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(Sun Sentinel)   So, apparently parasailing isn't regulated in Florida, which explains why there are so many deaths from it   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 94
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2013-07-29 01:00:28 AM

Betep: Need (at least) a Six-Pac License to operate the boat. (Federal)
Crew has to be drug screened and over 18. (Federal)
Coast Guard inspected vessel. (Federal)

What more do you need? Federal Bureau of Parasailing?


But soshulisms and furthermore comma!
 
2013-07-29 01:01:15 AM
20 injuries and 6 deaths in 12.5 years? That's less than the death and injury rate for golf courses in Florida (there were 16 in a similar period, for those to lazy to click and read).  Clearly these death traps need tighter, government imposed, safety regulations!  You know, for the children!  And for people with law degrees who are somehow still too farking stupid to realize that being towed behind a boat hundreds of feet in the air might be dangerous.
 
2013-07-29 01:02:02 AM

Confabulat: Why is this argument making me think of Homer's Bear Patrol?


The butthurt over an increase in regulation or the pointlessness of the regulation itself?
 
2013-07-29 01:04:48 AM
Ya, thanks Subby for sending me to a site that reguires payment to read the article. Some how got your green but you suck at link submission just the same.
 
2013-07-29 01:05:10 AM
How about a requirement that each parasailing operator post a sign that says "Para sailing is not regulated by the State of Florida, parasail at your own risk."?  It could be something an existing business license inspector looks for.
 
2013-07-29 01:09:27 AM

Huck Chaser: 6 deaths in over 12 years hardly seems like something worth getting worked up about.


Wait, wait, wait ... regulated means no risk, nobody ever gets hurt and the deaths they are few when the Government Watches Over You ...

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US Air 427
 
2013-07-29 01:09:37 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Neighborhood Watch: How do you 'regulate' this kind of air sailing... and why?

Requiring injury insurance, for one. Why? So they can pay for their farkups when they fark up, and provide a financial incentive to run a safer operation.

/no-brainer


This is actually a great idea. With insurance, the free market pays for its costs. The taxpayer and insurance companies (not involved in parasailing) don't end up forking over money to subsidize other people's actions.

Also, perhaps some mandated warning of the actual risks.  If you think your risk is "float down gently to the ground maybe twisting an ankle" and it's really "slam into a building and bend the metal railings" your perception may change. Or, you might want to choose a safer boat. With some knowledge, people can make an informed decision about the amount of risk they are willing to take.
 
2013-07-29 01:10:05 AM
I'm sorry for the victims, but this is not the right time to have a national conversation about marine safety.

In the meantime, we can be sure the free market will efficiently weed out those parasail operators with the highest casualty rates, and those remaining will voluntarily adjust their practices to market pressures.
 
2013-07-29 01:18:57 AM

Clemcadidlefark: regulated means no risk


That was desperately broken and lame and perfunctorily fail even by hard-to-imagine standards that could in theory be lower than your own.
 
2013-07-29 01:39:17 AM

Huck Chaser: 6 deaths in over 12 years hardly seems like something worth getting worked up about.


No shiat. Operating a motor vehicle is government regulated and over 30,000 people in this country die every year in motor vehicle mishaps (note exclusion of the term "accident"). See where that's gotten us?
 
2013-07-29 02:00:36 AM
Great, another thread full of "You farkers probably dont have a family member that was maimed during a beaver rapin.  You basement dwelling farktards   We need to hold the beaver rape operators accountable for missing nipples and such!"

 Dont try to fly from the back of a boat piloted by a farking carnie, you will probably be ok.  God forbid you dont have someone to sue when you get farked up doing something stupid.
 
2013-07-29 02:02:00 AM
This thread is just packed with people who should not ever be allowed to compare things.
 
2013-07-29 02:05:01 AM

namatad: YAY
1 Free Market
0 Regulation Zero


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2013-07-29 02:07:16 AM

BuckTurgidson: I'm sorry for the victims, but this is not the right time to have a national conversation about marine safety.

In the meantime, we can be sure the free market will efficiently weed out those parasail operators with the highest casualty rates, and those remaining will voluntarily adjust their practices to market pressures.


I, for one, intend to make my money providing a website that gives consumers information about the parasailing providers in Florida. People who have been on them can leave reviews saying how much fun their experience was. The relatives of the deceased, maimed and crippled can also leave their own reviews. Free markets operate best when participants have access to the right information.

Rather than calling it Yelp, I will call it Yowch.
 
2013-07-29 02:12:37 AM

BuckTurgidson: Clemcadidlefark: regulated means no risk

That was desperately broken and lame and perfunctorily fail even by hard-to-imagine standards that could in theory be lower than your own.


His post? Or whatever the fark that thing was before it was a debris field?
 
2013-07-29 02:29:09 AM

Great Janitor: Yeah, because the answer to every problem is more government.  Six deaths in 12 years is one death every 24 months, so in short, safer than flying, driving, living in New York and Chicago and countless other activities.  I'd say that they are doing a damn good job at self regulation and government regulation isn't needed.


You can't really compare those odds to driving unless you account for average time spent performing the activity and number of people doing it.
 
2013-07-29 02:33:18 AM
Great Janitor : Yeah, because the answer to every problem is more government. Six deaths in 12 years is one death every 24 months, so in short, safer than flying, driving, living in New York and Chicago and countless other activities. I'd say that they are doing a damn good job at self regulation and government regulation isn't needed.

Stats tossed around like this are completely useless without a denominator.

IE, x1 people out of y1 total drivers die vs 12 out of y2 number of parasailers.

// I have avoided parasailing, it may be less dangerous than driving a car ... but it's more dangerous than skydiving, and if I'm going to go up in the air and do something dangerous, I'm going full bore.

fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-07-29 02:34:41 AM
Fyi, regulation could be as simple as "lines must be of x strength and replaced every y years" with simple documentation and the odd spot check. It doesn't have to be a massive big governmemnt conspiracy.
 
2013-07-29 03:03:15 AM

Smackledorfer: Fyi, regulation could be as simple as "lines must be of x strength and replaced every y years" with simple documentation and the odd spot check. It doesn't have to be a massive big governmemnt conspiracy.


So you're new here.  Welcome to the united states, if a toddler can choke on it or even if it just hurts to jam it up your retarded ass without lube, we simply must have a federal bureau of X to regulate it.
 
2013-07-29 03:04:11 AM
think of the children
 
2013-07-29 03:07:45 AM

ansius: BuckTurgidson: I'm sorry for the victims, but this is not the right time to have a national conversation about marine safety.

In the meantime, we can be sure the free market will efficiently weed out those parasail operators with the highest casualty rates, and those remaining will voluntarily adjust their practices to market pressures.

I, for one, intend to make my money providing a website that gives consumers information about the parasailing providers in Florida. People who have been on them can leave reviews saying how much fun their experience was. The relatives of the deceased, maimed and crippled can also leave their own reviews. Free markets operate best when participants have access to the right information.

Rather than calling it Yelp, I will call it Yowch.


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2013-07-29 05:42:43 AM

lordargent: Great Janitor : Yeah, because the answer to every problem is more government. Six deaths in 12 years is one death every 24 months, so in short, safer than flying, driving, living in New York and Chicago and countless other activities. I'd say that they are doing a damn good job at self regulation and government regulation isn't needed.

Stats tossed around like this are completely useless without a denominator.

IE, x1 people out of y1 total drivers die vs 12 out of y2 number of parasailers.

// I have avoided parasailing, it may be less dangerous than driving a car ... but it's more dangerous than skydiving, and if I'm going to go up in the air and do something dangerous, I'm going full bore.

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 494x381]


Dude, that's tandem. Not full bore. Call me when you do your first AFF and sh*t your pants. :)

/Honestly, I did piss my pants and probably would have sh*t them if I'd had a bigger dinner the previous night
//if asked about this I will deny it
 
2013-07-29 05:49:59 AM

dickfreckle: /Honestly, I did piss my pants and probably would have sh*t them if I'd had a bigger dinner the previous night
//if asked about this I will deny it


The more I think about it, it was probably because my asshole slammed shut out of pure fear. I've had it happen in near-death motorcycle incidents, where your sphincter basically harvests all the seat foam.

The good news is that once you do your first solo jump, the fear diminishes greatly. But there's always that weird feeling when they open up the door and you look down thinking, "WTF am I doing here?" Then you remember all the other testicles in the plane and figure that jumping is better than being mocked forever.
 
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2013-07-29 07:09:42 AM

BuckTurgidson: I'm sorry for the victims, but this is not the right time to have a national conversation about marine safety.



philly.barstoolsports.com
 
2013-07-29 07:41:33 AM

Smackledorfer: Fyi, regulation could be as simple as "lines must be of x strength and replaced every y years" with simple documentation and the odd spot check. It doesn't have to be a massive big governmemnt conspiracy.


this. and the coastguard can cover it during their regular vessel inspections. don't need to create a wire new agency, just give the existing agency a couple of useful rules they can enforce.
 
2013-07-29 07:49:54 AM

namatad: YAY
1  Free Market
0 Regulation Zero


Want to say lives ?
Close down black nightclubs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/e2-nightclub-stampede-wit_n _1 102038.html
 
2013-07-29 08:15:19 AM

thisisarepeat: Smackledorfer: Fyi, regulation could be as simple as "lines must be of x strength and replaced every y years" with simple documentation and the odd spot check. It doesn't have to be a massive big governmemnt conspiracy.

So you're new here.  Welcome to the united states, if a toddler can choke on it or even if it just hurts to jam it up your retarded ass without lube, we simply must have a federal bureau of X to regulate it.


Not to mention the resulting 3 tiers of management and 85 different forms.

Look, this stuff might be a problem (statistically), and there might be an easy solution, but don't count on any government to make it simple.
 
2013-07-29 08:58:30 AM

Talondel: 20 injuries and 6 deaths in 12.5 years? That's less than the death and injury rate for golf courses in Florida (there were 16 in a similar period, for those to lazy to click and read).  Clearly these death traps need tighter, government imposed, safety regulations!  You know, for the children!  And for people with law degrees who are somehow still too farking stupid to realize that being towed behind a boat hundreds of feet in the air might be dangerous.


Don't use the word "rate" if you don't know what it means. In comparing participation in each activity, consider maybe that there is a cable TV channel for golfers and none for parasailers.

/someone with a law degree who is not as farking stupid as you
 
2013-07-29 10:05:29 AM

BSABSVR: This thread is just packed with people who should not ever be allowed to compare things.


Hey, we're better than Reddit :)

/see what I did there?
 
2013-07-29 10:07:05 AM
Second part of article is behind a paywall.
 
2013-07-29 10:23:03 AM
wakeboarding is fun

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2013-07-29 10:59:42 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: wakeboarding is fun

[static.ddmcdn.com image 300x300]


And pretty harmless.
 What lasting effects or damage to the body ?

I seen tougher tactics on Fear Factor.
 
2013-07-29 11:08:11 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Jon iz teh kewl: wakeboarding is fun

[static.ddmcdn.com image 300x300]

And pretty harmless.
 What lasting effects or damage to the body ?

I seen tougher tactics on Fear Factor.




Face plants are no joke to the eyeball.

Oh, there is also, gators and or sharks, plus amoebas.

Holy hells that shiat is fun though.
 
2013-07-29 11:29:39 AM

lordargent: Great Janitor : Yeah, because the answer to every problem is more government. Six deaths in 12 years is one death every 24 months, so in short, safer than flying, driving, living in New York and Chicago and countless other activities. I'd say that they are doing a damn good job at self regulation and government regulation isn't needed.

Stats tossed around like this are completely useless without a denominator.

IE, x1 people out of y1 total drivers die vs 12 out of y2 number of parasailers.

// I have avoided parasailing, it may be less dangerous than driving a car ... but it's more dangerous than skydiving, and if I'm going to go up in the air and do something dangerous, I'm going full bore.


fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net

So, you're having teh "full bore"  ghey buttsecks while falling?
 
2013-07-29 11:30:53 AM
dickfreckle: Dude, that's tandem. Not full bore.

If I had the time and inclination, I would go up to wingsuit, but there's so many jumps for that and I have an ocean to explore as well :D
 
2013-07-29 11:39:50 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Jon iz teh kewl: wakeboarding is fun

[static.ddmcdn.com image 300x300]

And pretty harmless.
 What lasting effects or damage to the body ?

I seen tougher tactics on Fear Factor.


it makes u a Californian..  cause your a surfer..  cha
 
2013-07-29 11:40:08 AM
Tumunga (favorite: Gay dude (#7863654)) : So, you're having teh "full bore" ghey buttsecks while falling?

lordargent.com
// You're now my favorite gay dude on Fark ... but do try to keep your fantasies to yourself.
 
2013-07-29 12:27:45 PM

deevo: Don't use the word "rate" if you don't know what it means.


Hey now.  "Incidents per year" and "Incidents per capita per year" are both rates.

And if the goals of government regulation are to minimize the absolute number of incidents and to minimize program costs, the former rate may be the more relevant one to look at.

/"one parasailing fatality per year? who cares?"
 
2013-07-29 12:50:35 PM

poot_rootbeer: deevo: Don't use the word "rate" if you don't know what it means.

Hey now.  "Incidents per year" and "Incidents per capita per year" are both rates.

And if the goals of government regulation are to minimize the absolute number of incidents and to minimize program costs, the former rate may be the more relevant one to look at.

/"one parasailing fatality per year? who cares?"


This is actually a good point.  Even if 1/4 of all farksaw implementations per year results in a death (total implementations: 8; total deaths: 2), perhaps the government can spend its time regulating things that affect more people and save more lives, like fishing or lumberjacking.  Time and tax money would be spent more effectively and more lives would be saved.  Just because a rate is high doesn't mean getting the rate down is a worthy use of tax dollars and regulation efforts.
 
2013-07-29 01:24:48 PM
Friend of mine and his ex-wife went parasailing somewhere in mexico, I was questioning the safety of the entire thing when he showed me pics and video.  No harness, they were sitting on a sling and holding on for dear life! I couldn't believe it. I think the parasailing industry could learn a lot from how skydiving is regulated, proper inspections of the lines, canopy, harness etc.  Water, in particular salt water will degrade certain fabrics and fibres over time.
 
2013-07-29 02:01:03 PM

lordargent: Great Janitor : Yeah, because the answer to every problem is more government. Six deaths in 12 years is one death every 24 months, so in short, safer than flying, driving, living in New York and Chicago and countless other activities. I'd say that they are doing a damn good job at self regulation and government regulation isn't needed.

Stats tossed around like this are completely useless without a denominator.

IE, x1 people out of y1 total drivers die vs 12 out of y2 number of parasailers.

// I have avoided parasailing, it may be less dangerous than driving a car ... but it's more dangerous than skydiving, and if I'm going to go up in the air and do something dangerous, I'm going full bore.

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 494x381]


So tandem skyjumpin is full bore eh?  Thats rich.

img10.picoodle.com
 
2013-07-29 02:18:25 PM
mescalito: So tandem skyjumpin is full bore eh? Thats rich.

BASE jumping, how quaint :P

www.strategypage.com

// it's all full bore ... compared to parasailing
 
2013-07-29 03:18:44 PM

lordargent: dickfreckle: Dude, that's tandem. Not full bore.

If I had the time and inclination, I would go up to wingsuit, but there's so many jumps for that and I have an ocean to explore as well :D


The hardest part for me was trying to keep my brain from short-circuiting when it was time to monitor the altimeter. I mean, this is what you look like:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Trying to keep all of those instructor tips in your head while face-flapping at terminal velocity is even harder than it sounds. Full disclosure: I sprained my ankle on the first AFF. But yes, after you break your cherry it's a cakewalk. And fun as all hell. I look forward to your post, even if years from now, when you finally do it.
 
2013-07-29 07:11:35 PM
dickfreckle: Trying to keep all of those instructor tips in your head while face-flapping at terminal velocity is even harder than it sounds. Full disclosure: I sprained my ankle on the first AFF. But yes, after you break your cherry it's a cakewalk.

From what I understand, once you're cleared for solo jumps, the fee to go up in the plane drops to a ridiculous amount, BUT you need to do a certain amount of tandem jumps to get cleared, and all of those add up.

// I did a tandem jump in Aruba once, and I'm not sure how regulated it is there either. It was a hot day (for a tropical island), and we had to do several loops around the island to gain altitude ... they did this with the main door hanging open :P

// so many things to do, so little time, so I just dip my toe in here and there.
 
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