount launches Clone Hitler into space so that there will be a villain for the next Star Trek movie.


Man.
25.media.tumblr.com
They remake EVERYTHING these days.
 
2013-07-29 07:05:47 PM  

A Terrible Human: Also ewwwwwww who the fark wrote love letters to Goring?


Someone who had a thing for cross dressing Nazis?
 
2013-07-29 08:38:45 PM  

staplermofo: I could see Glenn Beck in an old nazi jacket, the rest of the uniform strewn about his circular bed while he tries to combine masturbating and doing air guitar while staring at himself on the mirror on his ceiling.


You should probably go see if shrink if you keep having glen beck sex fantasies.
 
2013-07-29 08:43:30 PM  

Fissile: Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.


Do you happen to have a citation on that statement that does not come out of your own ass?
 
2013-07-29 10:46:55 PM  
I'm no fan of Glen Beck or of Nazis but this sounds like fascinating historical artifacts. It is entirely possible to be interested in collecting or studying something without sympathizing with what it originally stood for. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. The easiest way to create another Hitler is to forget who he was and what led up to the atrocities he committed.
 
2013-07-29 11:06:26 PM  

Eponymous: Fissile: Beck goes on about how big government sucks, while admiring Nazi Germany, which was all about centralized big government.

Do you happen to have a citation on that statement that does not come out of your own ass?


==================

Both the far left and far right in this country are as mental as mental gets. Nope, a guy who appears in public in a Nazi uniform, even if  it lacks the swastikas, doesn't admire Nazism.   Nope, no centralized government in Nazi Germany, it was the free market that put together the greatest land army since the time of Genghis Khan.

Kindly eat a bag of dicks.
 
2013-07-30 06:00:37 AM  

James10952001: I'm no fan of Glen Beck or of Nazis but this sounds like fascinating historical artifacts. It is entirely possible to be interested in collecting or studying something without sympathizing with what it originally stood for. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. The easiest way to create another Hitler is to forget who he was and what led up to the atrocities he committed.


Most memorabelia has a negative history (in that they were generally created by dominating political forces)
I collect some nazi stuff (coins - WW2 marks) but then I do the same with Roman, Chinese, Japanese, American confederation stuff, etc...)

Might not be the best idea to walk around in their uniforms though (although morally acceptable it is likely to annoy some people)... but all power to them.

// like you, NOT an admirer of Beck or the Nazis - both parties are reprehensible but not for the reason this thread is about
 
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  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

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